Was any previous mention made of Santos supporting his brother's kid?
Larc
areas I'm not sure of. Was Santos' statement to Vinick that the kid he's
supporting is his brother's something new or was this brought out earlier? If
it's new information, then it possibly throws a wrench into things. TV writers
don't usually come up with such plot devices unless they intend to make full use
of them.
Larc
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> TV writers don't usually come up with such plot devices unless they
> intend to make full use of them.
Not familliar with the quality of shows on NBC eh... Seemingly large plot
devices like this go silent with out warning all the time.
Schmedley
"Larc" <larc...@jupiterlink.net> wrote in message
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> I've missed a few episodes of TWW since I started watching, so there are
some
> areas I'm not sure of. Was Santos' statement to Vinick that the kid he's
> supporting is his brother's something new or was this brought out earlier?
If
> it's new information, then it possibly throws a wrench into things. TV
writers
> don't usually come up with such plot devices unless they intend to make
full use
> of them.
>
> Larc
>
>
remember the context but it was very early in the campaign and Josh
commissioned opposition research on Santos and this popped up.
karl
"Schmedley" <schm...@pod.oog> wrote in message
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> There was something about it in one of the shows last season; I dont
> remember the context but it was very early in the campaign and Josh
> commissioned opposition research on Santos and this popped up.
Ya that rings a bell. They did mention something about Santos getting
somebody a job.
The other thing that is being overlooked because of the bombshell nature of
the big secret is Santos' diary with embarrassing comments about various
figures. That is the sort of thing that probably every poltico harbours and
should be shot for writing down.
Greybeard
> I've missed a few episodes of TWW since I started watching, so there are
> some areas I'm not sure of. Was Santos' statement to Vinick that the
> kid he's supporting is his brother's something new or was this brought
> out earlier? If it's new information, then it possibly throws a wrench
> into things. TV writers don't usually come up with such plot devices
> unless they intend to make full use of them.
Josh learns (thru Joey Lucas' research) that Matt Santos is supporting his
ne'er-do-well brother in "Opposition Research".
In "Running Mates", Jorge/George (Matt's brother) wants Matt to meet with a
couple of his (possibly shady) "business associates". It's suggested in the
sides that Jorge/George is attempting to peddle influence.
Greybeard
Tim May
<larc...@jupiterlink.net> wrote:
> I've missed a few episodes of TWW since I started watching, so there are some
> areas I'm not sure of. Was Santos' statement to Vinick that the kid he's
> supporting is his brother's something new or was this brought out earlier? If
> it's new information, then it possibly throws a wrench into things. TV
> writers
> don't usually come up with such plot devices unless they intend to make full
> use
> of them.
NBC could spin-off the "West Wing" as a sitcom about the first Mexican
in the White House, with his kid brother providing comic relief. Sort
of a "Billy Carter" character, getting into situations President Santos
has to bail him out of.
--Tim May
cro...@ymoctl.com
>> of them.
>
> NBC could spin-off the "West Wing" as a sitcom about the first Mexican
> in the White House, with his kid brother providing comic relief. Sort
> of a "Billy Carter" character, getting into situations President Santos
> has to bail him out of.
>
>
> --Tim May
Funnier possibilities:
Tim May as president having to work with members of minority groups.
Our current president dealing with brother Neill.
Tim May
<cro...@ymoctl.com> wrote:
> Tim May wrote:
> >> of them.
> >
> > NBC could spin-off the "West Wing" as a sitcom about the first Mexican
> > in the White House, with his kid brother providing comic relief. Sort
> > of a "Billy Carter" character, getting into situations President Santos
> > has to bail him out of.
> >
> >
> > --Tim May
>
> Funnier possibilities:
> Tim May as president having to work with members of minority groups.
White people are now a "minority."
--Tim May
Auntie Lib
> I've missed a few episodes of TWW since I started watching, so there are some
> areas I'm not sure of. Was Santos' statement to Vinick that the kid he's
> supporting is his brother's something new or was this brought out earlier? If
> it's new information, then it possibly throws a wrench into things. TV writers
> don't usually come up with such plot devices unless they intend to make full use
> of them.
As well as the other stuff mentioned, in "Opposition Research" last
season Josh tells Santos that he has found out that "your brother
hasn't worked in five years." It is implied that Santos has been
supporting him and Josh is worried that he might have tried to put him
in a government job. Also that he is "a high school graduate who can
barely read."
Sounds like a real winner.
If I were Josh, I'd tip off some reporter that there is a story to be
had in Anita Morales, the former Texas clerk. Let a reporter get all
the details about Anita and Matt's brother and the kid and the
child-support payments. If it comes out ny other way - even if Santos
announces it himself - he will be disbelieved, the way Vinick did. But
if the press sniff out the story...
elizabeth
cro...@ymoctl.com
Maybe in your community but certainly not nation wide.
peachy ashie passion
The problem is, as was mentioned, there are only two weeks left
before the election. That isn't time enough for it all to come out. By
election day all that would be known is that Matt Santos got some girl a
government job and is paying her child support.
Auntie Lib
> > If I were Josh, I'd tip off some reporter that there is a story to be
> > had in Anita Morales, the former Texas clerk. Let a reporter get all
> > the details about Anita and Matt's brother and the kid and the
> > child-support payments. If it comes out ny other way - even if Santos
> > announces it himself - he will be disbelieved, the way Vinick did. But
> > if the press sniff out the story...
>
> before the election. That isn't time enough for it all to come out. By
> election day all that would be known is that Matt Santos got some girl a
> government job and is paying her child support.
True enough, but this IS television. And the story isn't all that
complicated. A good newspaper reporter should be able to do the
research and get something in print in a day or two.
The alternative is to pray that the Vinick campaign will be able to
resist temptation (especially if their numbers drop) and hold back
leaking it themselves. Not being in control of it has got to be a
pretty scary proposition, even with only two weeks to go.
I'm wondering if Josh knows. Was it something Joey Lucas dug up in her
opposition research? If not, how well hidden is this woman and her
kid? Could a reporter find out, all on his own, with no prompting from
either camp?
elizabeth
Neill Massello
> TV writers don't usually come up with such plot devices unless they intend
> to make full use of them.
They just did. Otherwise, why make it so clear, with that smarmy twist
at the end, that it will have no further political relevance?
As a plot device, it was derivative (essentially a combination of the
briefing book and Cisneros scandals) and implausible. An unlocked,
unmarked briefcase, containing private notes and a checkbook, that
accidentally gets left behind in the same room that will be used by the
opposition? Maybe the writers thought this one up while watching Crash.
At least they realized it wasn't good for more than one episode.
Hunter Rose
wrote:
> If I were Josh, I'd tip off some reporter that there is a story to
> be had in Anita Morales, the former Texas clerk. Let a reporter get
> all the details about Anita and Matt's brother and the kid and the
> child-support payments. If it comes out ny other way - even if
> Santos announces it himself - he will be disbelieved, the way Vinick
> did. But if the press sniff out the story...
You'd trust the *whole* story to come out? When it's in the
press' interests to pimp a 'scandal' even if it's not genuine?
HR
Joseph Coulter
news:g4iu12171kabdk6fp...@4ax.com:
yes, but to have the real story and run it first is still a scoop and
scoops yield the bigger salaries.
--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/
Hunter Rose
Uh huh. The 'scandal' is a scoop in itself, and you can run
with it for days before trickling the truth out. Tell the truth up
front, and the story has no play. You don't keep viewers glued to the
screen with scoops.
HR
Elle
>> You'd trust the *whole* story to come out? When
>> it's in the
>> press' interests to pimp a 'scandal' even if it's not
>> genuine?
Good lord you must read only the tabloids and Usenet. Or
you're parrotting the fifth grade hens of alt.tv.er,
incapable of any original thought.
Of course it's in the media's interests to publish the
truth. Have you any idea how many major TV and print
publishers have been nailed in the last few years for
publishing falsehoods, thus forced into retractions?
Jim Elwell
Comedy Central already did a WH sitcom (the
short-lived "That's My Bush!"). It even had
George regularly dealing with his wacky next-door
neighbor who drops in whenever he feels like it...
-Jim
Tim May
<cro...@ymoctl.com> wrote:
> Tim May wrote:
...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --Tim May
> >> Funnier possibilities:
> >> Tim May as president having to work with members of minority groups.
> >
> > White people are now a "minority."
> >
> > --Tim May
>
>
> Maybe in your community but certainly not nation wide.
In the nation's most populous state, with more than 33.9 million
people, whites have minority status in California. An estimated 45.2%
of the population, with mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons breeding
and sneaking in at a very rapid rate.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California#Racial_and_ancestral_makeup>
Orientals applying for admission to UC Berkeley were re-classified as
"non-minority" for the purposes of racial quotas, minority setasides,
preferential admissions, and race-normed SAT evaluations.
--Tim May
Larc
That was happening in this country at least as far back as two centuries ago.
It's a lesson the media has been very slow to learn.
When everybody else who gets punished in some way for lying stops doing it, I'll
believe it's possible the media might have become scrupulously honest. But not
one second before!
David Johnston
<tim...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>In article <ytGTf.2355$4L1....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com>,
><cro...@ymoctl.com> wrote:
>
>> Tim May wrote:
>...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --Tim May
>> >> Funnier possibilities:
>> >> Tim May as president having to work with members of minority groups.
>> >
>> > White people are now a "minority."
>> >
>> > --Tim May
>>
>>
>> Maybe in your community but certainly not nation wide.
>
>In the nation's most populous state, with more than 33.9 million
>people, whites have minority status in California. An estimated 45.2%
>of the population, with mulattoes, quadroons, and octoroons breeding
>and sneaking in at a very rapid rate.
"octoroons" generally are white.
Elle
> When everybody else who gets punished in some way for
> lying stops doing it, I'll
> believe it's possible the media might have become
> scrupulously honest. But not
> one second before!
Terrible system. But I can't think of a better one to get
the truth out to the public.
Tim May
<rgo...@block.net> wrote:
The CNN reporter "Soledad O'Brien" is whiter than I am, with one white
parent and the other parent being a quadroon or somesuch.
And yet she trumpets that she "feels for the plight of
African-Americans, because I am one of them."
Mighty white of her.
--Tim May, African-American
David Johnston
<tim...@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>>
>> "octoroons" generally are white.
>>
>
>The CNN reporter "Soledad O'Brien" is whiter than I am, with one white
>parent and the other parent being a quadroon or somesuch.
>
Exactly.