Another big fact for the guide!! HAHA!!!
Sasha00012
Bio-Calc exam, and I just thought I'd post the one fact that I accidentally
omitted from the "Guide", restate a few things after much input, and to correct
a few mistakes I made. (Please ignore all spelling errors. I did not edit
this.):
1. Did they, or did't they?
Ed jerse and Scully. Okay, here's my humble opinion: In the original script,
they did. But in the final version, I still say, they didn't. Keep in mind,
Morgan and pal loved to write stories that made you wonder juat what was up?
Remeber "Home" in the end when the last surviving son gets out of the trunk
where his mother lay? It was designed to intentionally make you think they had
sex, but if you watch the pre-ep interview on the commercially released tape,
Morgan or Wong (I don't remeber which one) snickers about how all he was really
doind was being comforted, and that if you read anything else into it, that was
your choice.
2. The Dance-
Post-modern or not, I am still of the opinion that the "Walking in Memphis"
dance never happened.
3. The Elevator Kiss-
I was referring to "Triangle" but I would love to get my hands on that blooper
reel someone mentioned!!
Anyhoo, I was under the impression that Scully did, in fact, kiss Skinner by
way of thanks, but that it could be argued that it never really did happen.
4. So who's in this damn closet, anyway??
Oh, fine, I'm not gonna touch this one with a 10 meter pole with pretty pink
triangles on it. It matters not one iota to me. Really. Seriously. Of course,
in my dreams, Mulder and Scully are straight as arrows, but only because 1. I'm
straight, 2. I'm a woman and therefore, 3. a hopeless romantic when it comes to
those two. But I have read some fiction involving slash and there were some I
quite enjoyed, to be honest. But non-slash fic is my preference.
5. Adjoining doors!!!! I meant adjoining doors!!!
Of course they always seem to have adjoining rooms, but has there ever
actually been an episode where they had adjoining doors? If there is, please
let me know.
AND LASTLY, one omitted fact:
6. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. . . . .
So what happened to Emily, anyway? Well, think back, no further back than
that. . . .Remember what happened to the hybrid people's bodies when they died?
The Bubbled and boiled and eventually dried up to dust. Emily's body was not
missing in the coffin. It turned to dust. If you have it on tape, watch the
scene where Scully opens her casket and slow it down. You'll see the dust lies
in the shape of a little body.
Okay, that's all for now. I just couldn't resist. And besides, I get such a
kick out of all the clever responses. Whether any of you agree with me or not,
you're all great!!
Hasta la bye-bye!
Kronos
>6. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. . . . .
> So what happened to Emily, anyway? Well, think back, no further back than
>that. . . .Remember what happened to the hybrid people's bodies when they
died?
>The Bubbled and boiled and eventually dried up to dust. Emily's body was
not
>missing in the coffin. It turned to dust. If you have it on tape, watch the
>scene where Scully opens her casket and slow it down. You'll see the dust
lies
>in the shape of a little body.
nope. totally disagree. the body wasn't there at all. what was there were
sacks of sand. burlap sacks. unfortunately, the director or whomever
caused confusion because the color of the sacks was almost exactly the same
as the sand.
sorry.
:)
christina
Sasha00012
referrence to her turning to dust at the very beginning. Her body turned to
sand.
TVOQV66
>Nope. I was confused to but watch the entire episode again. There is a
>referrence to her turning to dust at the very beginning. Her body turned to
>sand.
>
No - unlike some of your other 'facts', which are at least open to some debate
(such as the Scully/Jerse 'did they-didn't they?' scenario) I've got to go
with Kronos on this and repeat her 'nope - this is plain wrong.'
It doesn't actually matter how many times you watch this, or whether you watch
it slow, fast or standing on your head - Kronos is completely correct. The
coffin is filled with sandbags and sand spilt from those sandbags.
Scully's soliloquy re returning to dust is not a description of what she finds
in the coffin.
I'm also unsure where you get the idea that the bodies turn to dust at all. If
there is evidence of that somewhere, please someone enlighten me as I've missed
it. :)
In fact, in Colony, when Scully is unfortunate enough to step in the freshly
'melted' remains of one of the doctors, what she steps in is not dust or sand,
but a corrosive liquid that ate through her shoe.
Even if that is presumed (on what evidence I'm not sure) to eventually turn to
dust/sand, the corrosive properties of the liquid would have damaged the coffin
first, as well as which, for there to have been, as you assert, a body shape in
the coffin, Emily would have had to have been killed/died in it, which we know
is not true.
Perhaps your 'big facts' might be more accurately titled 'big opinions' <g>.
Luca.
Kronos
<20000306083923...@ng-co1.news.cs.com>...
>Nope. I was confused to but watch the entire episode again. There is a
>referrence to her turning to dust at the very beginning. Her body turned to
>sand.
hi again sasha,
i understand the confusion, believe me. however, the reference to turning
to sand was not literal in the beginning of the ep, but rather was a play on
the well known expression, 'ashes to ashes, dust to dust'. it was a
reference to death and the fact that the corporeal body will ultimately
return, in one way or another, to those smallest of particles.
in previous eps where these hybrids turned into green goo, they essentially
disintegrated, with the suggestion of a green substance left behind. we
never saw them turn into dust, and especially not sand. in fact, this
wouldn't be completely logical, as they're physical make-up at the end was
something not particularly terrestrial.
so, i do understand the confusion. however, i am quite certain that what is
in the coffin are burlap sacks filled with sand, which is overflowing into
the coffin. i'll state again that it was quite unfortunate that the art
directors (or whomever) were not more careful to pick colors of the sacks
that were at least slightly different from the sand that was used. it led
to much initial confusion.
:)
christina
Kronos
Kronos wrote in message ...
snip
>wouldn't be completely logical, as they're physical make-up at the end was
>something not particularly terrestrial.
>
oops - their, not they're. sorry.
christina
Brandon Ray
"Deslea R. Judd" wrote:
> > 3. The Elevator Kiss-
> > Anyhoo, I was under the impression that Scully did, in fact, kiss Skinner
> by
> > way of thanks, but that it could be argued that it never really did
> happen.
>
> How could that be argued? There's no suggestion that Scully could have
> gotten those coordinates in any way other than that scene, and no suggestion
> that anything in the "present day" arc of the ep was fantasy....
>
I have the impression that everything except the very last scene was a dream of
Mulder's -- it was how *he* saw things. Scully's frantic race through the
Hoover Building, for example, didn't seem at all how she would react, and you
have to wonder how the Gunmen would ever have gotten access to the building,
even if they'd been willing to enter it.
We don't have to know how Scully got the coordinates; all that's important is
that she did. There are a number of ways, with the Gunmen's help, that she
could have done it.
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Kronos
Brandon Ray wrote in message <38C3DDEF...@avalon.net>...
>
>
snip
>
>I have the impression that everything except the very last scene was a
dream of
>Mulder's -- it was how *he* saw things. Scully's frantic race through the
>Hoover Building, for example, didn't seem at all how she would react, and
you
>have to wonder how the Gunmen would ever have gotten access to the
building,
>even if they'd been willing to enter it.
>
wow. it never even occured to me to question whether the non-mulder scenes
were real or not. i'll have to rewatch this with a different eye. now,
PMP, on the other hand, i always believed was part of one or the other's
dream. i like to think of it as a fever dream of mulder's, following his
injuries in detour. :)
christina (happily blowing off work this morning - but will certainly pay
for it big time later)
drovar
"Deslea R. Judd" <drj...@primus.com.au> wrote in message
news:38c3...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> > 3. The Elevator Kiss-
> > Anyhoo, I was under the impression that Scully did, in fact, kiss
Skinner
> by
> > way of thanks, but that it could be argued that it never really did
> happen.
>
> How could that be argued? There's no suggestion that Scully could have
> gotten those coordinates in any way other than that scene, and no
suggestion
> that anything in the "present day" arc of the ep was fantasy....
The entire episode, bracketed as it was between scenes of Mulder floating in
the water, was clearly a dream.
drovar
Kel
I hated thinking that Scully had no sources of her own! More than anything in the
episode I hated the idea that she'd turn to Jeffrey Spender for help. Why would
you go to your incompetent enemy for assistance?
Brandon Ray wrote:
> "Deslea R. Judd" wrote:
>
> > > 3. The Elevator Kiss-
> > > Anyhoo, I was under the impression that Scully did, in fact, kiss Skinner
> > by
> > > way of thanks, but that it could be argued that it never really did
> > happen.
> >
> > How could that be argued? There's no suggestion that Scully could have
> > gotten those coordinates in any way other than that scene, and no suggestion
> > that anything in the "present day" arc of the ep was fantasy....
> >
>
> I have the impression that everything except the very last scene was a dream of
> Mulder's -- it was how *he* saw things. Scully's frantic race through the
> Hoover Building, for example, didn't seem at all how she would react, and you
> have to wonder how the Gunmen would ever have gotten access to the building,
> even if they'd been willing to enter it.
>
Kronos
>
snip
>
>The entire episode, bracketed as it was between scenes of Mulder floating
in
>the water, was clearly a dream.
>
no, sorry. not clear at all. as CC is wont to do, the ep is subject to a
variety of interpretations. the fact that i and many others believed
scully's part to be real is demonstration that it is not 'clear'.
if the end was, indeed, real (i.e. mulder was rescued from the sea), then it
is logical that someone rescued him and that it was scully and the LGM.
hence, they had to have gotten the coordinates from somewhere/someone.
i will rewatch the ep, but am not at this time convinced in any way, shape,
or form that the entire ep was a dream.
christina
Brandon Ray
Kel wrote:
> Oh, Brandon, I hope you're right!
>
> I hated thinking that Scully had no sources of her own! More than anything in the
> episode I hated the idea that she'd turn to Jeffrey Spender for help. Why would
> you go to your incompetent enemy for assistance?
This is all very interesting. I had no idea people believed all that stuff actually
happened. :)
My take is that it was Mulder's dream, and that it was how he thought of each of the
characters: Spender was ineffectual; Skinner had divided, uncertain loyalties; Kersh
was an enemy, rather than just an unpleasant supervisor -- and Scully was a
determined, passionate woman, who was willing to do *anything* for him, and who
remained focused and competent even when she was very distressed.
A lot of this was mirrored in the 1939 segments, especially Skinner, the enemy who
turned out to be a friend, and Scully, the capable, no-nonsense OSS agent who was
also a very human woman underneath it all.
And in fact, there are hints at all of these characterization in other episodes, but
it seemed to me that there was enough exaggeration that it must all have been
filtered through the prism of Mulder's perception.
Konrad Douglas Frye
>Brandon Ray wrote in message <38C3DDEF...@avalon.net>...
>>I have the impression that everything except the very last scene was a
>>dream of Mulder's -- it was how *he* saw things. Scully's frantic race
>>through the Hoover Building, for example, didn't seem at all how she
>>would react, and you have to wonder how the Gunmen would ever have
>>gotten access to the building, even if they'd been willing to enter it.
>wow. it never even occured to me to question whether the non-mulder scenes
>were real or not. i'll have to rewatch this with a different eye.
This is the explanation that makes the most sense to me. Scully's
characterization was so completely over the top that I don't see how her
romp through the Hoover building could have happened that way (assuming it
even happened at all). Additionally, the complete lack of split screening
and fast camera wipes during this sequence are another indicator that
Scully and the Gunmen are initially part of Mulder's dream. If they
were not it seems likely that Carter would have edited the act in much the
same way as he edited the Scully/Gunmen scenes at the end of the episode.
It doesn't matter how Scully and the Gunmen found the Queen Anne -
they could have come by the information any number of ways. All that
matters is that they did in fact find the ship (and Mulder) and are
on the scene when he wakes up.
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drovar
>
> no, sorry. not clear at all. as CC is wont to do, the ep is subject to a
> variety of interpretations. the fact that i and many others believed
> scully's part to be real is demonstration that it is not 'clear'.
Backing way up here. It was completely clear to *me*, your milage may vary.
> if the end was, indeed, real (i.e. mulder was rescued from the sea), then
it
> is logical that someone rescued him and that it was scully and the LGM.
> hence, they had to have gotten the coordinates from somewhere/someone.
While of course someone rescued him, I remember *no* indication that it was
Scully and the LGM. I watched the rescue operation very closely several
times. Mulder is pulled from the water by shadowy figures. We can hear
voices but no words. None of those voices in any way suggests either Scully
or the LGM to me.
I think that in his dream we saw what Mulder thought of the people in his
life. He would expect Scully and the LGM to come to his rescue. He
suspected Fowley, Spender, and Kersh of being in cahoots with CSM, while
Skinner was stuck in the middle, and that exactly what we saw.
>
> i will rewatch the ep, but am not at this time convinced in any way,
shape,
> or form that the entire ep was a dream.
>
> christina
Sorry, but I completely and absolutely believe that except for the hospital
scene at the end, it was a dream, and have seen no convincing arguments to
the contrary.
drovar
Julie Cantrell
"Kronos" wrote:
> drovar wrote:
> >
> snip
> >
> >The entire episode, bracketed as it was between scenes of Mulder
floating
> in
> >the water, was clearly a dream.
> >
>
> no, sorry. not clear at all. as CC is wont to do, the ep is
subject to a
> variety of interpretations. the fact that i and many others
believed
> scully's part to be real is demonstration that it is not 'clear'.
<snip>
I actually thought both Mulder's *and* Scully's experiences were real.
My theory was that Mulder slipped into an alternate universe while
in the Bermuda Triangle, which also doubles as an explanation for
all of the mysterious disappearances that have occurred over the
years.
This also explains where the X-file was in this episode.
Secondly, when Scully crosses paths with her double, I figured
that it was an instance where she and her alternate self happened
to be in the same place at the same time giving her the feeling
that *someone just walked across her grave* (that's how I
regarded her facial expression, anyway).
Yeah, it sounds a little bit like Sliders. However, my theory
at least provides a paranormal experience that is the heart of
XF.
Just my opinion!
~~Julie~~
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Teddi Litman
TVOQV66 wrote:
>
>
> I'm also unsure where you get the idea that the bodies turn to dust at all. If
> there is evidence of that somewhere, please someone enlighten me as I've missed
> it. :)
>
> In fact, in Colony, when Scully is unfortunate enough to step in the freshly
> 'melted' remains of one of the doctors, what she steps in is not dust or sand,
> but a corrosive liquid that ate through her shoe.
>
I also agree that the coffin was weighted with sand indicating someone
purposely weighted the coffin so they could take the body ...or Emily
didn't really die ... although Emily being alive would contradict
"All Souls." Will they ever address Emily's body not being in the coffin
in the future? Likely not.
I also want to point out that I don't think Emily was exactly the same sort of
creature as the doctor or Samantha clones we saw in "Colony." Yes,
I think she was a hybrid of some type; but keep in mind that the
Syndicate is *experimenting.* Emily was a later model
hybrid to put it rather indelicately. Yes, she appeared to have the toxic green
substance in her cerebral spinal fluid, but it *wasn't* her blood.
Before the green "cyst" appeared, Scully had blood taken to do
DNA tests on Emily. This was how it was discovered Emily was
Scully's daughter. Emily appeared to be more human than previous
hybrids we had seen. From what we have been told so far, I believe
a section of the Syndicate is attempting to make hybrids that are mostly
human with *just enough* alien characteristics to make them resistant
to the "virus."
Teddi
Julie Cantrell
"d.LiNeAtE" <d.Li...@village.uunet.be> wrote:
<snip>
> If you say that that dance didn't happen, because you know that IRL
Cher
> wouldn't do performances like this, then what do you do with the
large
> circus tent covering the doctor's house?
<snip>
I don't think it was a circus tent. I think it was a fumigation tent
used by exterminators. That's why no one noticed that Shaineh
Burkowitz was missing. Everyone thought her house was being
fumigated and that she was staying elsewhere.
It surprised me that a lot of people thought it was a circus tent.
Okay, that's all. :)
Brandon Ray
Teddi Litman wrote:
>
>
> TVOQV66 wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I'm also unsure where you get the idea that the bodies turn to dust at all. If
> > there is evidence of that somewhere, please someone enlighten me as I've missed
> > it. :)
> >
> > In fact, in Colony, when Scully is unfortunate enough to step in the freshly
> > 'melted' remains of one of the doctors, what she steps in is not dust or sand,
> > but a corrosive liquid that ate through her shoe.
> >
>
> I also agree that the coffin was weighted with sand indicating someone
> purposely weighted the coffin so they could take the body ...or Emily
> didn't really die ... although Emily being alive would contradict
> "All Souls." Will they ever address Emily's body not being in the coffin
> in the future? Likely not.
I don't think she could be alive. I refuse to believe that Scully left Emily's
bedside until after she had died.
>
> I also want to point out that I don't think Emily was exactly the same sort of
> creature as the doctor or Samantha clones we saw in "Colony." Yes,
> I think she was a hybrid of some type; but keep in mind that the
> Syndicate is *experimenting.* Emily was a later model
> hybrid to put it rather indelicately. Yes, she appeared to have the toxic green
> substance in her cerebral spinal fluid, but it *wasn't* her blood.
I agree with most of this, but I want to be picky. It wasn't CSF; it was discharge
from the cyst.
Julie Cantrell
"d.LiNeAtE" <d.Li...@village.uunet.be> wrote:
> Julie Cantrell wrote:
>
> > I don't think it was a circus tent. I think it was a fumigation
> > tent used by exterminators. That's why no one noticed that
Shaineh
> > Burkowitz was missing. Everyone thought her house was being
> > fumigated and that she was staying elsewhere.
> >
> > It surprised me that a lot of people thought it was a circus tent.
> >
> > Okay, that's all. :)
>
There
> was no little flag on top of it? And I was thinking the circus tent
was
> a nice touch. Oh, well this is just weird. Probably those damn
stripes.
> Are you sure it was no circus tent? And, more importantly, do
fumigation
> tents have these kind of stripes? Are they made of cloth? Aren't
they
> made of plastic? I could be wrong ...
Um, I really have never seen a fumigation tent. I just assumed that's
what it was especially since no one found it odd that there was a big
ass tent covering Shaineh's house (of course, in *that* town...). At
any rate, when Mulder later spots the tent on Dr. Polidori's house
and deduces that was why no one reported Shaineh missing, it
just made more sense that her neighbors thought her house was
undergoing pest control.
Of course, maybe that was no ordinary tent. Since the stuff
he was using to knock the women out was actually made to knock
animals out, perhaps those tents are made for covering barns.
Of course, there's a big honking chance that I could be wrong, too.
It just made more sense to me. :)
patness
:
:> I don't think it was a circus tent. I think it was a
fumigation
:> tent used by exterminators. That's why no one noticed
that Shaineh
:> Burkowitz was missing. Everyone thought her house was
being
:> fumigated and that she was staying elsewhere.
:>
:> It surprised me that a lot of people thought it was a
circus tent.
Lost track of who wrote this part?
:I remember a big tent with stripes. Typical circus tent
stripes. There
:was no little flag on top of it? And I was thinking the
circus tent was
:a nice touch. Oh, well this is just weird. Probably those
damn stripes.
:Are you sure it was no circus tent? And, more importantly,
do fumigation
:tents have these kind of stripes? Are they made of cloth?
Aren't they
:made of plastic? I could be wrong ...
:
:d.
It was decidely a fumigation tent. I've seen them
around home lots of times. They look exactly that.
They are used for termite eradication, which is a
real problem in Calif. The tents are striped and are
not plastic. Maybe canvas? Not sure.
Deslea R. Judd
> Anyhoo, I was under the impression that Scully did, in fact, kiss Skinner
by
> way of thanks, but that it could be argued that it never really did
happen.
How could that be argued? There's no suggestion that Scully could have
gotten those coordinates in any way other than that scene, and no suggestion
that anything in the "present day" arc of the ep was fantasy....
> 6. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. . . . .
> So what happened to Emily, anyway? Well, think back, no further back than
> that. . . .Remember what happened to the hybrid people's bodies when they
died?
> The Bubbled and boiled and eventually dried up to dust.
I don't recall any precedent for that. In those cases when hybrids have
been killed and not found decomposing by Moose and Squirrel, there's been no
evidence at all once the body's gone, except for a nasty gooey puddle that
destroys shoes, presumably organic matter (one of the doctors in Colony).
Mulder traipses straight over where Dr Calderon no 1's corpse should be in
Emily. I didn't catch him muttering that they sure needed to vacuum ;-).
Besides, dust and sand are totally different.
Deslea
d.LiNeAtE
> 2. The Dance-
> Post-modern or not, I am still of the opinion that the "Walking
> in Memphis" dance never happened.
Oh, God!!! Not only that, but I see you've suddenly taken a step back
from fact to opinion. Separating that dance from the whole, judging the
dance in itself is not something you should do, when you know what the
rest of the episode is like and what it stands for.
If you say that that dance didn't happen, because you know that IRL Cher
wouldn't do performances like this, then what do you do with the large
circus tent covering the doctor's house? Real? What do you do with the
overall tone of the episode? What about Mulder, who as a fictional
character demands the end be re-written. Is that possible? Is that real?
So, what in this episode is real? Can you tell? A character reaching out
to its writers? Did that happen? If it happened or not is not the issue.
The issue is literary style. Post-modernism. Boundaries.
What happened to the boundaries between fact and fiction in this
episode? That could be a short summary of what post-modern is and neatly
explains the dance sequence as well, although you could say that this
part is a turning point. A fictional character, Mulder, is after all
using power he normally doesn't have or isn't supposed to have to change
the ending of a story. I guess the dance was more than just wishful
thinking :)
If you view the episode as a whole (and you should, don't take it
apart), as part of a well known tradition, then anything in it and
everything that occurred *is* real. If it's realistic or not is not even
the issue.
Am I confusing you now?
d.
Deslea R. Judd
scenes
> PMP, on the other hand, i always believed was part of one or the other's
> dream. i like to think of it as a fever dream of mulder's, following his
> injuries in detour. :)
Yes, that's an interesting take on it which I hadn't heard before, but I can
see that as a possibility. Kudos to Brandon for that one...
Deslea
(who suddenly realises her fic "Bermuda Fragments" is now built on - er -
sand...)
Kronos
>> wow. it never even occured to me to question whether the non-mulder
>scenes
>> were real or not. i'll have to rewatch this with a different eye. now,
>> PMP, on the other hand, i always believed was part of one or the other's
>> dream. i like to think of it as a fever dream of mulder's, following his
>> injuries in detour. :)
>
>Yes, that's an interesting take on it which I hadn't heard before, but I
can
>see that as a possibility. Kudos to Brandon for that one...
>
um, actually, i said that. those quotes up there are mine. and i wrote
about it in 'through the darkness'.
:)
christina/kronos
Deslea R. Judd
stuff actually
> happened. :)
>
> My take is that it was Mulder's dream, and that it was how he thought of
each of the
> characters: Spender was ineffectual; Skinner had divided, uncertain
loyalties; Kersh
> was an enemy, rather than just an unpleasant supervisor -- and Scully was
a
> determined, passionate woman, who was willing to do *anything* for him,
and who
> remained focused and competent even when she was very distressed.
Now that you mention it, Scully's behaviour was in character on the bare
bones of it - pulling out all the stops, etc - and her scene with Skinner in
the office, IMO, was perfectly characterised (compare with scenes in
Endgame, Anasazi) - but then when you get to the specifics, most of it is
those characteristics as Mulder would enact them (the barging in on Jeffrey
Spender and insulting him, for example - Scully plays assertive-nice first
and only goes ferral when she's refused ;-).
Deslea, still musing on this
Sasha00012
Not for stepping on folks toes.
But as for the Emily question, I played it back, frame by frame, on a big
screen TV at work, just to be sure, `cause I don't want to instist on something
that I am proved to be dead wrong in (No pun intended), but way I saw was sand
on the pillow and blanket of her casket, which gives the impression of sacks
with sand spilling from them. I scrutinized this scene very carefully, and that
is what I saw. Of course, I would love to get the real deal from the big CC
himself. And if he says they were sand filled sacks, then I bow down to all of
you in shame, but until then, I'm almost, somewhat, pretty sure about what I
saw.
Besides which, I got to thinking, why, if "They" were going to steal her body,
would they take the time to remove the cross and place it where her neck "would
have been"? Why would they even bother?
d.LiNeAtE
> I don't think it was a circus tent. I think it was a fumigation
> tent used by exterminators. That's why no one noticed that Shaineh
> Burkowitz was missing. Everyone thought her house was being
> fumigated and that she was staying elsewhere.
>
> It surprised me that a lot of people thought it was a circus tent.
>
I remember a big tent with stripes. Typical circus tent stripes. There
Sasha00012
day, but I just aced a bio-calc exam and next week I will do the same for a
writing proficiency exam (spelling doesn't count here, so don't bean me on any
such errors. I know I'm a bad speller).
Anyway, I am taking the episode as a whole, and am not taking the dance scene
out of context. What I am saying is that I interpreted it differently. That the
only way to make it a happy ending for the "Great Mutato" was in the context of
a comic book, but in "real life", he did not get to enjoy any such excursion. I
think it was the best Mulder could offer him, and as the audience, we were
treated to this fanciful flight of the imagination within an imagination (so to
speak).
bluestef
Julie Cantrell <xfs...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sc92ih...@corp.supernews.com...
Um, I really have never seen a fumigation tent. I just assumed that's
what it was especially since no one found it odd that there was a big
ass tent covering Shaineh's house (of course, in *that* town...). At
any rate, when Mulder later spots the tent on Dr. Polidori's house
and deduces that was why no one reported Shaineh missing, it
just made more sense that her neighbors thought her house was
undergoing pest control.
Of course, maybe that was no ordinary tent. Since the stuff
he was using to knock the women out was actually made to knock
animals out, perhaps those tents are made for covering barns.
Of course, there's a big honking chance that I could be wrong, too.
It just made more sense to me. :)
~~Julie~~
When I was out in LaLa land a couple of weeks ago, we were driving to
Malibu, when lo and behold, we saw a house on the side of the hill there,
covered with a striped tarp. Fumigation time! Of course, being the Philes
that we were, we all looked at each other and said, "Post Modern
Prometheus!"
JTIS.
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TAM74
the dream sequences extended beyond the ship - The world is flattening as we
speak!!! <g> .. Tamnews:38c44c07$1...@news.iprimus.com.au...
> > wow. it never even occured to me to question whether the non-mulder
> scenes
> > were real or not. i'll have to rewatch this with a different eye. now,
> > PMP, on the other hand, i always believed was part of one or the other's
> > dream. i like to think of it as a fever dream of mulder's, following
his
> > injuries in detour. :)
>
> Yes, that's an interesting take on it which I hadn't heard before, but I
can
> see that as a possibility. Kudos to Brandon for that one...
>
TAM74
"TAM74" <TA...@email.msn.com> wrote in message
news:#4226jCi$GA.202@cpmsnbbsa04...
> This newsgroup is really messing with my head - It never occurred to me
that
> the dream sequences extended beyond the ship - The world is flattening as
we
> speak!!! <g> .. Tam
But what if the entire ep was real !!! This is just getting more confusing
and oddly interesting all at the same time .. Tam <G>
Kipler
I think it depends on what part of the country you're from. I live in New
England, and have never in my entire life seen a house wrapped in one of those
fumigation tents. And, despite people's disbelief, I've never once seen a
cockroach dwelling in a home. We've got long, cold, country winters, but they
slow down a lot of pests.
--Kipler
Hattie54
>England, and have never in my entire life seen a house wrapped in one of
>those
>fumigation tents. And, despite people's disbelief, I've never once seen a
>cockroach dwelling in a home. We've got long, cold, country winters, but
>they
>slow down a lot of pests.
>
>--Kipler
My old house in Calif. had it done before it was sold . Many houses are stucco
and with the arid climate , its easy to get termites so the tenting is done
many times before the house is sold .
Harriet
PennySyc
>stucco
>and with the arid climate , its easy to get termites so the tenting is done
>many times before the house is sold
This thread has been such a revelation to me! I have NEVER heard of putting a
tent on a house. I always thought that was part of the whole aura of unreality
going on with that ep--one of my favorites BTW. So thanks to you all for
enlightening me!
Leslie
Deslea R. Judd
body,
> would they take the time to remove the cross and place it where her neck
"would
> have been"? Why would they even bother?
I wanted to write a vignette about this but never got around to it.
Basically Scully reflecting on Emily's body being stolen and toying with the
idea of a bodythief with a heart of gold ;-). Anyone want to take this as a
challenge?
Of course it's more likely it just fell off the poor girl. Scully has this
tendency to buy weak chains for her pendants (Squeeze, Ascension)...she
leaves the remains of that blessed cross and her other necklaces
everywhere...;-)
The necklace might also have been removed at the funeral home so she could
be washed, or if there was an autopsy, and Scully just put it into the
coffin later, so that it wasn't actually around Emily's neck when she was
stolen.
Deslea
TedFan
>>
>> > I don't think it was a circus tent. I think it was a fumigation
>> > tent used by exterminators. That's why no one noticed that
>Shaineh
>> > Burkowitz was missing. Everyone thought her house was being
>> > fumigated and that she was staying elsewhere.
>> >
>> >
>
No, it was not a circus tent. Fumigation "tents" are often striped, although I
did see a solid silver one the day before yesterday just down the street from
where I work. Tenting houses for termites is a common practice here in Florida
since we have the perfect climate for them. Oh, they aren't really tents
either, just REALLY big tarps with the edges rolled together and clamped tight
to form a seal to keep the fumigant inside where it belongs.
2Shy X-01001
<snip>
> I think that in his dream we saw what Mulder thought of the people in his
> life. He would expect Scully and the LGM to come to his rescue. He
> suspected Fowley, Spender, and Kersh of being in cahoots with CSM, while
> Skinner was stuck in the middle, and that exactly what we saw.
I've only seen this ep about 5 or 6 times, so I'm not an expert on it in
any way, shape, or form. That being said, I don't recall Mulder seeing
Fowley in the episode at all. I find it hard to believe that the folks
at 1013 would have used up one of their contracted episode with Ms.
Rogers by using her in this episode. I may be 100% wrong, but, as I
said, I don't recall her at all.
--
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