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gcutler

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Jan 11, 2001, 1:02:03 PM1/11/01
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Where does Sorkin get this stuff :-} I was totally absorbed by the
storyline with "Donna" saving the day be talking to the reporter for
"Sam/Josh/Leo", but boy did that underwear plot device come from out of left
field. But I guess if you have to make some act embarrassed, that was the
way. You know "Josh" was holding that Underwear just a little too intensely
:-}

Other question is, has this ever happend to anyone in real life???


KELLY33

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Jan 11, 2001, 3:26:46 PM1/11/01
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>From: "gcutler" gcu...@atlanta.com

Yep, the price you pay for not using a dryer sheet---static cling.


Cyn C.

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Jan 11, 2001, 5:41:36 PM1/11/01
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If she had already worn the underwear, there would be no more static cling.
The panties would be in the pants, and she'd notice them when going to put
them on on day two. And if clean, unworn underwear had stuck to the pants
in the dryer, surely she'd have felt that pair floating around in a pant leg
on day one OR on day two, for sure. They wouldn't _still_ be in there the
evening of the second day, conveniently dropping at the most embarrassing
moment possible.

And if that weren't implausible enough, who (besides 8 year-old campers) had
their name on their underwear?

Also, did Cahill courier them over to the White House?! That's the only way
they'd get there by the next day.

Last, would this have *ever* happened to one of the guys? Leo's faux pas is
that he insults Karen Cahill's shoes, Sam's is that he says Kurdistan when
he means Kazakhstan. And Donna's horrifying moment is when a pair of her
underwear falls to the floor at an art showing (or whatever it was)?! And
she never sees it there herself? Puh-lease. This was a cheap bit for an
easy laugh -- Donna deserves better, and so do we.
______

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RaD

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Jan 11, 2001, 6:09:10 PM1/11/01
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>
>Last, would this have *ever* happened to one of the guys? Leo's faux pas is
>that he insults Karen Cahill's shoes, Sam's is that he says Kurdistan when
>he means Kazakhstan. And Donna's horrifying moment is when a pair of her
>underwear falls to the floor at an art showing (or whatever it was)?! And
>she never sees it there herself? Puh-lease. This was a cheap bit for an
>easy laugh -- Donna deserves better, and so do we.
>______


Ah, you said Kurdistan, when obviously you mean Kyrgyzstan.

Kyrgystan - Large country between Kazakstan and China

Kurdistan - Large area of Kurdish culture weaving through Iraq up to
Turkey


Now, do you know where your underwear is at?


Robert

Orpheus

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Jan 11, 2001, 9:35:50 PM1/11/01
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gcutler wrote in message <93ksjo$479$1...@paxfeed.eni.net>...

>Other question is, has this ever happend to anyone in real life???
When I was in highschool, sitting in a computer class (the days of Commodore
64's and the like), I suddenly became aware of a bulge in my pant leg,
somewhere below my knee. My first and only thought was, "Oh my God, my
underwear." So, as discreetly as I could, I worked the bulge down to my
foot, feigned dropping my pencil so I could bend down, and plucked the
underwear out of its hiding place. A quick glance confirmed my fear that
the underwear in question (yes, the ones I wore yesterday) were a
particularly flowery pair, most unlike the rest of my unmistakably masculine
wardrobe. So what did I do? What anyone would do, I'm sure: I balled it up
in my fist and shoved it inside the desk I was sitting at. The bell rang,
and I left, quickly. The next day when I was in that classroom I naturally
sat in the same seat. The underwear, of course, was gone. And I thought to
myself, "What on *earth* would someone have thought when they found that?"
Less than a month later I was searching in the box of Lost and Found for a
missing glove, and there was my underwear. I felt a momentary pang about
abandoning it, but left it there amongst the other homeless garments and
scurried away.


Ann Keitz

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Jan 11, 2001, 11:07:32 PM1/11/01
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:41:36 -0800, "Cyn C."
<cynthi...@NOSPAM.prodigy.net> wrote:

>Last, would this have *ever* happened to one of the guys? Leo's faux pas is
>that he insults Karen Cahill's shoes, Sam's is that he says Kurdistan when
>he means Kazakhstan. And Donna's horrifying moment is when a pair of her
>underwear falls to the floor at an art showing (or whatever it was)?! And
>she never sees it there herself? Puh-lease. This was a cheap bit for an
>easy laugh -- Donna deserves better, and so do we.

Guess you didn't hear the story about Senator Arlen Specter and the
toliet paper handing from his pants during a staff meeting <g>.


Annie Keitz
ke...@his.com

AMYSA

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Jan 11, 2001, 11:36:18 PM1/11/01
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kelly said:

>Yep, the price you pay for not using a dryer sheet---static cling.

but, when you use the dryer sheet you run the risk of walking around the office
with one stuck to your ass. <g>

amy


"he thinks i may have an eating disorder...and a fear of rectangles. that's not
weird, is it?" - josh


AMYSA

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Jan 11, 2001, 11:40:10 PM1/11/01
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cynthi...@prodigy.net said:

>If she had already worn the underwear, there would be no more static cling.
>The panties would be in the pants, and she'd notice them when going to put
>them on on day two.

unless the panties had fallen down the leg of the pants, which is what they
said happened and what has, evidently, happened to people here.

>And if clean, unworn underwear had stuck to the pants
>in the dryer, surely she'd have felt that pair floating around in a pant leg
>on day one OR on day two, for sure.

but, that's not what happened.

>And if that weren't implausible enough, who (besides 8 year-old campers) had
>their name on their underwear?

i go with whoever it was here who mentioned the dry cleaning/fluff and fold
explanation. that hadn't crossed my mind, but it sounds plausible to me.

>Last, would this have *ever* happened to one of the guys?

i doubt it...but, then, we really don't know. men's boxers and briefs tend to
be bulkier than the sorts of panties that donna had. they'd be more likely to
notice such a thing than a woman would.

>This was a cheap bit for an
>easy laugh -- Donna deserves better, and so do we.

yet, oddly, i'm fine with it.

miss_...@my-deja.com

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Jan 11, 2001, 11:25:11 PM1/11/01
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in poor donna's defense, since i defended her name-labling in another
post, i have honestly had something similar happen to me...when you get
home from school at 10pm and wake up to go to school at 5 am,
occasionally little things like shaking your uniform pants to make sure
your underpants aren't hiding in a pant leg tend to slip your sleep
fogged mind. and they honestly do have a habit of appearing at the worst
time, like when you're already late for math class, or some such.
granted, this is more common with dirty socks, but it has been known to
happen. seeing as she probably had to work late, threw the pants over a
chair when she finally got home to go to bed, and then had to get back
to the white house bright and early, i can see where she might not pay
attention to where her underpants wound up. and i can see where she
might not notice all day (when i had this lovely experience, i put the
pants on around 5:30 am and didn't know about the surprise i had waiting
for me until about 2pm) so,yeah, i had no problem believing that could
happen


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Getteur

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Jan 12, 2001, 1:59:40 AM1/12/01
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>>This was a cheap bit for an
>>easy laugh -- Donna deserves better, and so do we.
>
>yet, oddly, i'm fine with it.
>
>amy
>

Some people are more easily satisfied than others. :-)

Getteur

Chris Crandall

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Jan 12, 2001, 1:47:07 PM1/12/01
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Getteur (get...@aol.com) wrote:
: Some people are more easily satisfied than others. :-)

And, oddly enough, they are the happy ones.

Chris Crandall

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Jan 12, 2001, 1:48:38 PM1/12/01
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Cyn C. (cynthi...@NOSPAM.prodigy.net) wrote:
: Also, did Cahill courier them over to the White House?! That's the only

: way they'd get there by the next day.

Just because she works for the New York Times, doesn't mean she lives in
New York--as a correspondent/columnist, she lives in the DC area.

But I believe you're right, as the envelope was not heavily addressed--a
courier is probably correct.

But, I guess it doesn't really matter much.

Priscilla H. Ballou

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:17:05 PM1/12/01
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In article <93ksjo$479$1...@paxfeed.eni.net>, "gcutler"
<gcu...@atlanta.com> wrote:

>
> Other question is, has this ever happend to anyone in real life???
>

I never deposited underwear at the feet of someone I was trying to
impress, but about 25 years ago I did find a pair about to be lost from
the leg of a pair of pants I was wearing to the office for a second day.
I pulled them out and tucked them in a pocket before anyone else noticed.

It's much easier to do with synthetic bikinis than it is with other
kinds.

Priscilla

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Hunter Rose

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Jan 12, 2001, 5:49:42 PM1/12/01
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2001 14:41:36 -0800, "Cyn C."
<cynthi...@NOSPAM.prodigy.net> wrote:

>Puh-lease. This was a cheap bit for an easy laugh -- Donna deserves
>better, and so do we.

Agreed!

HR

Lynn

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Jan 12, 2001, 10:03:36 PM1/12/01
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>cynthi...@prodigy.net said:
>
>>And if that weren't implausible enough, who (besides 8 year-old
>>campers)had their name on their underwear?
>
AMYSA wrote...

>
>i go with whoever it was here who mentioned the dry cleaning/fluff and
>fold explanation. that hadn't crossed my mind, but it sounds plausible
>to me.

Maybe if she and her roommate split laundry duties, they might do that,
too. Or, if she came from a large family with lots of girls, she might
still be in the habit. I think, for most of us, though, it just seemed
weird.
--
Lynn

Sorry if this is a duplicate. My isp, RMI.net (IC&C) sucks bigtime!

Getteur

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Jan 13, 2001, 1:01:58 AM1/13/01
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>: Some people are more easily satisfied than others. :-)
>
>And, oddly enough, they are the happy ones.
>

Nothing odd about it at all. It is, in fact, quite logical and quite
understandable.

Getteur

Forge

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:37:31 PM1/14/01
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dem...@ucs.orst.edu says...

> Ah, you said Kurdistan, when obviously you mean Kyrgyzstan.
>
> Kyrgystan - Large country between Kazakstan and China
>
> Kurdistan - Large area of Kurdish culture weaving through Iraq up to
> Turkey

I was wondering about that; the acoustics in my new place are sucky
(nothing on the walls yet) and I was curious why Sam would say that a
country that doesn't even technically exist has control over a large
number of nuclear missiles.

Forge

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Jan 14, 2001, 2:39:25 PM1/14/01
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am...@aol.comasutra says...

> i doubt it...but, then, we really don't know. men's boxers and briefs tend to
> be bulkier than the sorts of panties that donna had. they'd be more likely to
> notice such a thing than a woman would.

Like I said, it's happened to me, small cotton briefs and big baggy
jeans. I imagine little satiny things like women wear would be even
harder to detect until it was too late.

jcoulter

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Jan 14, 2001, 3:43:37 PM1/14/01
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Lest we think Donna a complete fool let us remember that this is a
television show. I mean is it likely that anyone would be worried that
dropped underwear would be a misconstrued as a pass? Would they not actually
be worried that they looked like a fool?

"Forge" <fo...@spammersmustdie.mpinet.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.14cbca781...@news.mpinet.net...

Ricki Frankel

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Jan 14, 2001, 4:31:40 PM1/14/01
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"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:vze23t8n-A34C01...@news.bellatlantic.net...

I am just amazed at the number of these stories. I don't get it -- I take
off my pants, and then my underwear.

However, if we were talking about socks, that would be an entirely different
matter. Several times I've had this happen with socks being located in my
pants leg... luckily, usually falling out when still some place sort of
private, like my car...

Ricki


Odyss41101

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Jan 14, 2001, 4:45:23 PM1/14/01
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> I mean is it likely that anyone would be worried that
>dropped underwear would be a misconstrued as a pass? Would they not actually
>be worried that they looked like a fool?<

One of us missed something, because I thought Donna was upset because she
looked like a fool... What kind of moron would drop a pair of underwear at
someone's feet as a way of making a pass? ph


jcoulter

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Jan 14, 2001, 5:31:30 PM1/14/01
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IIRC that was exactly what donna was afraid of that it would look like she
was making a pass.

"Odyss41101" <odyss...@aol.com> wrote in message
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jerry

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Jan 14, 2001, 5:51:18 PM1/14/01
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Lynn <ka...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

> >cynthi...@prodigy.net said:
> >
> >>And if that weren't implausible enough, who (besides 8 year-old
> >>campers)had their name on their underwear?
> >
> AMYSA wrote...
> >
> >i go with whoever it was here who mentioned the dry cleaning/fluff and
> >fold explanation. that hadn't crossed my mind, but it sounds plausible
> >to me.
>
> Maybe if she and her roommate split laundry duties, they might do that,
> too. Or, if she came from a large family with lots of girls, she might
> still be in the habit. I think, for most of us, though, it just seemed
> weird.

Well, that's why Josh commented on it -- "that's something, obviously, that
we'll be talking about later..."

I think it was sort of a metaphorical nod to Donna's naivete -- or at least
the way in which Josh perceives her, kids her and loves her for being naive.

Jerry

Maureen Goldman

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Jan 14, 2001, 6:15:45 PM1/14/01
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> Forge <fo...@spammersmustdie.mpinet.net> wrote:
> Like I said, it's happened to me, small cotton briefs and big baggy
> jeans. I imagine little satiny things like women wear would be even
> harder to detect until it was too late.

Her legs would have moved inside the slacks via sitting and standing,
and walking around, so even a small bulge should have been noticed and
should have shifted position very early on. It's difficult for me to
imagine that she wouldn't feel the underwear slipping over\past her
foot, see it on the floor, or step on it.

Perhaps more important, though, really, what was the point? Rather
than having this odd event, they could have spent the time explaining
who Ben and Sally were, and what Leo said about someone's shoes..

AMYSA

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Jan 14, 2001, 6:26:40 PM1/14/01
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maureen said:

>Her legs would have moved inside the slacks via sitting and standing,
>and walking around, so even a small bulge should have been noticed and
>should have shifted position very early on. It's difficult for me to
>imagine that she wouldn't feel the underwear slipping over\past her
>foot, see it on the floor, or step on it

it's happened to at least half a dozen people on this group including the one
that the above is in response to. why is it so hard for you to imagine it
happening to a fictitious character?

>Perhaps more important, though, really, what was the point? Rather
>than having this odd event, they could have spent the time explaining
>who Ben and Sally were, and what Leo said about someone's shoes..

who ben and sally were was most likely not elaborated on for a list of reasons.
first off, who says that bradlee and quinn want their names attatched to the
show? they might not and, like he did many times on "sports night", aaron's
safer using just first names or slighly altering names to keep himself in the
clear. for those who got the small reference it was a wink and nod, for those
who didn't, it didn't matter.

who ben and sally were, what leo said about karen's shoes, whether sam got the
name right or where exactly donna dropped her panties isn't really important.
it was a big cycle of stupid events that we weren't supposed to get the full
details on. one vague screwup leads to another vague screwup and so on. it was
supposed to go all the way back around to leo.

amy
"it looks like the cast of zoom..."--rob lowe


Priscilla H. Ballou

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Jan 14, 2001, 7:04:21 PM1/14/01
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In article <m8246tcpln1iufv46...@4ax.com>,
inksl...@FOGsunshine.net wrote:

> > Forge <fo...@spammersmustdie.mpinet.net> wrote:
> > Like I said, it's happened to me, small cotton briefs and big baggy
> > jeans. I imagine little satiny things like women wear would be even
> > harder to detect until it was too late.
>
> Her legs would have moved inside the slacks via sitting and standing,
> and walking around, so even a small bulge should have been noticed and
> should have shifted position very early on. It's difficult for me to
> imagine that she wouldn't feel the underwear slipping over\past her
> foot, see it on the floor, or step on it.

It has darned near happened to me. It may be difficult for you to
imagine, but it happens.



> Perhaps more important, though, really, what was the point?

It was hysterically funny as the topic worked its way even into the Oval
Office.

> Rather
> than having this odd event, they could have spent the time explaining
> who Ben and Sally were, and what Leo said about someone's shoes..

There's no need to explain who Ben and Sally were. Obviously they were
Ben Bradley (sp?) and Sally Quinn. Whatever Leo said couldn't have been
nearly as interesting. His was the first in the sequence, and each
encounter with the NY Times columnist (forgot her name) became more and
more absurd. There was nothing to top dropping one's underwear at her
feet! ;-)

Lillian

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Jan 14, 2001, 7:31:52 PM1/14/01
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Priscilla H. Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in article
<vze23t8n-8FCD20...@news.bellatlantic.net>...

> There's no need to explain who Ben and Sally were. Obviously they were
> Ben Bradley (sp?) and Sally Quinn.

Not everyone is so well informed, it wasn't obvious to many, as seen by the
multiple inquiries on the newsgroup.

Lillian

CoolHandDukeTheBlueDevilMan

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Jan 15, 2001, 12:19:36 AM1/15/01
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>> There's no need to explain who Ben and Sally were. Obviously they were
>> Ben Bradley (sp?) and Sally Quinn.
>
>Not everyone is so well informed, it wasn't obvious to many, as seen by the
>multiple inquiries on the newsgroup.
>

Ben (Bradlee) and Sally (Quinn) aren't exactly unknowns in Washington, but I
can understand how a lot of people in the rest of the country might not have
caught (or understood) the reference.

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Boondoggler

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Jan 15, 2001, 12:32:15 AM1/15/01
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CoolHandDukeTheBlueDevilMan <cwhit...@aol.com> wrote:

> >> There's no need to explain who Ben and Sally were. Obviously they were
> >> Ben Bradley (sp?) and Sally Quinn.
> >
> >Not everyone is so well informed, it wasn't obvious to many, as seen by the
> >multiple inquiries on the newsgroup.
> >
>
> Ben (Bradlee) and Sally (Quinn) aren't exactly unknowns in Washington, but I
> can understand how a lot of people in the rest of the country might not have
> caught (or understood) the reference.
>

I had no idea who Ben and Sally were. However, it had no bearing on my
enjoyment or understanding of the scene. They apparently were people
who were hosting a party where this reporter was going to be. Any
further knowledge on who exactly they were was not necessary. Even now
with my super enhanced newsgroup knowledge, I see it as a cute reference
and not anything that needed explaining on the show.

--
Boondoggler

Maureen Goldman

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Jan 15, 2001, 1:59:50 AM1/15/01
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> maureen said:
> >Her legs would have moved inside the slacks via sitting and standing,
> >and walking around, so even a small bulge should have been noticed and
> >should have shifted position very early on. It's difficult for me to
> >imagine that she wouldn't feel the underwear slipping over\past her
> >foot, see it on the floor, or step on it

> am...@aol.comasutra (AMYSA) wrote:
> it's happened to at least half a dozen people on this group including the one
> that the above is in response to. why is it so hard for you to imagine it
> happening to a fictitious character?

Those posters all noticed it at some point - no one mailed their
scanties to them or their bosses. Donna remained totally oblivious.
Since we've certainly danced around this maypole long enough, I just
wish that Sorkin had resisted the temptation to put in this kind of
pointless detail.



> >Perhaps more important, though, really, what was the point? Rather
> >than having this odd event, they could have spent the time explaining
> >who Ben and Sally were, and what Leo said about someone's shoes..

> who ben and sally were was most likely not elaborated on for a list of reasons.
> first off, who says that bradlee and quinn want their names attatched to the
> show? they might not and, like he did many times on "sports night", aaron's
> safer using just first names or slighly altering names to keep himself in the
> clear. for those who got the small reference it was a wink and nod, for those
> who didn't, it didn't matter.

It mattered enough to me that I stopped watching the episode "live". I
was taping it at the same time, and I figured that I must have missed
something crucial because Leo kept talking about having someone go to
Ben and Sally's dinner. Watched it from the start the next day, and
nope, there was no explanation. But at least there were also no
commercials to sit through.



> who ben and sally were, what leo said about karen's shoes, whether sam got the
> name right or where exactly donna dropped her panties isn't really important.
> it was a big cycle of stupid events that we weren't supposed to get the full
> details on. one vague screwup leads to another vague screwup and so on. it was
> supposed to go all the way back around to leo.

A lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, like the Breakfast.

CoolHandDukeTheBlueDevilMan

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Jan 15, 2001, 2:28:57 AM1/15/01
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Was it just me, or did anybody else have Donna pegged as a thong girl?

(It's definitely time to go to bed! ROFL)

Michael

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Jan 15, 2001, 3:59:35 AM1/15/01
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So you want smug, 100% correct characters all the time? You seem to place
FICTIONAL characters on an awfully high pedistal. Must've HATED when Josh sat
down at his desk and there was no chair right after Charlie said these people
were the smartest in the world.

Michael

"Cyn C." wrote:

> If she had already worn the underwear, there would be no more static cling.
> The panties would be in the pants, and she'd notice them when going to put

> them on on day two. And if clean, unworn underwear had stuck to the pants


> in the dryer, surely she'd have felt that pair floating around in a pant leg

> on day one OR on day two, for sure. They wouldn't _still_ be in there the
> evening of the second day, conveniently dropping at the most embarrassing
> moment possible.


>
> And if that weren't implausible enough, who (besides 8 year-old campers) had
> their name on their underwear?
>

> Also, did Cahill courier them over to the White House?! That's the only way
> they'd get there by the next day.
>

> Last, would this have *ever* happened to one of the guys? Leo's faux pas is
> that he insults Karen Cahill's shoes, Sam's is that he says Kurdistan when
> he means Kazakhstan. And Donna's horrifying moment is when a pair of her
> underwear falls to the floor at an art showing (or whatever it was)?! And
> she never sees it there herself? Puh-lease. This was a cheap bit for an


> easy laugh -- Donna deserves better, and so do we.

> ______
>
> KELLY33 <kel...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20010111152646...@ng-md1.aol.com...
> > >From: "gcutler" gcu...@atlanta.com
> >
> > >Where does Sorkin get this stuff :-} I was totally absorbed by the
> > >storyline with "Donna" saving the day be talking to the reporter for
> > >"Sam/Josh/Leo", but boy did that underwear plot device come from out of
> left
> > >field. But I guess if you have to make some act embarrassed, that was
> the
> > >way. You know "Josh" was holding that Underwear just a little too
> intensely
> > >:-}


> > >
> > >Other question is, has this ever happend to anyone in real life???
> > >
> >

Blair P. Houghton

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Jan 15, 2001, 4:57:26 AM1/15/01
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CoolHandDukeTheBlueDevilMan<cwhit...@aol.com> wrote:
>Was it just me, or did anybody else have Donna pegged as a thong girl?

Personally, I figured she just went commando.

--Blair
"Did you, by any chance, wear the
same pair of pants two days in a row?
-Sam

maxine perkins

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Jan 15, 2001, 5:54:53 PM1/15/01
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I'm new to this site, but I just have to get in here and say..."Donna's
naivete"? And here I thought it was just bad acting. She grates on my
nerves, would make me ashamed to think that someone that stupid would be
on the staff at the White House....she is an insult to working women,
and I can see no purpose that she serves. I have no respect for Josh for
putting up with her. Oh, wait a minute...this is just a TV show, isn't
it? Sorry....

Odyss41101

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Jan 15, 2001, 8:12:50 PM1/15/01
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You're welcome to your opinion of Janel's talent, but I happen to think she's
one of the most talented members of a *very* talented cast. Again, remember
her reaction to learning Josh was shot. In last week's episode, check her work
in the teaser--This is a disciplined actor with quite a range. Just my
opinion. --ph

AMYSA

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Jan 15, 2001, 8:32:35 PM1/15/01
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odyss...@aol.com said:

>You're welcome to your opinion of Janel's talent, but I happen to think she's
>one of the most talented members of a *very* talented cast.

i agree...i've found her to be pretty incredible in every role that i've ever
seen her in.

Bobbie Dean

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In article <01c07e89$5d8b3f40$e3a4aec7@default>, "Lillian"
<rotsaruck@mindspringdotcom> wrote:

:Priscilla H. Ballou <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in article

I'd venture that it is probably a generational thing - - if you were
around during Watergate and the fallout from that, you probably know
who Ben Bradley and Sally Quinn are, especially if you watch any
C-Span.

B
Remember - Usenet isn't like life - it is often worse! ;-)

Bobbie Dean

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In article <4437-3A6...@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
maxpe...@webtv.net (maxine perkins) wrote:

:I'm new to this site, but I just have to get in here and say..."Donna's

:

I agree with your summation of the character - - and the way it is
written. Now, do you have your asbestos underwear, because you are
going to be bombardied by those who think Donna is the living end -
and don't ask me why?

CoolHandDukeTheBlueDevilMan

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>I'd venture that it is probably a generational thing - - if you were
>around during Watergate and the fallout from that, you probably know
>who Ben Bradley and Sally Quinn are, especially if you watch any
>C-Span.
>

And they'd probably also know that it's spelled B-R-A-D-L-E-E ... and that he's
one of the most revered figures in American journalism history.

Maureen Goldman

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> Bobbie Dean <xit...@sirinet.net> wrote:
> I'd venture that it is probably a generational thing - - if you were
> around during Watergate and the fallout from that, you probably know
> who Ben Bradley and Sally Quinn are, especially if you watch any
> C-Span.

I was an adult during Watergate, but I still didn't know who Bradley
and Quinn were. That was a LONG time ago.

J D

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Jan 16, 2001, 9:29:03 AM1/16/01
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I agree with you. She is a good actress. Her part is well written, too,
because she's more complex than one would imagine. And we've just scratched
the surface on her character, too!

"Odyss41101" <odyss...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Annie Keitz

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Jan 16, 2001, 10:26:09 AM1/16/01
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I disagree, I think Donna is both a valued competent employee and a
ditz. She is great professionally but in personal life she's a ditz
who would wear the same pair of slacks twice....


Annie Keitz

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I think that it all depends on what type of memory you have. I annoy
my sis to no end by bringing up the plot of a TV show I've seen maybe
3 years ago and other stuff that most people don't have stored in
their brains. She on the other hand will have to ask me if she's seen
a particular TV episode before, having forgotten whether or not she's
seen it before.


Priscilla H. Ballou

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Jan 16, 2001, 10:40:23 AM1/16/01
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In article <2up86t8e5smmq6h9u...@4ax.com>, Annie Keitz
<ke...@his.com> wrote:

> I disagree, I think Donna is both a valued competent employee and a
> ditz. She is great professionally but in personal life she's a ditz
> who would wear the same pair of slacks twice....

What's wrong with wearing the same pair of slacks twice? If they're not
dirty or excessively mussed, why not?

lfe...@my-deja.com

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In article <vze23t8n-50C040...@news.bellatlantic.net>,

"Priscilla H. Ballou" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:

> What's wrong with wearing the same pair of slacks twice? If they're
not
> dirty or excessively mussed, why not?

I wear my dry-clean stuff a several times if they're not dirty or
smelly (duh!), but not twice in a row.

Lillian


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Maureen Goldman

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Jan 16, 2001, 1:30:42 PM1/16/01
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> Annie Keitz <ke...@his.com> wrote:
> I think Donna is both a valued competent employee and a
> ditz. She is great professionally but in personal life she's a ditz
> who would wear the same pair of slacks twice....

What's wrong with wearing the same pair of slacks twice?

(I find Leo's assistant, The Muffin Lady, considerably more ditzy.)

Annie Keitz

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Jan 16, 2001, 1:34:06 PM1/16/01
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On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:40:23 GMT, "Priscilla H. Ballou"
<vze2...@verizon.net> wrote:

>In article <2up86t8e5smmq6h9u...@4ax.com>, Annie Keitz
><ke...@his.com> wrote:
>
>> I disagree, I think Donna is both a valued competent employee and a
>> ditz. She is great professionally but in personal life she's a ditz
>> who would wear the same pair of slacks twice....
>
>What's wrong with wearing the same pair of slacks twice? If they're not
>dirty or excessively mussed, why not?

Actually it's the "wearing" of the same panties twice that's the
problem <g>....


Odyss41101

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What else has Janel done? WW is my first exposure to her. --ph

Odyss41101

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Jan 16, 2001, 2:35:38 PM1/16/01
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>What's wrong with wearing the same pair of slacks twice? If they're not
>dirty or excessively mussed, why not?<

Clearly, because you might drop a balled up pair of dirty underwear at the
feet of New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd... and that would certainly be a
no-no. <G>


gcutler

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Jan 16, 2001, 6:21:27 PM1/16/01
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"Donna's" original purpose was to ask the questions about the policies
brought up in the episode that the Audience would be asking. While "Josh"
is explaining it to her, the audience learns the info needed to understand
the issues of the episode. But her chemistry with "Josh" was so great, that
many people like myself actually found the "Josh-Donna" scenes some of their
favorites. Now she serves as the "Hepburn" in the "Tracey-Hepburn" type
relationship that "Josh" and "Donna" have.

How can she be an insult to working women, when the "Josh" character is
totally dependant on "Donna" to get his job done?


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Forge

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vze2...@verizon.net says...

> What's wrong with wearing the same pair of slacks twice? If they're not
> dirty or excessively mussed, why not?

Especially if they're dry-clean-only. Wear once, then pay to dry clean? I
don't think so.

2die4

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Jan 16, 2001, 8:57:07 PM1/16/01
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I happen to agree. Janel is lucky to get two scenes per show, and most
of the time those two scenes are not of substance to the major
storyline. The mark of an excellent actress is the fact that she can
make so much of so little screen time.

- James

In article <20010115201250...@ng-ma1.aol.com>,
odyss...@aol.com (Odyss41101) wrote:

--
- James Marino
http://www.BroadwayStars.com/

Deborah

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Annie Keitz <ke...@his.com> wrote in message > I disagree, I think Donna is

both a valued competent employee and a
> ditz. She is great professionally but in personal life she's a ditz
> who would wear the same pair of slacks twice....

If don't think you have to be a ditz to wear the same pair of pants. How
about incredibly busy and maybe a little tired in the morning from working a
long night. Most of my slacks stay relatively clean and can be worn twice.
I've been in a terrible rush and just put on what was in front of me before.
I just don't think it's so odd.

Deb


gcutler

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"2die4" <ja...@2die4.com> wrote in message
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> I happen to agree. Janel is lucky to get two scenes per show, and most
> of the time those two scenes are not of substance to the major
> storyline. The mark of an excellent actress is the fact that she can
> make so much of so little screen time.
>
> - James

She definately has excellent acting ability, but chemistry between her and
"Josh" is also a major part of it.


AMYSA

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Jan 17, 2001, 10:31:29 AM1/17/01
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lillian said:

>I wear my dry-clean stuff a several times if they're not dirty or
>smelly (duh!), but not twice in a row.

i would probably wear pants two days in a row if they were simple and it
wouldn't be obvious. i mean, i certainly get up and throw on the same pair of
jeans from the night before from time to time.

but, yeah, i don't a single person who doesn't wear their dry clean only stuff
more than once before taking it back to the cleaners.

AMYSA

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odyss...@aol.com said:

>What else has Janel done? WW is my first exposure to her.

"sports night" (monica, the wardrobe assistant who sticks it to casey), "er" (a
welfare mother), "the adventures of brisco county jr." (a woman with a sick boy
and a husband in prison) and in the feature "the souler oposite", which was
pretty mediocre, but she was great in it.

she was pat white in one of the episodes of "from the earth to the moon", but i
only saw four or five of those, so i don't know which one she was in.

Shadowy Moon

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Jan 17, 2001, 10:43:32 AM1/17/01
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"AMYSA" <am...@aol.comasutra> wrote in message
news:20010117103529...@ng-bk1.aol.com...

> odyss...@aol.com said:
>
> >What else has Janel done? WW is my first exposure to her.
>
> "sports night" (monica, the wardrobe assistant who sticks it to casey),
"er" (a
> welfare mother), "the adventures of brisco county jr." (a woman with a
sick boy
> and a husband in prison) and in the feature "the souler oposite", which
was
> pretty mediocre, but she was great in it.

That's where I've seen her before! I watched that movie last summer when it
was on Showtime because Chris Meloni was in it, and it kept driving me crazy
because I recognized the woman in it but couldn't place her.

Thanks, Amy!

Moon
--
Ms. Perky: People perceive you as somewhat...
Katarina: Tempestuous?
Ms. Perky: "Heinous bitch" is the term used most often.
---*10 Things I Hate About You*

email me at shadowymoon at postmark dot net


Lynn

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Jan 17, 2001, 5:02:50 PM1/17/01
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>lillian said:
>
>>I wear my dry-clean stuff a several times if they're not dirty or
>>smelly (duh!), but not twice in a row.
>
AMYSA wrote...

>
>i would probably wear pants two days in a row if they were simple and
>it wouldn't be obvious. i mean, i certainly get up and throw on the
>same pair of jeans from the night before from time to time.

You wash jeans?

I don't remember; did she wear them two days in a row? They could be
dress slacks, too. She might wear them when she goes out to dinner or
a museum opening, so they could be good for several wearings between
cleanings.
--
Lynn

Sorry if this is a duplicate. My isp RMI.net (IC&C) sucks bigtime!

BJ Checket

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"Lynn" <ka...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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I hesitate to continue this thread...but what the heck...
As someone who doesn't use fabric softener (to save on grocery bills) and
someone who often buys cotton/polyester blend fabrics (to save on clothing
shopping bills) I find that socks, underwear, etc... stick to clothing
constantly. It's the very bane of my existence and has often challenged me
to change my tight-wad ways to buy fabric softener or softener sheets or
static-cling once in a while. It's very easy for something to stick to an
item of clothing without my being aware. Nothing (thankfully) has ever
fallen out but I live in fear that one day something will and at the most
inopportune time. More frustrating is that socks or undies will stick to my
bed linens and I'll think that they've gone to sock heaven until I strip the
bed to find they've been hiding there all along. So, in short, I think it
very plausible that a pair of underwear would surreptitiously lodge
themselves in a place in your slacks where (considering the added padding of
pantyhose) they may not be felt until it's too late.
Anyway, this show never ceases to amaze me much in the same way the Sports
Night did. Long live The West Wing!

BJC


raven

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Jan 17, 2001, 6:53:10 PM1/17/01
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AMYSA <am...@aol.comasutra> wrote in message
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> odyss...@aol.com said:
>
> >What else has Janel done? WW is my first exposure to her.

<snip>


>
> she was pat white in one of the episodes of "from the earth to the moon",
but i
> only saw four or five of those, so i don't know which one she was in.

Thanks for the heads up, Amy. I have all the 'From the Earth to the Moon'
shows - now I have a reason to go back and re-watch them! As if I don't
have enough to watch now ;-)

--
Lesley

"Coach! It looks like I just jacked off an elephant."
Franklin - 'The Replacements'

Bobbie Dean

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Jan 17, 2001, 9:28:03 PM1/17/01
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In article <lxp96.3395$CR2.1...@news3.atl>, "BJ Checket"
<bche...@nospam.bellsouth.net> wrote:

:"Lynn" <ka...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

:
:

I still don't see how you leave a dirty pair of panties in the slacks
- - I see taking the slacks off, you're going to wear them again - -
but to take both off together and not think about it? That's what
stumps me. Am I the only one who keeps track of her dirty panties?

Userb3

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Jan 18, 2001, 1:24:12 PM1/18/01
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On Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:28:03 -0600, Bobbie Dean wrote:

>I still don't see how you leave a dirty pair of panties in the slacks
>- - I see taking the slacks off, you're going to wear them again - -
>but to take both off together and not think about it? That's what
>stumps me. Am I the only one who keeps track of her dirty panties?

Oh hell.

You come in late, you're tired. You kick off your shoes at the door and
walk to the bedroom. Grabbing underwear and pants both in your thumbs
you slide your pants off and pitch them across the chair or bedstand
and go to bed. In the morning or the next day, you're not thinking
about where your underwear ended up - you're getting dressed. If the
pants are still clean and wrinkle free, you pull them on. If you're not
being especially attentive, you don't notice that your underwear have
slipped down the leg and are clinging to the inside of your pants.

It happens.

And to tell the truth, I don't spend a great deal of time thinking
about my dirty underwear. There's only so many places they could be.
--
userb3
Insert witty saying here


Bobbie Dean

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Jan 18, 2001, 9:30:02 PM1/18/01
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In article <hfreofgneonaqarg...@news.alt.net>, "userb3"
<use...@my-deja.com> wrote:

:
:

IOW - Donna never listened to her mother about taking care of her
clothes and is somewhat of a slob.

Userb3

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Jan 19, 2001, 9:52:10 AM1/19/01
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On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:30:02 -0600, Bobbie Dean wrote:

>IOW - Donna never listened to her mother about taking care of her
>clothes and is somewhat of a slob.

Those wouldn't be the words I'd choose. IOW - Donna has bigger fish to
fry and made a relatively common, innocuous error that is slightly
embarrassing. I bet she's worn a navy sock with a black sock sometime,
too!

Stephen Fuld

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"Bobbie Dean" <xit...@sirinet.net> wrote in message
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snip


> IOW - Donna never listened to her mother about taking care of her
> clothes and is somewhat of a slob.

She may not listen to her mother, but she is certainly not a slob. Donna is
usually well dressed and, except for the one time that psople commented on
when she was wearing an open blouse over a tank top, usually quite elegantly
and conservtively.

--
- Stephen Fuld


Deborah

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Jan 20, 2001, 11:33:55 AM1/20/01
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> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001 20:30:02 -0600, Bobbie Dean wrote:

> >IOW - Donna never listened to her mother about taking care of her
> >clothes and is somewhat of a slob.

If you notice quite often Josh looks rumpled, as if he hasn't had time to
shave or go home and change clothes. Guess we can excuse him because he's so
busy, but Donna, who always looks pretty together imo, gets deemed a slob
because of one off screen faux pas? Seems like Donna works almost as hard as
Josh. Let's say we cut her some slack.

I like the few scenes we've gotten of folks in casual clothes. Last week's
ep that had the guys in their jeans and sweatshirts was a treat. Josh looks
pretty cute in his jeans.

I was surfing around and just happened to catch a brief glimpse of Bradley
Whitford in one of the nerd movies. He was not a nerd but one of the snotty
guys. Weird to see him with so much hair. He's much cuter now.

Deb


AMYSA

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Jan 20, 2001, 12:19:35 PM1/20/01
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deborah said:

>If you notice quite often Josh looks rumpled, as if he hasn't had time to
>shave or go home and change clothes.

hey, he's even admitted it. remember the pilot? :-)

Mary D

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"Deborah" <tins...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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And I've watched several movies that Bradley has been in recently and found
that I do like him in a good-looking dark suit. He wears it well. :-)

Mary


kfj

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Jan 20, 2001, 12:48:13 PM1/20/01
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In article <20010120121935...@ng-mh1.aol.com>,

am...@aol.comasutra (AMYSA) wrote:
> deborah said:
>
> >If you notice quite often Josh looks rumpled, as if he hasn't had
time to
> >shave or go home and change clothes.
>
> hey, he's even admitted it. remember the pilot? :-)

heh, yummy rumpled Josh. yeah.

uh, sorry. Oops. Back to the topic - Donna always looks very neat and
put together, and I agree with the original poster she is most
definitely not a slob - near as we can tell, and certainly she has it
all over Josh in terms of making it into work in clean, pressed clothes.
-k


--
I said he should, if for no other reason than it's the easiest thing to
remember, tell the truth. -Toby Ziegler, The West Wing

Bobbie Dean

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Jan 20, 2001, 4:03:23 PM1/20/01
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In article <94cj0r$qpb$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, kfj <kar...@my-deja.com>
wrote:

:In article <20010120121935...@ng-mh1.aol.com>,


: am...@aol.comasutra (AMYSA) wrote:
:> deborah said:
:>
:> >If you notice quite often Josh looks rumpled, as if he hasn't had
:time to
:> >shave or go home and change clothes.
:>
:> hey, he's even admitted it. remember the pilot? :-)
:
:heh, yummy rumpled Josh. yeah.
:
:uh, sorry. Oops. Back to the topic - Donna always looks very neat and
:put together, and I agree with the original poster she is most
:definitely not a slob - near as we can tell, and certainly she has it
:all over Josh in terms of making it into work in clean, pressed clothes.
:-k

She just drops her dirty underwear at social functions.

It wasn't so much being in rumpled clothes - - but the idea of not
knowing where her dirty underweard is - - remember what you're mom
told you about having clean underwear on in case you were in an
accident.

Deborah

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Jan 20, 2001, 6:53:40 PM1/20/01
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Bobbie Dean <xit...@sirinet.net> wrote in message news:xiting-

> She just drops her dirty underwear at social functions.

Gee, thanks for sharing that image. The didn't look that dirty when Josh was
fondling them. Maybe the reporter washed them first <g>. Besides, I don't
think it's a regular thing with her. Just a fluke.

> It wasn't so much being in rumpled clothes - - but the idea of not
> knowing where her dirty underweard is - -

Well, I've come home late from work so tired I just peeled everything off.
I'm still inclined to cut her some slack. One faux pas does not mean it's a
regular thing.

> remember what you're mom told you about having clean underwear on in case
you were in an
> accident.

I'd probably wet my pants if I was in an accident. I imagine the state of my
underwear would be the least important thing on my mind or my mothers. But
that's just me. Besides don't most of us have categories of underwear? Date
underwear, comfortable underwear, newest underwear, not quite new,
time-of-the-month underwear and cleaning rags.

Hmmm, maybe I'll buy some new underwear tomorrow.

Deb

XFWatcher

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Jan 21, 2001, 11:29:44 AM1/21/01
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Yeah, my first thought during the 'underwear scene' in 'The Leadership
Breakfast' was that Josh and Sam had no room to judge Donna. I recalled the
pilot where Josh and Sam had a conversation that went something like this.

Josh: Isn't that the same suit you wore yesterday?

Sam: Yeah. You?

Josh: Yeah.

Although, being guys, they would probably take great pleasure in torturing
Donna over the incident.

L.

Maureen Goldman

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Jan 21, 2001, 1:09:16 PM1/21/01
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xfwa...@aol.com (XFWatcher) wrote:

Doesn't wearing the same clothes often mean that they "got lucky"?
IIRC, in the pilot, Sam had spent the night with Laurie. Josh slept at
the office.

AMYSA

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Jan 21, 2001, 1:19:12 PM1/21/01
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maureen said:

>Doesn't wearing the same clothes often mean that they "got lucky"?

in real life and sitcoms it often does, but in the case of this show it seems
to indicate that they work 24 hours a day.

sam slept a laurie's, but if he hadn't been paged, there's no reason to believe
he wouldn't have swung by his apartment and picked up a change of clothes.

gcutler

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Jan 21, 2001, 4:37:28 PM1/21/01
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Funny thing is that most guys wouldn't even notice someone wearing the same
clothes especially since the clothes don't exactly jump out from the average
clothes anyone else wears. Most of my work clothing is identical (like 3
pair of identical blue dockers, and 2 pair of identical black dockers, etc.)
When I wore suits to work, it was pretty similar to my more casual wardrobe
on redundancy. Remember Men like to join the Army because they are told
what to wear and it is usually the identical thing every day (easier to roll
out of bed and get dressed) :-}

The only way most guys would notice would be the wrinkling associated with a
second day of wear (And even then maybe not).

"Maureen Goldman" <inksl...@FOGsunshine.net> wrote in message
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leo g. divinagracia iii

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Jan 22, 2001, 11:49:26 PM1/22/01
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2die4 wrote:

> I happen to agree. Janel is lucky to get two scenes per show, and most
> of the time those two scenes are not of substance to the major
> storyline. The mark of an excellent actress is the fact that she can
> make so much of so little screen time.
>

of course her scenes where she just pops up and yells something to josh are
good ones too... remember "yoyo-ma rules!" scene? ;-)

--
Leo G. Divinagracia III
ldiv...@csuhayward.edu


Bonbon

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Jan 23, 2001, 9:01:33 AM1/23/01
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>of course her scenes where she just pops up and yells something to josh are
>good ones too... remember "yoyo-ma rules!" scene? ;-)
>
>--
>Leo G. Divinagracia III

Speaking of Yoyo Ma, if you like him, you'll love the music in Crouching Tiger,
Hidden Dragon. It's a beautiful piece of work and hope it is acknowledged at
Oscar time.

Hunter Rose

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Jan 24, 2001, 6:25:42 PM1/24/01
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On 23 Jan 2001 14:01:33 GMT, tresb...@aol.commotion (Bonbon) wrote:

>Speaking of Yoyo Ma, if you like him, you'll love the music in
>Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon. It's a beautiful piece of work and
>hope it is acknowledged at Oscar time.

Finally saw the movie Sunday. Picked up the soundtrack on
Monday, as well as the Yo-Yo Ma Bach cello concertos.

It *should* win many Oscars.

HR

SixPacMac

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Jan 24, 2001, 10:43:50 PM1/24/01
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Would rather here more about Donna's underwear than Yooo Yoooo
Mama............


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Smogey69

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I can't believe I'm the 78th person to add to this strand...or whatever you
call it. To answer the question...."has this ever happened to anyone in real
life?" Much to the embarrasment of my friend (who will remain
nameless)....YES! This friend came into work (Early Intervention Program..and
she was the Social Worker)...and suddenly there around her ankle was a pair of
panties and she was wearing a pair in the usual place. So, as creative as TWW
is....it has happened before.
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