Warning concerning Xemplary
Brandon Ray
but I think it has to be done.
Tonight, I emailed Laurie Haynes, who runs the XFC mailing list and
the Xemplary archive. In my message, I asked her to remove some
stories that I coauthored with another fanfic author. The reasons we
want them removed aren't important, but here's what I said to her:
===quoting my own original message===
Please remove the following stories from your archive as soon as
possible. I understand that in the past you have claimed that authors
requesting these sorts of services do not appreciate the demands
placed on the individual managing a large archive. I note for the
record that gossamer is far larger than xemplary, and that they
normally process requests such as this one in less than 30 days.
Alternatives 1: Frustration
Alternatives 2: Obstacles
Alternatives 3: Payback
Alternatives 4: Escape
Alternatives 5: Afterglow
Introit in E
Memorial Day
Playing House 2
Raisin Pie
===end quoted material===
That's the ENTIRETY of what I sent her, folks. Netiquette does not
allow me to post her response verbatim, but I think I can fairly
summarize it by saying that it's the closest thing I've received to a
true flame in the two years I've participated in xf fanfic. Among
other things, she accused me of thinking that I am the be all and end
all of fanfic -- which I clearly am not. Even *I* have *some*
humility ... honest! ;)
I responded to this, which I probably should not have, as follows:
===quoting my own message===
I never thought I was, Laurie. But that does seem to be your standard
accusation when somebody calls you on your own misbehavior.
===end quoted material===
Again, I should not have responded in that way, especially the second
sentence. And again, netiquette prohibits me from posting her
response, but it was even worse than her first one. It seems that I
am an asshole and full of myself -- among other, even more abusive
things. I challenge Laurie to allow me to post her comments verbatim.
I am posting this message because I thought other authors should be
aware of the sort of abuse they may face if they should ask for
archiving changes at Xemplary. I have subsequently asked that *all*
of my stories be removed from that archive, and I shall be doing no
further business with Ms. Haynes.
--
You're dead you bastards!! I was Krycek birthday party girl! --
Narida said this on AIM late one night. Don't ask. ;)
==========================
But you *can* ask about my fanfic:
http://www.avalon.net/~publius/MyStories.html
You can also ask about my fanfic recs:
http://www.avalon.net/~publius/MyRecs.html
bed...@my-deja.com
shit out and keep the rest of us out of it!
beduini - looking for FIC TO READ
In article <39BED9BD...@avalon.net>,
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Kimberly
<bed...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> For fuck's sake, Brandon! This is inappropriate. You guys work this
> shit out and keep the rest of us out of it!
>
> beduini - looking for FIC TO READ
AMEN! It's evident Brandon has a problem with Laurie personally, and he's
just bringing it to a public forum. For his own sick and twisted reasons.
Like I said before, if Laurie said Black, Fred would say white. And it's so
beyond predictable it's not even faintly amusing anymore.
And Fred? Don't bother replying, I sure the hell wouldn't bother to read
that or anything else by you.
Kimberly - who like Beduini, just wants the fic, not all of this bullshit.
Atticus
<<For fuck's sake, Brandon! This is inappropriate. You guys work this
shit out and keep the rest of us out of it!
beduini - looking for FIC TO READ>>
<Amanda leads the standing ovation>
Amanda
++++++++++++
T H E B A D B O T T O M L I N E:
Feeling flush with the competitive spirit, Bill Mulder feverishly placed his
blue Stratego pieces on the board. "Okay, Teena, this round's for the kids."
*
www.geocities.com/Finchfic
chris and steph
when I killfiled anything from Brandon quite a while back. Glad to see I'm not
the only one.
Stephanie :)
Brandon Ray
Kimberly wrote:
> <bed...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > For fuck's sake, Brandon! This is inappropriate. You guys work this
> > shit out and keep the rest of us out of it!
> >
> > beduini - looking for FIC TO READ
>
> AMEN! It's evident Brandon has a problem with Laurie personally, and he's
> just bringing it to a public forum. For his own sick and twisted reasons.
>
> Like I said before, if Laurie said Black, Fred would say white. And it's so
> beyond predictable it's not even faintly amusing anymore.
Actually, that's not correct. I have publicly disagreed with Laurie on two
occasions recently. Many other times -- FAR more times than I have ever
disagreed with her-- I have agreed with her.
You're right that she has now managed to offend me -- by sending me abusive
email in response to a polite request concerning her archive. And I have to
disagree with Beduini that my post here was inappropriate. If this exchange
had been a strictly private matter, I would agree. But when a major archivist
is abusive of the authors she archives, that's a matter we *all* should be
concerned about, and that other authors should be aware of.
I know of two other fanfic authors who, in the very recent past, have been
abused by Laurie Haynes in the same way I was. To me, that says it's a
pattern, and people who do business with her have a right to be aware of it.
She should not be able to repeatedly flame people in private messages, while
presenting a nicey-nice face to the public, and be allowed to get away with
it.
>
> And Fred? Don't bother replying, I sure the hell wouldn't bother to read
> that or anything else by you.
That's certainly your perogative. I don't feel I can take that out, however.
I started this thread, and I feel I have to read the responses -- even the
negative ones.
>
>
> Kimberly - who like Beduini, just wants the fic, not all of this bullshit.
--
MaraKara
>I hereby promise to change my ways and from now on share every single private
>argument I have right here on this newsgroup and I hope that all of you will
>join me. NOT because we want certain lists or archives to crash and burn for
>our own obvious personal selfish vendettas -- no, no ... this is for the
>"good"
>of the community.
Dammit, now there is soda all over my keyboard.
Take Care
Mara
---------
"Do you believe in the afterlife?"
"I'd settle for a life in this one."
----------
"I'm not gonna waste the perfect comeback on you now. But don't think I don't
have it. Oh yes, its time will come!"
----------
"Fire bad, tree pretty."
lee burwasser
> <snip>
> And, gee, I don't think someone can "wear their own ass as a hat", can they? I
> mean, I'm just not sure if that's physically possible.
[[ snip ]]
I think it's a creative approach to telling someone s/he has his/her head up
his/her ass. Different, anyway. Have to remember that, thanx.
Lee Burwasser
*woring stiff--don't blame me for policy*
lee burwasser
WickdZoot
>Dammit, now there is soda all over my keyboard.
>
>Take Care
>Mara
>
>
>---------
>"Do you believe in the afterlife?"
>"I'd settle for a life in this one."
>----------
>"I'm not gonna waste the perfect comeback on you now. But don't think I don't
>have it. Oh yes, its time will come!"
>----------
>"Fire bad, tree pretty."
>
>
>
>
>
Oh, God, yes, mine too. Fortunately, I'm at work.
zoot
"Scully has sex" is a sentence, not a plot. - Justin
Kipler
blue Stratego pieces on the board. "Okay, Teena, this round's for the kids." >>
ROFLOL!
Is this yours, Amanda, or did you quote someone?
--Kipler
Shannara
<shan...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>But there's one thing you all should know. Taking it public might
>have been questionable, but the information is completely
>factual, and I have my own set of e-mails to prove it. Also,
>while Brandon may have had disagreements with her before, I had
>gone through NO disputes with the list moderator in question
>before a few weeks ago. In fact, she had specifically invited me,
>as an author, to re-join her lists late last year. It wasn't
>until I offered a friendly suggestion/critique of her web site
>design last month that the vitriol began.
>
>This is not simply the result of a private dispute.
>
>Shannon
*Sigh* I guess some people just have to insist that their
private problems be dragged out in public
Truth is, Shannon INSISTED I remove the music from my
websites -- though I pointed out there are mirror versions
available. That wasn't good enough. She insisted I make my
primary domains point to the non-music versions.
I shook my head and rolled my eyes and politely suggested
that if she didn't like the way I do my websites, then she
should build her own. Her reply was that it was too much
work to maintain one.
I offer a large archive to house the writers on XFC or other
authors who might like to be archived. I archive no one
without permission (it's in the XFC FAQ that stories posted
to the list are automatically archived there unless someone
says not to.) I still don't understand why Brandon is
publicly attacking me. The only thing I can figure is
because I critiqued a story of his in the XFC feedback list
and on The Haven fic board. I have apologized, but I guess
that's not sufficient. I do have Brandon killfiled now, but
I am well aware that he has been posting his vitriol about
me, so is it any wonder that I lash back out -- privately at
him in response to his email? This is all I have to say on
the matter. There is no reason to subject the rest of ATXC
to a private dispute between Brandon and me.
Atticus
<bows humbly>
Would anyone else honestly claim a line like that? <g>
(You'll be seeing a new one next week.)
Amanda
++++++++++++
T H E B A D B O T T O M L I N E:
Feeling flush with the competitive spirit, Bill Mulder feverishly placed his
blue Stratego pieces on the board. "Okay, Teena, this round's for the kids."
viole...@my-deja.com
shannaraS...@xemplary.commanding wrote:
There is no reason to subject the rest of ATXC
> to a private dispute between Brandon and me.
>
>
And I *definitely* don't want to get in the middle of one, but just
fyi, and not singling your site out at all, I'm not a fan of music on
sites, either. It makes them slow to load, and it makes it REALLY hard
to pretend you're drafting pleadings while you're really surfing the
net. Boss, if you're reading this -- let's all *sing*...
shannono
> Truth is, Shannon INSISTED I remove the music from my
> websites -- though I pointed out there are mirror versions
> available. That wasn't good enough. She insisted I make my
> primary domains point to the non-music versions.
>
> I shook my head and rolled my eyes and politely suggested
> that if she didn't like the way I do my websites, then she
> should build her own. Her reply was that it was too much
> work to maintain one.
*shaking head, rolling eyes*
This is all bullshit.
Here is the exact copy of the section of my original message to
Laurie that regarded her sites' design:
==========
I do have one other request/question, while I have your
attention. <g> Many, MANY of us are having troubles with the main
Xemplary and IMTP pages. They're graphics-heavy, for one thing,
which makes them a problem for people who aren't lucky enough to
have DSL or cable modem access. That's not *so* bad, because they
do load (albeit slowly). The *real* problem seems to be the
automatic pop-up music. I know several people whose browsers
crash completely whenever they try to access either of these
pages -- which, of course, means they never go to either.
I know you have alternate URLs without the music, but I think it
would be much more helpful to most of us if the *primary* URL had
the music as an option instead. Put up a rather prominent banner
for the "music pick of the week" or whatever and let us *choose*
to open it, rather than having it come up automatically. I know
I'd appreciate it, and I know quite a few others who would as
well. And your hits would likely take a jump, too. I know I would
visit more often.
Just a suggestion. :)
==========
How is this "insisting" anything? When Laurie replied by saying
that "everyone" liked the music, I pointed out that I know *no
one* who likes it, and that the secondary sites without music
still caused problems, because navigating through the site using
the links provided returns you to the music page. All of the
"home" links on the sub-pages direct back to the primary archive
page. I discovered this while trying to search for my stories on
the site.
My suggestion was just that. I never "insisted" that she change
the setup -- as if I could force her to do it anyway. I simply
told her why I don't visit her sites, and why many of my friends
don't visit, and when she got defensive, I restated my reasons.
Silly me for thinking a site admin might have some concern over
people avoiding her sites, and for suggesting a solution.
Regarding the question of running my own archive: what Laurie
"suggested" was that if I didn't like her archive, I should open
my own and run it as I see fit. I replied that I *had* run my own
archive, but because I could no longer run it in a user-friendly
manner, I chose to give it up. I never said it was "too much
work"; it was simply work I chose to give up in favor of other
options.
For the record: I requested more than a year ago that my stories
at Xemplary be changed over to my correct author name. This has
yet to be done. Three and a half weeks ago, after enduring a
gradually more abusive set of e-mails, I requested that they be
removed entirely. This also has yet to be done.
Shannon
Shannara
wrote:
I know, some people prefer not to have music. Quite all
right. That's why there are mirror sites without it.
Brandon Ray
Shannara wrote:
>
>
> I offer a large archive to house the writers on XFC or other
> authors who might like to be archived. I archive no one
> without permission (it's in the XFC FAQ that stories posted
> to the list are automatically archived there unless someone
> says not to.) I still don't understand why Brandon is
> publicly attacking me. The only thing I can figure is
> because I critiqued a story of his in the XFC feedback list
> and on The Haven fic board. I have apologized, but I guess
> that's not sufficient. I do have Brandon killfiled now, but
> I am well aware that he has been posting his vitriol about
> me, so is it any wonder that I lash back out -- privately at
> him in response to his email? This is all I have to say on
> the matter. There is no reason to subject the rest of ATXC
> to a private dispute between Brandon and me.
Laurie, this is utter nonsense. I have no problem with you not liking
a story I wrote. I saw your message, I thought about it, and decided
I didn't agree with your criticism. End of incident.
What I am complaining about is your rude and obnoxious behavior. I
have posted my messages to you -- I will agree that the second one was
a little edgy, but YOURS were full of abuse. Will you give me
permission to post your messages here, side by side with my own? If
not, why not? What have you got to hide?
Folks, this is not just a personal matter between myself and Laurie.
She has attacked a number of people in private, while maintaining her
polite public persona -- and now she is simply distorting what went on
in those private exchanges, in order to make herself look better,
while refusing to allow anyone to show you what she's like in private.
I will repeat my previous warning: If you do business with Laurie
Haynes, you are risking that she will suddenly turn on you. ALL I DID
was ask her to remove half a dozen stories from her archive. Her
response was full of "vitriol", to use her words, and when I objected
to that, I got even more in return. This happened to other people
before me; to my shame, I did nothing about it. Now she has turned
her abuse on me, and I'm trying to let folks know about it. I do want
to thank those who have contacted me privately with messages of
support. It's meant a lot.
Kipler
presenting a nicey-nice face to the public, and be allowed to get away with
it. >>
But Brandon, if she repeatedly flames people in private messages, I'm pretty
sure all the flame victims are fully aware of it, and therefore no one's
"getting away with" anything. Everyone has to live with the reputation they
create, and this woman's e-mail manners must be obvious to everyone who
corresponds with her.
On the other hand, if she *hasn't* privately flamed enough people to create a
stir, then I'm guessing whatever e-mail you got is a reflection of the
obviously flawed relationship you two have. In which case, it's not a matter
of public safety or author-protection, and it hardly needs to be brought into
the larger community.
--Kipler, who promises she won't say any more about this...
Brandon Ray
Kipler wrote:
On the other hand, when you think you're the only one, you can start to feel
pretty isolated. Just knowing that other people are in the same boat can be very
helpful. I'm sorry if it doesn't seem that way to you. But bullies can get away
with an awfully lot when they have privacy. Not so much when they have light shed
upon their activities.
shannono
this information public, and I told him so last night. I also
told him to expect flames for it, and of course I was right about
that.
DBKate
Hey folks! Want to see the email wars I've had with "major archivists" over the
years? I've been having them since 1995, so trust me when I say I've got some
*doozies.* Here, let me pull out my 5 mg "File of Flames" and give you the
best ones.
Aww, here's one from '97 when I pulled all my fic off of the first of the ten
archives I left. Wow, look at all the exclaimation points on this baby!
And, gee, I don't think someone can "wear their own ass as a hat", can they? I
mean, I'm just not sure if that's physically possible.
<tossing note over shoulder>
Oh, oh, oh -- here's one from a list owner I had a huge battle with in '96.
Check out the potty mouth on this bad boy! I'd better warn my former list sibs
about him!
Oh wait ... he left the fandom in '97. Never mind.
<going through hundreds of emails>
Darn, how amiss it's been of me not to share these horrors with y'all over the
years. What a great disservice I've done to the community by keeping these to
myself, when I could have saved the poor, dumb innocents of ATXC from those
evil folks who've dared to disagree with me and by doing so, proving beyond all
doubt they are dangerous to the fandom at large.
My bad ... my definite bad.
I hereby promise to change my ways and from now on share every single private
argument I have right here on this newsgroup and I hope that all of you will
join me. NOT because we want certain lists or archives to crash and burn for
our own obvious personal selfish vendettas -- no, no ... this is for the "good"
of the community.
So, please, everyone ... let's see those wars!
Cuz Lord knows there's just too much darned fic to read around here.
DBKate
Atticus
<snippage>
<<And, gee, I don't think someone can "wear their own ass as a hat", can they?
I
mean, I'm just not sure if that's physically possible.>>
<laughing maniacally> Hey, DBK... I'm certain that my father has worn his own
ass as a hat for *years*. So physically impossible, yes, but really the only
plausible explanation for the attitudes of some people.
However, I think it would be hard for you to read and write around here if you
were, you know, actually wearing your own ass as a hat. I think this would be
a great fic title! Your Own Ass As a Hat... Who's up for a fanfic challenge?
<snippage of great hilarity>
<<So, please, everyone ... let's see those wars!
Cuz Lord knows there's just too much darned fic to read around here.>>
Thanks DBK... I needed that. <wanders off in search of coffee>
Rene Carson-Campbell
are, who to avoid, and more importantly, I couldn't care less. What is evident
to me is that this is a private matter that should have remained private.
I would think Ms Haynes is refusing to allow you to post the e-mails because
they are =private.= No one is asking you to police the archives. To be
honest, I doubt that anyone here cares and if they did, judging from your
behavior in this thread, you would probably be the last person they would call
on to do it.
Please take this off the newsgroup and back to private e-mail where it belongs.
Share the e-mails in private with people who are intersted in reading them,
but please spare the rest of us.
You asked Ms Haynes to allow you to post her e-mail here, she refused. We have
all been warned about Ms Haynes. Your work here is done. Move on. I'm tired
of listening to you whine about how unfair the situation is when you created
it. Take it like a man and shut up already.
Did you honestly think anyone on this newsgroup would condone the posting of
private e-mail?
I'm off to find something to read, which is the real reason I come here.
**********
Why is it called a daring feat when
someone does something unbelievably stupid?
SciNut
I'm probably going to regret this later but I'm undergoing stress at work so...
>For the record: I requested more than a year ago that my stories
>at Xemplary be changed over to my correct author name. This has
>yet to be done. Three and a half weeks ago, after enduring a
>gradually more abusive set of e-mails, I requested that they be
>removed entirely. This also has yet to be done.
Now, this is just my opinion, but an archivist's responsibility is to the
authors first and the reader second. If there's been a change in email address,
and we're notified of that, then the appropriate changes should be made in a
timely fashon so that feedback is sent to a current and functioning email
address. If an author requests for a work to be removed, then it should be
removed - no questions asked and no comment made. It is by the will of the
author alone that these stories are here in the first place and it is by the
wish of the author that a work be archived or not.
How long ago was it that a lengthy discussion of LINKING to a story without the
author's permission was done here? I believe some authors now note where and if
to archive a story.
Wether an author has personal issues with an archivist or not, for whatever
reason a request is made to remove a story - that request MUST be honored.
Authors intrust their works to us (the archivist) to protect it however
possible and if that trust means the removal of a work then we are obligated to
remove it.
SciNut(O'tay!)
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Caer_Ibormeith
Mark me down as someone who doesn't like the music on any main website
design.
Why?
1. Takes too long to download the music and has been known to crash my
cruiser (cruiser=browser).
2. I'm already listening to tunes on my headphones.
3. Xemplary already takes a while to download, even at 42000-56000 bps.
4. It's annoying to have to wait to go to the mirrored site and wait for it
to download as well.
So I don't select Xemplary as a primary source for stories. End of story.
Vote with your mouse, people, if you don't like the website design!
C_I
bugs
shannaraS...@xemplary.commanding wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:49:57 GMT, viole...@my-deja.com
> wrote:
>
> >In article <ajovrso4nhu3i6ie0...@4ax.com>,
> > shannaraS...@xemplary.commanding wrote:
> >> to a private dispute between Brandon and me.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >fyi, and not singling your site out at all, I'm not a fan of music on
> >sites, either. It makes them slow to load, and it makes it REALLY
hard
> >to pretend you're drafting pleadings while you're really surfing the
> >net. Boss, if you're reading this -- let's all *sing*...
> >
> >
> I know, some people prefer not to have music. Quite all
> right. That's why there are mirror sites without it.
Unfortunately, it's necessary to go to the non-mirrored site first to
click on the 'No Music' option. Sort of like trying to reach in through
a whirling lawnmower blade to remove that bit of string.
In my mind, and this goes for *all* websites, function over form. First,
because your idea of beautiful form might be another person's cringe.
Second, people are on the web because they want information and they
want it quickly.
Particularly when visiting a story archive, I'm there to quickly grab a
story I'm looking for, or to cruise through the listings to find some
reading material. That means I want stories, not graphics. -- bugs, who
realizes these are radical concepts, if the webpages of some big money
companies are any proof.
viole...@my-deja.com
bugs <bugs...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately, it's necessary to go to the non-mirrored site first to
> click on the 'No Music' option. Sort of like trying to reach in
through
> a whirling lawnmower blade to remove that bit of string.
>
> In my mind, and this goes for *all* websites, function over form.
First,
> because your idea of beautiful form might be another person's cringe.
> Second, people are on the web because they want information and they
> want it quickly.
>
> Particularly when visiting a story archive, I'm there to quickly grab
a
> story I'm looking for, or to cruise through the listings to find some
> reading material. That means I want stories, not graphics. -- bugs,
who
> realizes these are radical concepts, if the webpages of some big money
> companies are any proof.
>
> http://urw.simplenet.com/bugs
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Bugs, I *do* love you.... :-)
The Morrigan
kip...@aol.com (Kipler) wrote:
>
> ... if she repeatedly flames people in private messages, I'm pretty
> sure all the flame victims are fully aware of it, and therefore no
one's
> "getting away with" anything.
I haven't been flamed by her, myself, but damn! I know enough
people who've complained privately about the kind of antics Brandon's
describing. I've gotten the impression she's a hard person to get along
with. Maybe Brandon had just had enough this time and something had to
blow, you know?
M.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Everything possible to be believed is an image of truth.
- William Blake
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Trvlgk
>they are =private.= No one is asking you to police the archives. To be
>honest, I doubt that anyone here cares and if they did, judging from your
>behavior in this thread, you would probably be the last person they would
>call
>on to do it.
>
As an avid fan fic reader who admires greatly the talents of both Brandon Ray
and ShannonO, I have to disagree with the quote listed above. I am much more
inclined to trust them in this issue, and to listen any warnings regarding this
or any other topic as it pertains to fan fic.
I would like to take this opportunity to thank both Brandon and Shannon for
going public. I am one of the many readers who automactically exit the music
whenever I access Xemplary. I was not aware there were alterantive sites
availiable. This is most likely due to the fact that I rarely visited it due to
the inconvienence of the music pop-ups.
Ms Haynes should have accepted Shannon's comments as constructive critisism and
responded in a more appropriate manner. That she would be so nasty to the very
people she should be most greatful is very disturbing. Again, I have only
Brandon and Shannon's word to go on becuse Ms Haynes refuses to allow her
emails to be displayed in public.
Maybe she has something to hide?
Tessa
TrexPhile
>
>In my mind, and this goes for *all* websites, function over form. First,
>because your idea of beautiful form might be another person's cringe.
>Second, people are on the web because they want information and they
>want it quickly.
>
>Particularly when visiting a story archive, I'm there to quickly grab a
>story I'm looking for, or to cruise through the listings to find some
>reading material. That means I want stories, not graphics. -- bugs, who
>realizes these are radical concepts, if the webpages of some big money
>companies are any proof.
I totally agree. Which is why, when I had a friend set up my fic site, I
asked her to use a plain background, one .jpg on the main page and two
links -- one to my Trekfic, the other to my XFic. And NO HTMLed stories --
just plain text. She was happy to oblige and, though my fic site may be
"boring" to view, it accomplishes what I intended -- allows the reader
quick and easy access to my stories.
Yes, some of those sites out there are pretty and original. And some are
cluttered and frustrating. Since I have only a dial-up connection with a
middlin' speed, I appreciate those sites where I can get to the stories
quickly.
Just my opinion.
TrexPhile
http://www.northco.net/sheri
GT Chic
Rene Carson-Campbell
newsgroup has been thoroughly and properly warned about Ms Haynes and Xemplary.
What more is there to say? Aside from all the people Ms Haynes has wronged
coming forward and giving their testimonials? What would that accomplish? How
much does a pound of flesh weigh?
Everyone who has read this thread now knows that if you wish to deal with
Xemplary, you must deal with Ms Haynes, which may or may not be a good
situation. Let the buyer beware. I'm not disputing that Brandon may have a
legitimate complaint, but it's with a private archive that is not in any way
answerable to alt.tv.x-files.creative.
I have yet to see one person come forward and declare their desire to read Ms
Haynes' private e-mail to Brandon. Granted, I could have missed such a post,
which is highly possible when you consider the other ongoing newsgroup war.
If people are requesting to see the e-mails privately, that might be another
story, and even more so appropriate. Don't you think the heat on this
newsgroup is high enough already without this issue igniting any further? We
all know that Brandon has abusive e-mail from Ms Haynes. He has shown a
willingness to post them here which I think demonstrates that he has some
proof. I truly can't imagine how spreading them out here for all to read is
going to make this situation better.
An unpleasant situation has been exposed. We know. We've been warned. We'll
govern ourselves accordingly in the future. It's now time to move on. Go read
some fanfic and send the writer feedback. :)
Kimberly
While I can more than appreciate the fact that you may not may not like
certain aspects of Xemplary, I know of very few archives that put the time
and effort into arching all of the stories that housed there. It's a general
submission site, it's up to you if you want it to be there or not.
For those of you who have archives of your own, you can appreciate that you
try to do the best you can with the idea that you have, and hope that people
like it.
You are never going to please everyone all the time, and if you do mores the
better.
And if you think that the folks there are not doing the site to accommodate
your needs, than you have the choice to make up one of your own, or to visit
the many other sites out there. I know with my site, people get bogged down
with all the pictures, but alas, I have a links section where you can find
many more sites that are graphics free, or damn close.
It's just like with fic, there is an audience for everything, you just have
to find the one that suites you and your set.
I've already spoke my peace the apparent issues that Fred has. If there are
more of you, and I really haven't seen any except for Ginger and a few folks
who said they have heard things. If you have felt insulted take it up with
the management over at Xemplary. If she hasn't removed your stories then you
have a complaint. If you don't like her attitude then you have this
wonderful invention on your keyboard called a delete key, use it at will.
I don't think there is an archivist out there who wouldn't tell you that
they rely on the kindness of the authors who are gracious enough to grant
permission and have you house them. Personally, I've never heard anything
but good things about the folks at Xemplary, and this thread has done
nothing to change my opinion.
Kimberly
Shannara
>>It's a general
>>submission site, it's up to you if you want it to be there or not.
>
>>If she hasn't removed your stories then you
>>have a complaint.
>
>Requests for removal of works should be honored as soon as possible and I think
>a good step at this time for the folks at Xemplary would be to remove any story
>which an author has requested to be removed. The fanfic ain't ours fellow
>archivists... and when an author says I changed my mind, please don't archive
>it means don't archive it. It takes a lot of courage to post a story out here
>(or on a mailing list) in the first place. I am greatful every single time I
>get a submission and doublely so when I'm allowed to archive it.
>
>I would hate to see authors develop a mistrust of *all* archivsts and so
>believe correcting this situation regarding removal would prevent it.
>
>JMHO.
>
>
>SciNut(O'tay!)
>host EMXC
>To join the E-Mail Xfiles Creative mailing list:
>email: emxc-su...@egroups.com
>http://members.nbci.com/emxc
>
>"The critical mind is the creative mind." - David Duchovny
All removal requests are being honored -- as always. There
may be broken links for these things still up, but they'll
vanish when we complete our update coming in a few days.
Don't be too quick to believe everything you hear from
certain people with some strange grudge.
SciNut
Trvlgk
I'm glad that you could appreciate my opinion, but let me say this.I believe
the fan fic community owes both Brandon and Shannon a debt of gratitude for
having the courage to go public and expose Ms Haynes. Not everyone in this
community disagrees with their actions. I applaud them and encourage them to
continue with their efforts.
Again, THANK GOD FOR BRANDON AND SHANNON!!!!!!!!!
Tessa
SIRPAUL10
>.I believe
>the fan fic community owes both Brandon and Shannon a debt of gratitude for
>having the courage to go public and expose Ms Haynes.
All it has done is make the authors look like petty and vindictive fools.
Xemplary is a popular and well maintained fiction site the allows readers
timely access to stories.
Trying to please several hundred archived authors, who each think that they
have the right to demand immediate satisfaction, is more work than most people
would be willing to do.
Kronos
disturbed that it has been brought to this forum, even though I understand
the motivations. I still believe it should cease immediately.
This is merely my opinion, of course, but sometimes, being right or wrong
about something is not as important as the way you discuss whether you are
right or wrong. I believe, with every ounce of my being, that this is not
the right way.
Christina
Rene Carson-Campbell
Tessa, if you feel so strongly about the situation at Xemplary, might I suggest
you simply boycott them in the future? I suppose we could all post BOO HISS to
Ms Haynes' posts in the future, shun her, flame her, stone her, or, perhaps all
the writers archived at Xemplary can take a stand and demand that all their
stories be removed. All those things seem extreme to me. Not only are they
hurting themselves, but the people who want to read their stories.
Brandon, in my opinion only, had a personal complaint against Xemplary and Ms
Haynes and chose to air that complaint in an open forum that has 1) no power to
regulate said archive, 2) no affiliation with said archive.
I wouldn't have had near the problem with the situation had Brandon done
nothing more than that. There is a vast difference between someone wishing to
inform the public of a problem situation that can impact a large group of
people and badgering someone by demanding that they allow them to post their
private correspondence as proof of their claims.
Brandon spoke out about a situation that has the potential to be a serious
problem. A few people came forward to validate his claims. I see no reason to
anoint anyone for sainthood for this.
Trvlgk
>problem. A few people came forward to validate his claims. I see no reason
>to
>anoint anyone for sainthood for this.
I can appreciate your point, but it has not changed my opinion on this matter.
Again, THANK GOD FOR BRANDON AND SHANNON!!!!!!!
Tessa
Tesla
Poor Gossamer is too backed up, etc....so I'm grateful for the archivists
who summarize and categorize the stories.
And since I don't write to be archived, I'm not sucking up.
I write just for fun and stress relief. Feedback is nice, archiving is nice,
but if I wanted real gratification and my name well known, I would have
pursued my real life writing career. However, I went to the Dark Side and
law school.
Tesla,
currently stuck on WIP
and whose Mother-in-law thinks "Devil's Advocate" is a documentary.
--
"Some days it just doesn't pay to chew through the restraints."--Anonymous