14 punctuation marks
444
though I suspect that one means a "non-breaking hyphen" that is to say
"-" and then an "En dash" "--" but then they would have forgotten the
"Em Dash" "---".
Lee
Chris Free
"em-dash" and "en-dash" are related to typography (a noble art)
but are not related to the english language per se.
"hyphen" is used between words -- whereas "dash"
usually emphasizes the information to follow. various
references -- from the "chicago manual of style"
to "strunk and white" -- differ on the details.
when "typing," it's typical to use one ascii (hex 2d)
character to represent a hyphen -- two a dash.
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Mayagent
can only list 13, is there a list anywhere of all 14?
Thanks, and sorry if this has already been answered.
Sandy McDermin
For those of you who don't want to be spoiled.;-)
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period
comma
question mark
colon
semicolon
dash
parentheses
brackets
quotation marks
exclamation point
apostrophe
hyphen
Then, Toby (God love him) supplied the other two:
braces
ellipsis
Sandy
Mayagent
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>>>braces
What exactly are braces? How are they used?
Sandy McDermin
Looking in my trusty Webster's New World Dictionary, it says: either of
the signs {} used to connect or enclose words or items to be considered
together.
Sandy
Bonbon
I know people who use them to hold their pants up! :o)
Bonbon
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>Mayagent wrote:
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>> I'm sorry if this has been discussed to much, but it's been driving me nuts...I
>> can only list 13, is there a list anywhere of all 14?
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>Then, Toby (God love him) supplied the other two:
I missed the first 20 minutes. Duh.
What were the exact criteria, and why couldn't we just
cheat by looking at our !@#$%^&*()-_+=}][{:"';<>?,./><|\`~
keyboards?
--Blair
"Virgule. Solidus. Octalthorpe."
Kevin
used that's different. A hyphen is used to join two separate words into a
compound or to indicate where a word has been broken at the end of the line to
fit, while dashes are used to separate words and indicate a type of break or
pause in a sentence that is different and more dramatic from the break or
pause indicated by a comma.
I used to be a journalist and I'll be damned if i can remember the diff between
en and em dashes, though!
Mayagent
Chris Free
probably sorkin's father. bartlet's predilection toward
frustrating the staff with jocular, enigmatic, facts and
figures was derived from sorkin's dad -- at least that's
what popped into my head during the scene -- D'oh!
the staff was playing poker and bartlet kept interrupting the
game's flow with vexes about fruit seeds and punctuation marks.
the "exact criteria" referred to "Standard English grammar" --
something that typography, journalism, and computers have
all had a chance to modulate, variegate, and spin.
TOBY
Do you call the raise sir?
BARTLET
That depends...
JOSH
Depends on what?
BARTLET
There are fourteen punctuation marks in
Standard English grammar. Can anyone
name them please?
C.J.
Period.
JOSH
Comma.
MANDY
Colon
SAM
Semi-colon.
JOSH
Dash.
SAM
Hyphen.
LEO
Ah... apostrophe.
BARTLET
That's only seven. There are seven more.
TOBY
Question mark, exclamation point,
quotation marks, brackets, parentheses,
braces and ellipses.
C.J.
Ooh.
JOSH
Wow!
TOBY
Do you call the raise sir?
BARTLET
There are three words, and three words
only in the English language that begin
with the letters DW.
JOSH
This is a pretty good illustration of
why we get nothing done.
what a group ;)
Adam H. Kerman
Em dashes are used as you describe above, as a dash to punctuate a
parenthetical phrase requiring a longer or abrupt pause. As you note above,
a hyphen is used to make a compound word or to illustrate syllabication.
In typography, em and en are measures of horizontal space on a line. An em is
the type size, the base line to the top of the tallest character, so called as
a capital "M" would be as wide as tall in certain fonts. "M" is always the
largest piece of type.
An en is half the width of an em.
An en dash is used to indicate a series 1-3, or a set or a range 1903-1910,
an ellision 1903-10, or endpoints "The New York-Albany route"
In most fonts, a hyphen is slightly shorter than an en. In others, it's the
same size. In a few, the hyphen is on a slight angle.
I was a journalist, too, who had to set his own type on the phototypesetter!
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
> BARTLET
> There are three words, and three words
> only in the English language that begin
> with the letters DW.
Ignoring tenses, declensions, and other multiplications:
Dwarf, Dwell, Dwindle, and, if CJ just came from the
dentist, Dwawback.
Other candidates: Dweeb, Dweezil, and Dwang.
--Blair
"Dash dash me."
Lynn
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> Other candidates: Dweeb, Dweezil, and Dwang.
Dwang???
--
Lynn
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And if it's fair to use an unabridged dictionary:
Dwale, dwalm (or dwam), and dwine.
Mary
Brett A. Pasternack
Well, technically the word "dwelling" is not the same word as "dwell".
B^)
Brett A. Pasternack
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> Um, both hyphens and dashes are always used between words. It's how they're
> used that's different. A hyphen is used to join two separate words into a
> compound or to indicate where a word has been broken at the end of the line to
> fit, while dashes are used to separate words and indicate a type of break or
> pause in a sentence that is different and more dramatic from the break or
> pause indicated by a comma.
In other words, when you need to offset part of a sentance--like this
one here--then you're using a dash. But when you're putting something in
mid-word like this, it's a hyphen! B^)
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>In other words, when you need to offset part of a sentance--like this
>one here--then you're using a dash. But when you're putting something in
>mid-word like this, it's a hyphen! B^)
The former is an em-dash. The latter is, indeed, a hyphen. The
en-dash is in-between, closer to a minus sign, and used to indicate
a connection in a range.
--Blair
"And no, we're not talking spade lug."
-one from the "they can't all be gems" file
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
><blair[no spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote...
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>> Other candidates: Dweeb, Dweezil, and Dwang.
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>Dwang???
The short horizontal piece nailed between two studs halfway
up a wood-frame wall.
--Blair
"Not to be confused with the short,
oft-horizontal stud kicked out the
door by Nicole Kidman."
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
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>> "Blair P. Houghton" wrote:
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>> > Chris Free <free2...@aol.com> wrote:
>> > > BARTLET
>> > > There are three words, and three words
>> > > only in the English language that begin
>> > > with the letters DW.
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>> > Ignoring tenses, declensions, and other multiplications:
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>> > Dwarf, Dwell, Dwindle, and, if CJ just came from the
>> > dentist, Dwawback.
>> >
>> > Other candidates: Dweeb, Dweezil, and Dwang.
>> >
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>> And if it's fair to use an unabridged dictionary:
Who used a dictionary?
>> Dwale, dwalm (or dwam), and dwine.
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>Well, technically the word "dwelling" is not the same word as "dwell".
>B^)
And again we come back to the fact that these characters make
simple mistakes. I like it. It adds depth.
--Blair
"Dang."
Gert Wallage
>>>braces
>> What exactly are braces? How are they used?
> Looking in my trusty Webster's New World Dictionary, it says:
> either of the signs {} used to connect or enclose words or items
> to be considered together.
Oh, OK then. But where in the List of Fourteen are are these:
<>
I always thought they were called angle brackets...
Also, if these {} are called braces, what are square brackets [] properly
called?
Parenthetically puzzled,
Gert
Of course
Stephen Fuld
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> (No spoiler space because, well, punctuation isn't very spoilery...)
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> >>>braces
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> >> What exactly are braces? How are they used?
>
> > Looking in my trusty Webster's New World Dictionary, it says:
> > either of the signs {} used to connect or enclose words or items
> > to be considered together.
>
> Oh, OK then. But where in the List of Fourteen are are these:
>
> <>
>
Well, I call them "less than" and "greater than" signs. I don't think they
are part of the fourteen, just as @ and $ and % etc. are not.
> I always thought they were called angle brackets...
>
> Also, if these {} are called braces, what are square brackets [] properly
> called?
Brackets
--
-- Stephen Fuld
Lynn
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> Well, I call them "less than" and "greater than" signs. I don't think
> they are part of the fourteen, just as @ and $ and % etc. are not.
Are @, $ and % considered abbreviations? They're really just substitutes
for other words, not used to "punctuate", if you will.
Lynn
> ><blair[no spam]@world.std.com (Blair P. Houghton)> wrote...
> >>
> >> Other candidates: Dweeb, Dweezil, and Dwang.
> >>
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> >Dwang???
> >
blair wrote...
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> The short horizontal piece nailed between two studs halfway
> up a wood-frame wall.
Never heard that one. I just looked 'em up in the online dictionary, and
only "dweeb" was there. My spellchecker, OTOH, wanted to change it to
"dwell".
spam]@world.std.com Blair P. Houghton
>blair wrote...
>> Dwang.
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>Never heard that one. I just looked 'em up in the online dictionary, and
>only "dweeb" was there. My spellchecker, OTOH, wanted to change it to
>"dwell".
www.onelook.com has it, and about everything else.
But those clods at the OED still don't have their book online and
free like a proper librarian.
--Blair
"Clod, n., [ME clodde] ... 2 OAF, DOLT..."
Chris Free
Adam H. Kerman
>>Well, I call them "less than" and "greater than" signs. I don't think
>>they are part of the fourteen, just as @ and $ and % etc. are not.
>Are @, $ and % considered abbreviations? They're really just substitutes
>for other words, not used to "punctuate", if you will.
Symbols, not punctuation marks.
Lynn
Lynn
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> >> Dwang.
> >
> Lynn <rameses....@lynnsland.com> wrote:
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> >Never heard that one. I just looked 'em up in the online dictionary, and
> >only "dweeb" was there. My spellchecker, OTOH, wanted to change it to
> >"dwell".
> >
>
> But those clods at the OED still don't have their book online and
> free like a proper librarian.
So - Mirriam (whoever she is) beat them to it - but it still doesn't include
"dwang".
Chris Free
Jordan Franklin
start "DW". Most of them are obsolete. In addition to the ones listed
in the show, "dwale", "dwalm","dwang", "dwile", and "dwine" are listed.
These words appear to mostly from Scottish influence.
Jordan