Now make a lame L00ny comeback full of meaningless myths!
LOL
Thanks for that! The liberals here and in the Democrats newsgroup are
being total pussies about that crossposting thread. I wonder if its
because the Republican newsgroup has the entire Democratic newsgroup
killfiled, and vice versa.
Isn't it funny how usenet mimics life?
*smirk*
-Aaron
On 2/2/06 11:05 AM, in article
1138899943....@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "atlas...@yahoo.com"
<atlas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I think you pretty well got the corner on that market, judging by your first
paragraph. 'Nuff said...
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What exactly was he lying about, Rick? Or are you just saying that
because Rush and Ann Coulter told you to?
He's a liberal...pick a subject, he's probably lying about it.
"Probably" lying about it.
So in other words, you were just saying it because all the other
conservatives say it too.
When you're ready to give me something concrete, let's talk.
"make a lame L00ny comeback full of meaningless myths."
You've got no game to fight the truth I posted, L00nboy.
Hehehe. Yup.
Although it's kinda funny. I've been reading some of Rick's other
posts, and he has some unnatural obsession with the word "lie". Every
one of his responses pretty much are, "You are lying." "That's a lie."
"Lie lie lie." "I love lie."
Also, instead of making any coherent points he just calls people
idiots, etc. You won't be taken seriously in a debate if all you can do
is attack the other side.
But, we're used to that. After all, if we disagree with the President
we're "traitors" apparently.
The thing that cracks me up the most is that, whenever somebody tries
to make a point, or at least asks someone to respond to a point, they
instead just say something like "Shut up stupid liberal", instead of
actually engaging in a discussion.
O RLY?!
hehe.
In seriousness though, I think there is too much of the insult-hurling
from both sides. Once, just once, I'd like to have a respectful debate
with someone on the other side. *sigh* Ah well.
It is not incumbent on anyone to prove a negative. It is the task of the
Bush detractors to prove he lied about the WMDs, not the other way around.
All arguments therefore generated downstream from that base accusation are
on shaky ground at best. If you have proof of Presidential malfeasance and
think the US Congress or the FBI would be interesting in knowing about it -
write them a letter and spare the folks here that are interested in chatting
up 24.
Sign it Jack Bauer, I'm sure they'll get a kick out of it.
WM
Do you hear that?
WOO WOO! Here comes the clue train! Last stop: you.
I don't recall seeing anything about lying about WMDs in the original
message. To recall:
> Go tap someone's phone already! Or maybe arrest someone for wearing a
> tee-shirt! Or commit treason and reveal the identity of an intelligence
> officer! Or lobby for more tax cuts for the rich! Or lie to some
> citizens of New Orleans and say you'll help rebuild their city! Or
> deplete our military and National Guard! Or ignore Al-Qaeda!
I could be wrong, but there was no mention of Bush lying to go to war
with Iraq in there. Can you find any?
Joe
In other words, you were lying.
Admittedly, I should have led off the second sentence in my remarks with
"For example, it is the task...". My omission. Now that you are armed with
that extra bit of information, I'll leave it to you to apply my remarks
towards any future big picture discussions about Bush, his politics and what
it is about them you don't like. Consider it a one size fits all response to
a one sized fits all diatribe of mindless atacks upon Bush & conservatives -
shall I leave it to chance, no I shall not - whether that concerns WMDs,
wiretaps, Jack Abramoff, election results in FL, etc. etc. etc.
Got it now bub? Great.
WM
Got it.
Allow me to, at least, respond to the wiretaps. From the Foreign
Intelligence Surveillance Act
Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney
General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order
under this subchapter to acquire foreign intelligence information for
periods of up to one year if the Attorney General certifies in writing
under oath that-
...snip...
(B) there is no substantial likelihood that the surveillance will
acquire the contents of any communication to which a United States
person is a party; and
For clarification, the definition of a "United States person":
(i) "United States person" means a citizen of the United States, an
alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence (as defined in section
1101 (a)(20) of title 8), an unincorporated association a substantial
number of members of which are citizens of the United States or aliens
lawfully admitted for permanent residence, or a corporation which is
incorporated in the United States, but does not include a corporation
or an association which is a foreign power, as defined in subsection
(a)(1), (2), or (3) of this section.
To make sure I'm not quoting it out of context, here is the source:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sup_01_50_10_36_20_I.html
Now please read, for example, this article:
http://www.newsobserver.com/114/story/387483.html
Note this sentence: "Even as he delivered a lengthy defense of the
program, Bush stepped back from the seemingly strong opposition he
expressed last month to a public investigation of his decision to allow
the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on communications between
people in the United States, including U.S. citizens, and those in
other countries in suspected terrorism cases."
So, to sum up. He authorized the NSA to eavesdrop on communications
that involve U.S. citizens, who fall under the definition of a "United
States person". So, for this to have gone forward, the Attorney General
would have to certify under oath that there is no substantial
likelihood that these wiretaps would apply to these citizens.
So, either (1) he did swear this under oath, and therefore could be
guilty of perjury, or (2) he did not swear this under oath and thus
this monitoring violates 50 USC Sec. 1802.
Nope, I am saying it from experience with liberals.
Actually no, I simply dismissed you as the retarded, self-deluded liberal
you are.
Only because you liberals can't stop yourselves from lying.
No, in other words he was lying. Now you are.
In fact, anyone who is colluding with, conspiring with, aiding
and abeting, or otherwise supporting terrorists are themselves
subject to the Patriot Act on -equal- par with the terrorists.
Don't believe it? Try contacting some al-Qaeda liaison at the
Al Jazeera network and see how fast your ass gets red flagged
and ALL of your communications--electronic and otherwise--
tapped, surveilled and cross-referenced faster than you can
say "Guantanamo Bay, Baby!"
But of course, the milquetoasts protesting NSA wiretaps-without-
warrants are mainly Liberals, or Republican politicians fearing
narrowing margins in their districts for the mid-term elections.
Liberals fear the wiretaps because of their consistent support
of terrorists and consistent treason against our US Government,
our US Military, and against mainstream Republicans in general.
In fact, let's see if the FBI, CIA, NSA, HLS, et al are getting
"hits" on YOUR conversations, you anti-American Liberal scumbag!
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=100&q=author%3Ajat...@gmail.com&safe=off
Liberal "Joe Attardi" <jatt...@gmail.com> wrote:
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"Atheism -
the *belief* that there is no God, or denial that
God or gods exist." [end quote, emphasis added]
--Webster's New World Dictionary & Thesaurus
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Hero? Sorry no. My heroes put their lives on the line, not just their
mouth.
> Liberals fear the wiretaps because of their consistent support
> of terrorists and consistent treason against our US Government,
> our US Military, and against mainstream Republicans in general.
Here we go again. How is disagreeing with the President's policies, or
being opposed to a war, classified as "treason" exactly? Let me
rephrase the question so it's more relevant to our discussion. How is
demanding that the laws of this country be obeyed (i.e. FISA)
treasonous??!!
I don't _fear_ the wiretaps. I have nothing to hide. I am, however,
_opposed_ to them. There is a big difference there. And unlike you, who
apparently has to attack anyone who disagrees with you, I respect your
support of the wiretaps because every man's entitled to his own
opinion.
> In fact, let's see if the FBI, CIA, NSA, HLS, et al are getting
> "hits" on YOUR conversations, you anti-American Liberal scumbag!
> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&num=100&q=author%3Ajat...@gmail.com&safe=off
Yay! You know how to use Google Groups to search for conversations by
me! I hope it made for some interesting reading. What, in my
conversations that you so expertly located, is anti-American? Am I
anti-American because I want the laws to be obeyed, or because I an
opposed to a particular war that we are involved in?
Also, I'm not really a liberal, I'm fairly moderate. I agree with the
Democrats on some things (Iraq war, civil liberties) and with the
Republicans on others (abortion, faith).
Furthermore, who the hell do you think you are to call me un-American?
How do you arrive at the conclusion, after reading a couple of
conversations, that you could possibly know one way or the other about
my political leanings? I question our leaders, whether Democratic OR
Republican, because I love my country, and am proud of it, and don't
want to see powers abused.
Let's sum up what I've done:
(1) Called out "Rick" for accusing the original poster of lying when he
wasn't lying about anything.
(2) Explained my position on the wiretaps, and fully backed up my
assertions from sections of the U.S. Code.
In return, instead of debating the merits of my response, you've
decided instead to:
(1) assume I'm a liberal because I disapprove of some things the
President is doing
(2) call me anti-American when you don't even know me, let alone how I
feel about this country (I love it, by the way)
(3) imply that I'm guilty of treason, simply for disagreeing (?)
(4) imply that somehow I have something to worry about if the FBI, CIA,
NSA, DHS read my conversations. Fine, then they'll know that I am
opposed to this president and that I am interested in computers.
Why can't ANYBODY actually disagree with some facts, or opinions, and
have a real debate, instead of throwing insults and repeating the
mantras of the Republican talking-heads?
Like, seriously. Can you even have a real discussion, or can all you do
is throw the usual insults around?
I'm ready to talk if you want to have a respectful dialogue. If all
you'd do is fire off another salvo of (completely baseless) accusations
and labels, then good day sir.
Also, I don't understand the atheism quote.
Really, Rick. Don't you have any other words in your vocabulary?
Yep. I use the words that are applicable to the situation.
Not really. You haven't given anything to back up your assertion that
anyone in this thread is lying...
"No Atheists in the foxholes"! You Liberals have dug yourselves
into a very DEEP sinkhole, and those heavy artillery shells are
about to be cascading--raining cats and dogs--upon your heads...
Now that We've permanently seized control of ALL THREE main
branches of our beloved *United States Federal Government*,
all that matters now and from here on out is what We ruling
Republicans think, say and do about who's who & what's what.
Hallelujah! The United States Supreme Court is OURS!
The Communistic Atheistic Liberal Agenda is *TOAST*!
Enjoy Life! (fillet a liberal for lunch)
Daniel Joseph Min
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http://www.2hot2cool.com/11/danieljosephmin/
*Min's Google-Archived Home Page On The WWW:
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Liberal "Joe Attardi" waxed indignant:
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"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
--William of Ockham (~1300-1349)
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And stop trying to pigeonhole everyone who is not a Republican as
atheist. I love God and am a Christian.
Perhaps your post wasn't worth much of a response. Ever consider that?
All sarcasm aside though, why is it not worth responding to?
All I did was cite U.S. LAW to back up my opinion. I can't see how that
isn't 'worth responding to', unless you don't have anything to come
back with?
Good. Please killfile me and every other Republican who
sees right through you & yours' abjectly-failed Liberal
obfuscation tactics! Liberals simply don't matter--that
is, unless you're an extraordinarily gifted artist who
works in syndicated television, major motion pictures,
music, fine arts, martial arts, sports, athletics, or
any other respected and popular *artistic* industry of
your choice; in which case, please feel free to share
your efforts so that the rest of us may enjoy it, too. :-D
Enjoy Life! (fillet a liberal for lunch)
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PS Sorry, but I had to killfile you because you used
a nasty word. Besides, I don't HAVE to care what
you or any non-artistic Liberals think, say or do. :-D
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Also, obfuscation tactics? What the hell are you even talking about?
I'm asking what is wrong about my interpretation of the law. How is
that obfuscation?! I just want an answer to my question!!
So:
(1) What makes you say I am a liberal? Liberal doesn't mean "a person
that disagrees with Republicans", so unless you know more about my
political views, you are making an idiotic generalization.
(2) What am I allegedly obfuscating?
You don't get to throw the word around.
Your hero is a liar and a traitor.
What does that make you?
Not me, it's reality they should agree with. I happen to agree with
reality.
No, I don't support Michael Moore.
Every time you do this, you're just flinging our claims about Bush's
administration being a pack of liars right back in our faces. This is a
very weak argument. We claim you are lying, so you say we are lying
about you lying. Lame.
If you're going to act like a preschooler, then I guess I'll have to
stoop to your level:
Try this on for size:
We said it first!
Or how about:
No we're not. You're liars infinity!
Try to keep the discussion on facts...if you can.
-Aaron
Why not? You do the same thing.g
> PS Sorry, but I had to killfile you because you used
> a nasty word. Besides, I don't HAVE to care what
> you or any non-artistic Liberals think, say or do. :-D
I'm an artistic liberal. I have great talent in music. Now, you must
listen to what I think, say, and do.
-Aaron
Now make a lame L00ny comeback full of meaningless myths!
Which is right where such unsupported claims belong.
You mean like Democratic Senator Pat Leahy did, resulting in their deaths?
>Or ignore Al-Qaeda!
>
Naw, I'll leave that to Bill Clinton. He did it so well for 7 years.
The point, Rick, is that you are just playing "I know you are, but what
am I?"
Except, you don't even ask "what am I?"
Get a life. It's pretty nice...I can attest to that.
I apologize for top posting. Rick's snipping tricks necessitate it.
> > Every time you do this, you're just flinging our claims about Bush's
> > administration being a pack of liars right back in our faces.
>
> Which is right where such unsupported claims belong.
Congratulations, you passed the first grade exam in snipping posts to
show only what you want them to show.
-Aaron
Lies. You're a liar.
-Aaron
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=rove+treasongate&btnG=Google+Search
I did the google for you since you seem to be menatlly handicapped.
Nope. I am stating the facts in the face of your lies and propaganda. Don't
like it? Stop repeating the lies and propaganda.
Actually, it's the disregard of the Constitution and warrantless seizure of
freedom and privacy that most oppose.
You are lying.
> Now that We've permanently seized control of ALL THREE main
> branches of our beloved *United States Federal Government*,
*stores message until 2007, when "permanently" will take on a new
meaning*
Idiot.
-Aaron
Rick is cracking me up. Instead of coming back with any reasonable
arguments, he just changes the subject line and thinks he's so clever.
Ouch, Rick, you really showed us.
Careful. Now he's going to call you a liar! It's too bad we don't have
thick skulls and skin like our elephant counterparts. I don't know what
I'm going to do when he calls me a liar again!
-Aaron
Oh I don't know...you sound as if you may have been cracked already.
Nope. Too much work to lie. Easier to remember the truth.
No, you were lying. You were asked to support your claim, and you not
only failed to support it, but you essentially admitted that it was just
a default assumption on your part.
If you weren't lying, you'd be able to support your claims. Until you
can, you're just a liar.
None of that applies? Who exactly has their head up someone's ass here?
That would be you, still. Not likely to change anytime soon either.
No, I haven't lied once. But you just lied again.
I mean support him as in invite him to the Democratic convention...
Then why did you snip the rest of the post. Oh, sure, you'll go, "oh, I
snip idiocy." But that's nonsense; you snipped it because it proves you
wrong.
You lied, I proved it, and you had no response. Deal with it.
Just like his Un-American hero Bush, they're both fringe. That's why
their ratings are in the toilet.
The majority of Americans hate Bush, and would no doubt hate Rick too.
How does that make you feel, shrimp-boy?
On 2/5/06 12:12 AM, in article
1139119978.0...@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
"atlas...@yahoo.com" <atlas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Rick is a liar and a traitor. And everyone knows it.
>
> Just like his Un-American hero Bush, they're both fringe. That's why
> their ratings are in the toilet.
>
Hmmm.... I did not know that Rick HAD ratings. What show would that be?
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Greatly amused. Please, do go on...I haven't laughed this hard since Nov
3rd, 2004.
Right. And you wrong.
When did you laugh harder? When Kerry admitted defeat, or when Bush
gave the finger in response to the off-the-record question, "What do
you have to say to all those who didn't want you to get re-elected?"
That FY gesture really summed up his presidency, I think.
And no, I'm not lying. I saw it. Several times.
-Aaron
You lied when you said the Bush Administration hasn't lied.
That is a lie. That was enough to i.d. you as a Republican.
-Aaron
Liar.
-Aaron
No you misunderstand...I wasn't the one about to cry. In fact, you really
do make me laugh.
That's why I find you so amusing.
Nope. You're lying when you say that, liar.
Oh, either one was good. Frankly, I loved metaphorically giving the finger
to all the effette Euroweenies who were desperate for a more socialist
president in the US.
>
>"robin hood zoro" <robinh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1138990275.9...@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Daniel Joseph Min wrote:
>>>Liberals fear the wiretaps because of their consistent support
>>>of terrorists and consistent treason against our US Government,
>>>our US Military, and against mainstream Republicans in general.
>
>Actually, it's the disregard of the Constitution and warrantless seizure of
>freedom and privacy that most oppose.
>
Bush seems to think we can still have a democracy
with a lawless, unaccountable executive running the
show. How foolish can one get?
Obwon
0[ZZ-reading in nyc.politics-ZZZZZZZZ]0
Liars share with those they deceive
the desire not to be deceived.
--Sissela Bok
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They both apply!
Don't mind the child, he clearly isn't a responsible
person, otherwise how could he post something so
clearly untrue?
Well, it worked for Clinton...
Nope, neither one applies.
I dunno...you're a liberal whackjob, tell me your secret for repeating
obvious lies with a straight face.
When you tell one lie, it leads to another. Then, you've told two lies,
to cover each other...
That should be the motto for you Republicans.
-Aaron
You'd know more about that than I. You make lying a policy, while I
actively avoid it.
All of your policies are lies, Republican. And you never avoid it, even
when you post on this newsgroup.
-Aaron
Nope, that would be yet another lie from you.
You lose.
No, I already won. In fact, I won before I even began toying with you poor,
pitiful liberals.
The sad thing is that you will one day realize that, in fact, we have
all lost, thanks to you and others like you.
-Aaron
"I never tell a lie." And that is the truth.
-Aaron
No, you just repeat the lies of those more devious than you.
No, one day I hope to discover that idiots like you have been bred out of
the gene pool.
Nonsense. Clinton only lied about his personal life. As chief executive,
he followed the law and was accountable for his actions.
You've ignoring all the substantive points, and just saying "liar, liar"
over and over.
It's quite obvious that you've been proven to be the liar, and you know it.
> You've ignoring all the substantive points
Haven't had to, because no one has made any except for me.
Liar.
You're full of shit.
You accused Joe of lying, then failed to provide any support for your
claim. That's the major substantive point here. You're not addressing it.
Poor thing... You've got no one decent to talk
with, eh? Will you ever figure out why? I don't think
so. Pity.
Not on this group...just lying liberal losers like you.
Ignore him. He hasn't the capacity for listening to others and
reasoning out conflicts of information.
Rick thinks that everything he knows right now is true, now and
forever, and anyone who knows otherwise is lying.
-Aaron
Okay, I will. I guess I should ignore you too, Captain Crunch. Or were you
Admiral Benbow?