Cooper, Audrey, and Annie--Three's a Crowd?
Archie
After watching the recent "marathon" on Bravo on the
28th,I am struck again by the chemistry between Cooper and
Audrey. With apologies to Heather Graham fans, I never got
the same feeling between Cooper and Annie that there is
between Cooper and Audrey. Is this silly,wishful thinking?
After all, look at the scene when Audrey sneaks into
Cooper's bed- "Audrey, what I want and need are two
different things" And look at the scene where Cooper rescues
Audrey from One Eyed Jacks--Cooper seems to be a bit more
concerned than simple sexual facination or "friendship"
would suggest. What does anyone else think? Perhaps I just
wish Lynch did something more between the two. I feel as if
Annie is a second season add-on whereas Audrey is a more
developed (if not more immature)character. Feedback
please...
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to be the most intoxicating pose of all time. Then the call comes in that Maddie has been killed and Coop has to leave. Even though Coop always maintained
around Audrey I always got the feeling that she was twisting him up in knots. I never got that from Annie, she seemed to be more of project that appealed to
Coop's need to be "super protector."
doppelganger_79
after Ben has been arrested. As they're talking Aundrey sits on his bed in
what has
> to be the most intoxicating pose of all time.
The same pose as Laura on the bed at the motel in FWWM, and on the cover of
the video...
> I never got that from Annie, she seemed to be more of project that
appealed to
> Coop's need to be "super protector."
Who? Annie or Audrey? I think both... Have you ever noticed the similarites
between the rescue of Audrey and the rescue of Annie...
~doppelganger_79
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William Graney
doppelganger_79 wrote:
>
>
> > I never got that from Annie, she seemed to be more of project that
> appealed to
> > Coop's need to be "super protector."
>
> Who? Annie or Audrey?
I was referring to Annie.
> I think both... Have you ever noticed the similarites
> between the rescue of Audrey and the rescue of Annie...
>
> I hadn't thought of it before, but now that you mention it........
damnfine
> After watching the recent "marathon" on Bravo on the
> 28th,I am struck again by the chemistry between Cooper and
> Audrey. With apologies to Heather Graham fans, I never got
> the same feeling between Cooper and Annie that there is
> between Cooper and Audrey. Is this silly,wishful thinking?
No, it's completely and utterly correct.
Cooper's relationship with Annie came out of nothing more than his desperate grasping at a
pseudo-Caroline.
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Damnfine,
"We can't stop here, this is bat country!"
Jasey Jase
<snipping original post>
Hi there. Yeah; a lot of people prefer Cooper/Audrey, and the setup is there
for a reason, particularly in early Season 2 -- b/c the writers were setting up
the Cooper/Audrey love story to be the second arc of the season after they
wrapped up the Laura Palmer mystery in Ep 16 (this week) . However, Kyle
MacLachlan apparently nixed it, claiming his character, the straight-arrow FBI
man, wouldn't get involved with a high school senior, and so the writers had to
kill the story despite the excellent setup, and the show floundered in a host
of silly plotlines that were originally planned to be subplots for the
Cooper/Audrey story for about 6 or so episodes. While I can respect and
understand Kyle's feelings on the matter, I still would have to say "hell with
it" -- not only did the loss of the Coop/Audrey story compromise the show's
quality, but the setup and chemistry between MacLachlan and Fenn was too
excellent to be thrown away. But it was.
And I loved the scene at the end of last week too. Bleh.
!Jase!
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Keith Gow
waxed lyrical:
>Archie wrote:
>> After watching the recent "marathon" on Bravo on the
>> 28th,I am struck again by the chemistry between Cooper and
>> Audrey. With apologies to Heather Graham fans, I never got
>> the same feeling between Cooper and Annie that there is
>> between Cooper and Audrey. Is this silly,wishful thinking?
>
>No, it's completely and utterly correct.
>
>Cooper's relationship with Annie came out of nothing more than his desperate grasping at a
>pseudo-Caroline.
>
When Kyle MacLachlan refused to let his character get involved with a
school girl and recent suspect in a case he investigated, the
producers were forced to bring in the Annie character at the last
moment. It is conceivable that had the Cooper/Audrey storyline be
allowed to play out that Audrey would have been the one to be crowned
Miss Twin Peaks and taken, by Earle, into the Black Lodge. She could
have been a pseudo-Caroline, because we didn't know what Caroline
looked like until *after* Graham was cast.
|| Keith Gow ||
"It's just more shit I gotta do now." - Carl Rodd, FWWM
damnfine
> >Cooper's relationship with Annie came out of nothing more than
> >his desperate grasping at a pseudo-Caroline.
>
> When Kyle MacLachlan refused to let his character get involved with a
> school girl and recent suspect in a case he investigated, the
> producers were forced to bring in the Annie character at the last
> moment.
That IS the cause of, but not a lasting creative influence on, the Annie plotline.
I never wanted Coop to get down-and-dirty with a schoolgirl, but the relationship
definitely should've been explored a lot deeper than it was. Platonic love stories are
utterly fascinating... hasn't anyone seen 'Leon' for chissakes?!? ;)
> It is conceivable that had the Cooper/Audrey storyline be
> allowed to play out that Audrey would have been the one to be crowned
> Miss Twin Peaks and taken, by Earle, into the Black Lodge. She could
> have been a pseudo-Caroline, because we didn't know what Caroline
> looked like until *after* Graham was cast.
WE didn't... that doesn't mean the writers didn't.
The Annie "romance" was far too contrived, too convenient, and frankly, extremely un-TP.
It looks this way because we haven't seen the bigger picture, and we never will. But I am
certain season 3 would have revealed the truth about Annie, that she was very much Black
Lodge influenced. An apparently successful bid by the evil powers-that-be to lure Dale
Cooper into their control.
damnfine
> Interesting parallel between "Leon" and TP (I assume
> that "Leon" is also Luc Besson's "The Professional".) I can
> understand too the reluctance to form a relationship with a
> high school girl, but some of that logic on the show isn't
> consistent. Laura (a high school girl) kisses Cooper in the
> dream sequence.
Well, that IS in a dream sequence... in which Cooper's forbidden (dare I say "paternal")
sexual attraction is the reason that he - temporarily - knows who killed Laura.
> I wonder if Heather Graham was younger than Sherilyn Fenn
> when they filmed the show? I would not be surprised.
Yes, she was. And she still is, strangely enough! ;)
Michael W. Dean
> if Heather Graham was younger than Sherilyn Fenn when they
> filmed the show?
If I recall correctly, Sherilyn Fenn was 25 or 26 when she
filmed TP, whereas Heather Graham was indeed only 20 or
so. This is indeed a little odd, as Audrey was of course a
high schooler and Annie was several years out of school.
Mike
.......
Keith Gow
waxed lyrical:
>Adam J. Cook wrote:
>> At the risk of restarting the "babes of TP" thread, Audrey in a landslide
>> over Annie.
>
>Well, that goes without saying... but I'm glad you said it anyay!
>
>> But only because Shelley sat this one out!
>
>BAH! But you went off the rails a little, here...
>
Double-BAH!
It goes: Shelley, Annie, Laura, Maddy, Audrey.
The log
>Audrey first is
>deluding themselves, pure and simple.
>
>And even Donna beats freakin' Annie!!
You're wrong, dammit!
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in his heels and refused to go along with the idea. So then Annie was brought
in out of left field to provide a love interest.
Magician ("longs to see")
Jasey Jase
<snipping the Annie/Audrey/Shelly dueling>
Bollocks to you all. I pick Laura and Maddy first. Then Norma. Then Audrey.
Then Shelly.
Michael W. Dean
regardless of Adam Cook's intentions. I've been haunting
this group irregularly since 1994, and in my experience
there's always a thread like this going on somewhere. My
impressions:
Sherilyn: She was IT back in the day, but have you seen
her lately? The magic is gone, fellows.
Sheryl Lee: Terrific as Maddy -- she always looked better
as a brunette than as a blonde. As horrid as that little song
with James was, the bit where she's making eyes at him...
oh yeah! She's so very talented, too; she can project
emotion like nobody.
Madchen: Those eyes! Appearance-wise, she can hold her
own with any gal in the series, but she didn't project sexuality
like Sherilyn did and like Sheryl could.
Joan: I'm a big fan of Asian women, but Joan's just cute. That
too-soft voice was meant to be appealing, but I found it irritating.
Lara: Cute, but that's about it. She's a good actress, though.
Peggy: I've got a soft spot for those sexy older woman types.
I think she's a real beauty, and she's got a great voice, too. It
all comes together when she smiles, though. She's got one of
the best smiles of any actress I've ever seen...she just lights
up.
Heather: She's gorgeous, but she was so green as an actress
back then...I couldn't get around her wooden performances.
She had almost no chemistry with Kyle.
Mike
.......
damnfine
> > > But only because Shelley sat this one out!
> >
> >BAH! But you went off the rails a little, here...
>
> Double-BAH!
>
> It goes: Shelley, Annie, Laura, Maddy, Audrey.
You are, excuse me, completely and utterly insane. Anyone who doesn't put Audrey first is
deluding themselves, pure and simple.
And even Donna beats freakin' Annie!!
--
damnfine
> >You are, excuse me, completely and utterly insane. Anyone who doesn't put
> >Audrey first is deluding themselves, pure and simple.
> >
> >And even Donna beats freakin' Annie!!
>
Er... no.
damnfine
> Sherilyn: She was IT back in the day, but have you seen
> her lately? The magic is gone, fellows.
Can't agree there... I think she's ageing pretty well.
Keith Gow
waxed lyrical:
>
><snipping the Annie/Audrey/Shelly dueling>
>
>Bollocks to you all. I pick Laura and Maddy first. Then Norma. Then Audrey.
>Then Shelly.
>
Dead chicks, then an old chick, then Audrey? The Shelley?
What are you - blind?
damnfine
> >Bollocks to you all. I pick Laura and Maddy first. Then Norma. Then Audrey.
> >Then Shelly.
> >
>
> Dead chicks, then an old chick, then Audrey? The Shelley?
>
> What are you - blind?
Necrophiliac? ;p
Adam J. Cook
damnfine <damn...@one.net.au> wrote in message
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> Keith Gow wrote:
> > >Bollocks to you all. I pick Laura and Maddy first. Then Norma. Then
Audrey.
> > >Then Shelly.
> > >
> >
> > Dead chicks, then an old chick, then Audrey? The Shelley?
> >
> > What are you - blind?
>
I'd say Mattie or Laura dead are better than a living Annie.
Adam
damnfine
> I'd say Mattie or Laura dead are better than a living Annie.
Agreed.
Probably warmer too.
(That second line could've been a thousand times worse and you all know it, so I don't
want any complaints.)
Jasey Jase
>
You don't want to know how I feel about Piper Laurie either, I guess. :)
Jonesing for Mrs. Robinson, :D
The log
>
>Agreed.
>
>Probably warmer too.
>
>(That second line could've been a thousand times worse and you all know it,
>so I don't
>want any complaints.)
::shakes fist::
Curse you, Damnfine! Curse you!
ClckwrkO
ClckwrkO
Gordon Cole
YOU'RE ALL WRONG. SHELLEY IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL OF THE BUNCH.
MAY A SMILE BE YOUR UMBRELLA,
GORDON COLE
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ClckwrkO wrote in message <20000603143351...@ng-fd1.aol.com>...
:Hey, as long as no one else wants Annie I'll take her.
:
:
:
:
:ClckwrkO
Juha Rislakki
> 28th,I am struck again by the chemistry between Cooper and
> Audrey. With apologies to Heather Graham fans, I never got
> the same feeling between Cooper and Annie that there is
> between Cooper and Audrey. Is this silly,wishful thinking?
Obviously you have no understanding for true beauty. Annie is an angel. I think I am in love. ;)
J.R
Michael W. Dean
She's a beauty, but the poster you quoted is correct:
Kyle McLachlan and Heather Graham had almost no
chemistry, and this was largely due to Graham's poor
acting.
Mike
.......
Archie
$1c0f...@mdean.negia.net>, "Michael W. Dean"
Audrey but Graham's drab characterization in the show
reflects the age old Hollywood fallacy...A pretty face does
not equal good acting. Annie is not as flashy a character
as Audrey, but that doesn't excuse being boring as an actor.
I dunno..You have to create something...To use a cliche,
make lemonade out of lemons.
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Frog of Da West
Archie
Annie came in at the middle of Episode 24. She shows
up around the same time that John Justice Wheeler shows up
for Audrey. Has anyone else noticed how they usually follow
up a Cooper scene with an Audrey scene and vice versa....?
Jasey Jase
So Dale hops into the sack with a girl in UNDER A WEEK?
Cooper, you ignorant slut.
W.J. Harris
"Adam J. Cook" wrote:
> Michael W. Dean <mNOSP...@negia.net> wrote in message
> news:01bfcc3a$54d3cf40$b60e...@mdean.negia.net...
> Except for the fact that Audrey appeared "freshly squeezed" and Annie
> appeared...well, she didn't appear very well at all, imo.
>
> At the risk of restarting the "babes of TP" thread, Audrey in a landslide
> over Annie.
>
> But only because Shelley sat this one out!
>
> Adam
damnfine
> Shelly is the true Miss Twin Peaks.
Another Commie!
--
Damnfine,
"God's mercy on you swine!"
c.b.
c.b.
W.J. Harris <g-t...@redshift.com> wrote in message
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> Shelly is the true Miss Twin Peaks.
>
>
>
The log
Damn you and your facist friends!
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damnfine wrote:
> W.J. Harris wrote:
> > Shelly is the true Miss Twin Peaks.
>
Keith Gow
<g-t...@redshift.com> waxed lyrical:
>I'm not a Commie. You just don't have any taste in woman.
>
Actually, that's not exactly true. The Madchen Amick thing is his
major problem - that and thinking anything of Anjelina Skanky-Ho, I
mean, Jolie.
|| Keith Gow ||
Angel: "That's great. It's nice you moved on, I can't. You
found someone new. I'm not allowed to, remember? I see you
again, it cuts me up inside, and the person I share that
with is me. You don't know me anymore, so don't come down
here with your great new life and expect me to do things
your way. Go home." - 'Sanctuary,' ANGEL
damnfine
Oh, relax!
(Fascist)
> Actually, that's not exactly true. The Madchen Amick thing is his
> major problem - that and thinking anything of Anjelina Skanky-Ho, I
> mean, Jolie.
Ahh yes, but making being a skanky ho into an artform, therein lies the appeal.
--
Damnfine,
"Just because this is never going to work, there's no need to be negative."
ClckwrkO
>Actually, I believe Heather Graham was about 18 during TP
>
>c.b.
>
Then how old was she in Drugstore Cowboy?
ClckwrkO
Keith Gow
lyrical:
>Actually, I believe Heather Graham was about 18 during TP
>
By the time her eps aired, Graham would have been 21. At the same time
Sherilyn Fenn would have been 27.
Keith Gow
<raoul...@journalist.com> waxed lyrical:
>> >I'm not a Commie. You just don't have any taste in woman.
>
>Oh, relax!
>
>(Fascist)
>
>> Actually, that's not exactly true. The Madchen Amick thing is his
>> major problem - that and thinking anything of Anjelina Skanky-Ho, I
>> mean, Jolie.
>
>Ahh yes, but making being a skanky ho into an artform, therein lies the appeal.
>
You're a sad strange little man. You have my pity.
>"Just because this is never going to work, there's no need to be negative."
>
I wish you'd attribute your quotes, it'd save much brain suckage in
this little corner of the world.
damnfine
Yeah, I'll wear that. The offline me is actually quite normal...
I just haven't seen him around here in a while...
<<<You have my pity.>>>
Um... thanks. Can I trade it in for money?
<<<I wish you'd attribute your quotes,>>>
No, they take on a certain surreal quality when you leave them
unattributed. Well, to me anyway.
--
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> <<<I wish you'd attribute your quotes,>>>
>
> unattributed. Well, to me anyway.
That "certain surreal quality" is called plagarism, just so you know.
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damnfine
you know.>>>
Bullshit! It's in quotes, therefore it's a quote.
Could any intelligent person look at that at the bottom of my sig
and think that I'm trying to pass it off as my own? No.
--
damnfine,
I made this line up, so it's not in quotes.
Joshua Zyber
> <<<That "certain surreal quality" is called plagarism, just so
> you know.>>>
>
> Bullshit! It's in quotes, therefore it's a quote.
It is an unattributed quote. You do not credit the original source,
therefore they have the right to sue you if they wanted.
Sorry.
> Could any intelligent person look at that at the bottom of my sig
> and think that I'm trying to pass it off as my own? No.
That's not the issue.
Actually, there really is no issue because nobody would ever sue you for the
things you've been adding to your sig. It's still plagarism, though.
damnfine
sue you for the things you've been adding to your sig. It's still
plagarism, though.>>>
Fine then, if you insist.
I'm perfectly happy being wrong on legal grounds when I know I'm
right on sensible ones.
I do it because I usually look for quotes that work as well
if not better out of context, there's nothing more to it
than that. Sorry.
--
damnfine
damnfine
quote of yours was from and couldn't bring myself to just say
"Give it up, dude!">>>
Not telling... I'm sulking now. Haha!
--
damnfine
(it was from the latest BtVS, dumbass!)
Keith Gow
<jzy...@mindspring.com> waxed lyrical:
>damnfine <damnfine...@one.net.au.invalid> wrote in message
>news:08069e36...@usw-ex0102-015.remarq.com...
>> Could any intelligent person look at that at the bottom of my sig
>> and think that I'm trying to pass it off as my own? No.
>
>That's not the issue.
>
>Actually, there really is no issue because nobody would ever sue you for the
>things you've been adding to your sig. It's still plagarism, though.
>
Yay! I started the same debate in alt.tv.homicide a few months ago!
And, damnfine, all I really wanted to know was where that last quote
of yours was from and couldn't bring myself to just say "Give it up,
dude!"
|| Keith Gow ||
Keith Gow
<damnfine...@one.net.au.invalid> waxed lyrical:
><<<And, damnfine, all I really wanted to know was where that last
>quote of yours was from and couldn't bring myself to just say
>"Give it up, dude!">>>
>
>Not telling... I'm sulking now. Haha!
>
>--
>damnfine
>(it was from the latest BtVS, dumbass!)
>
That's why it frustrated me - because I knew I knew it!
Double-dumbass on you!