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inquisi...@my-deja.com

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Sep 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/15/00
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Okay I am going to preface my comments by making an apology to Kim.
Kim, had I known the situation regarding your loss, I would have never
engaged in a battle of words with you to begin with. I know now how you
obviously took my Prince Charming post, and as it was not my intention
to emotionally hurt you, I am now apologizing for posting it. However,
I want to make it perfectly clear to you and everyone else that there
was no personal malice intended.

Now to the point at hand, and what I hope will turn that ugly thread
into something more constructive. I got involved in that thread (my
first on this board I might add) because it revolved around exposing
the witches, and I have very strong opinions in that regard. Since that
initial posting of mine it has devolved into a long litany of
unproductive sniping that merely serves as entertainment for those
witches who are reading it.

This is what I propose:

1) Take a stand period, are you yea or nay regarding the witches site?

2) Do you want to see it taken down?

3) If you don't care about them at all, why?

Its just that simple people. Perhaps if enough of you post how you
dislike the witches site and desire to see it taken down, maybe some
sense will finally sink into the thick skulls of mush who created the
site in the first place, and it will cease to be. Have fun ;)!


BRING IT ON!!!!


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Before you buy.

Kimberly

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> 1) Take a stand period, are you yea or nay regarding the witches site?

Nay, with no hesitation.


>
> 2) Do you want to see it taken down?
>

Um...yes, please.


Kimberly

Barbara D.

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Sep 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/15/00
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It was only a matter of time before someone asked us all to sign a loyalty
oath.

Since some people are obviously very late to this party, I'll give them
the benefit of the doubt and assume they missed all the posts condemning
the witches, making snarky comments about the witches, and/or just plain
pounding on the witches.

Starting 090400, the following people have spoken out against the witches:

zoot
Binah
Andrea
Kipler
Paige Caldwell
Laurie
CazQ
mabtng
Jess Mabe
Becky C.
Sabine
Dasha
bugs
penelopody
Kim
CiCi
cofax
Nancy Kroohs
Me
jerry
PennySyc
Nicola Simpson
Tesla
Teddi Litman
violet5173
Ambress
Dreamshaper
marasmus
Michaela
Shannono
Kimberly
Circe
Rene Carson-Campbell
Paula Graves

Scanning the threads since then, I found exactly 1 person who spoke in
support of the witches.

There are a few on the above list with whom I vehemently disagree, since,
while they condemn the witches, they apparently truly believe in guilt by
association, and seem incapable of making an argument against the witches
based on the only hard evidence available to everyone: the witches'
despicable, nasty website. However, they have still condemned the witches
just like most everyone else, and all these posts are available to anyone
who would make the effort to look.

For those of you keeping score at home, during the same period I've
counted *75* stories posted, including good stuff by Rachel Howard, zoot,
Alicia K, Narida Law, Epur, and parrotfish. None of these 75, sadly, have
generated anywhere near as much interest as this bullshit (and I count
myself quite guilty on this score).

Doing the math, it seems there are many more people interested in posting
stories than participating in hair-pulling over what is apparently a given
to the vast majority here: The witches are bad.

Barbara, who truly hopes she hasn't offended anyone by appearing to speak
for them, and apologizes in advance if she has.

Kim

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Sep 15, 2000, 10:41:19 PM9/15/00
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>
>Okay I am going to preface my comments by making an apology to Kim.

Thank you.

>
>1) Take a stand period, are you yea or nay regarding the witches site?
>

>2) Do you want to see it taken down?
>

>3) If you don't care about them at all, why?

http://x73.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=667644188&CONTEXT=969071967.88
5456899&hitnum=7


*~*~*~*~*~*
Kim
Journ...@aol.com
http://journeytox.simplenet.com

"I'm in your hands." Skinner, The X-Files, SR819

"Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind." Rudyard Kipling

penelopody

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Sep 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/16/00
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eep. I promise I'm writing too. It just takes longer for me to invent
a worthwhile piece of original prose than a foolish piece of unoriginal
commentary. ;)

In any case, it's gold for wickdzoot for managing to write fic AND post
a divertingly large number of messages without losing her job (I hope?)
or irritating too many sensible people. Not many could do it. You win
for ummm.... synchronized diving. (And now I can make some nifty
comment about lighting cauldrons...)

Good night, sleep tight...
Pen.

(PS Hope you all saw my fabulous home city's display at the opening
ceremony. I'm all chuffed and proud and I wasn't even in the country.)


In article <39C30F83...@hotmail.com>,

--
Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
While I meditated on that theme
Day dawned.

Jen

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Hey. I've been reading posts on ATXC for more than 2 years now.
Recently with all of the flames, I've been deleting most everything
but stories. I read this post though -- and now I'm confused. Who
are the witches?! They have a website? HUH?!!

Thanks
-Jen

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:13:55 -0700, "Barbara D."
<mmal...@hotmail.com> wrote:

jen...@hotmail.com
XFW #223
*******************************************
"Nothing happens in contradiction to
nature, only in contradiction to what
we know of it."
-Dana Scully "Herrenvolk"

"The truth is as subjective as
reality."
-Jose Chung
"Jose Chung's 'From Outer Space'"
*******************************************

viole...@my-deja.com

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In article <39c3804f...@news.msu.edu>,

noth...@nope.com (Jen) wrote:
> Hey. I've been reading posts on ATXC for more than 2 years now.
> Recently with all of the flames, I've been deleting most everything
> but stories. I read this post though -- and now I'm confused. Who
> are the witches?! They have a website? HUH?!!
>
> Thanks
> -Jen


The witches are a group of anonymous people who seize on other people's
stories and "critique" them very harshly, posting the stories with
comments inserted on a website whose URL I don't know off the top.
Their criticisms are rarely (I would probably say never) constructive,
often quite personal, and sometimes grammatically incorrect. You don't
see them on ATXC because they don't post here. Guess why? <vbg>

Not to speak for anyone else, but I think the main problem people have
with the witches is that they criticize anonymously, and that they hold
the authors of the stories they criticize up to ridicule. A bad story
doesn't mean the writer is a bad person. They would like to think their
site is educational, and they *have* recently (no doubt in response to
this series of threads) offered some writers' resources on their site,
but if they really wanted to educate the bad writers, they would offer
their criticisms in private e-mail, and probably couched in more
diplomatic terms. They would like to think their site is funny, too,
but it's hard to laugh when you're imagining some poor kid in Peoria
hanging herself with her training bra in the stairwell because she's
just been skewered by a witch.

The *only* good thing I can say about the witches is that they haven't
come on this ng and used up a lot of bandwidth that could be better
devoted to some more stories!

Shannara

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2000 15:02:15 GMT, viole...@my-deja.com
wrote:

>
>The *only* good thing I can say about the witches is that they haven't
>come on this ng and used up a lot of bandwidth that could be better
>devoted to some more stories!
>
They obviously lurk, but are no doubt fearful of posting
anything under their real name with their regular ISP -- for
fear of being traced.

If they would just somehow dredge up what little spark of
decency may remain deep inside, and take the site down --
permanently -- and vow (at least to themselves) to never do
that again, then that would be good enough and there would
be no need to hunt them down.

I wonder if it's worth it to them to continually have to
avoid posting -- even one of their own stories -- for fear
of their IP address being traced.


inquisi...@my-deja.com

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In article <dq47ss8gqqino2p5c...@4ax.com>,
shanna...@xemplary.com wrote:

Nothing personal lasses, but could we possibly steer the thread back on
course again please. The whole point was to keep it simple, and simply
chime in to answer 2-3 question in the hope the witches are indeed
lurking and will get the point. It was the sidetracking that ended up
in flames in the last thread of this nature. Thanks again. Have fun ;)!


BRING IT ON!!!


Michaela

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I stand on the ground, thank you.

Except on alternate Tuesdays, when I stand on a pedestal and practice waving as
part of my ongoing training for the 2001 Wannabe Fanfic Diva Olympics.

Michaela, who always needs a goal...
*** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** *** ***
"The very concept of 'informed consent' implies that once you are informed, you
will consent."

"In the absence of drugs and the presence of preparedness, nature is
efficient."

WickdZoot

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<waving hand in air>

Me, too.

Vote Zoot

zoot
"Lo, and out of nowhere, a champion shall appear..." - anonymous
---------------------------------------------------------

VOTE ZOOT 2000
http://www.geocities.com/cassandraxf.html

WickdZoot

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>In any case, it's gold for wickdzoot for managing to write fic AND post
>a divertingly large number of messages without losing her job (I hope?)
>or irritating too many sensible people. Not many could do it. You win
>for ummm.... synchronized diving. (And now I can make some nifty
>comment about lighting cauldrons..

<sighing> Multi-tasking. Alas, I can't write at work, even a multi-tasking
zoot can't manage four Oracle/SQL session, Outlook business email, fracking SQL
reports that don't appear to run even when their code is right, fracking cron
jobs that are set up correctly but appear to have their own timetable and only
run when they want, reading JAM code to figure out why engineering did it wrong
(don't ask, it's truly, truly ugly) and take Telecommunication Essentials all
in the same workweek.

Writing happens at home. <sighing>

My siblings always used to hate my ability to multi-task, and I'd tell you a
tedious little story about my sister pulling one of those stories out of her
hat last year, but it's soooo off topic and not entertaining enough to divert
us from this thrash.

zoot, who genuinely RESTS on the weekend

carla mantel

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I stand on ceremony. I do NOT stand on command. I occasionally stand on
chairs, but that's mostly in the presence of spiders on the floor. Or
when my parakeet gets loose and I have to retrieve him from a high shelf.
I have been known to stand in water twice a week, though not ON water,
unfortunately. I know enough to stand at attention when my mother uses my
full name. I rarely stand still. I stand on my hands for fun. I used to
stand on stage but gave it up to take a stand against crime. I stand when
my flag passes in a parade; ditto the national anthem. I stand when
introduced to someone. I stand by my man... when I have time for one. I
stand behind my friends. Finally, I sit up and beg for fanfic.
Puh-LEESE??????????? <big puppy eyes>

Carla,
wishing inquisitor would post fic (see begging above)

Aletea Lily Holder

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>>carla mantel wrote:

something extremly hilarious. *lol* that's cute, Carla, very cute.

Aletea Lily Holder

~*~

TASTE THE RAINBOW
The darkness ahead may be your brightest light

carla mantel

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penelopody (penel...@my-deja.com) wrote:

: (PS Hope you all saw my fabulous home city's display at the opening


: ceremony. I'm all chuffed and proud and I wasn't even in the country.)

I sat alone in my little home and bawled my eyes out... <sniff> so
beautiful
Carla,
glad the olympics don't happen every year, cause she turns into a sappy
mess during them

carla mantel

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Thanks.
Carla,
now standing WAY too proud:)

Aletea Lily Holder (x-f...@ns.sympatico.ca) wrote:

Aletea Lily Holder

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> Thanks.
> Carla,
> now standing WAY too proud:)

*lol* well, it is funny. and 's okay, stand as proud as you want.

Barbara D.

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inquisi...@my-deja.com wrote:

> In article <dq47ss8gqqino2p5c...@4ax.com>,
> shanna...@xemplary.com wrote:
>
> Nothing personal lasses, but could we possibly steer the thread back on
> course again please.

After reviewing the evidence, many of us have apparently come to the
conclusion that there is no need for this thread to go any further. No one
needs to jump through any hoops just to show where they stand. We've made
it clear where we stand to anyone who would care to read the on topic
posts.

> The whole point was to keep it simple, and simply
> chime in to answer 2-3 question

All these questions have been answered, in other threads. Names have been
named, and everyone can count.

> in the hope the witches are indeed
> lurking and will get the point.

I'm sure they're lurking, and have read the vitriol that has been directed
their way for the better part of 10 days.

> It was the sidetracking that ended up
> in flames in the last thread of this nature. Thanks again.

No sidetracking here. The question was asked and answered. Do the majority
who have
posted to these threads despise the witches and what they've done? The
answer is yes.

<snip>

Barbara


DBKate

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>>
>They obviously lurk, but are no doubt fearful of posting
>anything under their real name with their regular ISP -- for
>fear of being traced.

Good fear, since they're obviously as dumb as a box of hair and wouldn't know
how to cover their tracks if it meant their lives.

DBKate

Rene Carson-Campbell

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///Good fear, since they're obviously as dumb as a box of hair and wouldn't

know how to cover their tracks if it meant their lives.

DBKate///


I feel sorry for the Witches. No, really, I do. Those poor girls and boys, my
heart goes out to them. I was thinking about them last night and I cried for
them.

Those poor kids. <sniff>

Please, give me a moment. <wipes eyes>

When I think about what they have lost...<shudder>

From this moment forward, unless they are totally innocent of any of the
accusations leveled at them, they'll never be able to post under their real
names again. <Sob!> Those damn ISP addresses!

It's been said that they write fanfic, too. When I think about all those
stories of theirs that they'll never be able to post here, all that feedback
they'll never get, it just breaks my heart. They'll have to get a new ISP
provider and start from scratch, emerge as a new writer. If they have ongoing
stories, those will have to be abandoned. They'll never be publicly praised
for those stories so long as they are posted under their current names. Post
it under a new name and that's an automatic assumption of guilt.

Those, poor, poor girls and boys. You've lost so much just to be able to make
fun of those who you feel are beneath you. Did the months of seeing these
people get more feedback than you when they obviously didn't approach your
brilliance make you snap? You showed them, didn't you?

Was it worth it?

**********
Why is it called a daring feat when
someone does something unbelievably stupid?


Shannara

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ROTFLMAO! You've got me crying, too, Rene! I'm laughing so
hard, tears are streaming down my face. ;)

On 17 Sep 2000 16:11:49 GMT, rcarson...@aol.com (Rene
Carson-Campbell) wrote:

>///Good fear, since they're obviously as dumb as a box of hair and wouldn't


>know how to cover their tracks if it meant their lives.
>

Rene Carson-Campbell

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///ROTFLMAO! You've got me crying, too, Rene! I'm laughing so hard, tears are
streaming down my face. ;)///

The life of a fugitive. I bet people in the Witness Protection Plan feel the
same way. What's the use of talent if you can't display it and have people
stroke your ego over it?

WickdZoot

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>The life of a fugitive. I bet people in the Witness Protection Plan feel the
>same way. What's the use of talent if you can't display it and have people
>stroke your ego over it?
>

I'd ask you to marry me, but I already proposed to Teddi.

zoot

Becky C.

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On 17 Sep 2000 17:38:46 GMT, wick...@aol.comnospam (WickdZoot) wrote
(to Rene):

>I'd ask you to marry me, but I already proposed to Teddi.

Hey, what's stopping you? Already having proposed to someone else
isn't even slowing down the rest of us. I mean, at last count, wasn't
Jerry slated to marry roughly half of ATXC?

Becky C.

Wicked Witches Punishment Page

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In article <20000917121149...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
rcarson...@aol.com (Rene Carson-Campbell) wrote:
<a lot of crap snipped>

It is unbelievably rude to post misspelled, badly punctuated,
ungrammatical stories to newsgroups. There are rules in the English
language (strange as they are) for a reason. Their reason is mutual
intelligibility. If your method is to write something down and post
your first draft as soon as you finish, - STOP- step away from the
keyboard - take a firm grip on your knickers - and DON'T DO IT! Then
no one will get hurt.

It's all about the fic. Think you can get that through your heads?
Have a look and judge for yourself.

Midwest

THE LAKE

By: Jamie Tanquary

Feedback: If you feel so inclined to let me know you liked my work
(believe

me I know how hard it is to write feedback)(Because, it's apparently
hard for Jaime to

write ANYTHING, if this is a representative example.) then do so to

jaybi...@hotmail.com (The jaybird amuses me.)

Rating: NC-17

Classification: MSR

Disclaimer: I really don't see the point of this considering there is
not

one name used throughout the whole thing. But ok it all belongs to CC,
FOX, Ten Thirteen Pro, and

DD & GA. Everything except the storyline. That's mine. (I wouldn't be
so quick to take the CREDIT for that, if I were you.)

Summery: (It HAS been like that lately. At least it has been in the
Midwest.) Ok. OK, so maybe I was in the mood for a little Smut,

well not completely. It is a little sappy as well. (A little? A
LITTLE?)

Visit my website for more of my stories

http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/deva/631

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

He took her there... as an act of rebellion, or maybe desire. (Ellipses
mean part of the sentence has been left out. What is missing, here?
Probably coherence.) The night was laced with words unspoken. (Words
unspoken? So how do we know they're there? And how do they lace the
night? Did someone put something in the punchbowl at the FBI prom
again?) Had he brought her here for some unsuspecting reason? (How do
reasons suspect things? They're mental constructions with no reasoning
ability of their own.) She didn't want to know his motives... for they
were the same as hers. (Ellipses again, what's missing? If she didn't
want to know his motives, how can she make this assumption?) The lake
was unusually calm. the stars serenely bright. (Finally, a sentence
that makes sense! Whew!) He beckoned to her, but she did not come. She
stared towards the water instead. (So she couldn't see him beckoning,
therefore it's not strange that she didn't come.) She undressed slowly
as she walked. (While staring at the water. How does she avoid banging
into stationary objects?) wanting him to relish in her beauty. (And I
thought hubris as a story concept had died out with Sophocles!) And he
did. his eyes traveling up and down her sleek body. (What is with
this ... thing? Where did you get this crappy convention?) Had the
tiny sliver of a moon not been out (No dot dot dot here? Put a comma
in.) he wouldn't have seen the glow of her skin. (It must have been
pretty bright, if he could see it by moonlight. Is she radioactive?)
the silkiness of her hair glistening between the soft apex of her
thighs. (Between the apex? Hawn-sel? Hawn-sel? The apex is the top,
like the top of a mountain. You can't get between the top, ok? It's
the top. Second meaning is "the narrowed or pointed end." Which
immediately brings to mind, Scully stabbed him with her apex.) Slowly
she walked into the lake. (What is missing here? Why are you doing
this? Are you trying to drive your readers INSANE?) each step creating
waves across the calm water. (Scully must be as big as a barge. Normal
people would create ripples.) She paused halfway out to turn to him,
her eyes softly pleading for him to join her. (Eyes can't plead, but as
this is standard (bad) convention, I won't smack you down for it.) He
could see her soul. (I see dead people. No, really. I saw my Grandpa
one time, about two years after he died. I was walking over to my
Aunt's house to ask her to come to tea at three (because we're odd that
way) and he was standing there under the apple tree with the dog, who
was also dead. He smiled and waved. And I stopped walking and watched
him. He smiled again and walked down the hill to the lake, which
reminds me that I'm supposed to be reviewing this story, but it's just
so horrible that I'd rather think about dead people instead.) and her
every waking thought was of him. The depths made him shudder with
pleasure. (The depths of what? The cool, dark water, beckoning him to
a watery grave?)

He tore at his clothes. They had become constricting. (Can't you just
use a fucking comma for once?) yet he couldn't remove them fast enough.
He wanted to be with her. inside of her. (Like the infant that he is.)
If he claimed her as his own this once she would never belong to
another. (I beg to differ. She could subsequently go out and fuck the
stating lineup of the Green Bay Packers and he couldn't do a thing
about it.) She would remain as his lover for all eternity. (Remain as
his lover? So she really wouldn't BE his lover, just a construction
about something similar to a lover but entirely different.)

He entered the lake hesitantly. It was chilly at first. not too cold,
but cold enough for him to enjoy the slight sting of the water, to
relish the pain along with the pleasure. (If he's out to screw the
woman, would he care if it was too cold other than for shrinkage
reasons?)

She kept walking towards the deepness of the lake. (I thought she was
already in the lake, how is she walking toward it?) She was completely
submerged now. (How is she breathing? Does she have gills? If she
comes up with Excalibur, I'm going to have to hurt someone.) Too much
for his tastes. (This is a sentence fragment.) He needed to see her.
(Ever heard of a comma?) to watch her as she walked in the very
center. (Of what?) For the water would represent her. (Is Scully up
before the judge again?) the very deepness of her soul. (Down, bile!
Back down in my stomach!)

She paused as if sensing his thoughts. (How could anyone possibly
know this? It's Telepathic!Narrator.) How often had she dreamed of
this night? (Doesn't she know? Has she been brainwashed?) Would she
run and hide? (Will the narrator ask another rhetorical question?) No.
she would wait for him to join her. wait for the inevitable pleasure
that would arrive with her patience. (It's not inevitable.)

He approached her slowly. his fingers dancing lightly over the soft
skin of her back when he reached her. (Would you learn to punctuate
correctly, please?) She didn't turn. she didn't need to it could only
be him. (How many sentences do we have here pretending to be one?) But
he teased her. He kept his larger frame (A picture frame? A garden
frame? A window frame?) from touching her body attracting her to his
warmth. She turned wanting more. so much more. (Where do you get trite
crap like this?)

Yet he wouldn't get closer. (Or she'd realize his 'nads were shriveled
up like raisins from the cold water of the lake.) He remained with his
body not touching hers. (I hope he remains with his body, or it's an X-
File. Is there going to be an X-File? Will there be astral
projection? "He flies his astral plane... Timothy Leary." NOTE -WWMW
used ellipses correctly here to denote words left out of the lyrics by
the Moody Blues.) his hands running lightly over her skin.

"I want you." she whispered softly. sensuously.

"You want me for what?" he replied hoarsely. (This is actually a good
Mulder line. You get points for it. He would say something similarly
inappropriate at such a moment.)

"I want you to pleasure me as only you would know how." Was her soft
reply. (And you immediately lose them for a) incorrect punctuation and
b) the DUMBEST and most fake Scully line ever written. What sort of
BAAAAAD romance novel tripe have you been reading? What idiot would
say this with a straight face? A real person would laugh if anyone
ever said this to them. Then they'd probably fuck her and never call
again.)

"Then let me." His lips covered hers. hard and demanding. His hands
focused on the one spot that he knew would bring her pleasure. (Her
elbow? Her forehead? Her little pinkie?)

He pulled away as she began to moan and writhe under his touch. He
moved away from that pleasure point. knowing she would groan in
disappointment. (What a sadistic bastard!) She didn't fail what was
expected of her. (What kind of sick S&M story is this?) His hands moved
lightly towards her back.

"What will you do for me?" he asked her softly.

"Anything." she replied.

Their eyes locked... (Ow, must be painful.) in the darkness he saw the
reflection of desire in her eyes. It mirrored his own..... (If he saw
the reflection, the desire would BE his own. It's how mirrors work,
unless you're in Wonderland.)

"Anything?" He asked more carefully this time ("Punctuation?" she
asked despairingly.)

"Yes anything...just please..." (The following should be a new
paragraph.) He asked no more. She was waiting and he would give to her
the one thing she wanted most...the touch of another human being.
(Whoa, this is getting kinkier and kinkier. I thought they were
alone.) His mouth descended upon hers again...this kiss demanding so
much more as his tongue invaded her lips and explored the depth of her
very soul. (Wow! His tongue got all existential and everything. How
can one lick a religious/metaphysical construct? "Come here, Scully,
let me lick your religion." "Of course, Mulder, then I shall lick your
commitment like a yummy, yummy lollipop.") He pulled her tighter into
the embrace. Had she had any second thoughts about what she was doing?
(I don't know, had she? That's sort of the author's business to tell
us.) It didn't matter...she wanted him more than any other man she had
ever wanted before...and he was willing to give into those pleasures,
to make her understand the meaning of passion. (Could you please write
in real sentences, not fragments strung together with ellipses? This
is just hideous. And how does one "give into those pleasures?" Do you
mean in to, perhaps?)

Slowly his hands moved up from her back where he had been cradling her
in his embrace. Her moans were uneven begging for more... (Like so many
other uneven things begging for more, gad!) yet too uneven to be
deciphered. (Without the "Scully moan secret codex.") She stayed within
the embrace.... waiting for the soft slide of his fingers...over the
small of her back...up...slowly towards her soft neck. (I hope he will
grasp her soft neck and strangle her so this awful fic will end.)

She gripped him closer into the embrace. She needed the contact...
needed to feel the soft swell of her breasts against his chest. (How is
she feeling this? How does she know they're softly swelling? Whose
POV is this?) Still, he resisted the too close contact. (These POV
shifts are making me seasick.) He needed her to want him more...needed
her passion to overcome her very being. (If it overcomes her being,
she'll be dead. Unless Mulder is into necrophilia, that probably
wouldn't be a good thing.) She wouldn't stand for it though. Instead
she ran her hands slowly up his back...small circles...pressure
here...softer touches there. He stilled her hands with no warning...
(How did he do this? Telekenesis? There's no explanation here.)

"No. you must remain still...only when I tell you to move.... not
before. Not after..." His voice was demanding. she would not disobey.
(How do these two sentences about two different people make up one
sentence with something missing from the middle? You know what's
missing here? Logic. Any command of the English language. Good
sense. You name it.)

The desire for control was more overbearing than she had imagined, she
yielded to the unsteady yet firm grip. (Overbearing? Unsteady but
firm? Aiiieeeee!) Her body ached with yearning and burned at the idea
of his touch. (Isn't he touching her already?)His eyes clouded over
with lust. (Aaaarrrghh POV shift!) Like a schoolgirl wanting to be
taken, (I'm sure there are a LOT of teachers out there who are really
glad to hear about this!) she felt herself shudder at the thought of
his command, not the tone, but the urgency that came with it. (Arrrgh
POV shift!) He assumed that he had the control. (Arrrgh POV shift!) but
he was wrong to assume. (It made an ass of him and her.)

(WWMW putting on her long, multicolored scarf and is going into the
nearest phone box to place a call to the Time Lords so that they will
come and kick this author's ass quite soundly for the hideous and
unwarranted POV shifting. She's not certain it's their jurisdiction,
but they ought to be able to do something.)

Kimberly

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Christ on a crutch...just because no one is going to your pathetic site, do
not bring it here.

I could go on and on, but frankly your just not worth my time.

Kimberly - who bids the fine folks on AXTC a fond farwell, there are plenty
of places to play on this big net, most of which are Witch free.

Kipler

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Can we all immediately killfile this nonsense?

And can someone tell me if, in AOL 3.0, you even CAN killfile a newsgroup post?

--Kipler, wishing with her fingers crossed...

Shari

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>And can someone tell me if, in AOL 3.0, you even CAN killfile a newsgroup
>post?

Sadly, no. But this might be a good excuse to upgrade.

Shari
~~~~~~
Chronicle X -- http://chroniclex.simplenet.com
To be notified when ChronX updates, send a blank e-mail to
ChronicleXUpd...@egroups.com


Lara Means

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Sep 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/17/00
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Kipler wrote:

<< And can someone tell me if, in AOL 3.0, you even CAN killfile a newsgroup
post? >>


Here's how to do it on AOL 5.0 for the PC -- dunno if it's possible with
earlier versions, or any version of AOL for the Mac.

On the main Newsgroups page, click on Set Preferences. There should be tabs at
the top of the window; click on Filtering. There's a drop-down menu next to
Select Filter Type.

If you want to killfile a certain author, select that and type in the e-mail
address that person uses. If you want to killfile every post with a certain
subject, you can either filter things by the exact subject or by words in the
subject. You can also filter by domain name.

When you're done, click OK.

Hope this helps...
Lara Means

--------------------------------------------
"I've been called a lot of things, Detective. Skeptical, however, is not one of
them."
- Mulder, 'Mind's Eye'

Written by Lara Means (new URL) - http://www.geocities.com/larameans_2000


Shannara

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Sep 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/17/00
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Telnet is another way to connect to the Internet. It's
completely text-based, Unix, specifically. It's not the
World Wide Web and it's not USENET, but completely separate.

I used to spend hours telnetting up to play MUDs.

On 18 Sep 2000 01:06:18 GMT, cma...@ub.d.umn.edu (carla
mantel) wrote:

>Hey, since we're asking, how bout from telnet (whatever the hell program
>this is -- can you tell how little I know about 'puters?)?
>Carla
>
>Kipler (kip...@aol.com) wrote:
>: Can we all immediately killfile this nonsense?
>
>: And can someone tell me if, in AOL 3.0, you even CAN killfile a newsgroup post?
>
>: --Kipler, wishing with her fingers crossed...


paigec...@hotmail.com

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Sep 17, 2000, 8:12:55 PM9/17/00
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I don't see the point behind the witches post, but their strategy is
plain to see. As well as timing...how coincidental!

When witches appear, Oz takes on a whole new meaning. Time to click
those ruby reds and head on back to Kansas. Rather face a tornado than
a brain fart from the windy city.

DBKate

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Sep 17, 2000, 8:31:48 PM9/17/00
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>I don't see the point behind the witches post, but their strategy is
>plain to see. As well as timing...how coincidental!

Like I said ... dumb as a box of hair. God, this ng is turning into a real
sewer. Thanks for sharing that distinctive odor of yours "ladies."

I think I'm going to take a shower now.

DBKate
~*~*~*~*~*~
VOTE ZOOT:
http://www.geocities.com/cassandraxf/index.html
~*~*~*~*~*~
the slash of dbkate
http://www.geocities.com/dbkate/index.html

WickdZoot

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Sep 17, 2000, 9:07:10 PM9/17/00
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In this one instance, Kipler, I totally agree with ignoring it.

I didn't see that.

zoot

"Lo, and out of nowhere, a champion shall appear..." - anonymous
---------------------------------------------------------

VOTE ZOOT 2000
http://www.geocities.com/cassandraxf/index.html

carla mantel

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Sep 17, 2000, 9:06:18 PM9/17/00
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Rene Carson-Campbell

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Sep 17, 2000, 9:41:53 PM9/17/00
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///X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDseparsons///

<Yawn>

I'll be even more impressed when you post under your real screen name, not an
AOL name that was run through YAHOO! and Deja.

I also thought the Witches' address was wickedx...@yahoo.com, not
wickedx...@yahoo.com.

Anyone can create a yahoo account and a deja account and call themselves
whatever they wish on them.

Is that desperation I smell? Or maybe my 6-month old needs a diaper change.
Sometimes they smell a lot alike.

Shawen

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Sep 17, 2000, 10:36:35 PM9/17/00
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> (PS Hope you all saw my fabulous home city's display at the opening
> ceremony. I'm all chuffed and proud and I wasn't even in the
country.)


Yes, actually, I stayed up to watch the whole thing! It was
phenomenal...best opening ceremony I've seen. And a quite beautiful
country too.>

GO USA!!!!!


Shawen :)
The Hall of X
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quasar/8840

Kshar

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Sep 19, 2000, 1:16:15 AM9/19/00
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<paigec...@hotmail.com>

> I don't see the point behind the witches post, but their strategy is
> plain to see. As well as timing...how coincidental!

I just know I'm going to regret jumping into this, but....
A quick search at deja.com showed that the Witches' posts in the past have
been made by 'wicked1midwest' (at wickedx...@yahoo.com). This post was
by 'Wicked Witches Punishment Page' at wickedx...@yahoo.com
JTIS. You may all now resume being horrible to each other.

Kshar,
wondering how many people she has to killfile before she can stop hearing
about this.


WickdZoot

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Sep 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/18/00
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>I just know I'm going to regret jumping into this, but....
>A quick search at deja.com showed that the Witches' posts in the past have
>been made by 'wicked1midwest' (at wickedx...@yahoo.com). This post was
>by 'Wicked Witches Punishment Page' at wickedx...@yahoo.com
>JTIS. You may all now resume being horrible to each other.
>
Wha---!!!!

I know I'm going to regret jumping in after you, I swore I was done, but
*where* did you find the wickedx...@yahoo.com posts in Deja? I kept getting
no results found when I searched for a witches post to atxc. I was under the
impression they had never posted. This could go some way toward resolving the
issue of identity if you could point me at the posts.

zoot, amazed

Becky C.

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Sep 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/18/00
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On 18 Sep 2000 13:37:55 GMT, wick...@aol.comnospam (WickdZoot)
wrote:

>I know I'm going to regret jumping in after you, I swore I was done, but
>*where* did you find the wickedx...@yahoo.com posts in Deja? I kept getting
>no results found when I searched for a witches post to atxc. I was under the
>impression they had never posted. This could go some way toward resolving the
>issue of identity if you could point me at the posts.

They actually posted a story a while back -- I think the title was
"Mulder and Scully Go to Hell" or something very similar.

Becky C.

WickdZoot

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Sep 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/18/00
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>They actually posted a story a while back -- I think the title was
>"Mulder and Scully Go to Hell" or something very similar.
>
>Becky C.
>
Becky, you rock.

Interesting. Well, this doesn't resolve any identy questions as discussed in
the previous gazillion threads, but it IS posted through an AOL account.

X-Http-Proxy: 1.0 x30.deja.com:80 (Squid/1.1.22) for client 152.163.213.183
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.
X-Article-Creation-Date: Tue Mar 28 05:33:40 2000 GMT
X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDwicked1midwest
Newsgroups: alt.tv.x-files.creative
X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 4.0; Windows 98;
DigExt)

Whatever the frock that means.

zoot

Lara Means

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Sep 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/18/00
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Zoot wrote:

<< I know I'm going to regret jumping in after you, I swore I was done, but
*where* did you find the wickedx...@yahoo.com posts in Deja? >>


Dunno how to find it in Deja, but they posted something here under the address
of wickedx...@yahoo.com on Sunday. I still have it, and can forward it to
you via e-mail if you want.

inquisi...@my-deja.com

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Sep 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/18/00
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In article <8q3huk$jd3$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,

Wicked Witches Punishment Page <wickedx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <20000917121149...@ng-cg1.aol.com>,
> rcarson...@aol.com (Rene Carson-Campbell) wrote:
> <a lot of crap snipped>
>
> It is unbelievably rude to post misspelled, badly punctuated,
> ungrammatical stories to newsgroups. There are rules in the English
> language (strange as they are) for a reason. Their reason is mutual
> intelligibility. If your method is to write something down and post
> your first draft as soon as you finish, - STOP- step away from the
> keyboard - take a firm grip on your knickers - and DON'T DO IT! Then
> no one will get hurt.
>

Not that I am one to talk when it comes to spelling, and grammar (being
conversational in nature, I could care less whether I make these
mistakes in a post to a thread). By the same token, Ms. Witchiepoo,
perhaps you would care to enlighten the rest of us gramatically-
challenged, when using a hyphen in place of a coma became an acceptable
form of punctuation???? Geez, if you're going to critize others, the
least you could do is follow the same laws of grammar you preach. I
mean how vapid can one get? Have fun ;)!

BRING IT ON!!!!

WickdZoot

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Sep 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM9/18/00
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>Yes, I found it by searching for 'wicked x witches' (anywhere in the body of
>the message) at deja.com
>Ooo, does this make me a kool cyber-stalker type person?!!11!!
>
>Kshar,
>always wanted to be kool
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, you are way kewl. I only tried searching for wickedxwitches in the
address field, doh! <slapping self on forehead>

I didn't think to search the body of the text.

Teddi Litman

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WickdZoot wrote:

>  
>
> I know I'm going to regret jumping in after you, I swore I was done, but

> *where* did you find the wickedx...@yahoo.com posts in Deja? I kept getting
> no results found when I searched for a witches post to atxc.  I was under the
> impression they had never posted.  This could go some way toward resolving the
> issue of identity if you could point me at the posts.
>  

Either way, Deja is unreliable in the sense that all posts aren't there ... even
those that aren't x-no-archive. They've been updating the archive (or something
like that) for *months* and they admitted it would take several more months. Right
now, you can't get anything before May 1999.

                            Teddi


Kshar

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"Becky C." <rec...@princeton.edu> wrote

> On 18 Sep 2000 13:37:55 GMT, wick...@aol.comnospam (WickdZoot)
> wrote:
>
> >I know I'm going to regret jumping in after you, I swore I was done, but
> >*where* did you find the wickedx...@yahoo.com posts in Deja? I kept
getting
> >no results found when I searched for a witches post to atxc. I was under
the
> >impression they had never posted. This could go some way toward
resolving the
> >issue of identity if you could point me at the posts.
>
> They actually posted a story a while back -- I think the title was
> "Mulder and Scully Go to Hell" or something very similar.
>

Lauryn

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Sep 19, 2000, 9:50:56 PM9/19/00
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>///X-MyDeja-Info: XMYDJUIDseparsons///
>
><Yawn>
>
>I'll be even more impressed when you post under your real screen name, not an
>AOL name that was run through YAHOO! and Deja.
>
>I also thought the Witches' address was wickedx...@yahoo.com, not
>wickedx...@yahoo.com.
>
>Anyone can create a yahoo account and a deja account and call themselves
>whatever they wish on them.
>
>Is that desperation I smell? Or maybe my 6-month old needs a diaper change.
>Sometimes they smell a lot alike.

Two pointer for Rene :)

Lauryn

trajan

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Sep 21, 2000, 11:28:42 PM9/21/00
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inquisi...@my-deja.com wrote:

>
> 1) Take a stand period, are you yea or nay regarding the witches site?

I like it when the mood strikes. It entertains me occasionally.

> 2) Do you want to see it taken down?

Nope.

> 3) If you don't care about them at all, why?

I don't really care one way or another, as long as the decision to keep it
up or take it down is theirs.

Trajan
(Free minds, free markets.)

Foxsong

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Sep 22, 2000, 1:20:45 AM9/22/00
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In article <8pubn2$2na$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
inquisi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> This is what I propose:

>
> 1) Take a stand period, are you yea or nay regarding the witches site?
>
> 2) Do you want to see it taken down?
>
> 3) If you don't care about them at all, why?
>

Okay. I pretty much don't care about them. I arrive at this by this
means...

One, my competitive nature says: When I post my fic in a public
forum, I acknowledge that I open myself up to criticism, and that some
will be constructive, while other may be meaner-spirited. Such is life.
I shrug and move on.

Two, my Buddha nature says: All of us, be we writers, beta readers,
or critics, are doing the best we can with what we have to work with at
any given time. If the best the self-styled 'witches' can do is to try
to tear down others from behind the protection of (dubious) anonymity,
then they are unwittingly blackening themselves far more than the
people they're attacking.

Someone who has something to say, and knows that it is worthy of
being heard, seldom sees the need to hide behind a new name and a
Hotmail addy. Thoughtful criticism is usually well-received, even if
it's not always flattering. See something you think would have read
better with alterations? Say so, and give the writer food for thought,
or shrug and scroll past it. If a fic is utterly unreadable, you always
have a delete key. It's that simple.

-- Foxsong
Proud to be a real Wiccan Witch! ;-)


--
>>> dream * desire * mystery * passion * truth <<<
My fanfic lives at The Foxsong Files
http://trax.to/the_foxsong_files

"Hillary was a good sport." - David Duchovny

WickdZoot

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>If a fic is utterly unreadable, you always
>have a delete key. It's that simple.

Or the MarkRead button. Amen.

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