This explains a lot...
Tim Scott
to Bar Association statistics, 93% of all the lawyers in the United States live
in California.
Sheesh.
No wonder we're so FUBARed all the time!
Tim
"I just wish I could find a fish who wasn't afraid of my dark chocolate layer."
-- Jack Taylor in ONE FINE DAY
alyxstarr
<dra...@airmonitor.com> wrote:
>Tim Scott wrote:
>>
>> I just met a fellow in the paralegal profession today. He
says that, according
>> to Bar Association statistics, 93% of all the lawyers in the
United States live
>> in California.
>>
>> Sheesh.
>>
>> No wonder we're so FUBARed all the time!
>
the
>last
>census.)
Now it's over 270 million (unofficially, of course, until they
tabulate the 2000 census). Isn't it scary that our country has
increased by 30 million people in 2 years?
>
>Figure...what, 5% of people are lawyers? That's 4.8 million,
right?
>
>(2.4 million is 10%, times deaux is 4.8...)
*scratches head at Dawson's math*
I won't even get into the wrongness of that whole calculation. ;P
(For the record, 5% would be more like 12 million.) But
regardless, according to the stats I've found, only about 0.2% of
the population are lawyers -- about 700,000.
>There are 17 million people in California as of the last census.
*snip*
>There are approximately 100,000 people in Califorina jails,
>prisons, etc.
Criminals and lawyers aren't necessarily mutually exclusive... ;P
*snip more data that I would assume is accurate*
>6,306,880 left.
See, plenty of room for *all* the lawyers in the US. But
according to the CA Bar website, there are only about 130,000.
(Which would be about 0.7% of CA population, and would account
for about 20% of all lawyers, for anyone who was wondering.)
>Assuming each person knows 50 people, or knows enough *about*
>50 people in his or her life to be aware of what they do for
>a living, then each California resident should know
approximately
>18 lawyers. (~20% slop factor for two people knowing the same
>person.)
>
>I know one.
>Annie knows two. I know one of those two.
>
>THIS is how we lie with statistics. :)
With these adjusted stats, only about every third person would
know an attorney. So you guys are ahead of the game. ;)
Of course, that still doesn't explain the 93% ...
>Tim, what I think your friend meant to say is that 93% of all
>TRIAL lawyers are licensed to the bar in California. THIS is
>a statistic that makes sense, since such a small overall
>percentage of lawyers ever see the inside of a courtroom...
You're probably right, Dawson. That makes a lot more sense.
-Meghan (who, scarily enough, actually enjoyed doing this brief
research and making those frivolous computations ;P)
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Dawson Rambo
>
> I just met a fellow in the paralegal profession today. He says that, according
> to Bar Association statistics, 93% of all the lawyers in the United States live
> in California.
>
> Sheesh.
>
> No wonder we're so FUBARed all the time!
That can't be right. 240 million people in the US (thumbnail off the
last
census.)
Figure...what, 5% of people are lawyers? That's 4.8 million, right?
(2.4 million is 10%, times deaux is 4.8...)
There are 17 million people in California as of the last census.
-200,000 undocumented aliens that could not practice law in the US.
16,800,000 million people left.
Of those, approximately 30% are under the age of 18.
30% of 16,800,000 is 5,004,000.
16,800,000 - 5,004,000 = 11,796,000 people.
There are approximately 100,000 people in Califorina jails,
prisons, etc.
11,696,000 people left.
California has:
210,000 police officers
320,100 doctors (MDs)
209,000 State employees (bus drivers, etc.)
69,020 Firefighters
451,000 (or so) technical employees (programmers, etc.)
For a total of
-----------
1,259,120 employees that are not lawyers.
Of the above job descriptions, figure they all require a
10% administrative overhead. (Ie, 1 admin person for
each 10 cops, 1 for each 10 doctors, etc.)
126,000, give or take.
10,306,880 people left.
California has ~4,000,000 people over age 65.
6,306,880 left.
Assuming each person knows 50 people, or knows enough *about*
50 people in his or her life to be aware of what they do for
a living, then each California resident should know approximately
18 lawyers. (~20% slop factor for two people knowing the same
person.)
I know one.
Annie knows two. I know one of those two.
THIS is how we lie with statistics. :)
Tim, what I think your friend meant to say is that 93% of all
TRIAL lawyers are licensed to the bar in California. THIS is
a statistic that makes sense, since such a small overall
percentage of lawyers ever see the inside of a courtroom...
;)
Daws
Tim Scott
Nigeria...? <eg>
Kipler
Yeesh! Could this possibly be true!?
Not a single person in my extended family is a lawyer. I think I know a single
person (from both online and RL worlds) who is married to a lawyer... and
that's it.
--Kipler, hoping that 5% is a gigantic overrepresentation...
elizab...@my-deja.com
I envy you, Kipler. ;-)
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Before you buy.
Kipler
the population are lawyers -- about 700,000. >>
Phew!
--Kipler, much relieved...
Kai Nikulainen
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> I just met a fellow in the paralegal profession today. He says that,
according
> to Bar Association statistics, 93% of all the lawyers in the United States
live
> in California.
That'd probably mean something like 50% of the lawyers in the world...
Kaitsu
trajan
Trajan
Kim
>"Tim Scott" <tscot...@aol.comNOSPAM> kirjoitti viestissä
>news:20000608194548...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
>> I just met a fellow in the paralegal profession today. He says that,
>according
>> to Bar Association statistics, 93% of all the lawyers in the United States
>live
>> in California.
That doesn't sound right at all. California is definitely number one, but I
don't think it's 93% of attorneys, by any stretch. Other states with lots of
lawyers are New York, Texas and Illinois.
>
>That'd probably mean something like 50% of the lawyers in the world...
>
>Kaitsu
The United States has a lot more lawyers than the rest of the world.
*~*~*~*~*~*
Kim
Journ...@aol.com
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"I'm in your hands." Skinner, The X-Files, SR819
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Kim
>advertising, so say what you will. I've heard it all and I laugh
>harder than most.
>
>Are you so humorless that you don't even get the pun?? I thought it
>was quite clever, myself.
>
>Trajan
Isn't that special!
I'd congratulate you on your peerless sense of humor but I see you've already
done so.
Binah
news:394433B8...@optonline.net...
: I belong to the biggest butt-wipe profession on the planet:
: advertising, so say what you will. I've heard it all and I laugh
: harder than most.
:
: Are you so humorless that you don't even get the pun?? I thought it
: was quite clever, myself.
:
: Trajan
Big ha-ha.
I know lawyers who get tired of lawyer jokes, outside of this forum which 2
have already chimed in their displeasure. I know fat people who don't
REALLY like fat jokes (though they'll pretend for the moment). I bet
physically handicapped people aren't quite as amused by cripple jokes as
they might lead you to believe. (Those kinds of jokes are usually only
funny if the affected one is telling them.)
And I'll tell ya, even blondes get tired of blonde jokes.
Just because people can brush off the occasional rude comment doesn't mean
they have the ability to ignore them continually forever.
Perhaps you're superwoman, but much of the rest of us eventually get pissed
off. Especially when joking about one's chosen profession or a piece of
fanfic an author has worked very hard on. You may think it is funny, but
please keep in mind that others may be more tenderhearted than yourself.
--
Binah
XFW #1013 ggg
Girlie Mafiosa X2K
========================================================================
MST3K Movie dialogue: "The good die first."
Tom: "But most of us are morally ambiguous, which explains our random
dying patterns."
Tesla
Tes, who is a public defender deep in debt and driving a used car.
--
"Some days it just doesn't pay to chew through the restraints."--Anonymous
Tesla
Just for the record, the paralegal wildly misquoted you the stat on lawyers.
From one who makes up the percentage in Alabama. I went to the ABA site to
verify this, but forgot to bookmark it.
And I was a paralegal once, myself, come to think about it, before I decided
to make sure I would never make any money and go to law school to be
a....public defender.
Tes
Tim Scott
trajan
Binah wrote:
>
> Big ha-ha.
Thank you.
>
> Perhaps you're superwoman,
(Thank you again)
but much of the rest of us eventually get pissed
> off.
OK, everyone: who's really, REALLY pissed off?? Everybody raise your
hands! (Don't you mean "most" of the rest of us??)
Especially when joking about one's chosen profession or a piece of
> fanfic an author has worked very hard on.
I have never joked about fan fic. I may argue up to a point, but
never viciously. (Check the records, barrister!) Not that I haven't
wanted to, but it's hard to construct a good joke using both
"professions" and "fan fic."
You may think it is funny, but
> please keep in mind that others may be more tenderhearted than yourself.
The respondent to my teasing comments, tenderhearted? I hardly think
so. However, your ire is so noted. On the other hand I, a paragon of
sensitivity, have been known to burst into tears during commercials on
the Weather Channel.
Oh frabjous day, calloo callay! I'm so excited! I must really be a
part of this group now that I'm the target of censure. I shall so
mark my calendar. This is the first even vaguely sarcastic comment
I've made in this (or any other) ng in the year or so that I've been
here. (Wonder what would happen if I routinely went postal
here...oops, apologies to the many fine Postal Service employees in
this august group, whoever you may be.)
I'm flattered that you single out my generally mild-mannered self
rather than the teeming hordes of delightful flame throwers riddling
the turf. ("Take that, you back-stabbing literary vulgarian! No,
varlet, stand and draw your critical weaponry, piddling though it may
be! My most tenderhearted sentiments shall shield my narrative
voice...What? You did you see that? Yon scalawag dared comment on my
day job, even though I stand here naked waving it in the breeze!
Begone with thy blasphemous billingsgate, you character assassin! You
make a ludicrous laughing stock of my most tender parts!! Et cetera,
et cetera, et cetera.)
Finally, to use the all-time favorite flame-ender on this ng: You
have my permission to ignore me at all times. I have my permission,
too. Everyone out there: you may also ignore me at your leisure. For
the record, I'm best ignored on Thursday evenings, and after a good
meal. But never on a Sunday.
Gosh, I'm in a fine mood tonight!!
Regards to all the lawyers, doctors, trash collectors, ad men/women,
homemakers, cat sitters, supermarket baggers, dentists, nurses,
corporals, accountants, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, hedge
fund managers, medieval history professors, teachers, firemen/women,
baby sitters, and the only avocations that have any goddamned
relevance here: the readers and writers--
Trajan
Teddi Litman
trajan wrote:
>
>
> OK, everyone: who's really, REALLY pissed off?? Everybody raise your
> hands! (Don't you mean "most" of the rest of us??)
>
<raises hand> I'm really, REALLY pissed off no one is making
dentist jokes. I just feel so left out. <pout>
Teddi
Kipler
Oh... didn't mean to sound like I was lawyer bashing. But the idea that any
society would be so litigious that 5% of its populace could support themselves
working as lawyers is just plain scary.
(Five percent is a GIGANTIC number!)
--Kipler
cofax
kip...@aol.com (Kipler) wrote:
> Oh... didn't mean to sound like I was lawyer bashing. But the idea
that any
> society would be so litigious that 5% of its populace could support
themselves working as lawyers is just plain scary.
Absolutely, 5% is a lot of people, if that figure is true.
But not all lawyers are involved in litigation. Not even most lawyers
are involved in litigation. Lawyers also do stuff like: help people
buy & sell real estate, write contracts, copyright software, draft
sound legislation, find out what the law means, stop federal agencies
from contaminating the environment, protect the indigent from eviction
or criminal prosecution, develop environmentally-sound land use plans.
Then there are the folks with JDs who do non-legal work. They are
librarians, journalists, politicians, musicians, activists, biologists,
artists, skiers, climbers, owners of bed & breakfasts, winemakers,
actors, comedians, chefs, project managers, engineers, programmers, tv
producers, and, yes, fanfic writers.
later-
c
not ashamed to admit to my JD
--
Seen plenty of clothes that I like but I won't go
anywhere nice for a while, all I want to do is
just sit here, write it all down and rest for a while.
Kim
>dentist jokes. I just feel so left out. <pout>
>
> Teddi
I *love* my dentist. <sniffs NO2> Love him, I say! I can't think of any funny
dentist jokes because I'm simply in awe of how painless and terror-free he made
everything.
Dragan Antulov
Kim wrote in message <20000610120302...@ng-cm1.aol.com>...
>The United States has a lot more lawyers than the rest of the world.
Generally speaking, countries that have Anglo-Saxon Common Law system
(law based primarily on court precedents) have more lawyers per capita
than countries that use Continental Law system (law based primarily on
legislative acts). Although, the difference is not that drastic -
roughly Continentals have 1 lawyer per 1000 inhabitants compared with
Anglosaxons who have 1 lawyer per 700 inhabitants.
Dragan Antulov a.k.a. Drax
(who spent two and half years working in the law office)
Fido: 2:381/100
E-mail: dragan....@st.tel.hr
E-mail: dragan....@altbbs.fido.hr
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Filmske recenzije na hrvatskom/Movie Reviews in Croatian
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Dragan Antulov
Sara Anderson wrote in message
<4%R05.5604$yA5.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...
>Hey look. I am both an attorney and a fan of the X Files. It gets
tiresome
>to hear comments about attorneys that would not be said of any other
group,
>like "get rid of the lawyers". Believe me, the first thing someone who
has
>been arrrested, innocent or guilty, is ask to call an attorney. If
there was
>not a right to have counsel, a lot of inncont people would be in jail.
Also,
>I do not practice criminal law, but I do help people with problems in
real
>estate, contracts, etc. Maybe there are a lot of lawyers, but not all
of us
>are bad.
And may I add few of my personal observations? Lawyers play, more or
less, similar role to doctors in any human society. Both professions owe
its existance to human imperfection. While doctors are needed to remedy
physical shortcomings or natural frailty of human organism, lawyers are
needed because of moral or mental shortcomings of its human beings. As
long as people get sick or hurt, you'll need doctors. As long as people
are dumb or crooked, you'll need lawyers.
And Americans shouldn't view large percentage of lawyers among its
population as something to be ashamed of. That would be equal to viewing
large number of doctors as a symptom of sickness in certain society.
Lawyers, like any other profession, depend on wealth produced in certain
country, and you simply can't expect to see large number of lawyers in
countries and societies which are impoverished or declining. Large
number of lawyers in USA is actually the sign of national strength - it
is natural for America, as world's leading military, economic and
political power in the period of unprecedented prosperity, to have more
lawyers than those countries that don't share America's good fortunes.
DBKate
><raises hand> I'm really, REALLY pissed off no one is making
>dentist jokes. I just feel so left out. <pout>
Ooooh, ooh! I got one! I got one!
THE DENTIST:
A guy and a girl meet at a bar. They start getting along really
well, so a bit later they decide to go to the girl's place for a drink.
A few drinks later, the guy takes off his shirt and washes his hands.
He then takes off his socks and washes his hands.
The girl looks at him and says: 'You must be a dentist!'
Astonished, the guy responds "'Yes, that's amazing
how did you figure that out ?"
The girl replies, "Easy .... you keep washing your hands."
One thing leads to another, they finally migrate to the bed and things
become more passionate. After they're done, the girl says:
'You must be a GREAT dentist!'
The guy is very very surprised and says: 'Yes, I sure am a
great dentist ... How did you figure that out??'
The girl says: 'Easy ... I didn't feel a thing'
----
Ba-da-domp! *ching!*
Kate :-)
----
acid for a new century
THE ACID DESK - June, 2000
http://members.aol.com/dbkate2/acid_11.txt
trajan
>
> Big ha-ha.
Thank you.
>
> Perhaps you're superwoman,
(Thank you again)
but much of the rest of us eventually get pissed
> off.
OK, everyone: who's really, REALLY pissed off?? Everybody raise your
hands! (Don't you mean "most" of the rest of us??)
Especially when joking about one's chosen profession or a piece of
Teddi Litman
DBKate wrote:
> Teddi complains
>
> ><raises hand> I'm really, REALLY pissed off no one is making
> >dentist jokes. I just feel so left out. <pout>
>
> Ooooh, ooh! I got one! I got one!
>
> THE DENTIST:
>
>
LOL! I hadn't heard that one! Really! :)
Teddi
Tesla
newsgroup, but now I send you kisses.
Tes, who keeps telling her mother-in-law that "The Devil's Advocate" was not
a documentary.
Tesla
disliked your comment whiners. Too bad I already read your comments about my
profession.
Just for the hell of it, since I represent indigent defendants in Alabama,
and those of us down here get paid 49th out of the 50 states, I don't think
I'm a leech on the public purse. You may lead a perfectly wonderful life and
never need to consult a lawyer, but I represent the poor, the people who are
discharged from mental hospitals but unable to live anywhere else, crack
babies, juveniles with no parents and no home, elderly people with no
savings and no insurance, mental cases who fling excrement at their
lawyers...Oh, I'm whining. Sorry. Feel free to ignore me.
KassXF
>and those of us down here get paid 49th out of the 50 states, I don't think
>I'm a leech on the public purse. You may lead a perfectly wonderful life and
>never need to consult a lawyer, but I represent the poor, the people who are
>discharged from mental hospitals but unable to live anywhere else, crack
>babies, juveniles with no parents and no home, elderly people with no
>savings and no insurance, mental cases who fling excrement at their
>lawyers...Oh, I'm whining. Sorry. Feel free to ignore me.
>
>--
>"Some days it just doesn't pay to chew through the restraints."--Anonymous
>
>
Good for you. Seriously.
On the lighter side, should I get bent out of shape every time someone makes a
computer geek joke? Just curious, because I work for a company with a software
product that manages prepaid cellular phone services, such as Sprint PCS
prepaid, and I analyze the software errors, write SQL code for reporting and
analysis functions, yadda yadda.
So, technically, I'm a technogeek. I don't have a pocket protector, of course,
but I do have a Dogbert on my monitor.....
<pensively> Lots of jokes about computer geeks and programmers make the
rounds. Maybe I should be more sensitized to them.
kass