Everyone noticed the moosehead picture in Laura's room, right? It's just
Lynch bugging nitpickers again.
BTW, what exactly did Cooper say when he saw that bloody cloth or whateerv
it was?
Can anyone guess what's in those TWO ledgers? What's going on between Pete
and Josie?
What the hell does "I feel like I know her but sometimes my arms bend back."
mean? Lastly, why did Laura touch her nose? I apparently missed Ed and Sherrif
exchanging a nose touching. When was this?
Am I the only one pleasantly confused?
Eli
There was a beat-up VW van with a "Just Say Sho' To Drugs" bumper sticker
parked next to my ultra-cool black '65 Stingray Corvette with sheepskin seat
covers. I promptly planted a kilo of C-4 underneath its gas tank and once back
on University Avenue, detonated it, reducing the van and everything nearby into
a pile of charred scrap. Nobody parks piece-of-shit cars next to my wheels.
And I'd swear that the door handle to Cooper's hotel room was made
from deer antlers. I'm really starting to wonder if they're significant.
Wild speculation:
Antlers == Horns ----> Hornes ----> Ben and Jerry
Could be a clue, and it's more direct than some...
Now, if the cops were just eating ice cream instead of
donuts, then we'd *know* it was Ben and Jerry....
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Could this be implying that Laura hung out at that brothel that we saw
Ben and Jerry going to at the start of last night's show? I think so.
>Can anyone guess what's in those TWO ledgers? What's going on between Pete
>and Josie?
Obviously the woman who is managing the Packard Sawmill (forgot her
name, sorry) is fiddling the books. One is probably the true accounts
and the other is the version that she shows to Josie...
>Am I the only one pleasantly confused?
Definitely not!
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Back in the pilot, when Laura's death was announced in class, Audrey
didn't seem surprised. As I recall she and James Hurley exchanged
glances a couple times. (I think it was Hurley).
I don't think Audrey was directly involved, but maybe she witnessed
something?
dale
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>BTW, what exactly did Cooper say when he saw that bloody cloth or whateerv
>it was?
He saw it in his dream later on... (it was briefly flashed)
>
>Can anyone guess what's in those TWO ledgers? What's going on between Pete
>and Josie?
Nothing except that Pete wants to get back at Catherine for the way
she treats him. The ledgers may ahve tied Catherine into the Jack with
One Eye and cocaine traficking?
The rock throwing was by far the funniest and most bizarre scene on TV
this year. Some notes, I think he hit the sheriff after hearing Shelly
Johnson (perhaps his link in the case?). When he said Dr. JAcoby, he
noted that the bottle fell down.
>
>What the hell does "I feel like I know her but sometimes my arms bend back."
>mean? Lastly, why did Laura touch her nose? I apparently missed Ed and Sherrif
>exchanging a nose touching. When was this?
>
Shit, I wanna know if the dwarf is supposed to be the Dali Lama?! "but
sometimes my arms bend back..." - people will be analyzing THAT one for
a week.
Favorite quote: "Ed, you big lug"
2nd Favorite quote: "Damn good coffee! and hot too!"
Midget: "Let's Rock!"
(why was he warming his hands up?)
Maybe these are symbols of a little wildlife in the woods?
The deer head was so blatantly conspicuous that it ought to
have some significance.
The antler chandelier wouldn't be too surprising for non-plot
reasons. There's a small company in Jackson Hole, Wyoming,
that makes these, mainly using elk antlers. They're popular
enough to be a natural find in a woodsy western lodges and bars --
or a place like the Jack.
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I think that Catherine is making it look like the sawmill isn't losing money,
when in reality it is losing money. Catherine wants the sawmill to lose money.
She is currently the one who is in charge of the books. So if she makes it
look like the sawmill isn't losing money, Josie will continue to let Catherine
run it.
That's just my idea. It may not be correct and it may not matter at all.
Missie Williams
I believe it was Donna and James that exchanged glances. Audrey just sat there
and smirked.
Missie Williams
Also, how come noone's mentioned the music? I think it makes the show.
Did anyone catch that the distance measured for Cooper to throw the rocks was
60'6"? It's a nice touch, if insignificant.
Last night's episode was the best yet.
More ramblings to follow.
Ron
> Did anyone catch that the distance measured for Cooper to throw the rocks was
> 60'6"? It's a nice touch, if insignificant.
Mind you, 60'6" is 726 inches, so it's not 666.
I really doubt it. For one thing what would Ben be doing descibing his
sexual liasons at the brothel with his daughter. If Audrey's quote was
about Laura's sexual relationship with Ben, then I believe that it would
be from Audrey's evesdropping on the two of them while Laura was over
tutoring the brother.
Maxwell A. Hopkins
"Experience does not ever err, it is only your judgment that errs in
promising itself results which are not caused by your experiments."
-Leonardo da Vinci (c. 1510)
No... but it is the distance from the pitcher's mound to home plate
in baseball.
-dd-
Ever play baseball? :-)
What is the deal with all this nose touching? Does anyone have the slightest
idea why it is significant?
Bri
... but it is the distance from the pitching rubber to home plate.
Ron
Can anyone out there who listens to this kind of music gloss this for me?
Perhaps it is significant?
Perhaps this is just Lynch's shorthand for rural life? I had
chalked up all the tree imagery in Blue Velvet to humor/emphasizing
rural setting. (At the sound of the falling tree....)
We see a lot of trees, lumber, sawmill, log lady, deer heads, antlers,
and Big Ed's Gas Farm. Anyone care to read in something deep and
meaningful into either the antlers or the wood? (how about the wood
in Blue Velvet?) Like I said, I think it's just there to remind us
visually that we aren't in New York.
-Sho
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I'm curious about the opening theme. I understand it's available
on an album, but I can't figure out where...
That's GOOD. I hadn't thought of it, but I really LIKE the dwarf
as Dali Lama.
>Favorite quote: "Ed, you big lug"
>2nd Favorite quote: "Damn good coffee! and hot too!"
>Midget: "Let's Rock!"
Mine favorite is from Cooper:
"They got a Cherry pie there ... that'll KILL ya"
#2 from episode 3 Harry S. Truman to Walter from the FBI:
".. Some stranger walks in here talking like that and he'd
be seraching for his ears? two blocks down on Gay street"
or something like that. Got him the smiling thumbs up from Cooper.
Bringing us to an interesting discontinuity.
Walter and his boys showed up, ready for a full days work - he
even told his team that it might be an all nighter.
Next thing you know Cooper is going to sleep and having his dream.
So what did they do all day. Judging from the progress they've made
a full days work turns up a SHITLOAD of information and new plot twists.
What's so nice about 60'6"?
>Last night's episode was the best yet.
Gotta agree there.
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Audrey is rather emotionally detached from anything that doesn't result
from her own actions. If she's had anything to do with the murder, her
reaction would have been more like her reaction to the Norwegians leaving.
>As I recall she and James Hurley exchanged
>glances a couple times. (I think it was Hurley).
Nope, Donna and James.
>I don't think Audrey was directly involved, but maybe she witnessed
>something?
Very doubtful.
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By the way, sixty feet six inches is the distance from the pitcher's rubber
to home plate. Geez - doesn't anyone watch baseball?
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Wood is by far the overwhelming stylistic motif for the show.
Practically every room is done in sepia wood panelling. I remember from
the NPR interview Lynch said that this was very deliberate, almost
trying to help set a 90's style away from the chrome and black 80's.
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} BTW, what exactly did Cooper say when he saw that bloody cloth or whateerv
} it was?
"What a piece of work."
} Can anyone guess what's in those TWO ledgers?
Katherine's doctoring the books. Standard procedure when embezzling is to
keep two ledgers -- one real and one doctored.
} What's going on between Pete and Josie?
Obviously Pete hates his wife and likes Josie.
} What the hell does "I feel like I know her but sometimes my arms bend
} back." mean?
Don't know, but Laura's doppelganger will be significant on the 4/26
episode. According to TV GUIDE, Laura's cousin shows up, and she's an
exact double of Laura. Brings a bit of extra weirdness to the dwarf's
line "She's my cousin, but doesn't she look exactly like Laura Palmer?"
} Am I the only one pleasantly confused?
No.
In article <90111.13...@CUNYVM.BITNET>, CLFSI@CUNYVM (Fnord) writes...
} Mine favorite is from Cooper:
} "They got a Cherry pie there ... that'll KILL ya"
Yeah, I liked that one, too.
} #2 from episode 3 Harry S. Truman to Walter from the FBI:
} ".. Some stranger walks in here talking like that and he'd be seraching
} for his ears? two blocks down on Gay street" or something like that.
It was "If someone came in talking crap like that, he'd find his teeth
two blocks up on Queer Street."
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What the diner scene mean to me: Audry's behavior isn't just weird. After
seeing all the strange behavior in this show hers stands out as particularly
spacey. Any bets as to whether or not she's on cocaine?
>What the hell does "I feel like I know her but sometimes my arms bend back."
>mean? Lastly, why did Laura touch her nose? I apparently missed Ed and Sherrif
>exchanging a nose touching. When was this?
If this mystery is solved by a dream *I* for one will feel VERY cheated!
>Am I the only one pleasantly confused?
No.
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This doesn't explain who killed Laura, but it does suggest that there's
a lot of other bad things going on that may or may not be linked to the
main plot.
John Walsh
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Well, I think the point is this: Why that particular song? Obviously
it reminded him of Laura in some way. It may not be a "strange" song
but it's also not one you hear a lot anymore either.
It may not be the case that the song "symbolizes" anything, but it seems
that every little thing in this series is there for a reason. Lynch
is too artsy to just toss things in here and there without thinking. In
that sense, _everything_ is significant, if only to set a particular mood.
David Baggett
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Actually it's one of those songs for which it's cliche'd that a father
would teach his daughter how to dance to. Just about any Big Band song
would have worked; Pennsylvania 6-5000, is probably one of Lynch's favorites.
Funny how now that Laura's mom has controlled her grief (she seemed more
in control, anyway) that dad broke down. Real life pretty much works
this way too.
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This comment encouraged me to finally get in here and say something.
Look, no offense, folks, but you're reading entirely too much
into Lynch's work.
"Lynch is too artsy to just toss things in here".
Not true. Sometimes, the best stuff in film is stuff that means
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Sometimes, there is NO meaning. The artist's
intention is to laugh hysterically while knowing that millions of
folks are straining and losing sleep at night to "find the meaning",
insisting that there MUST be some meaning to everything, when
there really isn't. Dada?
Lynch fans usually sit back and enjoy his work, catching the very
silly things that Lynch includes in his "art". Lynch likes to
play with emotions. He'll offend you and horrify you. Seconds
later, he'll make you laugh. Then you feel guilty for laughing
because you saw something that horrified you only minutes before.
Anybody who can pull out so many conflicting emotions at one time
is one talented artist, that's for sure.
Of course, it IS kind of fun trying to figure out the "meaning"
to all of this stuff in Twin Peaks, but let's not get carried away?
Also, regarding the necklace: In the late-70's, a pendant called
a "Mizpah" was all the rage where I come from (Detroit). The
pendant was inscribed with some "meaningful" stuff about love.
The pendant came in two halves, each with a separate chain. Each
member of a couple wore half of the necklace, as some sort of
symbol of their "joined hearts".
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I think that's unfair to Lynch. In numerous interviews he has said that
what he wants is for us to get interested in what's happening and feel
suspense. For a thriller series this equals wanting us to ENJOY it.
Professionals don't "laugh hysterically" at their audience. Indeed in
this case there's every evidence Lynch respects his audience greatly.
>Lynch fans usually sit back and enjoy his work, catching the very
>silly things that Lynch includes in his "art". Lynch likes to
>play with emotions. He'll offend you and horrify you. Seconds
>later, he'll make you laugh.
I agree with this. Lynch is a mood master, like a number of great
directors. What makes him unique is the range of *strange* moods he's
not averse to evoking... including those trademark elusive nightmares.
He's like Lovecraft on Ecstasy.
> Then you feel guilty for laughing
>because you saw something that horrified you only minutes before.
Um, s/you/I/.
>Of course, it IS kind of fun trying to figure out the "meaning"
>to all of this stuff in Twin Peaks, but let's not get carried away?
If posting to the net is all we do, it doesn't qualify as getting
"carried away." Where else can you have so much fun dissecting a
show in real time, and what else are the recreational alt groups for?
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ok. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
why why why do people keep suggesting a connection with cocaine
and hallucinations? Cocaine is NOT a hallucinogen. (Unless
you have some weird story that I'd be more than happy to
listen to...but doubtful.)
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shoes.
ann
perhaps we already have.
Anyone else think "The New Girl" looked anything like
Lucy all made up?
In the words of Agent Cooper...
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In the message you quoted, I wasn't reading _anything_ into Lynch's work.
I was simplying stating that I believe he (or someone working with him)
_carefully selects_ music, props, etc. to get his point across.
I suppose you think someone working on the show said, "Hey Mr. Lynch
what music should we have playing on the record player", and
Lynch responded, "Oh anything, it doesn't matter."
>"Lynch is too artsy to just toss things in here".
>Not true. Sometimes, the best stuff in film is stuff that means
>ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Sometimes, there is NO meaning. The artist's
>intention is to laugh hysterically while knowing that millions of
>folks are straining and losing sleep at night to "find the meaning",
>insisting that there MUST be some meaning to everything, when
>there really isn't. Dada?
Twin Peaks is clearly intended to be satirical. That doesn't mean,
however, that Lynch haphazardly throws together the stories. I
really think all this stuff with Leo, "Pink Pussycat", "Kitty's
got a new collar", etc. were put in there to confuse the hell out
of people like us who sit around coming up with theories. But it
wasn't accidental. Even if he's doing it so he can get a good laugh,
he sure isn't doing it by accident.
>Anybody who can pull out so many conflicting emotions at one time
>is one talented artist, that's for sure.
Then why do you think he's so reckless in constructing scenes that
he wouldn't bother selecting the music for a scene with any purpose
in mind? Mind you, I said "purpose", NOT "symbolic meaning".
>Of course, it IS kind of fun trying to figure out the "meaning"
>to all of this stuff in Twin Peaks, but let's not get carried away?
What possible harm can it do? If Lynch's point is (as you seem to
believe) to get everyone all stirred up about this, I'd say he's
doing a pretty good job, wouldn't you?
Dave Baggett
d...@cscwam.umd.edu
OK, I have been laughed at for this idea locally, so I might
as well post it, and be laughed at globally :-)
... I bet that Laura hid the missing drugs somewhere in
the house, then they got mixed in with the food. This would
lead to Laura's mom's hallucination in Episode 1 and Laura's
dad's picture-dance in Episode 2. Remember Laura's mom says
"what is going on in this house?" as if she felt that
something weird was going on...
Mark