FWWM: Some nuances
Skibbb
scene with Laura in the Red Room begins with just her face, and an arm
(Cooper's) resting on her shoulder. The angle of the arm struck me as
visually similar to BOB's in the scene before as he releases the
garmonbozia. Just a nice reminder of the duality of Red Room.
In the "Pink Room" bar, Laura mimicks the "finger snap" she does in the
Red Room during the last episode. But the downward pointing fingers are
an instruction to the beau sitting across from her to 'go down'.
Lynch's dark humor at fans analyzing everything in the series?
Lastly, after they exit with the inebriated Donna, there's a lingering
shot of the floor, strewn with beer bottles. After staring at one
trying to figure out if it was a real brand or not, the giant 'R' on the
label finally connected - a foreshadow of Laura's letter!
Skibbb
Mindy
Skibbb wrote...
> Lastly, after they exit with the inebriated Donna, there's a lingering
> shot of the floor, strewn with beer bottles. After staring at one
> trying to figure out if it was a real brand or not, the giant 'R' on the
> label finally connected - a foreshadow of Laura's letter!
Now you got me curious and I had to check that out for myself! :) Just in
case, you didn't figure it out (or didn't know, since it is a local brand)
that curvy R is the logo for Rainier beer. Picture of an old label -
http://www.hia.net/kjsmith/beer/rainier.htm
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Skibbb
accompanies shots of telephone poles / electric wires is a high pitched,
oscillating sound that is much like the "Indian whooping noise" the LMFAP
identifies himself as sounding like. (The GNRS Waiter makes it as well in
Cooper's Red Room visit) This, plus the edited dialogue from the
convenience store scene seems to further link the Lodge dwellers with
'electricity' as possibly their native form.
Skibbb
Skibbb
> > trying to figure out if it was a real brand or not, the giant 'R' on the
> > label finally connected - a foreshadow of Laura's letter!
>
> Now you got me curious and I had to check that out for myself! :) Just in
> case, you didn't figure it out (or didn't know, since it is a local brand)
> that curvy R is the logo for Rainier beer. Picture of an old label -
Thanks, and I've heard of it - a Canadian beer? I was guessing but couldn't
make out the details of the label. Another thought was "Roadhouse Microbrew",
but nah...they wouldn't export that to Canada. "Partyland" is what the place
was called according to the script. I've been calling it the Pink Room because
of the music title on the soundtrack.
Skibbb
damnfine
> In the "Pink Room" bar, Laura mimicks the "finger snap" she does in the
> Red Room during the last episode. But the downward pointing fingers are
> an instruction to the beau sitting across from her to 'go down'.
Maybe THAT'S what Coop was supposed to in Ep. 29 order to "beat" the Lodge?
Forget "perfect courage", the Lodge test is actually all about cunnilingus technique!
LOL... ;)
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Skibbb wrote...
> Thanks, and I've heard of it - a Canadian beer? I was guessing but
couldn't
> make out the details of the label. Another thought was "Roadhouse
Microbrew",
> but nah...they wouldn't export that to Canada. "Partyland" is what the
place
> was called according to the script. I've been calling it the Pink Room
because
> of the music title on the soundtrack.
It was brewed in Seattle (named after Mount Rainier which is right there...)
I think most people usually refer to it as the Pink Room as well, so no
worries... :)
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tric...@hotmail.com
I'm not sure of the exact means used to generate the
oscillation, but the purest method is to run a wet finger around
the rim of a fine crystal champagne glass.
WoowWooWoooWooooWoo.
Doppler-shifting as the finger's speed around the Circle varies.
Electricity also cycles; in a ceiling fan in the hall outside Laura's room.
And in the flickering neon lights in the ceiling below the floor, which is
the ceiling of the conveniece store; in which, no doubt, the electrically
driven compressors of the glass-fronted freezers in the the store
below.
The variations in the frequency of electrical current, as well as the
varying pitch of the Whoop, indicate the presence of BOB's
predatory energy. Whether these are meant to be seen as
engendering his evil, or merely as harbingers of its presence, is
not entirely clear to me - thought I suspect DL thought of them
as full and intentional signifiers, to be taken much more literally
than is generally assumed in attp.
Trichome
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S. Bellum
>Electricity also cycles; in a ceiling fan in the hall outside Laura's room.
> And in the flickering neon lights in the ceiling below the floor, which is
> the ceiling of the conveniece store; in which, no doubt, the
>electrically
> driven compressors of the glass-fronted freezers in the the store
> below.
>
> The variations in the frequency of electrical current, as well as the
> varying pitch of the Whoop, indicate the presence of BOB's
> predatory energy. Whether these are meant to be seen as
> engendering his evil, or merely as harbingers of its presence, is
> not entirely clear to me - thought I suspect DL thought of them
> as full and intentional signifiers, to be taken much more literally
> than is generally assumed in attp.
On a more basic level... I'm curious to know if anyone had the same revelation
when Leland turned on the ceiling fan before going into Laura's window. We'd
seen shots of the fan so many times, and, to me, here was a simple explanation.
He turned it on to cover up the noise in Laura's room. The same could be said
for the record player and Maddy's death. References to cycles, circles, and
electricity are obvious in both.
Ski...@erthlink.net wrote:
>Cooper's Red Room visit) This, plus the edited dialogue from the
>convenience store scene seems to further link the Lodge dwellers with
>'electricity' as possibly their native form.
It could be as simple as frequencies and electricity. entirely reasonable.
-Erythrin
Adam J. Cook
>
> tric...@hotmail.com writes:
>
> >Electricity also cycles; in a ceiling fan in the hall outside Laura's room.
> > And in the flickering neon lights in the ceiling below the floor, which is
> > the ceiling of the conveniece store; in which, no doubt, the
> >electrically
> > driven compressors of the glass-fronted freezers in the the store
> > below.
> >
> > The variations in the frequency of electrical current, as well as the
> > varying pitch of the Whoop, indicate the presence of BOB's
> > predatory energy. Whether these are meant to be seen as
> > engendering his evil, or merely as harbingers of its presence, is
> > not entirely clear to me - thought I suspect DL thought of them
> > as full and intentional signifiers, to be taken much more literally
> > than is generally assumed in attp.
>
> On a more basic level... I'm curious to know if anyone had the same revelation
> when Leland turned on the ceiling fan before going into Laura's window. We'd
> seen shots of the fan so many times, and, to me, here was a simple explanation.
> He turned it on to cover up the noise in Laura's room.
On an even baser level, perhaps he just wanted to keep cool durring sex.
Adam
Mindy
> On an even baser level, perhaps he just wanted to keep cool durring sex.
That shouldn't be a problem, it was February... :)
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Adam J. Cook
Does anyone else think it appeared strangely warm for that part of the
country in February?
Adam
Mindy
Adam J. Cook wrote ...
> Does anyone else think it appeared strangely warm for that part of the
> country in February?
I'd have to watch again for specific clues, but my general recollection is
that while, yes, it was sunny, it was not warm. I get a mental image of our
first shot of Laura walking down the street on the way to school wrapped in
a short wool coat. I could be wrong, but that's how I remember it. The
presence of the sun does not in any way preclude it being cold, in fact,
some of the coldest days are when the sun shines, since there are no clouds
to act as blankets and keep the warmth in. But, yeah, it should have been
overcast and rainy to really be Feb in the Pacific NW... Anyone know when
the scenes were actually shot?
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Adam J. Cook
I never got the impression that it was "warm", but I also never got the
impression that it was winter. I live in San Antonio, TX, so my idea of
warm would be quite different from someone in the northwest. People did
wear jackets, but doesn't it snow at all in that part of the country? I
would think February would be the coldest month of the year, and I don't
remember anyone talking about the cold or the weather, as people who
live in cold climates seem to always do. Witness "Fargo". I also don't
remember seeing anyones breath.
Was the month that the story took place in actually important? School
needs to be in session, but perhaps Lynch should have set the story in a
month more natural to what we actually see.
Adam
tric...@hotmail.com
eryt...@aol.comoc.loa (S. Bellum) wrote:
> He turned it on to cover up the noise in Laura's room. The same could be said
>for the record player and Maddy's death. References to cycles, circles, and
>electricity are obvious in both.
>
Every night of my life, I have gone to sleep with either the sound of
an air conditioner or dehumidfier. I never doubted what you say about
covering up the noise, but I don't remember Leland turning on the fan,
since it must have occurred in FWWM. I had already recognized the
role of the fan in producing covering sounds, so I concentrated on the
specific sound of the fan, and its eletricical properties.
I would say, Leland's BOB-buzz was reinforced by the sound of the
fan, as well as by the electromagnetic fluctuating whumm-whumm-whum
affecting Leland's damaged mind (and adding to Laura's terror - remember,
she thought she was dreaming. He came to her as an incubus.)
http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/articles/i/incubus.html
>Incubus
>
>In medieval European folklore, the incubus is a male demon (or evil
>spirit) who visits women in their sleep to lie with them in ghostly
>sexual intercourse. The woman who falls victim to an incubus will not
>awaken, although may experience it in a dream. Should she
>get pregnant the child will grow inside her as any normal child, except
>that it will possess supernatural capabilities. Usually the child grows into
>a person of evil intent or a powerful wizard. Legend has it that the
>magician Merlin was the result of the union of an incubus and a nun. A
>succubus is the female variety, and she concentrates herself on men.
>According to one legend, the incubus and the succubus were fallen angels.
>
>The word incubus is Latin for "nightmare".
Trichome
"I put a spell on you. Because you're mine."
- Screamin' Jay Hawkins, performed by Marilyn Manson:
Mirjam Visser
>It was brewed in Seattle (named after Mount Rainier which is right there...)
This is completely OT, but isn't Mount Rainier one of America's most
dangerous volcano's?
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Skibbb
> On a more basic level... I'm curious to know if anyone had the same revelation
> when Leland turned on the ceiling fan before going into Laura's window. We'd
> seen shots of the fan so many times, and, to me, here was a simple explanation.
> He turned it on to cover up the noise in Laura's room. The same could be said
> for the record player and Maddy's death. References to cycles, circles, and
> electricity are obvious in both.
I'm not sure, but I think the gramaphone record player might be old enough to be a
wind-up type. But agreed on the circles & cycles.
On the fan; something in the shooting script is bugging me. During the scene
where Laura talks to the 'electricity' in her room. "Who are you really?" and gets
no reply, the script has further dialogue between her and BOB. BOB says: "The fan
will be starting soon." This seems like a dead giveaway (to Laura) that BOB is
Leland.
Even if (in her denial) she thought it coincidence her father switched the fan on
every night BOB visited, BOB telling her the fan was about to start when she knows
physically her father throws the switch, well it should connect the dots that BOB
controls her father *at least* enough to turn the fan on for him. What else...?
Perhaps that's why that was edited out.
Skibbb
Skibbb
> > On an even baser level, perhaps he just wanted to keep cool durring sex.
> That shouldn't be a problem, it was February... :)
Thank you! That's the number one visual flaw to FWWM. Both Deer Meadow &
Twin Peaks locations have trees full of leaves, and everyone dressing light.
Not in Washington state in Februrary, unless those old woods really do have
some magic.
Skibbb
Skibbb
> Every night of my life, I have gone to sleep with either the sound of
> an air conditioner or dehumidfier. I never doubted what you say about
> covering up the noise, but I don't remember Leland turning on the fan,
> since it must have occurred in FWWM. I had already recognized the
> role of the fan in producing covering sounds, so I concentrated on the
> specific sound of the fan, and its eletricical properties.
Leland does switch it on in FWWM, and then we see Laura in her room notice it, with
a hint of a startled inward breath. Then she prepares for BOB's arrival. The more
I think about it, even the coincidence of the 2 events should make her paranoid
towards her father, regardless of BOB seeming to enter from outdoors. But I guess
Laura's denial was pretty strong, and the cocaine use aided her mind in its
distractions.
Skibbb
S. Bellum
>Even if (in her denial) she thought it coincidence her father switched
>the fan on every night BOB visited, BOB telling her the fan was about
>to start when she knows physically her father throws the switch, well it
>should connect the dots that BOB controls her father *at least* enough
>to turn the fan on for him. What else...? Perhaps that's why that was
>edited out.
I think this line was edited out just because all of BOB's dialogue was, but
you're right in that it wouldn't have made much sense if it'd been included.
Laura was in denial. Was Leland? Doesn't he tell Laura that he thought she
knew he'd been molesting her?
-Erythrin
S. Bellum
The number one flaw in relation to the series is that Mike knows exactly who
BOB's host is in FWWM and then somehow forgets by the time the series rolls
around. Of course, this is only a flaw if you think Mike is one of the good
guys.
-Erythrin
Thomas Michanek
> I would say, Leland's BOB-buzz was reinforced by the sound of the
>fan, as well as by the electromagnetic fluctuating whumm-whumm-whum
>affecting Leland's damaged mind (and adding to Laura's terror -
remember,
>she thought she was dreaming. He came to her as an incubus.)
>
>http://www.pantheon.org/mythica/articles/i/incubus.html
>
>>Incubus
>>
>>In medieval European folklore, the incubus is a male demon (or evil
>>spirit) who visits women in their sleep to lie with them in ghostly
>>sexual intercourse. The woman who falls victim to an incubus will not
>>awaken, although may experience it in a dream. Should she
>>get pregnant the child will grow inside her as any normal child,
except
>>that it will possess supernatural capabilities. Usually the child
grows into
>>a person of evil intent or a powerful wizard. Legend has it that the
>>magician Merlin was the result of the union of an incubus and a nun. A
>>succubus is the female variety, and she concentrates herself on men.
>>According to one legend, the incubus and the succubus were fallen
angels.
>>
>>The word incubus is Latin for "nightmare".
On a side note, this is not entirely correct.
"incubus" is Latin for "the one lying on top", from "incubo" (lie on
top).
This was the old Roman's term for the forest god Faunus, due to his
habit
of taking advantage of sleeping women. During the medieval witch-trials,
the term was used for a male demon having intercourse with women during
their sleep. "Incubus" has also become a name for the classical
nightmare
where the dreamer feels a pressure over the chest.
The correct form of "succubus" is "succuba", since it's a female. This
is
Latin for "the one lying beneath" (from "sub" and "cubo").
The plural forms are "incubi" and "succubi".
In European folklore, a "mare" is an evil spirit harassing or
suffocating
its victims, both men and animals. A "night-mare" is a mare that appears
during sleep, and has striking similarities to incubus/succuba.
And of course, the similarities between incubus/succuba and the "aliens"
abducting UFO victims have also been pointed out...
Regards,
/Thomas Michanek
(old contributor to the TP Timeline)
Skibbb
> >Twin Peaks locations have trees full of leaves, and everyone dressing light.
> >Not in Washington state in Februrary, unless those old woods really do have
> >some magic.
> The number one flaw in relation to the series is that Mike knows exactly who
> BOB's host is in FWWM and then somehow forgets by the time the series rolls
> around. Of course, this is only a flaw if you think Mike is one of the good
> guys.
True, he even knows his name. But the "summer in February" flaw is within the
movie itself, and also somewhat into the series. (Hey, continuity! ;)
Skibbb
Skibbb
> Laura was in denial. Was Leland? Doesn't he tell Laura that he thought she
> knew he'd been molesting her?
At the traincar, yes, Leland holds up the torn pages, saying "I thought you knew
it was me all along," then he goes off camera on the right & BOB pops in from
the left repeating, "I thought you knew it was me!". Confusing for any non-TP
viewer, but for us - is that Leland or BOB crowing?
During Leland's confession, he claims that he couldn't remember after the times
BOB took over. The outside force repressed memories, and they came flooding
back after BOB's exit. But I wonder more and more about the "real Leland"; was
"his" only scene in FWWM when he broke down crying and told Laura he loved her?
Perhaps BOB had to be driving his vehicle close to full time to maintain the
facade at that point. Otherwise, we'd think Leland would be bothered about
these blackouts and finding hundreds of extra miles on the car, receipts for
motels (or cash out of the account).
Skibbb
tric...@hotmail.com
dinsm...@aol.com (Michael Dinsmore) wrote:
>
>How about the fact that there was a foghorn on what must be a river? If I
>remember correctly, TP is in the NorthEast corner of the state--and there is
>nothing like a saltwater inlet that far inland. I don't think they put
>foghorns on rivers, though I suppose they might.
>
>If someone remembers that TP is in the NW corner of the state, I'll stand
>corrected on this incongruity.
>
>M Dinsmore
>"The lonely foghorn blows."
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E6. Where is TP supposed to be?
It's in the State of Washington, but where exactly is not clear. In Cooper's
initial monologue to Diane as he's driving into town, he states that it's
"five miles south of the Canadian border and twelve miles west of the state
line". That would seem to place it in the northeast corner of the state.
However the surrounding geography is like that of the Cascade Mountains in
western Washington. References to cities such as Seattle and Tacoma, but not
Spokane, also seem to place it in western Washington. The show's creators
seem to have smooshed the state so that it all fits west of the Cascades.
The pilot draft, entitled "Northwest Passage", is clearly set in eastern
Washington and features Ponderosa Pines instead of Douglas firs. The setting
change was almost undoubtedly caused by the decision to film the pilot in the
Seattle area, rather than in eastern Washington, where they would be far from
local production resources and local actors.
Approximate ASCII map of Washington State (courtesy of Pete Zakel
[p...@cadence.com]):
North British Columbia (Canada)
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| \ Twin *|
| Peaks | I
\ | D
_ | | A
|\__ | | H
/ --___ | | O
| ---_ | WASHINGTON |
\ \ / |
| | | Spokane * |
| | |* Seattle |
| | | |
\ | / |
| \_/* Tacoma |
| |
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| * Yakima |
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E7. Where was it filmed?
Many of the outdoor shots were filmed in Snoqualmie, Washington (and the
surrounding area), which is in the Cascades, not too far from Seattle. The
waterfall is there; the Great Northern Hotel is really the Salish Lodge
(although it doesn't look like the GNH on the inside--the interiors of both
the GNH and the Packard/Martell home were filmed in the Kiana Lodge); and the
RR Diner is really the Mar-T Cafe.
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Trichome
Mindy
Mirjam Visser wrote...
>
> >It was brewed in Seattle (named after Mount Rainier which is right
there...)
>
> This is completely OT, but isn't Mount Rainier one of America's most
> dangerous volcano's?
I've never heard mention of Mt Rainier being dangerous, but when I did a
little (very little! :) web looking, a page did call it very "potentially"
dangerous, because of it's size and slope and proximity to such a large
populated area. But it actually hasn't erupted for over 2000 years. Maybe
you were thinking of Mt St Helens, which erupted pretty big in 1980? I
still remember having to wear masks on the way to school, so as not to
breathe in any ash. But that's all I know about volcanoes... :)
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<tric...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:trichome-240...@ppp36.blackbox1-mfs.netaxs.com...
Not that this is necessarily definitive, but I have a Japanese promotional
book for Fire Walk With Me that includes both a map of the actual state and
a fictional map of where Twin Peaks would be. According to that picture, TP
is north of Seattle on Rte 21, placing it in the NE corner of the state.
Doesn't really answer the question about that foghorn, now does it?
- Josh
Michael Dinsmore
>news:37C1A704...@erthlink.net...
>its own little dreamworld outside of the flow of real time. The summer in
>February stuff never bothered me, nor did the fact that the high schoolers
>seem to go to school on Saturdays.
>
>- Josh
Skibbb
> How about the fact that there was a foghorn on what must be a river? If I
That's why the foghorn's lonesome. I wondered this same question a few months
back, someone replied that inland bodies of water can have foghorns if there are
hazards to avoid. The waterfall outside the GNH might qualify, and it's heard
during at least one GNH exterior shot. But the other locations we repeatedly
hear it, the Johnson home & the Packard's Blue Pine Lodge are on Pearl Lake(s).
If Pearl Lake empties into the waterfall, has lots of boating traffic and
frequent fog, then maybe.
Skibbb
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Thomas Michanek wrote:
< In European folklore, a "mare" is an evil spirit harassing or suffocating
its victims, both men and animals. A "night-mare" is a mare that appears
during sleep, and has striking similarities to incubus/succuba. >
A nightmare is in fact an incubus. Thanks for that great post, especially
since I've read many people mistake the origin of 'nightmare' (and I'm not
one of them only because I'm not primarily English-speaking, ie, I learnt a
mare was that creature *before* I knew it's also a female horse, gee).
A very good and well-known representation of all that is Fuseli's painting
'The Nightmare'
(http://www.artmagick.com/paintings/fuseli/fuseli4.jpg). The apparition
there of a
horse/mare seems to point to that mistake being very old and have grown an
iconography of its own.
The Devil Chicken
'Finger-lickin' Evil!'
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Thomas Michanek
>A nightmare is in fact an incubus.
I'm not sure it's that straight-forward. At least in Swedish folklore,
the erotic nature of the incubus is often missing from the stories
about the "mara". The "mara" is nearly always a woman, which is the
victim of a curse, forcing her to become a "mara" during nights, i.e.
it's not really an evil demon like the stories about incubus/succuba.
>[...] I learnt a
>mare was that creature *before* I knew it's also a female horse, gee).
>[...] The apparition there of a
>horse/mare seems to point to that mistake being very old and have grown
an
>iconography of its own.
Perhaps this can be traced back to the "mara" stories, in which it's
very common that she/it harasses horses during night. I doubt there is
such a connection, though. The Swedish word for the horse "mare" is
different from the creature "mare", at least.
/Thomas Michanek
(Old contributor to the TP timeline)
Scarecrow
wrote:
>Twin Peaks (the whole series, not just the Lodges) seems to take place in
>its own little dreamworld outside of the flow of real time. The summer in
>February stuff never bothered me, nor did the fact that the high schoolers
>seem to go to school on Saturdays.
>
>- Josh
>
This, going to school on Saturdays, error motivated me to check on the dates of
each episode. With a few glaring exceptions each episode is one day's events,
Episode 1 is the events of Friday, February 24, 1989 and so on. Episode 7 and 8
occur on Thursday, March 2, 1989. Episode 17 is Saturday, March 11 and Sunday,
March 12, 1989. The next Episode begins with the subtitle Three Days Later thus
it is Wed, Mar 15, 1989. There are no days on which the kids go to school on a
Saturday or a Sunday but there are plenty of weekdays on which none of the
principle kid characters are in school. They are either ditching or someone
goofed.
My biggest problem is that I have 30 episodes but every one here says that there
are only 29. I've come up with 30 seperate director credits though.
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S. Bellum
>My biggest problem is that I have 30 episodes but every one here says
>that there are only 29. I've come up with 30 seperate director credits
though.
The pilot is counted separately.
-Erythrin
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Thomas Michanek wrote:
<< A nightmare is in fact an incubus. >>
First off, allow me to correct myself, I meant of course a mare, not a
nightmare, but you already noticed that...
< I'm not sure it's that straight-forward. At least in Swedish folklore, the
erotic nature of the incubus is often missing from the stories about the
"mara". The "mara" is nearly always a woman, which is the victim of a curse,
forcing her to become a "mara" during nights, i.e. it's not really an evil
demon like the stories about incubus/succuba. >
This is indeed most interesting. All my info comes from British folklore
(Javier Marías, 'Mañana en la batalla piensa en mí', to name one source),
and there indeed mares are always mentioned as male -incubus- and have a
very erotic nature. Then again, that info may be wrong, though a look at
both famous paintings by Füssli (Fuseli), and indeed their name ('Nightmare
(Incubus)') seems to also point in that direction.
The most likely explanation I can think of is that we're referring to
different kinds of 'entities' that share a name in two different languages
or cultures -something not at all unlikely since History's full of examples
of that.
< Perhaps this can be traced back to the "mara" stories, in which it's very
common that she/it harasses horses during night. I doubt there is such a
connection, though. The Swedish word for the horse "mare" is different from
the creature "mare", at
least. >
Here I'd think it applies more to English-speaking people not generally
knowing what a mare is apart from a female horse. But what you said makes me
wonder about the significance of mares-horses on Füssli's paintings, which
certainly look harassed too (in one of them particularly).
BTW, I didn't mention it before, but after consulting the Timeline furiously
for the longest time and even translating it into Spanish for a friend, it's
a real privilege for me to be having this conversation with you.
The Devil Chicken
'Finger-lickin' Evil!' (R)
Marcelo E Mazzanti
trichome wrote:
<<A very good and well-known representation of all that is Fuseli's painting
'The Nightmare'
(http://www.artmagick.com/paintings/fuseli/fuseli4.jpg). >>
<Excellent site. Thank you. >
It's the second time I say this today, but coming from you, I value that
comment very highly. It's great to see other people looking into one of your
favorite sites (instead of just grabbing the pic).
< I thought for sure you meant the other white Fuseli horse,
but I've given up looking for it. >
Well then, happy birthday! (In case it's your birthday.)
http://sunsite.auc.dk/cgfa/f/p-fuseli4.htm
(The one you were looking for.)
http://www.artchive.com/artchive/F/fussli/fuseli_nightmare.jpg.html
(A higher-quality pic of the first one.)
As they say, that's what friends are for!
<< The apparition there of a horse/mare seems to point to that mistake
being very old and have grown an iconography of its own. >>
< I've come to agree with this wholeheartedly.
As the former Art History student, I've failed to take Lynch's
roots as a painter seriously. >
No-one can be a genius at everything, I guess. I, for one, have never found
the least trace of genius (or even non-vulgarity, or even a point) in his
furniture design.
The Devil Chicken
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Summer substitute for Marcelo E Mazzanti
Mindy
Scarecrow wrote ...
> My biggest problem is that I have 30 episodes but every one here says that
there
> are only 29. I've come up with 30 seperate director credits though.
The '29 episodes' does not include the pilot. (For example, check out the
Box Set - says Episodes 1 - 29, but it does not have the pilot, aka
Northwest Passage, you have to get that separately) The pilot would be your
30th episode, but we usually don't refer to it as an episode, but as "the
pilot"....
--
~Mindy~
ICQ# 45280054
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Scarecrow wrote:
< There are no days on which the kids go to school on a
Saturday or a Sunday but there are plenty of weekdays on which none of the
principle kid characters are in school. They are either ditching or someone
goofed. >
Mmm, interesting, given that it was something many of us took for granted
without even checking dates. However, I suspect this is as unimportant as
the chess game not being a real chess game.
< My biggest problem is that I have 30 episodes but every one here says that
there
are only 29. I've come up with 30 seperate director credits though. >
Since first was the pilot and then the series, said pilot is not usually
considered the first ep. So you're right, there are 30 'eps' in total.
The Devil Chicken
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Work begins again in <2 days.
<36 hrs to do nothin', sob sob
Thomas Michanek
><< A nightmare is in fact an incubus. >>
>
>First off, allow me to correct myself, I meant of course a mare, not a
>nightmare, but you already noticed that...
I didn't even notice that "mistake"... (I'm so into folklore anyway :)
BTW, guess what the Swedish word for "nightmare" (the bad dream) is,
translated back to English?
"mare-dream"
>This is indeed most interesting. All my info comes from British
folklore
>[...]
>The most likely explanation I can think of is that we're referring to
>different kinds of 'entities' that share a name in two different
languages
>or cultures -something not at all unlikely since History's full of
examples
>of that.
It's generally very hard to trace the origins of stories in folklore.
Swedish folklore is influenced by nordic mythology and celtic folklore,
so it's hard to figure out if a story describes the same creature by
another name, another creature by the same name, or is simply borrowed
and possibly tailored to a new environment. Another explanation could
be that that many beings in folklore have the power to change their
appearance/behaviour depending on who and why the appearance is for.
>BTW, I didn't mention it before, but after consulting the Timeline
furiously
>for the longest time and even translating it into Spanish for a friend,
it's
>a real privilege for me to be having this conversation with you.
Well, thank you :-) Up until last week, I haven't read this group for
years,
and I have no idea what the state of the TP archives and "projects"
are...
I still have a lot of corrections to the timeline, for instance, but I
have no idea when it was last updated and if anyone would care about
updates nowadays. I have noticed you are a frequent (and interesting :)
poster, but I don't know for how long you've been here and how much you
know about the current status of archives, etc. Feel free to update me,
through private email if you wish.
Regards,
/Thomas "Chess board diagrams" Michanek :-)
Mirjam Visser
You are right about the possible dangerous. I was mistaken. Mount Rainier is
a St. Helens-type volcano. It erupted heavily in the first century b.c.
There has been little activity after that. I read however that there are
small signs that the mountain will erupt in the future and that it can be
dangerous to the inhabitants of Seattle. I didn't read about when this is
going to take place. It is only a prediction, nothing more.
I know about mount St. Helens in 1980. Mount St. Helens is just as Mount
Rainier in the Cascade Range, Washington state. Mount St. Helens is normally
quiet. There have been times however that the volcano erupted explosively
and a lot of damage was done by the pyroclastic flows and shockwaves. The
most recent eruption was in 1980. A great deal of the forest was devastated
because of the pyroclastic flows and lahars. Part of the volcano collapsed
under the enormous pressure of the magma and an eartquake (5,0 on Richters
scale). Because of this the mountain blew up and lost a great deal of its
height.
The volcanic region I meant however was Yellowstone. Yellowstone has a big
magmachamber below the earth's surface and erupts about every 600.000 years.
The last eruption was 615.000 years ago. I read recently that there has been
an uplift of the soil. This could be indicating that the region will erupt
at some point.