What is this Foreign Languages 101 !?!?
Brian Dennison
posted in that? I thought this was a Twin Peaks sight, not the United
Nations. Let's get back to Log Ladies and BOB and the Lodges! IN ENGLISH
PLEASE! I know it's not the planetary standard, but it would save a lot
of time and BS-ing around with this NG. You people bitch if you have to
"waste time" downloading a "flame", how do you think it make's people
feel to waste valuable time & money to see a post in Yiddish or Swahilli
or whatever! As I mentioned before, would it be asking too much to use a
word, phrase or symbol to indicate a foreign language posting?
Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
Brian Dennison
Specifically- Isn't there some way that people posting non-English or
patially non-English postings could indicate this by the use of a word,
phrase or symbol? Those of us who don't understand these languages could
then skip over those postings to ones we DO understand, is this so hard
to understand?
As far as foreign language postings (FLP) representing 1% of these
postings...1% literally means 1 per hundred. At an average amount of
postings on this NG being 400, then there should only be about 4 FLP.
Try counting them and you will surely get a higher percentage. I'm not
asking the FLP go elsewhere, I'm just asking that they be more
identifiable so those of us speaking only English can pass them over for
something we CAN read. Comprende?
Marcelo E Mazzanti
*I* would be impressed if you posted in Klingon.
That much of your valuable time and money are you wasting here? Last time I
checked, less that 1% of the postings were not in English.
I already agreed that English is the main language of the Net and all, but I
respectfully think you're exaggerating a little here. I don't mind
downloading some messages in, say, Swedish, even if I undestand them less
than if they were written in Klingon.
So why do you always sign 'Peace & Love' right after slashing someone or
something? (Rhetorical question.)
Adiós.
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'I couldn't promise you that I would always make sense (MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE
LANGUAGE) or do things that you'd expect me to do (LIKE ALWAYS POSTING IN
ENGLISH)'. -Annie
Brian Dennison escribió en mensaje
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Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Brian Dennison escribió en mensaje
>Those of us who don't understand these languages could
>then skip over those postings to ones we DO understand, is this so hard
>to understand?
No. After all, you wrote in plain English. ;)
>As far as foreign language postings (FLP) representing 1% of these
>postings...1% literally means 1 per hundred. At an average amount of
>postings on this NG being 400, then there should only be about 4 FLP.
>Try counting them and you will surely get a higher percentage.
You're right on that. But the parcentage is still ridiculous.
>I'm not
>asking the FLP go elsewhere, I'm just asking that they be more
>identifiable so those of us speaking only English can pass them over for
>something we CAN read. Comprende?
Comprendo.
Anyway, I didn't say I disagreed entirely with you, I just thought (and
still think) that you're taking it out of proportion. I'd be in Heaven -make
that the White Lodge- if other NGs had as little 'disregardable' (your
opinion, not mine) postings as this one.
Maybe other people can give us their oppinions on this, and if many think of
it as passionately as you, we others then would be morally bound to do
something about it. Fair enough?
>Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'I couldn't promise you that I would always make sense or do things that
you'd expect me to do'. -Annie
kbee
when downloading. Personally, I think the foreign language posts are kind
of fun, but I don't have to pay extra to view them. How about adding "FL:"
to the front of the subject line? Short, sweet and to the point.
Mazel tov, y'all.
Mindy
Marcelo E Mazzanti wrote in message <6r6t27$a...@wendy.mad.servicom.es>...
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>Maybe other people can give us their oppinions on this, and if many think
of
>it as passionately as you, we others then would be morally bound to do
>something about it. Fair enough?
Ok, here is my opinion on this: As a general rule, I do not have a problem
with people posting in other languages. They have every right to do so.
However, I also feel very left out of whatever discussion they are having.
I see these on-going threads and I wonder what they are talking about, is it
something that I would like to know or perhaps could contribute something
to. I believe the purpose of the newsgroup is to share with the whole group
and not to just have a "conversation" with one other person. That is what
e-mail is for. I guess it just seems more courteous (that's not the word I
really want, but now I can't think of what it is) to post things to the
group that the entire group will be able to read.
But I restate- people have EVERY RIGHT to use their native tongues, and I
see no purpose in continually being rude and complaining about it.
Mindy
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>Ok already! I speak KLINGON, would anyone/everyone be impressed if I
>posted in that?
I wouldn't be impressed, but I wouldn't have anything against it either, go
right ahead and post in whatever language you desire. No skin off my back...
>I thought this was a Twin Peaks sight, not the United Nations.
Yes this is a Twin Peaks _newsgroup_ not the United Nations :-)
>Let's get back to Log Ladies and BOB and the Lodges!
I never realised we had stopped...
>IN ENGLISH PLEASE! I know it's not the planetary standard, but it would save
>a lot of time and BS-ing around with this NG.
I don't mind writing in english, actually I prefer it over my own, first,
language when it comes to discussing Twin Peaks. Though I don't understand
why you have such a problem with people that doesn't write in english. if
people wants to write in swahili, swedish, klingon or whatever. Let them.
No biggie. I don't see the problem? As you say english is not "planetary
standard" and this newsgroup isn't exclusively for those who speaks (writes)
in something other than english. And even though someone may be able to
speak (write) in english but sometimes writes in some other language, then
so be it. If I speak for myself I have only written in an other language
than english when it haven't concerned anyone other than people that could
understand it. "it would save a lot of time and BS-ing around with this NG."
How would it save time? How would it stop "BS-ing around with this NG"? I've
never seen it, and still don't, as a problem. Things are what you make em,
nothing more nothing less. You make it a problem.
>You people bitch if you have to "waste time" downloading a "flame"
I don't bitch about it. I download posts, read through em roughly and thrash
the things I don't want to read and then save the rest to read.
>how do you think it make's people feel to waste valuable time & money to
>see a post in Yiddish or Swahilli or whatever!
Non-moderated newsgroups are open for people to say and write whatever they
like. Sometimes that's good sometimes not. I don't like spam, flames and
postings about things that are of no interest to me. But if I don't like it
I skip them. I can't believe that there is a problem for anyone to just
delete posts when they see that it isn't in english/of no interest to them.
>As I mentioned before, would it be asking too much to use a
>word, phrase or symbol to indicate a foreign language posting?
This I can agree with. That's not to much to ask, if the whole post is in
another language than english than some sort of symbol/word would be in
place.
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<marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es> wrote:
>That much of your valuable time and money are you wasting here? Last time I
>checked, less that 1% of the postings were not in English.
Exactly
>I already agreed that English is the main language of the Net and all, but I
>respectfully think you're exaggerating a little here. I don't mind
>downloading some messages in, say, Swedish, even if I undestand them less
>than if they were written in Klingon.
"less than"? :-)
>'I couldn't promise you that I would always make sense (MAYBE BECAUSE OF THE
>LANGUAGE) or do things that you'd expect me to do (LIKE ALWAYS POSTING IN
>ENGLISH)'. -Annie
Preach on brother Mazzanti!! ;-)
doppelcooper@hotmail.com®
>I think your point is valid, since some folks have to pay by the message
>when downloading.
Who?
>Personally, I think the foreign language posts are kind
>of fun, but I don't have to pay extra to view them.
Hehe... "kind of fun"? :-)
>How about adding "FL:"
>to the front of the subject line? Short, sweet and to the point.
That could be a good idea. Though I wan't it to stay just with that. A
code/word for foreign posts can be useful but I just hope we don't end up
like for example like the australian x-files newsgroup that have like 20
codes for different kinds of posts.....
Karl Lehtonen
I don't agree at all. The Nazis in WW2 made the Jews wear the star of david so that people could
see that they were jewish; is this what you want to do? For fuckssake let people post in different
languages if they want to (but email would probably be more appropriate for extended threads...).
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Brian Dennison
Sam! Hell, I'm not even Robert's son(BOB) I'm just a regular guy who
doesn't like to waste MY valuable time clicking onto and waiting for
posts that I cannot read! Am I asking too much for a simple means of
avoiding them? I imagine there are TP NG readers that would rather not
read about all of us hashing and re-hashing this subject! If I am going
to be insinuated as being a "cyber-nazi" then I would suggest that
everyone who posts indicate their nationality and religion in the title
of their posts! I'm not asking for this. If posting in your choice of
languages is such a thrill, then maybe consider posting a translation
right after in the same post. Sounds like a time consuming tedious task,
doesn't it? Well now you see us English only posters' side don't you?
Someone mentioned that they posted in a foreign language so ONLY those
speaking that language could respond....isn't THAT kind of rude?! That
is what E-MAIL is for! If it's SO important to carry on your "private
little threads" then e-mail each other or create YOUR OWN news groups
such as (Alt.Tv.TwinPeaks4foreignlanguagespeakingposters)? After all
this NG is supposed to be for people to discuss and exchange ideas, but
how can we do that if we can't translate each other? Think on it.
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Brian Dennison escribió en mensaje
>Sorry paranoid person,
How cute of you.
>I'm just a regular guy who
>doesn't like to waste MY valuable time clicking onto and waiting for
>posts that I cannot read!
How much does exactly your time value? Because we're talking about, what, 10
seconds in a week to dowload the massive amount of foreign language postings
that are making this NG virtually impossible to understand for an
English-speaking person?
>Am I asking too much for a simple means of
>avoiding them? I imagine there are TP NG readers that would rather not
>read about all of us hashing and re-hashing this subject!
As I told: let the people speak. So far you're 0/3 -maybe it's you who
should reconsider.
> If I am going
>to be insinuated as being a "cyber-nazi"
No, just a very rude person.
>then I would suggest that
>everyone who posts indicate their nationality and religion in the title
>of their posts!
Yeah, right. That would be a great next step.
>I'm not asking for this. If posting in your choice of
>languages is such a thrill, then maybe consider posting a translation
>right after in the same post. Sounds like a time consuming tedious task,
>doesn't it? Well now you see us English only posters' side don't you?
Do you think that's comparable? Also, 'us' has until now turned only to be
'you.' Or are you speaking on behalf of the 'silent majority'?
>Someone mentioned that they posted in a foreign language so ONLY those
>speaking that language could respond....isn't THAT kind of rude?! That
>is what E-MAIL is for! If it's SO important to carry on your "private
>little threads" then e-mail each other or create YOUR OWN news groups
>such as (Alt.Tv.TwinPeaks4foreignlanguagespeakingposters)? After all
>this NG is supposed to be for people to discuss and exchange ideas,
Or exchange insults in some cases.
>but
>how can we do that if we can't translate each other? Think on it.
Maybe if you toned down a little some people would take the time to think
upon what you're saying, but 'Sorry paranoid person' isn't the kind of
opener that makes you think 'Oh, there might be something interesting here.'
I can't wait to hear your next insults.
>Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
All in all, it would be a great idea if you indeed posted in Klingon.
'No puedo prometer que lo que haga vaya siempre a tener sentido o ser lo que
esperas de mí' -Anita
Karl Lehtonen
> Sorry paranoid person, I am not son of Hitler, son of Satan NOR son of
> Sam! Hell, I'm not even Robert's son(BOB) I'm just a regular guy who
> doesn't like to waste MY valuable time clicking onto and waiting for
> posts that I cannot read! Am I asking too much for a simple means of
> avoiding them? I imagine there are TP NG readers that would rather not
> read about all of us hashing and re-hashing this subject! If I am going
> to be insinuated as being a "cyber-nazi" then I would suggest that
> everyone who posts indicate their nationality and religion in the title
> of their posts! I'm not asking for this. If posting in your choice of
> languages is such a thrill, then maybe consider posting a translation
> right after in the same post. Sounds like a time consuming tedious task,
> doesn't it? Well now you see us English only posters' side don't you?
> Someone mentioned that they posted in a foreign language so ONLY those
> speaking that language could respond....isn't THAT kind of rude?!
YES! I think it's one of the rudest things that people can do! I was in Changi Airport in Singapore
when some fukhead from Indonesia came up behind me and said to a friend of his "Bloody westerners,
what are they doing in our continent?!" I went off at him in Indonesian, and I doubt he'll go to
another country and discriminate against his fellow visitors in the near future... :)
> That
> is what E-MAIL is for! If it's SO important to carry on your "private
> little threads" then e-mail each other or create YOUR OWN news groups
> such as (Alt.Tv.TwinPeaks4foreignlanguagespeakingposters)? After all
> this NG is supposed to be for people to discuss and exchange ideas, but
> how can we do that if we can't translate each other? Think on it.
>
> Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
LOL, agreed; mea culpa. I know yr not a nazi, and I do see your point. I just think you could
possibly be a little more patient cause there are hardly any posts in languages other than
English...
Brian Dennison
should have your own news group since you lke to be the main poster on
this one (test, test) and that would get you outta my hair! Read Karl's
post- in a nutshell, deliberately speaking a foreign language around
others in the same conversation that cannot understand you is RUDE!!!!
THAT IS WAT E-MAIL IS FOR!!!!
Brian Dennison
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Igg444
people can read it, and I agree they would be better off e-mailing each other,
America is a free country, and the last time I checked the internet is
virtually a free "society", so anyone can post anything they want in any
language they want. If you want an English-only NG, start your own, just as if
they want a foreign-only NG they should start their own. Then the true fans
can get down to business and get back on topic, which it seems no one wants to
do anymore. Everyone's too busy bashing and re-bashing each other, we've
forgotten what this is supposed to be about.
Mike
"Can't we all just get along?"-Rodney King
Marcelo E Mazzanti
Brian Dennison escribió en mensaje
>Marcello ole buddy- HA HA Smartass
See what I meant?
>- My numbers are growing!
Congrats.
> Maybe YOU
>should have your own news group since you lke to be the main poster on
>this one (test, test)
What's this, a competition? Are there prizes?
> and that would get you outta my hair!
Also, you can discriminate my postings by name, so you wouldn't have to lose
your valuable time.
>Read Karl's
>post-
Which, BTW, tells of something I've myself experienced and is absolutely
right to be mad at.
>in a nutshell, deliberately speaking a foreign language around
>others in the same conversation that cannot understand you is RUDE!!!!
>THAT IS WAT E-MAIL IS FOR!!!!
Now, for the last time (I'll try to make it easy):
- Did I say I thought you were absolutely wrong? NO.
- Did I say 'Let's see what other people think and act accordingly'? YES.
- Did I think you're exaggerating things a lot? YES.
- Did I say you're extremely rude? YES.
>Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
I fear after the night the longest night will come -LE Aute
Marcelo E Mazzanti
(YAWN)
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'Waste no time arguing what a good man should be. Be one.' Marcus Aurelius.
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Marcello: Yea Woof! Me 1.5, numbers still
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Peace & Love, Brian & Cris Dennison
kbee
Every language is a foreign language (to somebody).
Me.
(You can quote me, using any language you please. If you're in California,
please use Spanish as often as possible, especially in school.)
My $0.02 is that the only reason to assume English (actually, YankSpeak) is
the default language of this group is because TP was produced in English,
and that's the format most readily available. I've not seen anything in
Usenet, or elsewhere on the Net, that says "Talks English or Die, Buster!"
While I support keeping things sorted for the sake of everybody's
efficiency, I absolutely do not want to see the Usenet arena degenerate
into just another McWorld where the Yanks rule the language and the
culture. Gags me just to think about it.
Vive le différance, y'all!
Marcelo E Mazzanti
I agree 100% with everything you say. I've involved myself in an argument
that's long enough past the expiration date. I've done exactly the contrary
to what I think this NG (and all others) should be about, and I've let
myself go and answered to insults only with more insults.
As I wouldn't put it any better than you yourself did, with your permission
I'll take your posting as my final statement on the matter. I assume 50% of
the responsibility, apologize sincerely for all inconveniences to you and
other damn fine people in this NG, and from now on shut my trap on this
thread. Now let's get back to what we truly like!
marcelo....@bcn.servicom.es
'Waste no time arguing what a good man should be. Be one.' -Marcus Aurelius.
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Karl Lehtonen
Damn tootin'! Y'all tell it like it is brother!
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