X-Files Manages to rip-off TP yet again...
OtisCat
As far as I can tell, Mark Snow has never come close to cribbing Peaks related
music, until tonight's (1/17) episode featuring Agent Skinner in mortal danger.
For those who watched, was it just me (doubtful), or was a variation of
"Laura's Theme" playing throughout the entire episode?
markie & cat
much to list here.
Markie Cola
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EgoistX
>was it just me (doubtful), or was a variation of
>"Laura's Theme" playing throughout the entire episode?
The music was nice and moody and quite Badalamenti-esque. I too noticed it.
Why call it a rip-off? It's not. It's more appropriation or homage than
rip-off. Snow and others would realize some fans would notice.
Wasn't K's disguise particularly BOB-esque as well. Pretty funny. I figured
out it had to be him from the eyes alone.
EgoistX
"It is by will alone that I set my mind in motion. . ." - Mentat Piter de Vries
chr...@ccrtc.com
subdued version of the X Files theme too. Guess he didn't have time that
week for being creative. Never was impressed by his composing anyway.
OtisCat wrote:
>
> ...only this time, in a completely unique way.
> As far as I can tell, Mark Snow has never come close to cribbing Peaks related
> music, until tonight's (1/17) episode featuring Agent Skinner in mortal danger.
> For those who watched, was it just me (doubtful), or was a variation of
Albert
What the hell are you watching the x-files for? It's total garbage!!!
ELEMENTGUY
that until my mom (who I made watch two episodes of TP, the first two, before
she got scared and I had to turn it off) said "Hey, that sound's like that one
song from Twin Peaks..." If she could point it out, it musta been..
ELEMENTGUY
"What the hell kind of two bit operation are they running out of this
treehouse, Cooper?"
http://hometown.aol.com/ELEMENTGUY/tp.html
chr...@ccrtc.com
Especially after it fell out of favor with all the normal pukes.
But Twin Peaks made a subliminal impact on the media, and culture in
general in many ways people don't realize. So has the X-Files.
I watched X-Files from the beginning, before all the hype. You just
can't take it too seriously. So, why don't you explain why you think
X-Files is garbage?
Anony
do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
hebbde gelle nu echt zo'n dikke nekken ???
Albert
line--getting kind of tired of hearing about it. The show might not be
total garbage as I previously mentioned, but it is definitely boring..
Perhaps I was a bit harsh, but when Twin Peaks came out it offered all
of us a chance to think when we watched television instead of mindlessly
watching things being blown up on tv. I tried to watch the X-files last
week, but I had to turn it off. I have absolutely no interest in that
show at all. I did like it during the first two seasons, but now it
just sucks.
Ok, here's the deal, when shows like viper, melrose, and 90210 are off
the air, then we'll talk. Oh great, I bet someone here likes those
shows! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
chr...@ccrtc.com
shows you mentioned) that X-Files is still entertaining. I'm not saying
they haven't done some truly dreadful episodes (they have), but I'd say
that because of X-Files, it's opened the doors to more Sci-Fi & more
risky (& sometimes thought provoking) shows. TV producers are more open
now to the idea of a show that isn't just another sitcom or cop show,
but one that could have strange characters or plotlines.
And Peaks I think did this as well. I do think that X-Files has had it's
run and should end soon.
ELEMENTGUY
better. But in the X-Files, they don't do the same thing over and over again.
That's Twin Peaks, pretty much, but it was handled well, so it came out good.
Except for the season premiere, this season has had no alien stuff. Mulder did
visit Area 51, but it didn't involve aliens, rather a body switch between him
and one of the office workers there. So, it's not really that repititive.
Granted, the movie was just a big money-making scheme, but the X-Files is still
pretty cool. As for Melrose Place and 90201, those shows shoulda been taken off
the air long ago....I mean, if TP bit the dust, how can they go on? =)
doppel...@hotmail.com
<Dontrea...@thatthing.com> wrote:
>are you all that stupid to think something like that ???
(^o^)
>do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
No of course not. We _know_ TP is the base of life, the universe and
everything ;-)
>hebbde gelle nu echt zo'n dikke nekken ???
I know you are but what am I?! ;-)
dooooooooppelcoo...@hooooooootmail.cooooooooom
J'ai une ame solitaire. ATTP FAQ http://www.algonet.se/~manuel/attp/
"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the
courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies
of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off."
doppel...@hotmail.com
> Ok, here's the deal, when shows like viper, melrose, and 90210 are off
>the air, then we'll talk. Oh great, I bet someone here likes those
>shows! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(^_^) You _can't_ be talking about Melrose in it's Peak - around the
second and third season?!? (I think it was), when Michael was bad and
Jane and the other ladies were sexy and the series was pretty damn
funny and entertaining! ...unfortunately it's garbage nowadays.
Which, I'm sure, is what you are refering to...
Robert Thorsen Baker
>
> surely this can be construed as post-modernism, otherwise TP rips off too
> much to list here.
Interesting observation! I'd love to see more of a discussion of
post-modernism in this newsgroup, as Lynch's works easily lend
themselves to such analysis.
However, it seems to me that the X-Files has too often used elements of
other works as if they were fresh, new ideas. This, in my mind, is
closer to infringement than it is to the post-modern pastiche and parody
of Twin Peaks.
Would anyone like to throw in their $0.02?
--Robbbbbb
ELEMENTGUY
to put this? Well, even so, I think the X-Files is pretty cool. Yes, Chris
Carter is a loser, but that can't be helped =)
Densiti
doppel...@hotmail.com wrote in message
<36a4a1ca...@news.algonet.se>...
>On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:33:46 +0100, "Anony"
><Dontrea...@thatthing.com> wrote:
>
>>are you all that stupid to think something like that ???
>
>(^o^)
>
>>do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
>
>No of course not. We _know_ TP is the base of life, the universe and
>everything ;-)
>
*sigh*)
>>hebbde gelle nu echt zo'n dikke nekken ???
>
Just some stupid dutch sentence which doesn't make sense , oh those
cheeseheads from holland , what do they know? Oops! I forgot i'm dutch too!
hm, must be the doppeldensiti trying to take over. (must smash my head into
the monitor I presume to take away the pain?)
>I know you are but what am I?! ;-)
eeeh... doppelcoop? doopelcopper? docpopper? coppeldooper? coopeldooper?
doopercoopel? oppelcoppel? eehh.. doccelpooper? copdopper? doppeldopper?
doccelcoopel? coopelcooper?
Ow, I need some more coffee!!!
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
Albert <No...@nohope.com> wrote:
> What the hell are you watching the x-files for? It's total garbage!!!
Maybe people who watch it don't think the same about that.
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
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marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
"Anony" <Dontrea...@thatthing.com> wrote:
> are you all that stupid to think something like that ???
> do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
I may share what you say, but wouldn't it be best if we got rid of that kind
of harsh judgments on things that are totally subjective anyway?
Alfons
<77vur5$m2j$1...@news1.skynet.be>...
> are you all that stupid to think something like that ???
> do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
I haven't seen the episode, but I do know that XF has a lot in common with
TP, so why couldn't this be the case?
Alfons
EgoistX
>I'd love to see more of a discussion of
>post-modernism in this newsgroup, as Lynch's works easily lend
>themselves to such analysis.
>However, it seems to me that the X-Files has too often used elements of
>other works as if they were fresh, new ideas. This, in my mind, is
>closer to infringement than it is to the post-modern pastiche and parody
I completely disagree with you here. The X-Files is a deconstruction of modern
belief, faith, and truth . It is very much postmodern in its depiction of
these things. The show doesn't take itself as seriously as so many seem to
think - it is very often over the top (that's parody, in some respects).
However, I must admit that I really disliked some of the overly comedic
episodes from this season.
tric...@hotmail.com
(EgoistX) wrote:
X-Files is so incomplete as a work of Post-modernism. All that you said
is true, but the paranoia isn't unlike Modernist Cold War spy/personal
alienation stories. What gets to me, is how *hard* it seems for CC & co.
to balance a moral theme in an episode. That's where the true fragmentation
occurs in po-mo, where individual perspectives challenge the established
order. But Mulder's critique is so narrow, it seems to me that only rarely,
but more so recently, do the shows break with safe tradition by including
morally loaded or socially engaged viewpoints behind the whole
"Secret government betraying our Rights" (which I agree with fully; do a
search for the most recent Executive Orders - you won't know whether
to believe 'em, because they make you feel more paranoid than you'll like).
One word: Chupacabra. That seemed to me the first time that it wasn't
just Chris Carter, good guy, geek, American white male, writing about the
world of paranoia which the fans easily enjoy. And though we can't trust
the details which M&S apparently uncover, Carter's world *is* controlled
composed of what "he" (& the team) put there. The story content doesn't
have an independant life in the world; the ambiguity hinges on secondaries
and surrogates, like aliens. And it's not about much real suffering or passion,
even on a sub-textual level.
The crew, and the writers, have pulled out all the stops BUT ONE, to
bring us exciting variations of their narratives styles. But the show
remains, to my understanding of the terms, trapped in its Modernism,
demonstrating virtuosity by going through all the formal techniques and
referring to all the tv classics (X-Files does I Love Lucy), but not born of a
truly post- "Modernism". Buffy, or Space Ghost, or the Aliens series, without
comparing ultimate quality, each have aspects to their postmodernism that I
do not find in X-Files. That same moral/subtext used to rock Millennium's
world, but then the show plummeted from its Graces like no program I've
ever known in the history of tv..
Does The X-Files even have a sub-text?
Trichome
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that it wasn't
just Chris Carter, good guy, geek, American white male, writing about the
world of paranoia which the fans easily enjoy. >>
Nah. He hardly rights any of the episodes, actually, but I didn't really like
this episode. There are plenty of other non-conspiracy episodes. Humbug (which
stars Michael Anderson who played the LMFAP in TP) was a scary, non-conspiracy
one. Ice. Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose (starring Peter Boyle from Everybody
Loves Raymond or wahetever). War of the Corophages wasn't really a conspiracy
episode. Blood, Darkness Falls, Pusher, Post-Modern Prometheus, Detour,
Kitsengurai (probably got that wrong, but oh well), heck, even this season's
the Ghosts Who Stole Christmas, and the one with the rain guy in it (don't know
the name yet; don't care) were non-conspiracy episodes. Just so you know, Chris
Carter only rights the big ones, just like David Lynch and Mark Frost only
wrote the big episodes of Twin Peaks. (for example, the pilot and the first
episode, to name two). So, if you don't want conspiracy all the time, check out
one of those episodes I listed. Most of 'em are on tape.
Alfons
<19990119065246...@ng14.aol.com>...
>But in the X-Files, they don't do the same thing over and over again.
> That's Twin Peaks, pretty much, but it was handled well, so it came out
good.
I don't understand what you mean? TP did the same thing over and over
again?
Alfons
tori...@my-dejanews.com
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es wrote:
> In article <36A2F1...@nohope.com>,
> Albert <No...@nohope.com> wrote:
>
> > What the hell are you watching the x-files for? It's total garbage!!!
>
> Maybe people who watch it don't think the same about that.
and what if we like garbage? i personally think Steve Marker is very
talented. ;)
> marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
> 'There are 600 weasels with crossbows on the other side!'
but what about the ferrets? ^.^
oh...BTW...marcelo..."kimochi" means "feelings." or a rough
approximation thereof.
sorry for being MIA for so long...'sgood to be back. ^^
chibi-ryo-ohki
ELEMENTGUY
something different every week. In TP, the main thing was they were either
searching for Laura's killer or Windom Earle. Yes, there was a lot of other
stuff going on, which made it interesting and cool, which is what I meant by
handled well. If the X-Files was the continuous thing over and over again, it
would not have survived six seasons.
Arthur Dent
>
>I completely disagree with you here. The X-Files is a deconstruction of
modern
>belief, faith, and truth . It is very much postmodern in its depiction of
>these things. The show doesn't take itself as seriously as so many seem to
>think - it is very often over the top (that's parody, in some respects).
You keep talking like that and you, too, can become a U.S. Senator.
Perhaps you should begin writing the book, "Zen and the Art of Eloquence"
...
(not a slam, particularly... I just find it amusing)
Past that...
>However, I must admit that I really disliked some of the overly comedic
>episodes from this season.
I never saw it often enough to distinguish any given episode from its
season... But... How about that Vampire episode? Yes, that one with the
Baldwinesque (No, Opey Taylor!) Sheriff... the odd he-said, she-said one...
Didn't care for that at all...
But there're always nice little bits in every episode...
Subtle humour is always nice... Or, even, subtlety itself.
...unless, of course, you become so enormously interested in paying
attention to the subtleties and similarities that you become engrossed,
knowing that there are more of the aforementioned, when, in fact, there
aren't. I would think behaviour such as that might be considered
"paranoid."
How many Paranoids do we have in the audience today? None? Oh... But
I'm sure someone could explain why Bob wore a plaid shirt...?
Dent.
tric...@hotmail.com
eleme...@aol.com (ELEMENTGUY) wrote:
EL,
I saw and loved them all. And I like the conspiracy stuff, too;
but regarding the postmodern label, the show's creators are stuck
halfway. They write groundbreaking television, often depicting subjects
which are inherently more postmodern than is the episode which was the
final product.
This wouldn't have to be a knock on CC, but the missing postmodern
component is one of my favorites: a Humanism, either as the topic of the
plot, or a subtext, or an implied criticism of what was depicted.
"The personal is the political," and even when you don't intend to represent,
that's what you do; so instead of denying it, RUN WITH IT.
There's very little of this aspect of po-mo to the essence of X-Files, or
of any individual episode, aside from the fears of Mulder/Scully's psyches,
projected out into his world and onto our screens so we can participate as their
surrogates. And that sort of theme goes well back in this century in
literature,
before tv and postmodernism succeded previous media and messages.
The X-Files, especially as in the first season, could have been a spin off
of the
Kafka hour, had chronology gone differently.
But other shows break past this boundary. They make tv with a
a technically postmodern style, about postmodern subjects, with a postmodern
mental framework.
In some ways, though the X-Files production goes through every flourish
in the book, quite successfully, it's still the close descendant of
Kolchak, circa '74.
RawheadRex
> I never saw it often enough to distinguish any given episode from its
>season... But... How about that Vampire episode? Yes, that one with the
>Baldwinesque (No, Opey Taylor!) Sheriff... the odd he-said, she-said one...
>Didn't care for that at all...
> But there're always nice little bits in every episode...
Paraphrase (from memory)
Mulder:
"You got any swamps around here?"
Sheriff:
"Well, we useta have us lots of swamps, only now the EPA has made us take ta
callin' 'em wetlands."
I loved that episode very much.
RawheadRex
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marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
sun (not really, but I've been wanting to quote John Lennon :) ,
chibi-ryo-ohki wrote:
> and what if we like garbage? i personally think Steve Marker is very
> talented. ;)
LOL!
> > marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
> > 'There are 600 weasels with crossbows on the other side!'
>
> but what about the ferrets? ^.^
OK, there are 600 ferrets doing crosswords on the other side...
(Though of course they don't look quite as scary... :)
> oh...BTW...marcelo..."kimochi" means "feelings." or a rough
> approximation thereof.
MANY thanks! I've been very curious about that for a long time! (And thanks
again for remembering.)
> sorry for being MIA for so long...'sgood to be back. ^^
>
> chibi-ryo-ohki
Nearly as good as seeing you back. :)
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
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>>
>> I never saw it often enough to distinguish any given episode from its
>>season... But... How about that Vampire episode? Yes, that one with the
>>Baldwinesque (No, Opey Taylor!) Sheriff... the odd he-said, she-said one...
>>Didn't care for that at all...
>> But there're always nice little bits in every episode...
>
>
> Paraphrase (from memory)
>
>Mulder:
>"You got any swamps around here?"
>
>Sheriff:
>"Well, we useta have us lots of swamps, only now the EPA has made us take ta
>callin' 'em wetlands."
>
> I loved that episode very much.
>
>RawheadRex
ROTFLMAO!
Before reading this post I posted just something about this episode that was
broadcasted yesterday in the Netherlands. It is the funniest episode I ever
saw, especially the different points of view from Mulder and Scully.
Especially the sheriff with the bucktheeth is very hilarious!!!
And you're right: great episode!
--
Mirjam.
The truth is out there and beware,
so am I!
Mirjam Visser
I don't agree. there are a lot of people who like the X-files, myself included.
I think the show is very entertaining. And as a matter of fact I saw one of
the funniest (all imho)X-files (title escapes me at the moment) yesterday,
about the green eyed vampirevillage with a bucktoothed sheriff...
>> Maybe people who watch it don't think the same about that.
>
> and what if we like garbage? i personally think Steve Marker is very
>talented. ;)
>
>> marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
>
> but what about the ferrets? ^.^
>
> oh...BTW...marcelo..."kimochi" means "feelings." or a rough
>approximation thereof.
> sorry for being MIA for so long...'sgood to be back. ^^
>
> chibi-ryo-ohki
Hello chibi-ryo-ohki!
It's been a long long time since I last heard from you!!!!
Welcome back!
Mirjam Visser
>On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 19:33:46 +0100, "Anony"
><Dontrea...@thatthing.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
>
>everything ;-)
>
>
LOL!
But dikke nek means fat neck as if to say one is really stupid to believe
such things to be true
Mirjam Visser
>
>doppel...@hotmail.com wrote in message
><36a4a1ca...@news.algonet.se>...
>><Dontrea...@thatthing.com> wrote:
>>
>>>are you all that stupid to think something like that ???
>>
>>(^o^)
>>
>>>do you - TP fans - really think TP is at the base of everything ???
>>
>>No of course not. We _know_ TP is the base of life, the universe and
>>everything ;-)
>>
>*sigh*)
LOL!
>>>hebbde gelle nu echt zo'n dikke nekken ???
>>
>Just some stupid dutch sentence which doesn't make sense , oh those
>cheeseheads from holland , what do they know?
No cheeseheads, but the patattekes from Belgium (no insults intended here
ok? I just LOVE Belgian people...)
And hey, I know everything :)
Almost that is :-/
Oops! I forgot i'm dutch too!
Me three, so don't count me in please :)
>hm, must be the evil (r) doppeldensiti trying to take over.
>(must smash my head into the monitor I presume to take away the pain?)
I thought we were talking TP, not Nightmare on Elmstreet ]:->
>>I know you are but what am I?! ;-)
>
>
>eeeh... doppelcoop? doopelcopper? docpopper? coppeldooper? coopeldooper?
>doopercoopel? oppelcoppel? eehh.. doccelpooper? copdopper? doppeldopper?
>doccelcoopel? coopelcooper?
LOL!
>Ow, I need some more coffee!!!
And I need some aspirin...
Mirjam Visser
>
>
>
I live in the real world...
ELEMENTGUY
the funniest (all imho)X-files (title escapes me at the moment) yesterday,
about the green eyed vampirevillage with a bucktoothed sheriff... >>
The episode you refer of was last season's "Bad Blood." One helluva a funny
episode!
Mirjam Visser
Thanks for the title, yee-ah :)
I taped the episode so now I can write it on the label. And you
are right, it was very funny. And of course not to forget about Dana doing
her autopsy's in just a most unclean way.
ELEMENTGUY
"Shaft dances with all the women.."
That was one of my favorite parts!
Alfons
<trichome-210...@dyn-56.blackbox-3.netaxs.com>...
> order. But Mulder's critique is so narrow, it seems to me that only
rarely,
> but more so recently, do the shows break with safe tradition by including
> morally loaded or socially engaged viewpoints behind the whole
> "Secret government betraying our Rights" (which I agree with fully; do a
> search for the most recent Executive Orders - you won't know whether
> to believe 'em, because they make you feel more paranoid than you'll
like).
Since it seems you're already familiar with it and I don't spend much time
on www, wouldn't you care to share what you've found?
Great post BTW, but unfortunately I know too little (i e nothing) about
these things to respond. What's the definition of postmodernism, anyway?
Alfons
Alfons
> Yeah. The X-Files (with the exception of two-parters/three-parters) does
> something different every week. In TP, the main thing was they were
either
> searching for Laura's killer or Windom Earle. Yes, there was a lot of
other
> stuff going on, which made it interesting and cool, which is what I meant
by
> handled well. If the X-Files was the continuous thing over and over
again, it
> would not have survived six seasons.
Ok, now I see what you mean. But I would think the X-Files does the same
thing almost every week (at least uptil the season before the season
currently shown here in Sweden (the one that starts with Mulder
"resurrecting" from suicide (why does it look so bad with nested
paranthesis, anyway? =))).
Something odd and usually scary happens. The X-Files Theme. Mulder hears
about it and he and Scully go the scene of the crime. Investigate a little.
Mulder comes up with another crazy theory. Scully doesn't believe him.
Investigate a bit more. They catch or chases the wanted thing off and
Mulder was right again...
It actually got a bit boring until the roles were reversed for this season.
But I still don't find it as good as it was nowadays.
But back to TP... I don't think what made TP loose viewers (aside from
other things) was that they kept it in TP with the WKLP?-plot. The problem
was that you mainly had to see every episode, which you don't with XF. What
keeps XF going, in my view, is the episodes (usually written by CC) that
deals with the whole alien-plot. The rest is just flesh covering the
structure of the bones. XF without anything else but the alien-plot would
have made a better show -- although not so long-lasting -- IMHO. Just like
TP.
Alfons
Alfons
<78a7pl$tv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > sorry for being MIA for so long...'sgood to be back. ^^
"Gee it's good to be back home", as we would put it...
Alfons
(I just had to get that one out...)
tric...@hotmail.com
<ydx...@tninet.se> wrote:
>tric...@hotmail.com skrev i inlägg
><trichome-210...@dyn-56.blackbox-3.netaxs.com>...
>> order. But Mulder's critique is so narrow, it seems to me that only
>> rarely,but more so recently, do the shows break with safe tradition by
>> including morally loaded or socially engaged viewpoints behind the
>> whole "Secret government betraying our Rights" (which I agree with fully;
>> do a search for the most recent Executive Orders - you won't know
>> whether to believe 'em, because they make you feel more paranoid than
>> you'll like).
>
>Since it seems you're already familiar with it and I don't spend much time
>on www, wouldn't you care to share what you've found?
>
Sure. I live to hyperlink.
But remember, I'm not making any claims here, other than it is scary
to read documents which *seem* to propose a formula to turn our
constitutional republic into something else.
http://www.disastercenter.com/laworder/laworder.htm
Has a nice layout, but don't trust them alone. Go to
http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/nara003.html
which is the authoritative, Weekly Compilation of Presidential Documents.
So the documents are real, and if you do a www.dejanews.com search
for "executive orders", you will find both organized and disoriented
concerns over these documents.
As I said, enough to keep the paranoids happy and well fed,
whether or not anyone *is* actually after them.
>Great post BTW, but unfortunately I know too little (i e nothing) about
>these things to respond. What's the definition of postmodernism, anyway?
>
>Alfons
Postmodernism, like Modernism, is tricky, because it's a grab bag:
whatever trends, perspectives, and practices arose during an Era.
But the many threads comprising post-modernism are easy to spot,
if you back up enough to see what they have in common.
If Modernism is the era of the rise of the great European cities of
the last century, of "metro"-politan culture, and the new interactions
which could occur amongst people. There are so many ways of
thinking and creating, I shouldn't begin to list them. Novels, and the
Mystery, and Science Fiction are all inventions of Modernism. Also, the
idea that a tool should be used to reveal that specific medium's nature,
not just to imitate a "natural" view of the world, like Impressionism.
So Modernism is mostly whatever comes later.
UseNet: Many, producing content for many; rather than one to many (tv).
Movies and Literature: Disoriented, untrustworthy narrators; and scenes
which can not be understood in one, unambiguous way. (Phillip K. Dick)
Music: Samples, covers, subtle quotes and references to other songs.
...Because we are (some of us) drawing from a large, common pool
of references, to real and fictional symbols which populate our
imaginations. When we use these charged symbols, we establish
more and subtle bonds with our readers, by virtue of our common
willingness to admit that we are vested, that our thinking has been
shaped by something, all without having to describe exactly what that
symbol is.
I say, "our readers", because we are all "responsible" for understanding
what we see, to a greater degree now that there is so much to praise,
ignore, or damn. I should think anyone reading this group would
feel *as a director, or as a writer would*, as we de-construct what Lynch,
Frost, and co., intentionally constructed.
One more important aspect: distrust the intentions of the artist,
in so far as the politics of his/her time might reveal themes which
came along like baggage, unexamined and possibly extraneous or
contradictory. This close-reading can cause great Grad School-sized
free-for-alls when performed wrecklessly; just ask Matt Skorma:)
but some works simply don't add up if you only take the creator's word
as to their meanings, so it's a tool that can have its place.
Trichome
More available on request. I'll have to locate an encyclopedia,
to determine all of what I have omitted.
Alfons
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> More available on request. I'll have to locate an encyclopedia,
> to determine all of what I have omitted.
Thanks for all the info! If you can tell me more (and have the time and
feel up for it) please tell me more!
Alfons