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Mike Walters

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Jun 28, 2004, 3:28:43 PM6/28/04
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Possible spoilers...
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As you may have heard, Elisabeth Rohm will be leaving Law & Order next
season. So, L&O is going to need a new ADA. Lara Flynn Boyle is one of
those mentioned as a possible replacement for Rohm.
(http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/040625a.asp) In fact, there were
rumors about LFB replacing Rohm about a year ago. Personally, I'd love
to see them take the character of Helen Gamble and transplant her into
L&O. They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.
And don't you think Helen would fit perfectly into the role?

I don't think this scenario is very likely though. Even if Dick Wolf
and David E. Kelly agreed, there would probably be a whole bunch of
legal issues involving copyrights and such. So, if LFB does come in
(which also seems unlikely), they'll probably create a new character for
her who just happens to be a lot like Helen Gamble.

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Dawnie

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Jun 28, 2004, 4:30:40 PM6/28/04
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On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 14:28:43 -0500, Mike Walters
<wal...@wisp.physics.YOURwisc.eduPANTS> wrote:

>Possible spoilers...
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>As you may have heard, Elisabeth Rohm will be leaving Law & Order next
>season. So, L&O is going to need a new ADA. Lara Flynn Boyle is one of
>those mentioned as a possible replacement for Rohm.
>(http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/040625a.asp) In fact, there were
>rumors about LFB replacing Rohm about a year ago. Personally, I'd love
>to see them take the character of Helen Gamble and transplant her into
>L&O. They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.
>And don't you think Helen would fit perfectly into the role?

OMG, I'm going to hate her more than I do Rohm.

Chris Crandall

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Jun 28, 2004, 5:25:48 PM6/28/04
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: >As you may have heard, Elisabeth Rohm will be leaving Law & Order next
: >season. So, L&O is going to need a new ADA. Lara Flynn Boyle is one of
: >those mentioned as a possible replacement for Rohm.

Ack, no. Such a posting is not possible for a L&O fan. I have always
liked LFB, since Twin Peaks, but she is so wrong for this part.


: They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.

Umm, no? Ellenor Frutt has never appeared on L&O. Camryn Manheim, of
course, has--two or three times, as different characters.

Connemara

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Jun 28, 2004, 5:34:56 PM6/28/04
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"Chris Crandall" <cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu> wrote in message
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> : >As you may have heard, Elisabeth Rohm will be leaving Law & Order next
> : >season. So, L&O is going to need a new ADA. Lara Flynn Boyle is one
of
> : >those mentioned as a possible replacement for Rohm.
>
> Ack, no. Such a posting is not possible for a L&O fan. I have always
> liked LFB, since Twin Peaks, but she is so wrong for this part.

Actually, I like Lara Flynn Boyle, but if they brought the Helen Gamble
character it would not be appropriate. Gamble has been an ADA for the past
9 or so seasons on "The Practice" and is ready to move up and on and would
never move from Boston to New York just to be an ADA.

> : They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.
>
> Umm, no? Ellenor Frutt has never appeared on L&O. Camryn Manheim, of
> course, has--two or three times, as different characters.


But somewhere it is listed that she appeared as Eleanor Frutt on L&O so the
rumor remains. In fact, I think it is at IMDB -- or maybe at an L&O site.
It is funny that it remains no many how many times people have debunked it!
Michelle

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Mike Walters

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Jun 28, 2004, 6:22:43 PM6/28/04
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Connemara wrote:
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> Actually, I like Lara Flynn Boyle, but if they brought the Helen Gamble
> character it would not be appropriate. Gamble has been an ADA for the past
> 9 or so seasons on "The Practice" and is ready to move up and on and would
> never move from Boston to New York just to be an ADA.

Considering how many cases she lost, she would be lucky to have a job at
all.

Anyway, it was just a thought. I don't think there is any chance that
it will actually happen.

>
>>: They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.
>>
>>Umm, no? Ellenor Frutt has never appeared on L&O. Camryn Manheim, of
>>course, has--two or three times, as different characters.
>
> But somewhere it is listed that she appeared as Eleanor Frutt on L&O so the
> rumor remains. In fact, I think it is at IMDB -- or maybe at an L&O site.
> It is funny that it remains no many how many times people have debunked it!
> Michelle

Here is one of the listings:

http://www.tvtome.com/LawandOrderSVU/season1.html

She may or may not have appeared in the Law & Order: SVU episode "Bad
Blood," airing January 14, 2000. This listing does mention that there
is conflicting information as to whether or not she actually appeared.
At some point, TV Guide reported that she was in the episode. The
cover of the box set of DVDs actually promotes her appearance as a guest
star! Maybe she was in the original airing, but her scene was cut for
syndication. (Anyone have a tape of the original airing?) Or maybe the
scene was filmed but not used.

Mike Walters

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Jun 28, 2004, 7:35:06 PM6/28/04
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Walt wrote:

> I can't see Lara Flynn Boyle doing it because she is from my understanding
> still with Jack Nicholson, unless he wanted to move to New York.

No, they split up a long time ago. However, you're probably right about
LFB not wanting to move. She just did an interview where she was saying
how much she loved her new house in Bel Air and that she planned to live
there for the rest of her life.

D.F. Manno

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Jun 28, 2004, 8:34:55 PM6/28/04
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In article <cbprha$g8j$1...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
Mike Walters <wal...@wisp.physics.YOURwisc.eduPANTS> wrote:

> As you may have heard, Elisabeth Rohm will be leaving Law & Order next
> season. So, L&O is going to need a new ADA. Lara Flynn Boyle is one of
> those mentioned as a possible replacement for Rohm.
> (http://www.tvguide.com/news/insider/040625a.asp) In fact, there were
> rumors about LFB replacing Rohm about a year ago. Personally, I'd love
> to see them take the character of Helen Gamble and transplant her into
> L&O. They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.
> And don't you think Helen would fit perfectly into the role?

No, no, a thousand times no. If she were to appear on the show she'd be
a major distraction from the storyline. I'd be thinking someone should
tie her down and force-feed her. If Boyle isn't anorexic I'll eat my hat.
--
D.F. Manno
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." (Benjamin Franklin)

Chris Crandall

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Jun 29, 2004, 3:27:48 PM6/29/04
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D.F. Manno (domm...@netscape.net) wrote:
: No, no, a thousand times no. If she were to appear on the show she'd be
: a major distraction from the storyline. I'd be thinking someone should
: tie her down and force-feed her. If Boyle isn't anorexic I'll eat my hat.

Serve up your hat. She's just skinny.

D.F. Manno

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Jun 29, 2004, 4:30:04 PM6/29/04
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In article <cbsfrk$4n$2...@news.cc.ukans.edu>,
cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote:

No, she isn't. I've spent a lot of time around anorexics. She shows all
the signs.

Connemara

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Jun 29, 2004, 4:57:16 PM6/29/04
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"D.F. Manno" <domm...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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> In article <cbsfrk$4n$2...@news.cc.ukans.edu>,
> cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote:
>
> > D.F. Manno (domm...@netscape.net) wrote:
> > : No, no, a thousand times no. If she were to appear on the show she'd
be
> > : a major distraction from the storyline. I'd be thinking someone should
> > : tie her down and force-feed her. If Boyle isn't anorexic I'll eat my
hat.
> >
> > Serve up your hat. She's just skinny.
>
> No, she isn't. I've spent a lot of time around anorexics. She shows all
> the signs.

She does exhibit a lot of the signs of being anorexic and has throughout her
years on "The Practice." She is more than just skinny; she looks emaciated
quite often. She has hollow eyes. She does not appear to have eaten in
days. If she is not actively anorexic now, she has been severely anorexic
in the past and still has a poor self image and does not want to gain
weight, so while she may not be purging, she is not allowing herself to gain
to a healthy weight for her height.

Michelle


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Dawnie

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Jun 29, 2004, 5:07:08 PM6/29/04
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On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 20:57:16 GMT, "Connemara"
<justice_...@spam.medscape.com> wrote:

>She does exhibit a lot of the signs of being anorexic and has throughout her
>years on "The Practice." She is more than just skinny; she looks emaciated
>quite often. She has hollow eyes.

But full pouty lips. What's up with that?

Rick and Sue Deschene

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Jun 29, 2004, 11:45:20 PM6/29/04
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Dawnie <daw...@boosters.net> wrote in message news:<gcm3e0dfmmckpkitk...@4ax.com>...

My guess: collagen injections.

Sue

Rick and Sue Deschene

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Jun 29, 2004, 11:56:08 PM6/29/04
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"Connemara" <justice_...@spam.medscape.com> wrote in message news:<LIkEc.9364$Pt....@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>...

> "D.F. Manno" <domm...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:dommanno-FA99F2...@corp-radius.supernews.com...
> > In article <cbsfrk$4n$2...@news.cc.ukans.edu>,
> > cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote:
> >
> > > D.F. Manno (domm...@netscape.net) wrote:
> > > : No, no, a thousand times no. If she were to appear on the show she'd
> be
> > > : a major distraction from the storyline. I'd be thinking someone should
> > > : tie her down and force-feed her. If Boyle isn't anorexic I'll eat my
> hat.
> > >
> > > Serve up your hat. She's just skinny.
> >
> > No, she isn't. I've spent a lot of time around anorexics. She shows all
> > the signs.
>
> She does exhibit a lot of the signs of being anorexic and has throughout her
> years on "The Practice." She is more than just skinny; she looks emaciated
> quite often. She has hollow eyes. She does not appear to have eaten in
> days. If she is not actively anorexic now, she has been severely anorexic
> in the past and still has a poor self image and does not want to gain
> weight, so while she may not be purging, she is not allowing herself to gain
> to a healthy weight for her height.
>
> Michelle

I wasn't a fan of "The Practice" and so never watched it much. But the
few times I tuned in and saw her, my immediate impression was that
she's anorexic. There's thin, and then there's emaciated. She's the
latter.

Boyle is mentioned in this article:

Why do we binge on the misery of hunger?
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20040626/CROSBIE26/TPEntertainment/Columnists

Sue

Chris Crandall

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Jun 30, 2004, 11:33:50 AM6/30/04
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Connemara (justice_...@spam.medscape.com) wrote:
: She does exhibit a lot of the signs of being anorexic and has throughout her

: years on "The Practice." She is more than just skinny; she looks emaciated
: quite often. She has hollow eyes. She does not appear to have eaten in
: days. If she is not actively anorexic now, she has been severely anorexic
: in the past and still has a poor self image and does not want to gain
: weight, so while she may not be purging, she is not allowing herself to gain
: to a healthy weight for her height.


This is diagnosis at a distance. Freud did it too, much to his shame.

She does not fit a wide range of anorectic-typical symptoms. She is
highly functioning. She has had a long-term [presumably sexual]
relationship with a mature [maybe overly mature, but that's just a value
judgment] man. She is older than the typical anorexic. She does not
report a wide range of health problems (she shows up to work, and there is
little-to-no Hollywood scuttlebutt about health problems). In public
interviews, she does show signs of pathology.


Face, these diagnoses are based on looks, not on the specific symptoms
associated with anorexia.

She's very skinny. Maybe she like it that way. Maybe she'd be healthier
if she ate more. But put the pop-diagnoses in your collective pockets,
folks. It's a poor fit.

Mike Walters

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Jun 30, 2004, 1:12:51 PM6/30/04
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Chris Crandall wrote:
>
> This is diagnosis at a distance. Freud did it too, much to his shame.
>
> She does not fit a wide range of anorectic-typical symptoms. She is
> highly functioning. She has had a long-term [presumably sexual]
> relationship with a mature [maybe overly mature, but that's just a value
> judgment] man. She is older than the typical anorexic. She does not
> report a wide range of health problems (she shows up to work, and there is
> little-to-no Hollywood scuttlebutt about health problems). In public
> interviews, she does show signs of pathology.
>
>
> Face, these diagnoses are based on looks, not on the specific symptoms
> associated with anorexia.
>
> She's very skinny. Maybe she like it that way. Maybe she'd be healthier
> if she ate more. But put the pop-diagnoses in your collective pockets,
> folks. It's a poor fit.


Amen! I'm sick of hearing people bash LFB about her weight and say that
she MUST be anorexic. Unless you're her personal physician, you don't
really know. There are other medical conditions that could cause one to
be very thin. Or maybe that's just the way she is. We don't know, and
that's the point.

D.F. Manno

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Jun 30, 2004, 5:18:27 PM6/30/04
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In article <cbumgu$f0d$1...@news.cc.ukans.edu>,
cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote:

> This is diagnosis at a distance. Freud did it too, much to his shame.
>
> She does not fit a wide range of anorectic-typical symptoms. She is
> highly functioning. She has had a long-term [presumably sexual]
> relationship with a mature [maybe overly mature, but that's just a value
> judgment] man. She is older than the typical anorexic. She does not
> report a wide range of health problems (she shows up to work, and there is
> little-to-no Hollywood scuttlebutt about health problems). In public
> interviews, she does show signs of pathology.
>
> Face, these diagnoses are based on looks, not on the specific symptoms
> associated with anorexia.
>
> She's very skinny. Maybe she like it that way. Maybe she'd be healthier
> if she ate more. But put the pop-diagnoses in your collective pockets,
> folks. It's a poor fit.

What qualifies _you_ to rule it out?

Where did you come up with this list of symptoms? Anorexia and high
function are not mutually exclusive. I know of one anorexic who was a
floor trader on a stock exchange up until she checked into rehab.

Boyle is 34. I've been in rehab with women that old whose diagnosis was
anorexia.

Nor does anorexia rule out long-term relationships. In some cases, it's
the SO who manages to convince the anorexic to seek treatment. (Besides,
you don't know the intimate details about Boyle's relationship with
Nicholson.)

Yes, I base my statement on her looks, but sometimes looks are all you
need to tell. She's way below the normal weight for someone her height.
She looks emaciated. Short of some severe, untreated nutritional
deficiency, the only thing that can produce those looks is anorexia.

Dawnie

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Jun 30, 2004, 5:53:26 PM6/30/04
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 17:18:27 -0400, "D.F. Manno"
<domm...@netscape.net> wrote:

>Yes, I base my statement on her looks, but sometimes looks are all you
>need to tell. She's way below the normal weight for someone her height.
>She looks emaciated. Short of some severe, untreated nutritional
>deficiency, the only thing that can produce those looks is anorexia.

It could be bulimia. I'm just sayin'.

Chris Crandall

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Jun 30, 2004, 5:54:03 PM6/30/04
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D.F. Manno (domm...@netscape.net) wrote:
: What qualifies _you_ to rule it out?

Well, I cannot rule it out with complete assuredness, of course, I'm not
her psychologist. I am a psychologist of one sort or another, and my
dissertation was on eating disorders, so I'm not exactly an idiot on the
matter.

: Where did you come up with this list of symptoms? Anorexia and high

: function are not mutually exclusive. I know of one anorexic who was a
: floor trader on a stock exchange up until she checked into rehab.

They're not mutually exclusive, no, but there is a negative correlation
between the two.

: Boyle is 34. I've been in rehab with women that old whose diagnosis was
: anorexia.

OK, but please admit that it's relatively rare.


: Nor does anorexia rule out long-term relationships. In some cases, it's

: the SO who manages to convince the anorexic to seek treatment. (Besides,
: you don't know the intimate details about Boyle's relationship with
: Nicholson.)

OK, but please admit it's a counter-indication.
This is what I said:

: > She has had a long-term [presumably sexual]


: > relationship with a mature [maybe overly mature, but that's just a value
: > judgment] man.


It seems quite reasonable, and in line with the facts. She has described
how he acted when they woke up together in bed, something I read in a
newspaper.


: Yes, I base my statement on her looks, but sometimes looks are all you

: need to tell. She's way below the normal weight for someone her height.
: She looks emaciated. Short of some severe, untreated nutritional
: deficiency, the only thing that can produce those looks is anorexia.

Not the only thing, and that's the point.
One should not leap to the most salient and least positive diagnosis
without proper evidence, which is lacking.

Chris Crandall

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Jun 30, 2004, 6:08:44 PM6/30/04
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Dawnie (daw...@boosters.net) wrote:
: It could be bulimia. I'm just sayin'.

Probably not. Most bulimics are within the range of normal weight.
Plus, consitent vomiting is hell on teeth.

Dawnie

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Jun 30, 2004, 7:23:38 PM6/30/04
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On 30 Jun 2004 22:08:44 GMT, cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall)
wrote:

I don't know too much about these eating disorders, but my
niece--who's researched them well enough--had a friend who was
bulimic, and her friend was way underweight. Perhaps she's an extreme
example, because she developed some heart problems as a result. No
idea what vomiting does to teeth though. Must be all that stomach
acid, I suppose?

Connemara

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Jun 30, 2004, 7:53:24 PM6/30/04
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"Dawnie" <daw...@boosters.net> wrote in message
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Bulimia destroys the enamel on the teeth because of all the acid from
vomiting. It is very common for bulimics to have serious problems with
their teeth because of this issue.

Dawnie

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Jun 30, 2004, 8:18:54 PM6/30/04
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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 23:53:24 GMT, "Connemara"
<justice_...@spam.medscape.com> wrote:

>Bulimia destroys the enamel on the teeth because of all the acid from
>vomiting. It is very common for bulimics to have serious problems with
>their teeth because of this issue.

It must seem like the least of all their problems, I imagine.

I'm overweight, and I don't particularly like how my body looks now,
but I sure am extremely glad I'm not anorexic or bulimic!

Walt

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Jun 30, 2004, 8:42:35 PM6/30/04
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Chris said on Lara Flynn Boyle:

>>She does not fit a wide range of anorectic-typical symptoms. She is highly
functioning. She has had a long-term [presumably sexual] relationship with a
mature [maybe overly mature, but that's just a value judgment] man. She is
older than the typical anorexic. She does not report a wide range of health
problems (she shows up to work, and there is little-to-no Hollywood scuttlebutt
about health problems). In public interviews, she does show signs of
pathology.>>

>>Face, these diagnoses are based on looks, not on the specific symptoms
associated with anorexia.>>

>She's very skinny. Maybe she like it that way. Maybe she'd be healthier if
she ate more. But put the pop-diagnoses in your collective pockets, folks.
It's a poor fit.>>

It may also be that she happens to have a very high metablism rate that would
better explain her looking as skinny as she does. This is something I remember
Teri Austin mentioning many times back when she was on "Knots Landing" in the
late 1980s and it sounds more like that as opposed to anorexia. Some people
simply have a very high metabolism and that probably sounds like what it is in
Ms. Boyle's case (speaking from a distance, of course).

Walt

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Chris Crandall

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Jul 1, 2004, 11:55:20 AM7/1/04
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Dawnie (daw...@boosters.net) wrote:
: I don't know too much about these eating disorders, but my

: niece--who's researched them well enough--had a friend who was
: bulimic, and her friend was way underweight. Perhaps she's an extreme
: example, because she developed some heart problems as a result. No
: idea what vomiting does to teeth though. Must be all that stomach
: acid, I suppose?

Sounds like co-morbidity to me. Deep doo-doo, although treatable.
It is, indeed, the acid. Acid reflux can do it, too.

Rick and Sue Deschene

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Jul 1, 2004, 1:03:40 PM7/1/04
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cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote in message news:<cbumgu$f0d$1...@news.cc.ukans.edu>...
<snip>

> She is older than the typical anorexic.
<snip>

She's only about two years older than Karen Carpenter was when she
died. Someone I know was in her late 30s when she finally won her
battle with eating disorders.

I agree with you and others who say that all this talk about anorexia
nervosa is pure speculation. Still, she does exhibit some of the
visible signs of a person suffering from one or more eating disorders,
and she lives her life in the public eye. So such speculation, while
it may not be accurate, or even right, is natural, and is to be
expected.

Sue

Rick and Sue Deschene

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Jul 5, 2004, 10:06:18 PM7/5/04
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cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote in message news:<cbumgu$f0d$1...@news.cc.ukans.edu>...
<snip>
> She is older than the typical anorexic.
<snip>

Just saw this timely rebuttal linked on Google's news page. According
to this New York Times article, doctors are seeing growing numbers of
women in their 30s or older with anorexia and bulimia:

Older Women, Too, Struggle With a Dangerous Secret
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/07/06/health/06anor.html?ex=1089691200&amp;en=d13fcffb93e0936d&amp;ei=5062&amp;partner=GOOGLE

Sue

Asmodeus

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Jul 9, 2004, 10:36:18 AM7/9/04
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cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu (Chris Crandall) wrote in news:cbq2cs$r9h$1
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> Ack, no. Such a posting is not possible for a L&O fan. I have always
> liked LFB, since Twin Peaks, but she is so wrong for this part.

You're right. McCoy is a pussy compared to Helen. She'd eat him
for lunch.

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Mike Walters

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Jul 20, 2004, 2:57:30 AM7/20/04
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For those who still think LFB is anorexic, check out page 13 of this
week's "In Touch" magazine. She looks pretty healthy to me.

Andrew Murray

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"Connemara" <justice_...@spam.medscape.com> wrote in message
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> "Chris Crandall" <cran...@lark.cc.ku.edu> wrote in message
> news:cbq2cs$r9h$1...@news.cc.ukans.edu...
> > : >As you may have heard, Elisabeth Rohm will be leaving Law & Order next

> > : >season. So, L&O is going to need a new ADA. Lara Flynn Boyle is one
> of
> > : >those mentioned as a possible replacement for Rohm.
> >
> > Ack, no. Such a posting is not possible for a L&O fan. I have always
> > liked LFB, since Twin Peaks, but she is so wrong for this part.
>
> Actually, I like Lara Flynn Boyle, but if they brought the Helen Gamble
> character it would not be appropriate. Gamble has been an ADA for the past
> 9 or so seasons on "The Practice" and is ready to move up and on and would
> never move from Boston to New York just to be an ADA.
>
> > : They've already done a crossover with Ellenor appearing on L&O.
> >
> > Umm, no? Ellenor Frutt has never appeared on L&O. Camryn Manheim, of
> > course, has--two or three times, as different characters.
>
>
> But somewhere it is listed that she appeared as Eleanor Frutt on L&O so the
> rumor remains. In fact, I think it is at IMDB -- or maybe at an L&O site.
> It is funny that it remains no many how many times people have debunked it!
> Michelle
>
>
>
> --
> War does not determine who is right, War determines who is left.
>

I think you're thinking of cross-over eps with Boston Public - Eleanor and Jimmy
have appeared on Boston Public as the school's legal counsel ??


>


Nations

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Aug 31, 2004, 1:50:37 PM8/31/04
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I'm a little late to this thread, but here's my two cents:

The problem with the Helen Gamble character in particular, and the entire
"The Practice" show in general, is that Helen Gamble is a terrible
prosecutor. Did you ever see her win a case? I watched several episodes
with my wife, and I never once saw her win a case, or even a motion. A
character cannot be defined by fiat. If a character is supposed to be smart
then that character must say and do smart things. If a character is
supposed to be a good lawyer -- as Helen Gamble was supposed to be -- then
she must win cases. Helen Gamble is the biggest loser in the entire history
of TV juris prudence, and as such she would be an awful awful awful awful
addition to a good and intelligent show such as L&O.

As an aside, Helen Gamble is a much bigger loser than Hamilton Burger
because all the people that Mr. Burger was prosecuting were in fact
innocent. But the people that Ms. Gamble prosecuted were by and large
guilty.

It would also be quite costly to add Ms. Boyle to the cast, since the
wardrobe department would have to add all those size negative 2 dresses to
their collections.


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Mike Walters

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Aug 31, 2004, 2:55:57 PM8/31/04
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Nations wrote:

> I'm a little late to this thread, but here's my two cents:
>
> The problem with the Helen Gamble character in particular, and the entire
> "The Practice" show in general, is that Helen Gamble is a terrible
> prosecutor. Did you ever see her win a case? I watched several episodes
> with my wife, and I never once saw her win a case, or even a motion. A
> character cannot be defined by fiat. If a character is supposed to be smart
> then that character must say and do smart things. If a character is
> supposed to be a good lawyer -- as Helen Gamble was supposed to be -- then
> she must win cases. Helen Gamble is the biggest loser in the entire history
> of TV juris prudence, and as such she would be an awful awful awful awful
> addition to a good and intelligent show such as L&O.
>
> As an aside, Helen Gamble is a much bigger loser than Hamilton Burger
> because all the people that Mr. Burger was prosecuting were in fact
> innocent. But the people that Ms. Gamble prosecuted were by and large
> guilty.

That depends on when you started watching. For the first few seasons
things were much more even. In fact, I think the prosecution won more
often than not. But as the series went along, the firm became more and
more successful. By the end, the prosecution almost never won, except
in the rare case that the defendant was actually innocent.

This is a good indicator of how ridiculous and predictable the show had
become. If a defendant was acquitted, you could be certain that it
would be revealed - either before or after the verdict - that he/she was
guilty. If a defendant was innocent, he/she was definitely going away.
But these problems were the result of shabby writing on DEK's part,
and not problems with the characters (i.e. Helen Gamble). In real life,
prosecutors win something like 95% of the time - which shows how out of
touch DEK is.

> It would also be quite costly to add Ms. Boyle to the cast, since the
> wardrobe department would have to add all those size negative 2 dresses to
> their collections.

Actually, she's looking damn fine these days (see Us, People, In Touch,
etc.). In fact, LFB was on the cover of the National Enquirer last week
- in a story about cellulite. (This girl just cannot win!)

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Nations

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Sep 1, 2004, 11:52:48 AM9/1/04
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> But these problems were the result of shabby writing on DEK's part,
> and not problems with the characters (i.e. Helen Gamble). In real life,
> prosecutors win something like 95% of the time - which shows how out of
> touch DEK is.

You can't separate problems with characters and problems with the writing.
Any problem with a character is the direct result of poor writing --
remember, this is fiction. I'm not accusing Boyle of being a bad actress.
I'm accusing Gamble of being a terrible TV prosecutor and I'm accusing the
shows creators of creating characters by fiat rather than have them actually
do and say things that are in concert with the way the show's creatives want
them to be. That's sloppy drama.

As for your assertion that Boyle is looking damn fine these days, we'll just
have to agree to disagree. I think she looks awful! She is certainly
nowhere near the eye candy that we've come to expect from the ADA's.

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Mike Walters

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Nations wrote:
>> But these problems were the result of shabby writing on DEK's part,
>>and not problems with the characters (i.e. Helen Gamble). In real life,
>>prosecutors win something like 95% of the time - which shows how out of
>>touch DEK is.
>
>
> You can't separate problems with characters and problems with the writing.
> Any problem with a character is the direct result of poor writing --
> remember, this is fiction. I'm not accusing Boyle of being a bad actress.
> I'm accusing Gamble of being a terrible TV prosecutor and I'm accusing the
> shows creators of creating characters by fiat rather than have them actually
> do and say things that are in concert with the way the show's creatives want
> them to be. That's sloppy drama.

Yes, it was sloppy drama. My point is that the problem was not that
Gamble couldn't win, but that Donnell, Dole, Young, and Frutt couldn't
lose. They were invincible; they won every case no matter who they were
up against. They didn't just beat Gamble, they beat Walsh and the whole
rest of the DA's office, every time. It didn't matter how good or bad
the other side was, because the firm always won.


> As for your assertion that Boyle is looking damn fine these days, we'll just
> have to agree to disagree. I think she looks awful! She is certainly
> nowhere near the eye candy that we've come to expect from the ADA's.


Really? Have you seen any pictures of her lately? Exhibit 1:

http://img43.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img43&image=lara_flynn_boyle_506_1.jpg&t=y

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