Who is Donna's *REAL* father?
Timothy James Hatfield
In article <1992May28.0...@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> wr...@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Walter Albert Rumsby ) writes:
>I was watching the last 2 episodes of Twin Peaks on video the other day (again)
>and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.
>
>Firstly Donna finds all the love letters and stuff....
>
Weren't these love letters from Ben Horne to Eileen Hayward ?
>Then at Miss Twin Peaks Ben says "Donna, your mother and I...."
> to which Donna replies "You're my father" and runs off
>
I for one always thought that Ben Horne was Donna's father. The last
episode was merely confirmation of this "hunch". Donna and Audrey even look
somewhat alike ... not very, but there ARE some similarities there.
>Finally the Doctor (can't remember his name) puches Ben and
> Donna hugs him while sobbing "You're my daddy" * 1000
The "Doctor" was actually Dr Will Hayward, Donna's "father" in the
series, ie father at least by name and who lives with Donna and her mother.
When Donna hugs him and says "You're my daddy", I think that she has just
realised that Ben actually is, but the whole situation is too horrible and
sudden for her to handle (on top of all the other stuff that's been
happening in her life recently) and she is really saying "No ... this can't be
true ... YOU are really my Daddy aren't you ? Please say yes ..." etc.
>Well.....who is the father? If it is not Ben then there are still some
>interesting questions.
I'm fairly certain it is Ben, at least that's what we're led to believe.
>
>Also......is Ben dead, or does he just have a bump on his head.
>
>And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
>
>This all goes to prove......WE *NEED* ANOTHER SERIES!!!!!
For the answers to the last 3 questions, see any of the recent movie
previews posted on this group (warning: they contain spoilers !!! :-))
See you round like a Twin Peaks donut,
Tim Hatfield
ti...@extro.ucc.su.oz.au // ak...@po.cwru.edu
Walter Albert Rumsby
and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.
Firstly Donna finds all the love letters and stuff....
Then at Miss Twin Peaks Ben says "Donna, your mother and I...."
to which Donna replies "You're my father" and runs off
Finally the Doctor (can't remember his name) puches Ben and
Donna hugs him while sobbing "You're my daddy" * 1000
Well.....who is the father? If it is not Ben then there are still some
interesting questions.
Also......is Ben dead, or does he just have a bump on his head.
And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
This all goes to prove......WE *NEED* ANOTHER SERIES!!!!!
.walt
Jon Blum
>and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.
My guess is that Doc Hayward, Eileen, and Ben have some other deep dark
secret that they REALLY don't want Donna to know about -- possibly the
real circumstances behind Eileen's paralysis. They're letting her jump
to conclusions rather than face the real truth.
Consider the other interesting point (brought up here a few months back)
that Donna's birth certificate, which doesn't list a father, lists the
mother as Eileen HAYWARD. Not her maiden name. Eileen's goof, or the
producers?...
>Also......is Ben dead, or does he just have a bump on his head.
Doc's not in jail, so I guess Ben isn't dead. Besides, Ben has to be alive
to tell the world that he saw JOSIE a couple of episodes before...
>And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
Course not. She had a contract. :-)
>This all goes to prove......WE *NEED* ANOTHER SERIES!!!!!
Or at least a written sequel... which brings me to another point I've sat on
for a while. There's *STILL* no real TP fan fiction that I'm aware of.
Surely there's got to be plenty of scope for sequels, especially now that
many people know what FWWM says about the continuation (or doesn't say).
There's also space for other related stories in between the television
episodes. (What WAS Mike Nelson up to for the two TP-weeks he was out of
our sight? And what was going on on those three days after Leland died?)
There's a whole town out there, and the 30 or so hours of TV episodes barely
scratched the surface of what could be going on. So where are the authors?...
>.walt
Matthew Frazer
there is som really good prisoner fiction going down there. But I look
how long ago the prisoner ended and think, maybe it'll be that long
before some goof TP fiction is begun. Of course, you could peruse the
old january hoax that is archived on audrey for some "lighter"
fiction, just keep in mind that some people really got upset about it.
BTW I'm still missing the episode that has the Major in that palm
fronded chair.
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Joe Zitt
> Firstly Donna finds all the love letters and stuff....
>
> Then at Miss Twin Peaks Ben says "Donna, your mother and I...."
> to which Donna replies "You're my father" and runs off
>
> Finally the Doctor (can't remember his name) puches Ben and
> Donna hugs him while sobbing "You're my daddy" * 1000
This is a non-trivial distinction. To analyse it farther than the
writers probably intended, she could mean that while Ben is
>biologically< her father, she still considers the Doctor to
be, >emotionally<, her "daddy".
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Michael Dorotich
|> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
|>
|> Course not. She had a contract. :-)
|>
thrown through the air. None of the characters we know was wearing glasses at the
time. Yes, Andrew Packard often wears specs, but at the time he did not. (I don't
recall whether the bank clerk had glasses but I don't think so.) Therefore, the
glasses were either Andrew's (torn from his pocket) or those of someone at the
front of the bank. Furthermore, the vault is way at the back of the bank. The
eyeglasses were thrown out the front. It had to have been one hell of a blast to
do this. No one in the vault was likely to survive.
Next, consider things from a plotline. Audrey was becoming a character of little
significance. Audrey's chaining herself to the vault was to serve one of two
purposes. First, according to Audrey, the move was one of civil disobedience.
Since this would be completely overshadowed by the story of the explosion, Audrey's move would be rendered futile. Audrey never did anything futile. Second,
it is an excellent way for her to make an exit with a bang. (pun intended.)
Would Ms. Fenn want to leave the series? Certainly. Many new opportunities have
been opening up for her. Heck, Kyle MacLachlan, with a much bigger role, himself
wanted out.
Face it, it was a great way for a character to leave. And remember, in Twin Peaks
EVERYBODY dies. The only character to leave without dying was James Hurley.
If you must drool over Ms. Fenn, look for her in upcoming shows.
Ed Hughes
In article <1992May29....@bmerh2.bnr.ca>, scar...@bnr.ca (Michael Dorotich) writes:
>|>
>|> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
>|>
>|> Course not. She had a contract. :-)
>|>
>Don't be so sure. Recall that in the bank blast scene, a pair of eyeglasses is
>thrown through the air. None of the characters we know was wearing glasses at the
>time. Yes, Andrew Packard often wears specs, but at the time he did not. (I don't
>recall whether the bank clerk had glasses but I don't think so.)
Nope, Dell Mibbler, the ancient bank clerk, was indeed wearing glasses.
When I watched the tape of that episode a few weeks ago, I paid special
attention to the glasses. Those were Mibbler's glasses that landed on
the tree branch.
By the way, I agree with you--Audrey is toast.
--
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Cary, NC | --Crow, "Women of the Prehistoric Planet," MST3000
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jeremy holstein
> |>
> |> >And........is Audrey dead (PLEASE NOOOOOO!!!!!).
> |>
> |> Course not. She had a contract. :-)
> |>
> eyeglasses is thrown through the air. None of the characters we know
> was wearing glasses at the time.
I'm sorry, but this is wrong. The Bank manager was wearing glasses,
annd its his glasses we see flying through the air. Lynch may be
random, but he isn't THAT random. However, if we consider that its
the Bank tellers glasses that we see, we can be pretty sure that
Audrey is DEAD.
Robert Hooker
percolator" Martel survived the explosion. Why? Well, he survived the
mill fire with smoke inhalation, and this just 'added' to his character.
I think that Pete will once again be back in hospital, grimacing at
the food, and perhaps nursing singed eyebrows...
And yeah... it WAS the bank tellers glasses...
Brett J. Vickers
>Audrey may be dead [sniff], but I think Pete "there was a fish in the
>percolator" Martel survived the explosion. Why? Well, he survived the
>mill fire with smoke inhalation, and this just 'added' to his character.
>I think that Pete will once again be back in hospital, grimacing at
>the food, and perhaps nursing singed eyebrows...
Well, given the fact that Pete was standing right in front of the
blast, and Audrey was several yards away from it, what makes you
think Pete survived while Audrey bit it?
Personally, I think that if the series continued, they'd both have
remained alive -- maybe crippled, maybe missing a limb or two. But
who knows?
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Ken Bays
> Well, given the fact that Pete was standing right in front of the
> blast, and Audrey was several yards away from it, what makes you
> think Pete survived while Audrey bit it?
>
> Personally, I think that if the series continued, they'd both have
> remained alive -- maybe crippled, maybe missing a limb or two. But
> who knows?
>
Reading this discussion made me think of something. It doesn't answer
whether or not Audrey is dead, though. Remember that David Lynch directed
the final episode (did he write it too? Even if not, as director he has
the power to change the script, right?) It is a well-known fact that
politically, Lynch is very right-wing. Audrey was practicing civil
disobedience, and doing it for the sake of the environment (the Pine
Weasel and all that). This is something that the stereotypical
right-winger would probably not care for. Maybe Lynch is saying that
had Audrey not staged her protest, she wouldn't have been anywhere near
the bank and would have survived. I doubt he meant anything serious by
it, but this may have some part in the inspiration for the bank scene.
..
Joe Zitt
> Personally, I think that if the series continued, they'd both have
> remained alive -- maybe crippled, maybe missing a limb or two. But
> who knows?
Hmmm... maybe "Boxing Helena" is a TP sequel!
Neil Postlethwaite
>In article <1992May28.0...@cs.aukuni.ac.nz> wr...@cs.aukuni.ac.nz (Walter Albert Rumsby ) writes:
>>I was watching the last 2 episodes of Twin Peaks on video the other day (again)
>>and I was quite confused by the Donna's dad issue.
>
>My guess is that Doc Hayward, Eileen, and Ben have some other deep dark
>secret that they REALLY don't want Donna to know about -- possibly the
>real circumstances behind Eileen's paralysis. They're letting her jump
>to conclusions rather than face the real truth.
>
>Consider the other interesting point (brought up here a few months back)
>that Donna's birth certificate, which doesn't list a father, lists the
>mother as Eileen HAYWARD. Not her maiden name. Eileen's goof, or the
>producers?...
>
I suppose Eileen could have had an affair with Ben while married to Doc H.
I can't remember seeing/hearing that Donna was born/concieved out of wedlock !?
Neil