Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
Toniann
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- I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
"firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby -- Ross already
has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind of -- I mean, I know they
weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a birth involved. I'm just
saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
- The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want to fill me in on
Yamamoto?
- You know, just a short time ago CJ was talking about how we shouldn't be
so chummy with Qumar. Her reasons were different, but -- well, it just turns
out she was kind of right, doesn't it?
- The fact that Amy Gardner (that's Josh's girlfriend's name, isn't it?)
likes Van Morrison is, I must say, a plus in my book where she's concerned.
Here's an odd thing, though: the second time we saw her in the apartment,
the closed captioning said they were playing "Caravan", but that was
definitely "Moondance". Just one of those things. I take my Van Morrison
seriously. Must have changed it in post-production or something.
- Loved that moment where Josh is on the phone, sprawled on his bed, talking
about his girlfriend and her whole Van Morrison/Flashdance thing... to
Donna.
- Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that actually
a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I don't know if it'll
make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that one. It really is that
cold, and they really don't have Mount Rushmore.
- Like CJ, I'm kind of warming up to seeing that "Wars of the Roses" thing
too. So, you know, in the end, I'm glad Bartlet's going.
- I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
Antivirus installed?
- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
her gravestone, with Charlie in the background. The president walked to the
car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much immediately. I didn't see
Charlie walking with them. What, did he ride back in a different car, or did
they leave him there? That's not very nice.
- TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
moment was coming. It made me nervous, though -- I kept thinking that
Special Agent Donovan surely wasn't scanning the perimeter while he was
leaning in for the kiss. Be careful with my CJ, there. As a side note,
though, I really liked her "nice thing" that she said to him at the firing
range. As a tall woman, I'm forced to admit that it does make you feel more
feminine.
- Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those this ep,
to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who wouldn't be? I've
been trying to find one myself for years. So what the Russians used a
pencil -- that pen is cool.
- Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
- Last but not least, I know we've talked about this here before, but the
Oval Office has, I swear, the loudest ticking clock on the planet.
Intentional?
Toniann
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> - I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
> commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
> "firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby -- Ross already
> has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind of -- I mean, I know
they
> weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a birth involved. I'm just
> saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
>
> - The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want to fill me in on
> Yamamoto?
http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/prs-for/japan/japrs-xz/i-yamto.htm
Oak 1900
Date: 5/15/2002 9:19 PM Central Daylight Time:
>- Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
>surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
My vote: Yes.
I'd also let the writers have it: Amy's dialogue is terribly clever, delivered
with style, and is even often persuasive. But she doesn't know enough to employ
stealth to get what she wants?
So she's in a rush to circle the wagons, but dropping Josh's cell into the
stew? Then cutting his phone line? I thought, "'Fatal Attraction's' Alex has
risen from the dead."
I guess she *really* doesn't want to be boyfriend/girlfriend with Josh "Boxer
Shorts" Lyman. Yet if she had the brains the writers pretend she has, she'd
keep her mouth shut, enjoy the sex and not being called a lesbo, and steal as
much information as possible for her own organization's not entirely admirable
goals.
I guess she's the feminist caricature (Clown Limbaugh has a less polite
appellation) for whom we've all been waiting on the West Wing.
The party scene with Abby was cute and I thought just an aberration on a swell
evening where a good time was had by all. But Alex was cute at first, too.
Kitkatxyz
>Date: 5/15/2002 9:19 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
>her gravestone, with Charlie in the background. The president walked to the
>car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much immediately. I didn't see
>Charlie walking with them. What, did he ride back in a different car, or did
>they leave him there? That's not very nice.
While Bartlet and Leo were talking, you could see Charlie walk up and get in
one of the other cars. I guess the president gave him a "moment alone" with
Mrs. L. too
Paul
> the apartment, the closed captioning
> said they were playing "Caravan",
> but that was definitely "Moondance".
> Just one of those things. I take my
> Van Morrison seriously.
Same here- I didn't like her much previously, tonight's Van-nity started to
win me over, then she lost me again with her phone bullshit. Were I Josh,
I'd've pretended to try to retrieve my phone and "oops, sorry honey, spilling
the stew all over your laptop was an accident."
Oak 1900
Date: 5/15/2002 10:15 PM Central Daylight Time:
>Were I Josh,
>I'd've pretended to try to retrieve my phone and "oops, sorry honey, spilling
>the stew all over your laptop was an accident."
Ha! This reminds me of the pas de deux between the Kathleen Turner and Michael
Douglas characters in "The War of the Roses."
AMYSA
>So she's in a rush to circle the wagons, but dropping Josh's cell into the
>stew? Then cutting his phone line?
they were at her apartment, no?
amy
"i have underwear in there."--conan o'brien
Sandy McDermin
>
> Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
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> - Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
> surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
>
Yes, after he spilled the Administration's guts to his untrustworthy
girlfriend. In my opinion, in these types of relationships, you have to
have a safety sphere or you might as well end it now....
No matter what kind of blame Leo accepted in the end.
Sandy
Oak 1900
Date: 5/15/2002 10:42 PM Central Daylight Time:
>oak...@aol.com (Oak 1900) said:
>
>>So she's in a rush to circle the wagons, but dropping Josh's cell into the
>>stew? Then cutting his phone line?
>
>they were at her apartment, no?
Now I believe they were. I'm going from my recollection of Josh's apartment
during the episode where he had a session with Stanley. Plus the place looked
more like a woman's apartment. Kempt. Undoubtedly there were more clues. My jaw
had already hit the floor when we saw Josh in his shorts doing the 'I'm a manly
man--look where I am' to Donna thing on the phone in the opening scenes.
AMYSA
>- I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
>commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
>"firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby -- Ross already
>has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind of -- I mean, I know they
>weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a birth involved. I'm just
>saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
i know...we were discussing this tonight and figured that it was just too many
words for them to say, "the first time one of the central female characters
gives birth to only one baby and plans to raise it herself". it was just easier
for them to say, "another first".
the frequency with which they run those ads and the fact that they run those
little teasers at the bottom of the screen during shows don't bug me half as
much as that damn enya song does, though...
>- The fact that Amy Gardner (that's Josh's girlfriend's name, isn't it?)
>likes Van Morrison is, I must say, a plus in my book where she's concerned.
yeah...she won some points there.
i still like the character (although a bit less after tonight), but all the van
morrison in the world isn't going to get me to believe that her being made a
regular next season is a good idea at all. i assume she'll be a regular in the
sense that kathryn joosten was a regular, but still...the show is just too
crowded. i don't want to see amy gardner or miss new executive security when i
should be seeing toby and sam and charlie.
>Here's an odd thing, though: the second time we saw her in the apartment,
>the closed captioning said they were playing "Caravan", but that was
>definitely "Moondance". Just one of those things. I take my Van Morrison
>seriously. Must have changed it in post-production or something.
how odd. maybe they couldn't decide on the song and just filled one in until it
came time to edit.
>- Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that actually
>a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I don't know if it'll
>make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that one. It really is that
>cold, and they really don't have Mount Rushmore.
i thought donna did a great job. and it was completely believable to have her
in that situation...unlike some other places they've forced her. granted, i've
never been bugged by the occasional forced moment, but this one made sense.
>- I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
>Antivirus installed?
yeah, that was annoying.
>- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
>her gravestone, with Charlie in the background. The president walked to the
>car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much immediately. I didn't see
>Charlie walking with them. What, did he ride back in a different car, or did
>they leave him there? That's not very nice.
you know, i totally missed that. i guess that i had forgotten about charlie by
the time they left. i was actually thinking about him the entire time jed was
walking off, but once he and leo reached the car i'd completely abandoned him.
i wasn't at the top of my tv viewing game tonight, though. i missed much of
what was going on in the sit room because i was trying to decide if the one guy
(the one who's also on "csi" and "24") had lost a great deal of hair since the
last time i saw him or if i was just imagining things.
>- TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
>moment was coming.
as long as they don't hook them up while he's supposed to be protecting her, i
guess i don't really care one way or the other. i like simon (although i keep
calling him sam and have to stop myself and remind me that sam donovan was on
"sports night") and i enjoy their "banter", but i just have this horrible
feeling that they're going to kill him. i'm not spoilering myself on the finale
(beyond the nbc spoilers), so i have no idea what's going to happen. instead, i
get to play the guessing game for the next week and worry about simon's fate.
> It made me nervous, though -- I kept thinking that
>Special Agent Donovan surely wasn't scanning the perimeter while he was
>leaning in for the kiss.
i was nervous when we got that shot from across the street. i wasn't sure if we
were supposed to be viewing them through someone else's eyes or not.
>- Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those this ep,
>to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who wouldn't be? I've
>been trying to find one myself for years. So what the Russians used a
>pencil -- that pen is cool.
a girl i went to high school with had one. she was a truly horrible person and
we became enemies senior year (and it's a story that i just love to rehash,
because it still baffles me) so i never got to play with it. <g>
>- Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
>surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
a little bit. i mean, bartlet was right, but his anger was displaced.
over all, one of the better episodes this season, i thought.
AMYSA
>i don't want to see amy gardner or miss new executive security
which, apparently, is a new character that i've developed myself...
Steve Bartman
wrote:
>- Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that actually
>a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I don't know if it'll
>make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that one. It really is that
>cold, and they really don't have Mount Rushmore.
It's a thing, among others. The coasts don't generally know it but the
Dakotas--and especially North--are becoming depopulated. So is Iowa,
whose gov is begging foreign immigrants to come and settle. It's a
reversal of the 19th Century. Lots of farm land going back to prairie,
small town drying up and blowing away. We drive across North D. a lot
going to and from Montana and it's EMPTY.
True they don't have Mt. R. but they do have the Badlands and TR
National Park, complete with a herd of bison in the parking lot.
They're worth seeing . . . once.
>- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
>her gravestone, with Charlie in the background.
Were we ever told she was buried at Arlington? With whom? Her husband?
>- Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
>surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
Somewhat, but he did it to blow off steam over the foreign policy
crisis. He'll probably apologize later.
Steve
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Jennyfer
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> - I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
> commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
> "firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby -- Ross already
> has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind of -- I mean, I know
they
> weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a birth involved. I'm just
> saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
>
> - The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want to fill me in on
> Yamamoto?
>
He was assasinated by P-38 Lightnings... we shot his plane down (an unarmed
transport), and claimed it was happinstance (can you say "Magic"?)
It is what they are going to do to Shariff's Lear jet next week.
> - You know, just a short time ago CJ was talking about how we shouldn't be
> so chummy with Qumar. Her reasons were different, but -- well, it just
turns
> out she was kind of right, doesn't it?
>
> - The fact that Amy Gardner (that's Josh's girlfriend's name, isn't it?)
> likes Van Morrison is, I must say, a plus in my book where she's
concerned.
> Here's an odd thing, though: the second time we saw her in the apartment,
> the closed captioning said they were playing "Caravan", but that was
> definitely "Moondance". Just one of those things. I take my Van Morrison
> seriously. Must have changed it in post-production or something.
>
> - Loved that moment where Josh is on the phone, sprawled on his bed,
talking
> about his girlfriend and her whole Van Morrison/Flashdance thing... to
> Donna.
>
> - Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that
actually
> a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"?
Absolutely.
The funny thing is, is that they do not need Federal approval to do it. The
name of a state is under the perview of that state, just as its constitution
and flag are.
> Huh. Well, I don't know if it'll
> make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that one. It really is
that
> cold, and they really don't have Mount Rushmore.
>
> - Like CJ, I'm kind of warming up to seeing that "Wars of the Roses" thing
> too. So, you know, in the end, I'm glad Bartlet's going.
>
> - I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
> Antivirus installed?
>
CJ is dialing in to her own email... the White House uses MS Exchange with
MS Outlook (standard gov't build)...
> - Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
> her gravestone,
And I want to know how Landingham got burried at Arlington???
> with Charlie in the background. The president walked to the
> car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much immediately. I didn't
see
> Charlie walking with them. What, did he ride back in a different car, or
did
> they leave him there? That's not very nice.
>
> - TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
> moment was coming. It made me nervous, though -- I kept thinking that
> Special Agent Donovan surely wasn't scanning the perimeter while he was
> leaning in for the kiss. Be careful with my CJ, there. As a side note,
> though, I really liked her "nice thing" that she said to him at the firing
> range. As a tall woman, I'm forced to admit that it does make you feel
more
> feminine.
>
> - Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those this
ep,
> to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who wouldn't be? I've
> been trying to find one myself for years. So what the Russians used a
> pencil -- that pen is cool.
>
A simpler solution.
Why invent the wheel, when existing technology can accomplish the same
task...?
However, there may be an issue of graphite fragments in the ventilation
system... space is essentially a 'clean' room.
> - Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
> surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
>
No... that's the point.
Lynn
> Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> - I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but
> that commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me.
I've never seen the show, and ads for it slathered across the screen
didn't impress me at all.
> - Loved that moment where Josh is on the phone, sprawled on his bed,
> talking about his girlfriend and her whole Van Morrison/Flashdance
> thing... to Donna.
Yeah, but he needs to wash his floor. Did you notice how dirty her feet
were? Ewwwww.
> - Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that
> actually a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I
> don't know if it'll make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on
> that one. It really is that cold, and they really don't have Mount
> Rushmore.
Too bad the Badlands are in South D. They could build a West World
there. And get Ritchie to visit.
> - I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
> Antivirus installed?
Not to mention a firewall - Zone Alarm is free.
> - Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs.
> Landingham, at her gravestone, with Charlie in the background.
Looked like a military cemetary to me. Was I the only one who wondered
why she and her husband didn't have a double headstone?
> - TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of
> romantic moment was coming.
Have to admit - they do have good chemistry, although just handing her
the gun made me cringe. Maybe the Dems should stop slamming the NRA and
take a course in gun safety.
> - Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those
> this ep, to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who
> wouldn't be? I've been trying to find one myself for years. So what
> the Russians used a pencil -- that pen is cool.
I think they sell them at the Discovery store, don't they? I've seen
them somewhere, in the not-too-distant pass.
> - Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
> surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
I don't know. Caught me off guard, too. Must be leading up to
something, no? About the only thing Bartlet didn't admonish him for,
was talking to his girlfriend. Why hasn't he learned to keep his mouth
shut.
The best part of the whole show: Toby asking Sam if he was still mad.
And, Fitzwallace. Wow.
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Patty Winter
Toniann <hir...@earthlink.netBYE> wrote:
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>Antivirus installed?
Yeah, I wondered about that, too!
>- TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
>moment was coming.
I really hope they aren't going to off Simon next week. His and CJ's
scenes are charming.
>- Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those this ep,
>to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who wouldn't be? I've
>been trying to find one myself for years.
Sorry to ask the obvious, but have you ever checked NASA's gift shops?
The gift shop at KSC even sells them online through Yahoo Shopping
(store.yahoo.com/nasa/40.html) for $19.95.
Patty
SeaShel
>> talking about his girlfriend and her whole Van Morrison/Flashdance
>> thing... to Donna.
>Yeah, but he needs to wash his floor. Did you notice how dirty her feet
>were? Ewwwww.
First thing I noticed; that was so nasty! My floors have never been that
dirty, and I am a pretty poor housekeeper...have those NEVER been washed?
Or does she not wash her feet?
SeaShel
Lynn
>
> as long as they don't hook them up while he's supposed to be
> protecting her, i guess i don't really care one way or the other. i
> like simon (although i keep calling him sam and have to stop myself
> and remind me that sam donovan was on "sports night") and i enjoy
> their "banter", but i just have this horrible feeling that they're
> going to kill him. i'm not spoilering myself on the finale (beyond
> the nbc spoilers), so i have no idea what's going to happen. instead,
> i get to play the guessing game for the next week and worry about
> simon's fate.
Ok - I actually hadn't thought of that. We've already had a shooting
cliffhanger, so I thought they'd forego it this time. I think you may
be on to something, though.
I was thinking Josh would hand in his resignation; but Simon getting
shot/killed will be a more powerful visual.
>> It made me nervous, though -- I kept thinking that
>> Special Agent Donovan surely wasn't scanning the perimeter while he
>> was leaning in for the kiss.
>
> i was nervous when we got that shot from across the street. i wasn't
> sure if we were supposed to be viewing them through someone else's
> eyes or not.
Me, too. Did he get in that black SUV, or whatever it was? I assumed
he was walking, so I thought, for a moment, there was going to be
trouble.
Michael Halbrook
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> Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
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>
> - I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but
> that commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one
> about "firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby --
> Ross already has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind of -- I
> mean, I know they weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a
> birth involved. I'm just saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
She is the first baby to be born to 2 of the friends (Ben's mom isn't a
cast member, she's recurring, and Pheobe's kids are with non-cast
members).
> - Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that
> actually a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I don't
> know if it'll make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that
> one. It really is that cold, and they really don't have Mount
> Rushmore.
Yeah, they're really thinking about droping the North. Personally, I
don't think it will help.
> - Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
> surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
Yes it was, he was stupid to mention it to her, knowing she'd have to
"mobilize the troops" over it.
> "Have you changed shampoo?"
Best line of the night. Those two do that serious stare thing so well
too.
Michael Halbrook
@news.supernews.com:
> Me, too. Did he get in that black SUV, or whatever it was? I assumed
> he was walking, so I thought, for a moment, there was going to be
> trouble.
He got in the SUV
Steve Bartman
<cheops.k...@mailops.compound> wrote:
>Too bad the Badlands are in South D.
They're in both Dakotas.
>Looked like a military cemetary to me.
It looked like Arlington to me. I don't know of another veteran's
cemetery close enough for a casual ride, but there might be one.
Was I the only one who wondered
>why she and her husband didn't have a double headstone?
Veteran cemeteries don't do that, or any kind of custom headstone. You
get the standard issue, which is one reason they're so visually
impressive.
Ramaswamy
>>- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
>>her gravestone, with Charlie in the background.
>
>Were we ever told she was buried at Arlington? With whom? Her husband?
Yes, and we now know his name: Henry. I expect he was a veteran, and I also
expect their twin boys are buried somewhere in the neighborhood.
>>- Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
>>surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
>
>Somewhat, but he did it to blow off steam over the foreign policy
>crisis. He'll probably apologize later.
Maybe, maybe not. But Sorkin could be setting up a metamorphosis of an
assured POTUS into a short-fused re-election candidate; we had him yell at
Leo about the chip manufacturer in the last episode. Now this.
Cheers,
Ramaswamy
doc
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>>
>> - I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
>> commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
>> "firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby -- Ross already
>> has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind of -- I mean, I know
>they
>> weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a birth involved. I'm just
>> saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
>>
>> - The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want to fill me in on
>> Yamamoto?
>
>http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/prs-for/japan/japrs-xz/i-yamto.htm
>
O Tempora, O Mores! There was a day not long ago when the name
Yamamoto was so widely known that several professional wrestlers
(badguys) went by the ring name of Tojo Yamamoto.
The way we teach history in this country needs serious scrutiny!
Steve Bartman
<ramaxnu...@earthlink.know.spam.net> wrote:
>Yes, and we now know his name: Henry. I expect he was a veteran, and I also
>expect their twin boys are buried somewhere in the neighborhood.
I was offering a golden retriever a pizza plate to lick and missed the
close up during the negotiations. Thanks.
Dana Akanova
<Jenny...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
>However, there may be an issue of graphite fragments in the ventilation
>system... space is essentially a 'clean' room.
Humans shed much more of their skin particles than there is graphite
from a couple of pencils
Yeah, how _did_ Mrs. Landinham get to be buried there?
Amber
"Steve Bartman" <sbar...@visi.com> wrote in message
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>
> Veteran cemeteries don't do that, or any kind of custom headstone. You
> get the standard issue, which is one reason they're so visually
> impressive.
>
My parents are buried in a small veteran's cemetery and they don't have
headstones -- just a small plaque in the ground.
Amber
Amber
"Lynn" <cheops.k...@mailops.compound> wrote in message
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> AMYSA proclaimed...
> >
> > as long as they don't hook them up while he's supposed to be
> > protecting her, i guess i don't really care one way or the other. i
> > like simon (although i keep calling him sam and have to stop myself
> > and remind me that sam donovan was on "sports night") and i enjoy
> > their "banter", but i just have this horrible feeling that they're
> > going to kill him. i'm not spoilering myself on the finale (beyond
> > the nbc spoilers), so i have no idea what's going to happen. instead,
> > i get to play the guessing game for the next week and worry about
> > simon's fate.
>
> Ok - I actually hadn't thought of that. We've already had a shooting
> cliffhanger, so I thought they'd forego it this time. I think you may
> be on to something, though.
>
> I was thinking Josh would hand in his resignation; but Simon getting
> shot/killed will be a more powerful visual.
>
Does anyone want to play "guess the stalker"? My feeling is, it's got to be
a character that's already appeared on the show, or there won't be any
emotional pay of for it. So who do we know that might be unhappy with CJ?
One of the ones that I remember (especially since they showed that episode
again during the recent repeats, which might be a clue), is the "fashion"
reporter that commented on CJ's change of clothes and then got humiliated by
CJ on camera.
Anyone else want to guess?
Would be nice if they kept Mark Harmon on the show. The man does NOT look 50
years old!
Amber
Paul McElligott
> - I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
> Antivirus installed?
>
slip by. Norton might not pick it up if it wasn't in its virus definition
database.
Jordan Franklin
doc wrote:
> O Tempora, O Mores! There was a day not long ago when the name
> Yamamoto was so widely known that several professional wrestlers
> (badguys) went by the ring name of Tojo Yamamoto.
>
> The way we teach history in this country needs serious scrutiny!
Please don't take this wrong, it is not meant as any kind of a flame and I agree
with the sentiment. But I can't help but be struck by the irony of complaining
about history knowledge in the same posting that recalls the names of
professional wrestlers.
It is a little like riding your Harley to Hamlet, which I have done by the way.
Jordan
Standing on the shoulders of giants, searching for something profound to say.
The-Trainers
Correct, and IF someone this determined had half a brain he would
have tested his virus against the current Norton and other detectors
to see if it would be detected.
And the stalker does NOT have to be this smart himself, he could
easily have gotten all the techy help he needed from strangers
on-line.
However, this fact is no doubt an accidentally supportive fact
of Sorkins story-line, I'm sure Sorkin didn't have a clue
when he was writing this bit.
He was just tossin-in something "cool" and techy that most people
are too ignorant to know either way about, he just got lucky
that his assertion could have been true.
Mike Trainer, Life-long Liberal Democrat Atheist, Gun-owner and VOTER!
Gun-owner since the 1994 Clinton gun-ban, VOTER since Carter in 1976,
NRA member since Al Gore 51-50 in 1999, GOA member in 2001. Now voting
ONLY on the issue of protecting my right to keep and bear arms.
doc
wrote:
>
>
>Please don't take this wrong, it is not meant as any kind of a flame and I agree
>with the sentiment. But I can't help but be struck by the irony of complaining
>about history knowledge in the same posting that recalls the names of
>professional wrestlers.
>
>It is a little like riding your Harley to Hamlet, which I have done by the way.
>
Nothing wrong with that!
The allusion to professional wrestlers was meant to convey the idea
that Admiral Yamamoto's name and reputation were once part of the
popular culture. Many keen students of history are also great fans of
professional wrestling, although I always tended more toward roller
derby myself.
Seriously, if the dramatis personae of the Second World War are no
longer part of the contemporary lexicon and iconography, when there
are so many survivors of that era still among us, then it is safe to
assume that they were less than successful in passing stories of their
youth on to subsequent generations.
And the fact that you recognized the irony of my allusion endears you
to me, almost as much as the Harley reference. LOL.
David Marc Nieporent
>Jordan Franklin <fran...@tznet.com> wrote:
>>Please don't take this wrong, it is not meant as any kind of a flame and I agree
>>with the sentiment. But I can't help but be struck by the irony of complaining
>>about history knowledge in the same posting that recalls the names of
>>professional wrestlers.
[...]
>Seriously, if the dramatis personae of the Second World War are no
>longer part of the contemporary lexicon and iconography, when there
>are so many survivors of that era still among us, then it is safe to
>assume that they were less than successful in passing stories of their
>youth on to subsequent generations.
Americans are ignorant. If you saw that (bad) HBO pseudo-documentary on
9/11 this week, a couple of kids set up a map in a local convenience store
and then asked customers to circle Afghanistan. This was soon after 9/11,
after Osama Bin Laden had been implicated and his home base in Afghanistan
identified.
The people they showed circled Kazakhstan, Israel (!), and Poland (!!!).
To confuse Afghanistan and Pakistan is one thing; to miss the _continent_
is quite another.
---------------------------------------------
David M. Nieporent niep...@alumni.princeton.edu
J Alex
"David Marc Nieporent" <niep...@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote in message
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at all. I CAN find Afghanistan on a map (although now that I think about it,
I'd probably have some trouble if it wasn't labelled - too many '-stans' in
that area), but can't say my life would be much different if I had to spend
a few minutes reading the labels.
Before WWII, most people had no clue where the Solomon Islands were, but we
still managed to kick Japan's ass there.
Ignorance of the small stuff isn't a problem as long as we get the big stuff
right.
J Alex
"Dana Akanova" <aka...@DELETETHIShotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 15 May 2002 23:37:39 -0500, "Jennyfer"
> <Jenny...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >However, there may be an issue of graphite fragments in the ventilation
> >system... space is essentially a 'clean' room.
>
> Humans shed much more of their skin particles than there is graphite
> from a couple of pencils
>
Sandy McDermin
Her husband was probably buried there.
Sandy
Toniann Scime
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 02:42:04 GMT, "Jane" <pshe...@houston.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >"Toniann" <hir...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >> Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> - The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want to fill me in on
> >> Yamamoto?
> >
> >http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/prs-for/japan/japrs-xz/i-yamto.htm
> >
> O Tempora, O Mores! There was a day not long ago when the name
> Yamamoto was so widely known that several professional wrestlers
> (badguys) went by the ring name of Tojo Yamamoto.
>
> The way we teach history in this country needs serious scrutiny!
Though, as I alluded to above, when someone (and someone adult, mind you, I
stopped being counted among the "youth of today" a few decades ago) admits
to ignorance of a topic and a desire to learn, I think the way we teach
history in this country is best served by sharing it informatively, rather
than pointing fingers at ignorance. <smile>
FWIW, the link provided, though interesting, doesn't really explain what
*Fitz* was talking about re Yamamoto, which is what I was specifically
curious about.
Toniann
Toniann Scime
That's a good point. I was nitpicking -- and later I did think of the
definition database. The geek in me wanted a whole techie explanation of
just what you said, which of course would be pretty dull and bad
scriptwriting, which is why I don't make the big bucks. <g>
Toniann
J Alex
"Toniann Scime" <amu...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Yamamoto. Seeing an opportunity to get rid of Japan's best military
strategist, they sent a fighter to shoot it down. So Fitz was giving an
example where the U.S. had gone after a specific person, and would be
justified in doing it again.
Toniann Scime
> >From: "Toniann" hir...@earthlink.net
> >Date: 5/15/2002 9:19 PM US Eastern Standard Time
>
> >- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham,
at
> >her gravestone, with Charlie in the background. The president walked to
the
> >car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much immediately. I didn't
see
> >Charlie walking with them. What, did he ride back in a different car, or
did
> >they leave him there? That's not very nice.
>
>
> While Bartlet and Leo were talking, you could see Charlie walk up and get
in
> one of the other cars. I guess the president gave him a "moment alone"
with
> Mrs. L. too
Ah ha! I missed that. Well, I'm glad Charlie didn't get ditched. <g>
Toniann
Jerri
> And I want to know how Landingham got burried
> at Arlington???
She was in a double grave with her husband.
Jerri
Toniann Scime
> The U.S. intercepted Japanese information regarding flight plans for
Admiral
> Yamamoto. Seeing an opportunity to get rid of Japan's best military
> strategist, they sent a fighter to shoot it down. So Fitz was giving an
> example where the U.S. had gone after a specific person, and would be
> justified in doing it again.
Ah. Excellent explanation. Thank you.
Toniann
Toniann Scime
> toniann said:
>
> >- I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
> >commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
> >"firsts"? I don't get it. This isn't the first Friend baby -- Ross
> >already has a son and Phoebe had the triplets. Well, kind
> > of -- I mean, I know they
> >weren't actually hers, but there was definitely a birth involved. I'm
> >just saying. Technically, you know, not a first.
>
> many words for them to say, "the first time one of the central female
> characters gives birth to only one baby and plans to raise it herself".
> it was just easier for them to say, "another first".
Yeah, that's it exactly, I think. I just felt like a long-time "Friends" fan
getting shortchanged -- do they think I don't know my Friends Facts? I could
rule at Friends Trivia, and I wouldn't even need to bet my apartment.
Also, I was already in a snit over Buffy's teaser of "...hath no fury like a
Wiccan scorned" for next week. Sigh. Willow's pretty far outside of Wiccan
parameters, for what it's worth. Also I didn't see her getting scorned.
These days it's the catch-phrase that matters most, I guess.
> the frequency with which they run those ads and the fact that they run
> those little teasers at the bottom of the screen during shows don't bug
> me half as much as that damn enya song does, though...
Oh, I concur. I actually like the song but, you know, enough already.
> >- The fact that Amy Gardner (that's Josh's girlfriend's name, isn't it?)
> >likes Van Morrison is, I must say, a plus in my book where she's
> >concerned.
>
> yeah...she won some points there.
>
> i still like the character (although a bit less after tonight), but all
> the van morrison in the world isn't going to get me to believe that
> her being made a regular next season is a good idea at all. i assume
> she'll be a regular in the sense that kathryn joosten was a regular,
> but still...the show is just too crowded. i don't want to see amy
> gardner or miss new executive security when i
> should be seeing toby and sam and charlie.
Your info beats mine, as always -- I had no idea she was being made a
regular next season. Really? Really really? Why?
Pure speculation: any chance she'll be coming to work for the White House, a
la Ainsley? In other words, did Bartlet's comment to Josh about how they'd
be better off if he and his girlfriend switched jobs have any real meat to
it? Oh, of course I'm not saying *Josh* is going anywhere, but maybe Bartlet
will want to entice her to their team?
> >- TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
> >moment was coming.
>
> as long as they don't hook them up while he's supposed to be protecting
> her, i guess i don't really care one way or the other. i like simon
> (although i keep calling him sam and have to stop myself and remind
> me that sam donovan was on "sports night") and i enjoy their "banter",
> but i just have this horrible feeling that they're going to kill him. i'm
> not spoilering myself on the finale (beyond the nbc spoilers), so i
> have no idea what's going to happen. instead, i get to play the
> guessing game for the next week and worry about simon's fate.
Frankly, I'm not very good at finding spoilers for TWW, other than the NBC
ones, as you said. Seems rather a shame to kill the poor guy off, if that's
the case. Also, if they wanted to do this whole thing about CJ grieving,
they should probably have invested...
You know what? Too much speculation on my part. I'll wait for the finale.
<vbg>
> >- Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those this
> >ep, to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who
> > wouldn't be? I've
> >been trying to find one myself for years. So what the Russians used a
> >pencil -- that pen is cool.
>
> a girl i went to high school with had one. she was a truly horrible person
> and we became enemies senior year (and it's a story that i just love to
> rehash, because it still baffles me) so i never got to play with it. <g>
Great story, amy. LOL. I've got similar ones... but without the pen.
Toniann
Nancy Dooley
> I was thinking Josh would hand in his resignation; but Simon getting
> shot/killed will be a more powerful visual.
>
non-law-enforcement ones - have to have shootings? I really like
Simon and CJ together and think it's just be a cheap trick to have
Simon killed.
Why can't CJ ever have a steady beau? I liked her with Danny, too,
but they got rid of him. Simon is perfect for her, once the stalker
is gone.
N.
Jackie McElroy
Steve Bartman <sbar...@visi.com> wrote:
>
> It looked like Arlington to me. I don't know of another veteran's
> cemetery close enough for a casual ride, but there might be one.
>
There's one in baltimore. Whether it's close enough for a casual drive
depends on one's notion of how far that is, I suppose. The one in
baltimore is striahgt up the Baltimore-Washington parkway to I-695
(Baltimore Beltway) and then east on Frederick Avenue. Probably a 45
minute drive for most of us; less if we were in a presidential
motorcade, but he'd probably go by helicopter to this one, anyway.
It looked like Arlington to me, too.
-jackie
Jackie McElroy
Kissimmee, Florida USA
http://www.reedycreekdispatch.webservepro.com/
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/mcjackietron/
mailto:mcjack...@earthlink.net
Lynn
>
> Does anyone want to play "guess the stalker"? My feeling is, it's got
> to be a character that's already appeared on the show, or there won't
> be any emotional pay of for it. So who do we know that might be
> unhappy with CJ? One of the ones that I remember (especially since
> they showed that episode again during the recent repeats, which might
> be a clue), is the "fashion" reporter that commented on CJ's change
> of clothes and then got humiliated by CJ on camera.
As soon as you said, "guess the salker", I thought of her, too.
> Would be nice if they kept Mark Harmon on the show. The man does NOT
> look 50 years old!
Yeah? What does 50 look like?
--
Lynn
http://www.lynnsland.com
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Life is a search for the truth; and there is no truth
- Chinese Proverb
=====================================================
Lynn
>
> Americans are ignorant.
No we're not. We just know different things.
> If you saw that (bad) HBO pseudo-documentary
> on 9/11 this week, a couple of kids set up a map in a local
> convenience store and then asked customers to circle Afghanistan.
Totally useless information. Much more important for me to know the
difference between a debit and a credit than the location of, what used
to be, some obscure country.
doc
You will note that no personal criticism was leveled at you in my
response. AAMOF, great pains were taken not to make the response ad
hominem.
If, OTOH, you choose to take offense, please feel free.
Toniann Scime
> Toniann proclaimed...
> > - TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of
> > romantic moment was coming.
>
> Have to admit - they do have good chemistry, although just handing her
> the gun made me cringe. Maybe the Dems should stop slamming the NRA and
> take a course in gun safety.
Well, I don't know, but I thought that it couldn't be an especially good
thing for her to go tumbling down with the gun in her hand, flying over her
head. Would those have been, you know, blanks in his gun? I mean, I realize
no, most of the time, Special Agent Donovan would not have just blanks, but
he was at the firing range. I don't know a heck of a lot about guns so that
may be an obvious question, but...
> The best part of the whole show: Toby asking Sam if he was still mad.
> And, Fitzwallace. Wow.
Fitz was my favorite part of the show. Thank goodness John Amos is back.
They need to hang on to him, forcefully if necessary. <g> Though, it
wouldn't kill them to put him and Nancy McNally in the same room.
Toniann
Jeremy Billones
Toniann Scime <amu...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>Well, I don't know, but I thought that it couldn't be an especially good
>thing for her to go tumbling down with the gun in her hand, flying over her
>head. Would those have been, you know, blanks in his gun? I mean, I realize
>no, most of the time, Special Agent Donovan would not have just blanks, but
>he was at the firing range. I don't know a heck of a lot about guns so that
>may be an obvious question, but...
It's a rather obvious question :)
A "blank" has all the gunpowder to make it go boom, but doesn't have the
metal at the end to shoot out. So you can't exactly shoot a target
with it.
(You can hurt someone with a blank, though -- little bits of stuff do
come out the end.)
--
Jeremy Billones "It was then I realized how dire my medical situation was.
Here I was, a network admin, unable to leave, and here was someone with a
broken network. And they didn't ask me to fix it. They didn't even try to
casually pry a hint out of me." - <rtu...@spamcop.net>
Toniann Scime
> David Marc Nieporent proclaimed...
> >
> > Americans are ignorant.
>
> No we're not. We just know different things.
I concur. For example, to me it's surprising anyone has to ask for details
of the War of the Roses, but then again, that was my interest, not someone
else's. I'm not going to assume that someone asking is ignorant, just that
they aren't obsessed with Tudor History the way I am.
As much as I would love to be a student of everything, there are going to be
some areas I'm going to miss. I'm not hesitant about saying as much; I've
always loved the idea that the beginning of wisdom is to admit ignorance.
And then ask questions, of course. And learn answers. Basically, as Lynn
said, we know different things. No harm in sharing the wealth.
I'm being preachy. But I feel to need to say that it's hardly going to be
the last time I'm going to admit to not knowing something. I don't think
anyone here is going to be surprised that there are things I don't know
(name the episode reference!). <g>
Toniann
Toniann Scime
in message news:3ce3b8ee...@news.xprt.net...
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 12:39:51 GMT, "Toniann" wrote:
> >Though, as I alluded to above, when someone (and someone adult, mind you,
I
> >stopped being counted among the "youth of today" a few decades ago)
admits
> >to ignorance of a topic and a desire to learn, I think the way we teach
> >history in this country is best served by sharing it informatively,
rather
> >than pointing fingers at ignorance. <smile>
> >
> >FWIW, the link provided, though interesting, doesn't really explain what
> >*Fitz* was talking about re Yamamoto, which is what I was specifically
> >curious about.
> >
>
> You will note that no personal criticism was leveled at you in my
> response. AAMOF, great pains were taken not to make the response ad
> hominem.
>
> If, OTOH, you choose to take offense, please feel free.
Au contraire, I took no offense at all! I just wanted to point out that my
question hadn't been answered. Though no one here is under any obligation to
assuage my curiosity, of course, I do think we can all learn from each other
and not waste time worrying about the Ignorance of America.
But I apologize if my response to you seemed flippant.
Toniann
Toniann Scime
> Toniann <hir...@earthlink.netBYE> wrote:
> >- Non sequitur though it was (and there seemed to be a lot of those this
ep,
> >to me, anyhow), I'm fascinated by the astronaut pen. Who wouldn't be?
I've
> >been trying to find one myself for years.
>
> Sorry to ask the obvious, but have you ever checked NASA's gift shops?
> The gift shop at KSC even sells them online through Yahoo Shopping
> (store.yahoo.com/nasa/40.html) for $19.95.
Bless your heart, Patty. I looked on the NASA gift shop linked to a NASA
site some time ago, but didn't see anything. However, you are correct, a
couple of clicks on Yahoo Shopping and I found the official Fisher Space
Pen -- and moments later, ordered one of my own. Thank you!
Toniann
J Alex
absolutism' is that the main concern the U.S. had about targeting Yamamoto
was whether it would give away the fact that we were reading Japanese
communications. As far as I know, Nimitz wasn't bothered a bit about the
morality of going after an individual.
In my opinion it highlights one of the strengths of the U.S. - concentrate
on the end result, and don't allow 'rules of war' to get in the way of
winning.
Lynn
>
> (You can hurt someone with a blank, though -- little bits of stuff do
> come out the end.)
Yup. Just ask Jon-Erik Hexum.
Lynn
>
> Fitz was my favorite part of the show. Thank goodness John Amos is
> back. They need to hang on to him, forcefully if necessary.
Ye gads. For those who vote in the Bammy's over on rat, John Amos is
definitely in for best recurring/guest star. I was thinking, "Emmy
material, for sure," last night. Hope he submits.
doc
<amu...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>"Lynn" <cheops.k...@mailops.compound> wrote
>
>> David Marc Nieporent proclaimed...
>> >
>> > Americans are ignorant.
>>
>> No we're not. We just know different things.
>
>I concur. For example, to me it's surprising anyone has to ask for details
>of the War of the Roses, but then again, that was my interest, not someone
>else's. I'm not going to assume that someone asking is ignorant, just that
>they aren't obsessed with Tudor History the way I am.
>
>As much as I would love to be a student of everything, there are going to be
>some areas I'm going to miss. I'm not hesitant about saying as much; I've
>always loved the idea that the beginning of wisdom is to admit ignorance.
>And then ask questions, of course. And learn answers. Basically, as Lynn
>said, we know different things. No harm in sharing the wealth.
>
Americans are not ignorant. Neither are they as clever as they give
themselves credit for.
And while I applaud your idea that wisdom is, indeed, an appreciation
of the limits of one's knowledge and an openness to the search for
more, there are certain elements of our educational process, combined
with a defensiveness and uniquely American bluster, which sometimes
make us rootless and, for want of a better term, ignorant.
The contrived generational subculture system, which makes each
successive generation speak their own patois and invent their own
icons in some quixotic attempt to develop a unique identitiy, is a
primary example of the cleverness of American marketing practices and
the decline of yet another lynchpin of social cohesiveness in our
culture.
That, of course, is just a fancy way of saying that we Americans tend
to have a blatant contempt for history and thus deny ourselves the
opportunity to learn from our forebears' experience.
And, God, this sermonette is becoming as dry as one of Jed Bartlett's
pedantic asides to the staff.
Jackie McElroy
Toniann <hir...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> - The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want
> to fill me in on Yamamoto?
>
Command-in-Chief of the Japanese Combined Fleet and architect of the
attack on Pearl Harbor. He was also the architect of the proposed
Japanese advance through the Pacific with included capturing Midway
Island and using it as a base from which to control the Pacific Ocean
and carry the war to Hawaii and the west coast of the United States,
should that become necessary. He was defeated at Midway in large part
because U.S. navy cryptanalysts had broken the Japanese Naval codes
and could read the messages between Japanese heacdquarters and the
ships afloat. Thus, the Americans knew what Admiral Yamamoto was
planning and could position themselves to prevent it.
The admiral was killed on April 18, 1943, one year to the day after
General Doolittle's raid on Tokyo. The plane in which he ws riding was
shot down by a U.S. Army Air Corps flight of Lockheed P-38 Lightening
fighters, one of the most exotic and gorgeous looking aircraft to ever
be built by Lockheed (currently Lockheed Martin) or anyone else.
Admiral Yamamoto's death was not a random act of war but a
pre-planned attack with the admiral himself as the primary target.
In short, he was assassinated. It was a wartime assassination to be
sure but still an assassination, and one which was approved by
President Franklin Roosevelt himself.
Admiral Yamamoto was on an inspection trip from Rabaul to Bougainville
and then to Guadalcanal. The schedule for his trip had been sent in
advance to the Japanese bases he would be vsiting. Those encrypted
messages were intercepted by the U.S. Navy and the encryption broken.
being able to read the messages, the Americans knew exactly where he
intended to be and when.
This was not the first time U.S. cryptanalysts led by Navy Capt.
Rochefort had burned the Imperial Navy by breaking into its supposedly
secure communications. Admiral Chester Nimitz, Commander-in-Chief of
the U.S. Pacific Fleet, armed with information provided by Rochefort's
team on Japanese battle plans, ambushed the Japanese Navy at
Coral Sea and later, as I said, defeated them at the battle of
Midway.
The P-38s were based at Henderson Field on Guadalcanal. Admiral
Yamaoto was riding in one of two Mistsubishi G4Y Betty Bombers. His
was shot down over Bougainville. Everyone aboard was killed. The
second bomber went down in the ocean, and there were a few survivors.
The P-38 fighters also shot down a half dozen or so Japenese Zeros,
fighter aircraft that were flying escort for the admiral.
After the attack a Japanese search party located the wreckage,
including the Admiral's body, which they ceremoniously cremated.
doc
McElroy) wrote:
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 at 02:19:32 GMT,
> Toniann <hir...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> - The Wise Woman admits her own ignorance. Anyone want
>> to fill me in on Yamamoto?
>>
>
>Command-in-Chief of the Japanese Combined Fleet and architect of the
>attack on Pearl Harbor. He was also the architect of the proposed
>Japanese advance through the Pacific with included capturing Midway
>Island and using it as a base from which to control the Pacific Ocean
>and carry the war to Hawaii and the west coast of the United States,
>should that become necessary. He was defeated at Midway in large part
>because U.S. navy cryptanalysts had broken the Japanese Naval codes
>and could read the messages between Japanese heacdquarters and the
>ships afloat. Thus, the Americans knew what Admiral Yamamoto was
>planning and could position themselves to prevent it.
>
Very good synopsis!
The assassination of Yamamoto was, arguably, a touchstone in the
Pacific War and, quite literally, the beginning of the end of the
Japanese juggernaut. He was targeted specifically due to his
irreplacability in the war effort. Whereas Dolittle's raid was
largely for propoganda purposes, the very carefully planned (and
extremely lucky) assassination of Yamamoto was strategic.
It is something of an irony of history that the Admiral himself was
simply a professional soldier. He privately expressed grave
misgivings about the feasibility of achieving certain objectives in
the Pacific Theater. He was a thoughtful, scholarly and reserved man
by nature, but his competency and genius were serious threats to
American survival.
But he, as far as most historians can determine, was not a true
believer in Japanese Imperialism like most of his comrades in the
Imperial High Command.
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 9:30 AM Central Daylight Time
>The contrived generational subculture system, which makes each
>successive generation speak their own patois and invent their own
>icons in some quixotic attempt to develop a unique identitiy, is a
>primary example of the cleverness of American marketing practices and
>the decline of yet another lynchpin of social cohesiveness in our
>culture.
And this linchpin would be?
This "subculture system" and the effort of every generation seeking its own
identity: Yes, I'm sure marketing corrupts or biases the kids' imaginations,
but without the marketing, the imaginations themselves would surely inevitably
seek to distinguish themselves from previous generations, while also taking in
much of the experience of previous generations, no?
A society that does otherwise seems to me to fail to be a culture. Growth is a
part of the human experience, isn't it? Without some quixotic searching, we are
soul-less, no?
I heard the other day that Jazz will be the classical music of our generation.
Isn't the continual creation of new genres of music--new patois--a good thing?
>That, of course, is just a fancy way of saying that we Americans tend
>to have a blatant contempt for history and thus deny ourselves the
>opportunity to learn from our forebears' experience.
>
>And, God, this sermonette is becoming as dry as one of Jed Bartlett's
>pedantic asides to the staff.
This last line makes you all right (upright?) in my book. ;)
John Hogan
[good summaries snipped]
> It is something of an irony of history that the Admiral himself was
> simply a professional soldier. He privately expressed grave
> misgivings about the feasibility of achieving certain objectives in
> the Pacific Theater. He was a thoughtful, scholarly and reserved man
> by nature, but his competency and genius were serious threats to
> American survival.
>
> But he, as far as most historians can determine, was not a true
> believer in Japanese Imperialism like most of his comrades in the
> Imperial High Command.
He actually spent time in the US in the '20s (I think he studied in
Cambridge, Mass.). The story I've heard is that he rode a train from San
Francisco to New York and, somewhere along the way, realized that Japan
couldn't possibly win a war against us. He'd seen maps, but he hadn't
realized how freakin' big this country is: how much food we can grow,
how much steel we can make, how many people we can draft. Too bad he
couldn't convey the impact of that experience to his colleagues.
John Hogan
Biddle Law Library/AFSCME Local 590
Toniann Scime
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 14:04:32 GMT, "Toniann Scime"
> >"Lynn" <cheops.k...@mailops.compound> wrote
> >
> >> David Marc Nieporent proclaimed...
> >> >
> >> > Americans are ignorant.
> >>
> >> No we're not. We just know different things.
> >
> >I concur. For example, to me it's surprising anyone has to ask for
details
> >of the War of the Roses, but then again, that was my interest, not
someone
> >else's. I'm not going to assume that someone asking is ignorant, just
that
> >they aren't obsessed with Tudor History the way I am.
> >
> >As much as I would love to be a student of everything, there are going to
be
> >some areas I'm going to miss. I'm not hesitant about saying as much; I've
> >always loved the idea that the beginning of wisdom is to admit ignorance.
> >And then ask questions, of course. And learn answers. Basically, as Lynn
> >said, we know different things. No harm in sharing the wealth.
> >
> Americans are not ignorant. Neither are they as clever as they give
> themselves credit for.
>
> And while I applaud your idea that wisdom is, indeed, an appreciation
> of the limits of one's knowledge and an openness to the search for
> more, there are certain elements of our educational process, combined
> with a defensiveness and uniquely American bluster, which sometimes
> make us rootless and, for want of a better term, ignorant.
Though on the opposing side of the coin, some part of American society's
thirst for information and curiosity does lead to self-education. When one's
mind is open to it, that is.
You make a good point, especially regarding defensiveness and bluster. I
sometimes feel I cannot speak to the educational process and its blame,
however. I went to an inner city high school many years ago; they did the
best they could, which wasn't saying much. But I'm out of tune with today's
secondary educational system. No matter how many articles I read on the
subject, I still feel I'm lacking a true sense of what is and isn't being
taught, and learned.
Toniann
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 9:11 AM Central Daylight Time
>As far as I know, Nimitz wasn't bothered a bit about the
>morality of going after an individual.
Nimitz's family was taken in the Pearl Harbor slaughter. It wouldn't surprise
me at all to learn he felt no compunction about assassinating Yamamoto.
Also, I think military officers had a different mindset then. My Lai-type
episodes were probably more common during WWII then we like to admit (not to
discount what Germany was doing in the camps and the moral clashes and body
calculus these realities engender).
>In my opinion it highlights one of the strengths of the U.S. - concentrate
>on the end result, and don't allow 'rules of war' to get in the way of
>winning.
I don't think the U.S. has this philosophy. We try to abide by the Geneva
Convention, for example. Many feel we should have assassinated Saddam Hussein
in the early 1990s, but government officials only recently have even begun
discussing the possibility of overturning the law that prohibits a
government-sponsored, mafia style vendetta.
Not that I'm opposed to such assassinations. I'm still thinking about it.
David Marc Nieporent
"Lynn" <cheops.k...@mailops.compound> wrote:
>David Marc Nieporent proclaimed...
>> Americans are ignorant.
>No we're not. We just know different things.
Yeah; if someone asks the plot of General Hospital, or the quarterback for
the Tennessee Titans, or the state of Meg Ryan's marriage, Americans can
jump right in and answer.
>> If you saw that (bad) HBO pseudo-documentary
>> on 9/11 this week, a couple of kids set up a map in a local
>> convenience store and then asked customers to circle Afghanistan.
>Totally useless information. Much more important for me to know the
>difference between a debit and a credit than the location of, what used
>to be, some obscure country.
False dichotomy. There's no reason one can't know both; there's no
tradeoff there. Knowing a little about world geography is basic knowledge
that anybody with a high school diploma should have. (Of course, I can see
how there's no time to fit it into the curriculum when kids have to
memorize trendy multicultural lists of the first minority to do X or the
role of women in colonial America.)
---------------------------------------------
David M. Nieporent niep...@alumni.princeton.edu
Bill Livingston
>Amber proclaimed...
>> Does anyone want to play "guess the stalker"? My feeling is, it's got
>> to be a character that's already appeared on the show, or there won't
>> be any emotional pay of for it. So who do we know that might be
>> unhappy with CJ? One of the ones that I remember (especially since
>> they showed that episode again during the recent repeats, which might
>> be a clue), is the "fashion" reporter that commented on CJ's change
>> of clothes and then got humiliated by CJ on camera.
>
>As soon as you said, "guess the salker", I thought of her, too.
Maybe Mandy?
>> Would be nice if they kept Mark Harmon on the show. The man does NOT
>> look 50 years old!
>
>Yeah? What does 50 look like?
L - well, only if you're a Roman.
Not to disappoint anyone, but I have a feeling Mark Harmon may be the one who
gets shot next week.
Bill L.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
bil...@hiwaay.net http://home.hiwaay.net/~billfl
"If you're dumb, surround yourself with smart people. And if you're smart,
surround yourself with smart people who disagree with you."
Isaac Jaffee (Robert Guillaume), "Sports Night"
J Alex
"David Marc Nieporent" <niep...@alumni.princeton.edu> wrote in message
news:nieporen-BB7743...@news-east.giganews.com...
> False dichotomy. There's no reason one can't know both; there's no
> tradeoff there. Knowing a little about world geography is basic knowledge
> that anybody with a high school diploma should have. (Of course, I can
see
> how there's no time to fit it into the curriculum when kids have to
> memorize trendy multicultural lists of the first minority to do X or the
> role of women in colonial America.)
Are you saying the role of women in colonial America is not worth knowing?
Now THAT is ignorant. And it betrays not just an ignorance of facts, but an
ignorance of what is and is not important.
ing
>
> Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> - The fact that Amy Gardner (that's Josh's girlfriend's name, isn't it?)
> likes Van Morrison is, I must say, a plus in my book where she's concerned.
Too little, too late for me. I can honestly say in all my years
of watching TV, I've *never* disliked a character more. She seems
to have a flippant arrogance that galls. Plus that monotone
voice ... to me it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. I
just honestly *can't* see her as a leader of women in a
high-level lobbying job. She's way too light-weight. And I
swear, when she cut that phone line with the scissors ....
and threw the cell phone in the stew -- well, I'd have
thrown something at her, had she done that to me. Arrogant
little bitch, is what I thought to myself. What the heck is
it about bitchy sneering women that some men really like?
That's got me stumped.
<.....>
>
> - Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
> surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
Absolutely. What's Josh doing telling his girlfriend about
stuff like that - knowing full well what her political views
are and what her agenda consists of? Is the guy *totally*
out to lunch? Good lord, he's a high-ranking White House
official ... seems to me he's thinking with his pecker
instead of his brain. He deserved what Jed said -- and more.
The guy's massive ego and limited foresight is getting in
the way of him doing the job he's expected to do. IMO.
>
> - Last but not least, I know we've talked about this here before, but the
> Oval Office has, I swear, the loudest ticking clock on the planet.
> Intentional?
Yeah, I think so ... adds tension to moments of silence when
folks are trying to come to a decision. Thing is -- it's an
old ruse, almost cliche -- been used for decades in film and
television.
Couple of nits from me.
I like C.J., but honestly, how could she be so incredulous
that the Secret Service has a an actual firing range in
their building? Or a gym. I mean like, doh! And I mean,
wouldn't you think, having been at the site of a real live
shooting (assassination attempt not all that long ago) ...
she'd be a little leery around guns? Yet she grabbed that
Magnum from the agent with all the fear I have in grabbing a
sauce pan out of the cupboard. Unbelievable to me.
Also, the lead up to a kind of romantic thing on the street
with the Agent ... I could see that coming, but holy cow ...
I couldn't believe he'd allow himself to come that close to
getting into a clinch with C.J. whose life he's guarding ...
on a main street of what looks like a downtown street ... a
day or so (?) after knowing he missed identifying/seeing the
stalker in a department store. You'd think that after that
little episode, he'd be on extra-tuned-in alert, and not
allow *anything* to divert him. I mean, what would have
happened if he and C.J. had been kissing -- and she'd taken
a bullet to the brain?
(Mind you -- *that* would've been a real season ender.) I
just found it unbelievable that SS agents could be that
*easily* diverted -- almost.
I dunno, somehow, this ep didn't "feel" like a season ender
to me. Slightly dissatisfying - I only got one wish for
next season .... PLEASE get the hell rid of Amy. She's a
cringe-causing embarrassment.
Good notes on your part, Toniann ... your random thoughts
are the first thing I read in this group, the day after an episode!
ing
Patty Winter
ing <ing.b...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>I dunno, somehow, this ep didn't "feel" like a season ender
>to me. Slightly dissatisfying -
I think you may have been victimized by CTV's policy of not showing
teasers for next week's episode of their series. I.e., I presume you
didn't see the big promo for next week's TWW season finale.
BTW, any idea *why* CTV doesn't show the teasers?
Patty
userb3
>Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>- I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
>commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
>"firsts"? I don't get it.
They had to find a way to justify the tremendous royalties they're
paying for Enya's song. Who the hell ever decided Friends should be a
touching drama, anyhow? What's wrong with comedy?
>- Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that actually
>a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I don't know if it'll
>make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that one. It really is that
>cold, and they really don't have Mount Rushmore.
Coke tried to change, too, and look where it got them.
>- I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
>Antivirus installed?
They do, but nobody ever bothered to update the virus definitions file.
>- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
>her gravestone, with Charlie in the background. The president walked to the
>car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much immediately. I didn't see
>Charlie walking with them. What, did he ride back in a different car, or did
>they leave him there? That's not very nice.
the oldest trick in the book. They do that to all the personal aides.
>- TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
>moment was coming. It made me nervous, though -- I kept thinking that
>Special Agent Donovan surely wasn't scanning the perimeter while he was
>leaning in for the kiss.
If he was, he'd have noticed his co-workers all watching and takling
notes for the report to the boss.
btw - did he ever re-load?
>- Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
>surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
Yes and no. Josh had it coming, but there was no reason for it to be
quite as harsh or as public as it was, given Bartlett's past tolerance.
--
userb3
Is The Farm Program Worth It?
http://www.ces.uga.edu/Agriculture/agecon/issues/Ei03-03.htm
Toniann Scime
> I like C.J., but honestly, how could she be so incredulous
> that the Secret Service has a an actual firing range in
> their building? Or a gym. I mean like, doh!
Though I liked the moment it provided for Donovan to point out to her, "We
run alongside cars", or something to that affect, pointing out her
dippiness. And I love CJ, but she was being a little clueless. Purposely?
Hmmmm.
> Also, the lead up to a kind of romantic thing on the street
> with the Agent ... I could see that coming, but holy cow ...
> I couldn't believe he'd allow himself to come that close to
> getting into a clinch with C.J. whose life he's guarding ...
> on a main street of what looks like a downtown street ... a
> day or so (?) after knowing he missed identifying/seeing the
> stalker in a department store. You'd think that after that
> little episode, he'd be on extra-tuned-in alert, and not
> allow *anything* to divert him. I mean, what would have
> happened if he and C.J. had been kissing -- and she'd taken
> a bullet to the brain?
Yes, that bothered me in that scene. I confess that they handled this better
in that atrocious "The Bodyguard" movie with Whitney Houston and Kevin
Costner, and that's not saying much. His character was much more alert while
actually doing his job.
> Good notes on your part, Toniann ... your random thoughts
> are the first thing I read in this group, the day after an episode!
Ah, thank you! The best part for me is reading all of the interesting things
you folks have to say in response.
Toniann
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 12:25 PM Central Daylight Time
>Yes and no. Josh had it coming, but there was no reason for it to be
>quite as harsh or as public as it was, given Bartlett's past tolerance.
Bartlet's semi-public and incendiary outburst did seem out of character. And
yet, what did Josh's action do? Amy's forces apparently persuaded maybe a dozen
or more Democratic congress men and women to change their vote at the last
minute. The WW's welfare reform act must have been a long-time coming, like the
real-life version. Bartlet and the rest of the gang must have made compromises
and agreements up the whazoo to make it happen.
Now the Bartlet administration has to go make deals with the greater devil, the
GOPers. Oh frabjous day...
Also, Josh is in the public eye enough for people to put two-and-two together:
Bartlet has a man on his staff who's inept. I wouldn't trust Josh with *any*
security clearance. He inspires zero confidence at this point.
Given this, a semi-public dressing down didn't seem so out of line to me.
Poor Josh looked crushed. He's lucky he still has a job.
raven
Patty Winter <pat...@wintertime.com> wrote in message
news:ac0pqf$9pi$1...@newbolt.sonic.net...
I e-mailed them and asked the same question. They told me it's because they
don't receive them in time. What's the NBC teaser for next week, my
southern friends? Nobody seems to want to be a spoil sport for me and
e-mail them to me :-(
--
Lesley
"...and in my case the pay has been good."
Stephen King
Dynyse Wrobist
I'm hearing *rumors* that the "first" will be Rachel's death. Apparently,
she'll hemorrhage and will die. This
is also in keeping with what NBC has been saying in
their promos about "A surprise ending no one could
see coming" and "A first".
Bleh.
Anyway...
> - You know, just a short time ago CJ was talking about how we shouldn't be
> so chummy with Qumar. Her reasons were different, but -- well, it just
turns
> out she was kind of right, doesn't it?
Claudia Jane Cregg??? RIGHT??? Oh my! Well, whodathunkit? </sarcasm>
Sorry. I'm all about CJ. She's my woman... second only to Sydney Bristow.
> Must have changed it in post-production or something.
I always *wondered* about that. I could never understand how things got
so messed up with the captioning... because I'm willing to bet it's not some
captioner who just doesn't know.
> - Speaking of Donna, she did do a good job in North Dakota. Is that
actually
> a thing? The idea of dropping the "North"? Huh. Well, I don't know if
it'll
> make a big difference; I guess I'm with Donna on that one. It really is
that
> cold, and they really don't have Mount Rushmore.
LOL. I thought this was the most hillarious thing in the whole episode. All
they'd accomplish by dropping the "north" is making their state sound like
it's named after an SUV.
> - I gather CJ and the entire White House server doesn't have Norton
> Antivirus installed?
And assasins have hacker friends. lol
Suspending belief here for a second, it's possible that a trojan was created
specifically for CJ, in which case the .dat files for Norton wouldn't detect
it. [I think.]
> That's not very nice.
Charlie had to stop off to get some ice cream.
> - TWW Does The Bodyguard: well, I kind of figured some kind of romantic
> moment was coming. It made me nervous, though -- I kept thinking that
> Special Agent Donovan surely wasn't scanning the perimeter while he was
> leaning in for the kiss. Be careful with my CJ, there. As a side note,
> though, I really liked her "nice thing" that she said to him at the firing
> range. As a tall woman, I'm forced to admit that it does make you feel
more
> feminine.
Ohh buh-swoooon. I'm *so* loving this pairing and totally think CJ
could get all triangly-tingly with bodyguard dude and super reporter.
> - Well. Bartlet really let Josh have it, and that scene caught me by
> surprise. I don't know, sports fans, was it warranted?
Yes and no. Josh was a BAD boy. BAD!!! [slap Josh on the nose
with a newspaper.] I think we were seeing Bartlett's frustration over
his inability to do anything in regard to that twerp who wanted to blow
up the bridge.
> - Last but not least, I know we've talked about this here before, but the
> Oval Office has, I swear, the loudest ticking clock on the planet.
> Intentional?
I thought it was a metaphor... thinking that we're supposed to be seeing
the President as a ticking time-bomb. Maybe that's my twisted take. ;)
Patrick Lyons
> "Toniann" <hir...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:UGEE8.1371$HE2.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> > Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> > - Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham, at
> > her gravestone,
>
> And I want to know how Landingham got burried at Arlington???
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Patrick
Orbert69
> "Toniann" <hir...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:UGEE8.1371$HE2.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
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>
> > "Have you changed shampoo?"
>
> Best line of the night. Those two do that serious stare thing so well
> too.
That, and Leo talking about Sam messing up, but doing it full speed
ahead, leaving a "Sam-shaped hole in the wall" - grinning just a bit
as he says it. We don't see Leo smile enough. The combination of the
cartoon imagery and the fact that it was the always-serious Leo
delivering the line: priceless.
Orbert
Steve Bartman
wrote:
As far as I know, Nimitz wasn't bothered a bit about the
>morality of going after an individual.
And he shouldn't have been. Yamamoto was a uniformed combatant in a
declared war. There is absolutely no problem killing him by any means
necessary so long as he wasn't a POW at the time. All armies,
including ours, employ snipers. They generally target officers first,
the more senior the better. No difference.
Steve
--
Author of "The PaxAm Solution"
E-book version now available at:
http://riverdaleebooks.com/index.html
Steve Bartman
wrote:
>My parents are buried in a small veteran's cemetery and they don't have
>headstones -- just a small plaque in the ground.
That's acceptable so long as they're all the same. I've been to
Arlington many times and those looked like Arlington headstones, in
addition to the general rolling nature of the land. I wonder what sort
of CGI magic was needed to impose her name over a real headstone? It's
possible it was only in a tight shot I guess; don't recall, but I
doubt they built a whole cemetery just for that scene.
ing
>
> In article <3CE3E29A...@sympatico.ca>,
> ing <ing.b...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >I dunno, somehow, this ep didn't "feel" like a season ender
> >to me. Slightly dissatisfying -
>
> I think you may have been victimized by CTV's policy of not showing
> teasers for next week's episode of their series. I.e., I presume you
> didn't see the big promo for next week's TWW season finale.
No -- darn it ... I didn't!
You mean that show WASN'T the finale?! Well, holy smoke
.... no wonder I felt a bit let down at the end! All this
time, I was thinking that that show was it till next season.
Thanks for telling me, Patty - I feel much better now!
And yeah, CTV has this policy of NEVER showing teasers for
the next week's show. At least I haven't seen ANY this
season at all. Sometimes there's an announcement, saying
"Next Week on West Wing...." ... then they just cut to
commercial and when it returns, the credits are rolling.
Annoying as hell, it is.
>
> BTW, any idea *why* CTV doesn't show the teasers?
I got no idea why that is ... but it stinks big time. We get
gypped having to watch CTV.
ing
ing
>
> "ing" <ing.b...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> > I like C.J., but honestly, how could she be so incredulous
> > that the Secret Service has a an actual firing range in
> > their building? Or a gym. I mean like, doh!
>
> Though I liked the moment it provided for Donovan to point out to her, "We
> run alongside cars", or something to that affect, pointing out her
> dippiness.
Yeah, that was a good line.
> And I love CJ, but she was being a little clueless. Purposely?
> Hmmmm.
Oh lord, please tell me she wasn't playing "cutesy little
dumb girl" to build up the ego of the big smart agent ...
PLEASE tell me C.J. wouldn't stoop THAT low. Now you got me
wondering ..... crushes *DO* do funny things to us wimmin,
sometimes.
>
> > Also, the lead up to a kind of romantic thing on the street
> > with the Agent ... I could see that coming, but holy cow ...
> > I couldn't believe he'd allow himself to come that close to
> > getting into a clinch with C.J. whose life he's guarding ...
> > on a main street of what looks like a downtown street ... a
> > day or so (?) after knowing he missed identifying/seeing the
> > stalker in a department store. You'd think that after that
> > little episode, he'd be on extra-tuned-in alert, and not
> > allow *anything* to divert him. I mean, what would have
> > happened if he and C.J. had been kissing -- and she'd taken
> > a bullet to the brain?
>
> Yes, that bothered me in that scene. I confess that they handled this better
> in that atrocious "The Bodyguard" movie with Whitney Houston and Kevin
> Costner, and that's not saying much. His character was much more alert while
> actually doing his job.
Never saw that "Bodyguard" film ... but yeah, it's been
seeming to me that C.J.'s agent is looking a bit lax on the
job. Hope that's not a omen of things to come.
>
> > Good notes on your part, Toniann ... your random thoughts
> > are the first thing I read in this group, the day after an episode!
>
> Ah, thank you!
Well, you're welcome -- am just pleased as punch to see here
that last night's ep *wasn't* the finale and that I got the
wrong info handed to me .... will be taping next week for sure!
ing
userb3
>I'd also let the writers have it: Amy's dialogue is terribly clever, delivered
>with style, and is even often persuasive. But she doesn't know enough to employ
>stealth to get what she wants?
An excellent point. Seems like she would have developed a sudden need
to run to her place, so that she wasn't alerting the administration to
the fact she was launching a major offensive.
Of course, if Josh would do his thinking with the big head, this would
be a moot point.
>So she's in a rush to circle the wagons, but dropping Josh's cell into the
>stew? Then cutting his phone line? I thought, "'Fatal Attraction's' Alex has
>risen from the dead."
>I would have stolen her cell phone then and there.
>I guess she *really* doesn't want to be boyfriend/girlfriend with Josh "Boxer
>Shorts" Lyman. Yet if she had the brains the writers pretend she has, she'd
>keep her mouth shut, enjoy the sex and not being called a lesbo, and steal as
>much information as possible for her own organization's not entirely admirable
>goals.
Suddenly I detect an agenda - do you have a problem with women's
groups, lesbians, or other independent women?
Toniann Scime
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 02:19:32 GMT, Toniann wrote:
>
> >Random Thoughts on "We Killed Yamamoto"
> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >
> >- I apologize for beginning with Something Completely Off-Topic, but that
> >commercial for the "Friends" season finale is bugging me. The one about
> >"firsts"? I don't get it.
>
> They had to find a way to justify the tremendous royalties they're
> paying for Enya's song. Who the hell ever decided Friends should be a
> touching drama, anyhow? What's wrong with comedy?
Beats the heck out of me. In the movies, comedy doesn't tend to win you
Academy awards, but that's not how the Emmys work anyhow.
> >- Okay, so, at the cemetery, we see Bartlet talking to Mrs. Landingham,
> >at her gravestone, with Charlie in the background. The president
> > walked to the car with Leo and got in, and they left pretty much
> > immediately. I didn't see Charlie walking with them. What, did
> >he ride back in a different car, or did
> >they leave him there? That's not very nice.
>
> the oldest trick in the book. They do that to all the personal aides.
Doh!
Toniann
Toniann Scime
"Dynyse Wrobist" <spy...@livin-it-up.net> wrote
in message news:ac0rk2$lr2op$1...@ID-145380.news.dfncis.de...
> Re: Friends...
>
> I'm hearing *rumors* that the "first" will be Rachel's death. Apparently,
> she'll hemorrhage and will die. This
> is also in keeping with what NBC has been saying in
> their promos about "A surprise ending no one could
> see coming" and "A first".
>
> Bleh.
I've heard (and as always, it's all speculation, I guess) that this was a
false rumor. Especially since Jennifer Aniston is signed on for next year,
it doesn't seem likely. So don't worry too much.
> > - Last but not least, I know we've talked about this here before, but
the
> > Oval Office has, I swear, the loudest ticking clock on the planet.
> > Intentional?
>
> I thought it was a metaphor... thinking that we're supposed to be seeing
> the President as a ticking time-bomb. Maybe that's my twisted take. ;)
No, I hear you, but they do it all the time, whenever they're in the Oval
Office and it's fairly quiet, you can hear the darn thing ticking away. If
that's not intentional, somebody turn the volume down on that sucker. If it
is intentional, I think we all get it by now. <g> That's all I'm saying.
Toniann
JLplsSS
>>Antivirus installed?
>
>amy
Norton and all other anti-virus software can only search for and destroy known
viruses. If the sender is skilled enough to develop his own "trojan horse",
then he can circumvent the best AV software around.
Donna
My opinions might have changed, but not the fact that I am right.
Toniann Scime
> Toniann wrote:
> >
> > "ing" <ing.b...@sympatico.ca> wrote
> > And I love CJ, but she was being a little clueless. Purposely?
> > Hmmmm.
>
> Oh lord, please tell me she wasn't playing "cutesy little
> dumb girl" to build up the ego of the big smart agent ...
> PLEASE tell me C.J. wouldn't stoop THAT low. Now you got me
> wondering ..... crushes *DO* do funny things to us wimmin,
> sometimes.
That's the thing, I know -- they do. So I'm wondering. Well, we could cut
her some slack, I guess, and say that she was just pulling his leg or
something, for the same effect. Or maybe sort of a
nervous-making-conversation thing.
Toniann
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 2:40 PM Central Daylight Time
>On 16 May 2002 02:50:52 GMT, Oak 1900 wrote:
>>Then cutting his phone line? I thought, "'Fatal Attraction's' Alex has
>>risen from the dead."
>
>I would have stolen her cell phone then and there.
Heh.
>>Yet if she had the brains the writers pretend she has, she'd
>>keep her mouth shut, enjoy the sex and not being called a lesbo, and steal
>as
>>much information as possible for her own organization's not entirely
>admirable
>>goals.
>
>Suddenly I detect an agenda - do you have a problem with women's
>groups, lesbians, or other independent women?
I applaud intelligent feminists, think both NOW has done mostly good work and
some shameful work, think the Independent Women's Forum has done mostly poor
work but some good work, and don't categorize lesbians per se as "good" or
"bad" but just people. You're right that a real feminist (and real man and real
woman) doesn't care *what* anyone thinks of their sexual preferences. make good
points.
Amy is no longer in the category of "intelligent feminist" at this point. I am
unhappy Sorkin is dumping on the movement as a whole using her as proxy.
But is Amy realistic as a feminist? I guess plenty would say yes. I happen to
think not.
Is she realistic as a political lobbyist on the West Wing? Maybe, given some of
the other unscrupulous politics portrayed.
Dave82881
>keep her mouth shut, enjoy the sex and not being called a lesbo, and steal as
>much information as possible for her own organization's not entirely
>admirable
>goals.
That was a lot of misogynistic hate to cram into one sentence, don't you think?
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't assume Amy to be a homosexual just
because of her affiliation with a women's group.
Dave
userb3
On 16 May 2002 20:29:16 GMT, Oak 1900 wrote:
>>>Yet if she had the brains the writers pretend she has, she'd
>>>keep her mouth shut, enjoy the sex and not being called a lesbo, and steal
>>as
>>>much information as possible for her own organization's not entirely
>>admirable
>>>goals.
>>
>>Suddenly I detect an agenda - do you have a problem with women's
>>groups, lesbians, or other independent women?
>
>I applaud intelligent feminists, think both NOW has done mostly good work and
>some shameful work, think the Independent Women's Forum has done mostly poor
>work but some good work, and don't categorize lesbians per se as "good" or
>"bad" but just people. You're right that a real feminist (and real man and real
>woman) doesn't care *what* anyone thinks of their sexual preferences. make good
>points.
>
>Amy is no longer in the category of "intelligent feminist" at this point. I am
>unhappy Sorkin is dumping on the movement as a whole using her as proxy.
>
>But is Amy realistic as a feminist? I guess plenty would say yes. I happen to
>think not.
>
>Is she realistic as a political lobbyist on the West Wing? Maybe, given some of
>the other unscrupulous politics portrayed.
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 3:49 PM Central Daylight Time
Oak
>>Yet if she had the brains the writers pretend she has, she'd
>>keep her mouth shut, enjoy the sex and not being called a lesbo, and steal
>as
>>much information as possible for her own organization's not entirely
>>admirable
>>goals.
>
>That was a lot of misogynistic hate to cram into one sentence, don't you
>think?
Perhaps I should clarify that the goals which I think are not entirely
admirable are foiling the administration's efforts to get this specific
legislation passed that will do more good for women and thus all than bad.
Amy had quite a little speech about how, if Bartlet is re-elected because he
compromises on some women's issues, then there's no point in having a Democrat
in office in the first place.
I happen to agree with Josh on this one. IIRC, he made the lesser of two evils
argument.
My bigger point is they are making Amy the feminist out to be stupid. I do not
feel feminists are categorically stupid. I applaud the movement (but not all
feminists) and am a part of it.
I'm don't understand why you think my statement above is misogynist. Can you
explain? I think my statement is Amy hating rather than women-hating.
> I don't know about you, but I wouldn't assume Amy to be a homosexual just
>because of her affiliation with a women's group.
I don't. Others, especially on the Right, do.
But your point is well-taken. The lesbo remark is over the top.
userb3
>Does anyone want to play "guess the stalker"? My feeling is, it's got to be
>a character that's already appeared on the show, or there won't be any
>emotional pay of for it.
Nah - it'll be a new character, someone we won't mind seeing
shot/arrested/molested by spider monkeys/eaten by a radioactive
tarantula.
userb3
>>As soon as you said, "guess the salker", I thought of her, too.
>
>Maybe Mandy?
She came and she gave without taking.
Daniel Seriff
(in message <20020516105406...@mb-fm.aol.com>):
> I heard the other day that Jazz will be the classical music of our
> generation.
In truth, though, it is actually classical music that will be the classical
music of our generation. Jazz will be the jazz of our generation. This kind
of statement (that jazz will be the classical music of our generation), seems
to completely ignore the fact that classical music hasn't gone away, and will
likely never go away (not if I have anything to say about it, at any rate).
As a classical musician myself, it seems to be a rather empty and
meaningless, if not asinine, thing to say.
> Isn't the continual creation of new genres of music--new patois--a good
> thing?
The continual creation of new genres of music is a myth. We continually
create *names* for new genres of music, but that's quite another thing.
--
Daniel Seriff
La musique est un langage qui se signifie soi-même.
- Jean-Jacques Nattiez
Daniel Seriff
(in message <44g7eus07bdgc1i6o...@4ax.com>):
> I forgot whether it was Letterman or Leno, but a while back they went
> on the street and asked who the VPOTUS was, and although of course it
> was not a scientific sampling, I was amazed there were people who did
> not know.
I still haven't decided whether or not Jaywalking pisses me off. On the one
hand, it makes me feel very intelligent. On the other hand, it seems to me to
be a viciously cynical denouncement of the American intellectual climate.
I find it funny, most of the time, to see American college students (among
others) be so shamelessly moronic, but in the end it just diminishes my hope
and respect for humanity.
Daniel Seriff
(in message <abvd3...@enews1.newsguy.com>):
> Why invent the wheel, when existing technology can accomplish the same
> task...?
Your government at work. Why use existing technology when you can blow a
bunch of money on something that no one will ever use?
--
Daniel Seriff
Bears are crazy. They'll bite your head if you're wearing steak on it.
- SG
doc
wrote:
>On Thu, 16 May 2002 9:27:40 -0500, Econman wrote
>(in message <44g7eus07bdgc1i6o...@4ax.com>):
>
>> I forgot whether it was Letterman or Leno, but a while back they went
>> on the street and asked who the VPOTUS was, and although of course it
>> was not a scientific sampling, I was amazed there were people who did
>> not know.
>
>I still haven't decided whether or not Jaywalking pisses me off. On the one
>hand, it makes me feel very intelligent. On the other hand, it seems to me to
>be a viciously cynical denouncement of the American intellectual climate.
>
>I find it funny, most of the time, to see American college students (among
>others) be so shamelessly moronic, but in the end it just diminishes my hope
>and respect for humanity.
>
Alas, I find Jay Leno's particular style of "humor" to be patronizing
and mean-spirited. But the Jaywalking segments do highlight some
deficiencies in common knowledge of the upcoming generation. It might
be attributed to the great choice available to them. Sixty years ago,
all young people listened to the same three radio networks and read
the same news magazines. Today, a young person can spend his
formative years tuned into MTV or any one of a hundred cable or DBS
channels where current events are seldom discussed. Of course, he
could listen to Fox news and MSNBC and the net result might be the
same. LOL.
Daniel Seriff
(in message <270087be.0205...@posting.google.com>):
> Michael Halbrook <mdhal...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<Xns920FE51F17C29m...@207.149.238.154>...
>> "Toniann" <hir...@earthlink.net> wrote in
>> news:UGEE8.1371$HE2.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
>>
>>> "Have you changed shampoo?"
>>
>> Best line of the night. Those two do that serious stare thing so well
>> too.
That whole scene was amazing. Beautiful camera-work, getting in the both of
them staring at each other across the table.
> That, and Leo talking about Sam messing up, but doing it full speed
> ahead, leaving a "Sam-shaped hole in the wall" - grinning just a bit
> as he says it. We don't see Leo smile enough. The combination of the
> cartoon imagery and the fact that it was the always-serious Leo
> delivering the line: priceless.
I'll submit a third great line from last night:
When CJ and Simon were on the shooting range, just after he sent 5 bullets
into 3 holes, CJ says "how do you shoot like that?".
Simon replies, in a most droll tone of voice, "they give us lessons". I
nearly fell off the couch laughing.
--
Daniel Seriff
I never worry that all hell will break loose. My concern is that only part of
hell will break loose and be much harder to detect.
-Carlin
Jerri
> I forgot whether it was Letterman or Leno, but
> a while back they went on the street and asked
> who the VPOTUS was, and although of course it
> was not a scientific sampling, I was amazed there
> were people who did not know.
Do you *honestly* believe they show the people who know the answers and
don't make fools of themselves? They're out for laughs ... of course,
they're going to show the idiots.
Jerri
Jennyfer
"Sandy McDermin" <smcd...@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3CE39A72...@erols.com...
> Dana Akanova wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 15 May 2002 23:37:39 -0500, "Jennyfer"
> > >However, there may be an issue of graphite fragments in the ventilation
> > >system... space is essentially a 'clean' room.
> >
> > Humans shed much more of their skin particles than there is graphite
> > from a couple of pencils
> >
> > Yeah, how _did_ Mrs. Landinham get to be buried there?
>
> Her husband was probably buried there.
>
Then she would have been burried on top of him, and her name would have been
on the back of his tombstone... however, her name was on the front, because
she had full ID...
Jenns
> Sandy
Jennyfer
"Jerri" <jerla...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:85OE8.1583$Vq6.1...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
> Jennyfer" <Jenny...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > And I want to know how Landingham got burried
> > at Arlington???
>
> Jerri
>
No she wasn't.
If she had been, then just her name would have been on the BACK of the
headstone. (his full ID would be on the front)... Since her full ID was on
the stone, we can assume she was the primary.
Jenns
>
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 4:07 PM Central Daylight Time
>Oak 1900 wrote
>(in message <20020516105406...@mb-fm.aol.com>):
>
>> I heard the other day that Jazz will be the classical music of our
>> generation.
>
>In truth, though, it is actually classical music that will be the classical
>music of our generation. Jazz will be the jazz of our generation. This kind
>of statement (that jazz will be the classical music of our generation), seems
>
>to completely ignore the fact that classical music hasn't gone away, and will
>
>likely never go away (not if I have anything to say about it, at any rate).
Well I think you're taking the comment a bit too seriously. The speaker's point
was that he felt Jazz is as important as classical music and will not fade
away.
>As a classical musician myself, it seems to be a rather empty and
>meaningless, if not asinine, thing to say.
The gentleman, a PhD in music or another of the fine arts, stated this at a
meeting of the Board of Directors of a not-for-profit concert hall. I felt it
had a fair amount of punch for fund-raising rhetoric.
>> Isn't the continual creation of new genres of music--new patois--a good
>> thing?
>
>The continual creation of new genres of music is a myth. We continually
>create *names* for new genres of music, but that's quite another thing.
Would you prefer we not distinguish between Haydn and Gershwin?
Do you protest naming certain periods of history, too?
BTW, by "continual," I don't mean "daily." I mean "generational."
Oak 1900
Date: 5/16/2002 3:53 PM Central Daylight Time
>Sp why th ecomment about being called a "lesbo"?
Because I have known feminists eager to make it clear they are not lesbians.
My statement was supposed to be an attack on the attitude of these feminists. I
agree it was poorly conveyed.
Many years ago on "L.A. Law," Douglas Brackman was called to testify about an
incident at a gay bar. The cross-examining attorney asked Brackman if he
himself was gay. Brackman testified something like, 'my sexuality is nobody's
business.' He could as readily have said, 'no, I'm a heterosexual,' avoiding
future slurs and speculation. (Ample evidence on the series indicates his
character was heterosexual.) His response was the more courageous and a credit
to society. More people should adopt it (except maybe when a dating situation
arises and people want to know whether they're barking up the wrong tree).
SeaShel
KEY CHANGE
Oh Mandy!
KEY CHANGE
repeat until completely circled around to original key...
SeaShel
"userb3" <use...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Daniel Seriff
(in message <7CVE8.3038$HE2.2...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>):
Of course. That just strikes me as scandalously cynical.