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Mark D Rossi

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Jul 22, 2007, 12:51:53 PM7/22/07
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I've finally decided to take the plunge and buy an HDTV. I've narrowed my
choices down to four LCDs. Please help me choose because to me they all
look great.

Sony:
KDL-40V2500
KDL-40S3000

Dell:
W3707C

Sharp:
LC-32D62U

The Television is going to be for a bedroom that is not huge by any means,
actually quite small. It's under 20ft x 20ft. I just want to make the
right choice since I'll have it for years to come. Thanks!

Mark

Wes Newell

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Jul 22, 2007, 2:32:48 PM7/22/07
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I'm wondering how large a mansion you live in if you think 20x20 is small
for a bedroom. 400sq ft is half the size of some peoples houses. If you're
going to watch from 20ft back, I'd say get the largest one.

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Mark D Rossi

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"Wes Newell" <w.ne...@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:51:53 -0400, Mark D Rossi wrote:
>
>> I've finally decided to take the plunge and buy an HDTV. I've narrowed
>> my
>> choices down to four LCDs. Please help me choose because to me they all
>> look great.
>>
>> Sony:
>> KDL-40V2500
>> KDL-40S3000
>>
>> Dell:
>> W3707C
>>
>> Sharp:
>> LC-32D62U
>>
>> The Television is going to be for a bedroom that is not huge by any
>> means,
>> actually quite small. It's under 20ft x 20ft. I just want to make the
>> right choice since I'll have it for years to come. Thanks!
>>
> I'm wondering how large a mansion you live in if you think 20x20 is small
> for a bedroom. 400sq ft is half the size of some peoples houses. If you're
> going to watch from 20ft back, I'd say get the largest one.

Sorry Wes, LOL. I guess that was wishful thinking on my part. My bedroom
is actually more like 12x8 and not quite with the way the one wall is with
the door. LOL, what the heck was I thinking?

phil-new...@ipal.net

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Jul 22, 2007, 6:33:38 PM7/22/07
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That's a large bedroom.

My guess is you don't need a whole lot for this TV unless you plan to be
a bed potato and do all your watching there. If you want to pay premium
dollar, go with Sony. Otherwise you can still do well with many other
brands like Sharp. The one spec I suggest you not skimp on is contrast
ratio. This is because I suspect bedroom watching is more likely to take
place with less ambient light. You'll want black levels ot be truly at
the black level as best as it can. Accept no less than 1000:1. More is
better. You won't be able to tell visually in the store.

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nt4-ever

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Jul 22, 2007, 7:01:43 PM7/22/07
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> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:51:53 -0400 Mark D Rossi <MDRO...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> | I've finally decided to take the plunge and buy an HDTV. I've

http://www.myceknowhow.com/files/buyingGuides/digitalTelevision/dtv_buy_mod3.pdf
Quote:
It is important to select a TV that fits your room.
Bigger is generally better, but sit too close and
the picture may look grainy or fuzzy. But if
you're too far away, you'll miss some of HDTV's
awesome detail. Selecting the right size set for
your room is easy using this simple calculation:
1. Measure distance from TV to sitting position.
2. Divide by 2 and then by 3 to get ideal screen
size range.
The resulting numbers will be your ideal screen sizes.

My opinions:
Sony and Sharp seem to be the big names..
iirc consumer reports said Dell had higher
than average repair rate..

i would look for a native 1080P set - whilst
overkill for OTA with upcoming 1080P with
DVD, cable, satellite ...
(btw make sure it can actually accept 1080P
signals -- some 1080P sets can only accept
1080I/720P ..)

nt4-ever

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Jul 22, 2007, 7:20:07 PM7/22/07
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On Jul 22, 4:01 pm, nt4-ever <nt4-e...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:51:53 -0400 Mark D Rossi <MDRO...@stny.rr.com> wrote:
> > | I've finally decided to take the plunge and buy an HDTV. I've

Anyone have any idea about Akai reliability?

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5420917
Akai 37" Full HD 1080p LCD HDTV w/ Digital Tuner, LCT37Z6TA
$874.00
http://www.akaiusa.com/products_detail_specifications.aspx?cat=VISUAL%20ENTERTAINMENT&subcat=LCD%20TV&productno=LCT37Z6TA
http://www.akaiusa.com/files/catalog/LCT37Z6TA.pdf
(not obvious if "Full-HD (1080p) Ready" really means
it can accept 1080P signals)

Akai 42" 1080p LCD HDTV with Digital Tuner, LCT42Z7TA
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6043537
$1,098.00
http://www.akaiusa.com/products_detail_specifications.aspx?cat=VISUAL%20ENTERTAINMENT&subcat=LCD%20TV&productno=LCT47Z7TA
http://www.akaiusa.com/files/catalog/LCT47Z7TA.pdf

Tam/WB2TT

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Jul 22, 2007, 7:35:04 PM7/22/07
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"nt4-ever" <nt4-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I ran across some Akai TVs at the Circuit City web site once. Noticed they
had the worst custorer rating scores of anything in the store.

Tam


Mark D Rossi

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Jul 22, 2007, 7:53:16 PM7/22/07
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"nt4-ever" <nt4-...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:51:53 -0400 Mark D Rossi <MDRO...@stny.rr.com>
>> wrote:
>> | I've finally decided to take the plunge and buy an HDTV. I've
>
> http://www.myceknowhow.com/files/buyingGuides/digitalTelevision/dtv_buy_mod3.pdf
> Quote:
> It is important to select a TV that fits your room.
> Bigger is generally better, but sit too close and
> the picture may look grainy or fuzzy. But if
> you're too far away, you'll miss some of HDTV's
> awesome detail. Selecting the right size set for
> your room is easy using this simple calculation:
> 1. Measure distance from TV to sitting position.
> 2. Divide by 2 and then by 3 to get ideal screen
> size range.
> The resulting numbers will be your ideal screen sizes.

I'm either doing this wrong or something because I'm getting a really small
screen size, even smaller than I have now. Do you mean Divide by 2 and then
Multiply by 3? Dividing by 2 and 3 is giving me single digit or lower
double digit numbers.

nt4-ever

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Jul 22, 2007, 8:08:15 PM7/22/07
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>I'm either doing this wrong or something because I'm getting a >really small
>screen size, even smaller than I have now.

Use the distance to the tv in inchs (or cm)
eg the typical .us viewing distance is
9 feet - ie 108 inches - so
108/2 = 54 and 108/3 is 36
so at that distance look for a screen
size between 54 and 36 inches.

L Alpert

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Jul 22, 2007, 8:12:02 PM7/22/07
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You were thinking of a bigger room for a 70"-100" TV.

David Z

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Jul 22, 2007, 9:09:21 PM7/22/07
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"Mark D Rossi" <MDR...@stny.rr.com> wrote in message
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Get a Samsung LN-T4065F (40" LCD). I just got the 46" version
(LN-T4665F) and it's awesome.

http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-and-plasma/samsung-ln-t4665f/4505-648
2_7-32306311.html?tag=lst


Mark D Rossi

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Jul 22, 2007, 9:18:15 PM7/22/07
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kinda can't, have credit through dell, gotta stick with those.

>
>

Wes Newell

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Jul 23, 2007, 4:24:56 AM7/23/07
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:06:54 -0400, Mark D Rossi wrote:

> Sorry Wes, LOL. I guess that was wishful thinking on my part. My bedroom
> is actually more like 12x8 and not quite with the way the one wall is with
> the door. LOL, what the heck was I thinking?

Some people like large screens, some don't. In the bedroom I usually watch
lying down about 5-6 visual feet from the TV. I've got a 27" HDTV there
and any larger would be too large for me. Before going HD, I used a 20".
tried a 25" and that was too large. You could always take a tape measure
to walmart and look at thenm from the distance you will be looking at then
at home.

JXStern

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Jul 23, 2007, 1:56:45 PM7/23/07
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I like the Sony picture quality, I'd go for the newer model, I know
it's the most expensive. Don't know what the Dell is.

You realize that some of the no-names at retail now are about half the
price of the Sony's, and really not bad?

J.

dgates

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Jul 24, 2007, 12:15:30 AM7/24/07
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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:24:56 GMT, Wes Newell
<w.ne...@TAKEOUTverizon.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:06:54 -0400, Mark D Rossi wrote:
>
>> Sorry Wes, LOL. I guess that was wishful thinking on my part. My bedroom
>> is actually more like 12x8 and not quite with the way the one wall is with
>> the door. LOL, what the heck was I thinking?
>
>Some people like large screens, some don't. In the bedroom I usually watch

>lying down about 5-6 visual feet from the TV...

"visual feet?"

Do you have some telescope or set of mirrors that allow you to get a
"visual distance" that's different than your actual distance? :-o

Yellowbeard

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Jul 24, 2007, 1:51:03 AM7/24/07
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I looked for a long time. I settled on the less cost VIZIO 32" LCD
HDTV.
Contrast 1200:1
OTA HD is awsome.
Sears or Costco $599
Actually Sears on sale $569
I picked up a Phillips upconvert HDMI DVD player for $45
Works.
YMMV
YB

On Jul 23, 9:15 pm, dgates <dga...@somedomain.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 08:24:56 GMT, Wes Newell
>

common_

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Jul 24, 2007, 7:42:05 PM7/24/07
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if you need credit to buy a TV, you do not need a TV.

Mark D Rossi

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Jul 24, 2007, 8:39:18 PM7/24/07
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Did anyone ask you? I think not, now go away.

common_

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Jul 24, 2007, 9:22:17 PM7/24/07
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most people do not ask for the truth.

Mark D Rossi

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Jul 24, 2007, 9:28:11 PM7/24/07
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<common_ se...@netscape.com> wrote in message
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Just because you have bottomless pockets doesn't mean you can criticize me
for not.

common_

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Jul 24, 2007, 9:49:31 PM7/24/07
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It has nothing to do with bottomless pockets,,

It has to do with common sense,,

and common sense says - borrowing money at 22 percent to buy something
as frivolous as a big screen TV is stupid.

If you were buying a house, or a kidney then my comments are stupid.

Buying a TV - rather than saving the money for retirement, or your
kids college, that makes you stupid.


Mark D Rossi

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Jul 24, 2007, 9:57:46 PM7/24/07
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<common_ se...@netscape.com> wrote in message
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I can save for retirement later, I'm not old at all so that can be done at a
later time. I have no kids and don't ever plan on having kids, so that's
out of the picture. I do want to thank you for calling me stupid. I mean I
don't even know you and you don't know me, but you can calmly call me stupid
as you sit comfortably in front of your computer. Very nice.

>
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common_

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Jul 24, 2007, 10:11:10 PM7/24/07
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so your age, and retirement account balance is ????

and of course you have a secret formula to make more than 22 percent?

at a later time - apparently you lack basic math skills? You will
need several million in your retirement acount...as a minimum.

Your TV purchase, on your credit card, will cost your around 200K,
over 30 years.

better be one nice picture for that,

kids and college do not make me stupid at all - not having them myself
makes me smart, but many people do, and many people need to watch a
27" TV so they can watch their children go to college.

Mark D Rossi

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Jul 24, 2007, 10:48:14 PM7/24/07
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<common_ se...@netscape.com> wrote in message
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Most of what you just asked is none of your business, so I won't be
answering that. As far as I'm concerned you can just stop. I'm buying the
tv whether you continue to call me stupid or not. There are millions of
people who everyday buy things on credit and plunge themselves into debt.
I, unfortuantely am one of them. But I will buy what I want whether a
person I don't know berates me or not. My choice is my choice and your
choice is your choice. Let it end at that. Good day sir!


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Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 24, 2007, 11:34:24 PM7/24/07
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He won't. He believes that his opinion is a "true fact". It doesn't
matter that there is *nothing* that supports his opinion.

Matthew

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Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 24, 2007, 11:36:20 PM7/24/07
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HUZZAH!!

Mark D Rossi

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Jul 24, 2007, 11:41:28 PM7/24/07
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"Matthew L. Martin" <not...@notnow.never> wrote in message
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So he's here often I see?

Mark D Rossi

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Jul 24, 2007, 11:42:32 PM7/24/07
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"Matthew L. Martin" <not...@notnow.never> wrote in message
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LOL!

Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 24, 2007, 11:45:00 PM7/24/07
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It's usernet(tm), so he is here as often as he cares to be. That doesn't
change much of anything. He still believes that his opinion is a "true
fact".

Matthew

common_

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Jul 25, 2007, 12:03:38 AM7/25/07
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when the great crash come - dont be one asking the responsible of us
to save you.

common_

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so when this guy is living in a box under a bridge,,,

you are going to give your money to support him, because he bought a
nice HD flat screen TV from China on his credit card.?

Instead of saving it for the future like you did.

Sorry but maybe buying a house, a kidney, or a liver transplant makes
sense to do on a credit card.

A TV does not.

People like him are the reason that this country is on the brink of
economic catastrophe,


Richard C.

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Jul 26, 2007, 4:47:36 PM7/26/07
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<common_ se...@netscape.com> wrote in message
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>>
> It has nothing to do with bottomless pockets,,
>
> It has to do with common sense,,
>
> and common sense says - borrowing money at 22 percent to buy something
> as frivolous as a big screen TV is stupid.
>
> If you were buying a house, or a kidney then my comments are stupid.
>
> Buying a TV - rather than saving the money for retirement, or your
> kids college, that makes you stupid.
>
>
===============================
And qualifying for Magnolia Credit and buying on a no interest for 18 month
deal
makes one SMART!
I bought all my HT equipment that way and have never paid interest on any of
it.

Richard C.

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<common_ se...@netscape.com> wrote in message
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>>
> when the great crash come - dont be one asking the responsible of us
> to save you.

=======================
When the great crash come[sic], your investments will likely
be worth less than his TV.

common_

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:18:13 PM7/27/07
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so,,,

paying 8000 dollars, for a 2500 dollar TV, that you could buy in 12
months, for $2000 , by saving 200 a month in the bank, and have 500
left over,,,,is bad advise??


common_

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:27:35 PM7/27/07
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"Richard C." <post...@spamcop.net> wrote:

no,,, I don't think so,,I am not a 'deep pocket", just an average Joe
that saved and did not borrow.

Though maybe all those Bnk CEOs , and Loan Company Presidents , Living
up on the hill in the big mansions, will ...

Right now however - they are laughing their collective asses off with
him paying 22 percent interest to watch a TV.


Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:29:36 PM7/27/07
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common_ se...@netscape.com wrote:

>
> so when this guy is living in a box under a bridge,,,

That is what is called a false hypothesis.

> you are going to give your money to support him, because he bought a
> nice HD flat screen TV from China on his credit card.?

The really neat thing about a false hypothesis is that when you use one
you can "prove" anything.

> Instead of saving it for the future like you did.

Um... I charged my HDTV purchase, but don't let that interfere with your
"argument".

> Sorry but maybe buying a house, a kidney, or a liver transplant makes
> sense to do on a credit card.

Actually. I would expect that most people use something other than a
credit card for those transactions.

> A TV does not.

Why not? I know lots of people who are in good financial shape that
occasionally use credit to buy something sooner than they otherwise
might. I'm one of them.

> People like him are the reason that this country is on the brink of
> economic catastrophe,

People like you, AKA non-thinkers, are the reason that Fox is considered
to be a news station.

Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:31:51 PM7/27/07
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common_ se...@netscape.com wrote:

> so,,,
>
> paying 8000 dollars, for a 2500 dollar TV, that you could buy in 12
> months, for $2000 , by saving 200 a month in the bank, and have 500
> left over,,,,is bad advise??

Got facts?

I guess not.

common_

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:46:25 PM7/27/07
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What facts do I need to post..??

Its 22 percent interest idiot,,,

Guess your math skills equal you comprehension skills.


Howard Lester

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Jul 27, 2007, 8:58:31 PM7/27/07
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"Matthew L. Martin" wrote

> Got facts?

Yes. Per what I recently read, the average credit card debt is now about
$9000. That's up from about $4000 maybe 5 - 10 years ago. Whether the
charges made to that level are important to one's survival... I sure
wouldn't know. But I bet you can count on many of them being what *I* would
label as unnecessary purchases by those who have no idea how to manage
money. No one NEEDS a fancy tv. "Want," yes... "need," no. I suspect many,
many people don't know the difference.

And no, we have NO idea what the OP's financial situation is, and I don't
care.


common_

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Jul 27, 2007, 9:39:00 PM7/27/07
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"Howard Lester" <heyl...@dakotacom.net> wrote:

Hey - you have the facts,,

Whether anyone else wants to listen to them, does not make them less
facts.

Mr wants a TV could easily save 200 bucks a month fot a year, and then
pay cash, and have money left over,,,for say educating his kids, or
taking a vacation.

However Mr "Martin" lacks the basic math to understand that.

Thank you for posting from someone that does,


Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 27, 2007, 11:39:25 PM7/27/07
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Sorry, you have no common sense. I pay the balance due on my credit card
bills and none of my accounts as an APR above 9%. Sorry about your
credit score.

Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 27, 2007, 11:48:43 PM7/27/07
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But you won't let the fact that you have no idea what the OP's financial
state may be keep you from pontificating about what he should do. You
have about as much common sense at the guy that uses that as his handle.
Which is to say: none at all.

Reality is what is real, your opinion, based on nothing, is not reality.

Howard Lester

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Jul 28, 2007, 11:57:10 AM7/28/07
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"Matthew L. Martin" wrote

> But you won't let the fact that you have no idea what the OP's financial
> state may be keep you from pontificating about what he should do. You have
> about as much common sense at the guy that uses that as his handle. Which
> is to say: none at all.

You missed the point. Like you, I pay my bills in full, never carrying a
balance forward. I purchase what I can afford to pay back that month. I
cited $9000 as the average household credit card balance. That's financially
dangerous, and it's not just my opinion.


Matthew L. Martin

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Jul 28, 2007, 12:02:25 PM7/28/07
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What does that have to do with an individual's choice to use credit and
not pay off the balance immediately? There have been times that I have
done that for various reasons.

Howard Lester

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Jul 28, 2007, 12:50:53 PM7/28/07
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"Matthew L. Martin" wrote

>> You missed the point. Like you, I pay my bills in full, never carrying a
>> balance forward. I purchase what I can afford to pay back that month. I
>> cited $9000 as the average household credit card balance. That's
>> financially dangerous, and it's not just my opinion.

> What does that have to do with an individual's choice to use credit and
> not pay off the balance immediately? There have been times that I have
> done that for various reasons.

Right - it's a matter of personal choice. I've done it, too. (The last time
was in 1992.) I believe too many people don't understand the consequences.
There is a responsibility that goes with handling money within one's means.
But, none of this has anything to do with televisions. I made my point, and
few will listen. ;-)

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming arguments....

Howard


phil-new...@ipal.net

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In alt.tv.tech.hdtv Matthew L. Martin <not...@notnow.never> wrote:

| Howard Lester wrote:
|> "Matthew L. Martin" wrote
|>
|>> Got facts?
|>
|> Yes. Per what I recently read, the average credit card debt is now about
|> $9000. That's up from about $4000 maybe 5 - 10 years ago. Whether the
|> charges made to that level are important to one's survival... I sure
|> wouldn't know. But I bet you can count on many of them being what *I* would
|> label as unnecessary purchases by those who have no idea how to manage
|> money. No one NEEDS a fancy tv. "Want," yes... "need," no. I suspect many,
|> many people don't know the difference.
|>
|> And no, we have NO idea what the OP's financial situation is, and I don't
|> care.
|
| But you won't let the fact that you have no idea what the OP's financial
| state may be keep you from pontificating about what he should do. You
| have about as much common sense at the guy that uses that as his handle.
| Which is to say: none at all.

I see you are at least fair and balanced ... you will make personal attacks
on other people, too.

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Chris McGonnell

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Jul 28, 2007, 8:04:13 PM7/28/07
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:46:25 GMT, common_ sense wrote:

>"Matthew L. Martin" <not...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
>>common_ se...@netscape.com wrote:
>>
>>> so,,,
>>>
>>> paying 8000 dollars, for a 2500 dollar TV, that you could buy in 12
>>> months, for $2000 , by saving 200 a month in the bank, and have 500
>>> left over,,,,is bad advise??
>>
>>Got facts?
>>
>>I guess not.
>>
>>Matthew
>>
>>--
>>I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
>>Which one do you want?
>
>What facts do I need to post..??
>
>Its 22 percent interest idiot,,,

No it's 22 percent for morons -- oh, so that's why you think that.

>Guess your math skills equal you comprehension skills.

Hey kid, if you pay the balance it's interest-free.

--
Chris McG.
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"Well now you're just getting SILLY." -- Darla

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Chris McGonnell

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Jul 28, 2007, 11:44:02 AM7/28/07
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2007 00:46:25 GMT, common_ sense wrote:

>"Matthew L. Martin" <not...@notnow.never> wrote:
>
>>common_ se...@netscape.com wrote:
>>
>>> so,,,
>>>
>>> paying 8000 dollars, for a 2500 dollar TV, that you could buy in 12
>>> months, for $2000 , by saving 200 a month in the bank, and have 500
>>> left over,,,,is bad advise??
>>
>>Got facts?
>>
>>I guess not.
>>
>>Matthew
>>
>>--
>>I'm a consultant. If you want an opinion I'll sell you one.
>>Which one do you want?
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>What facts do I need to post..??
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>Its 22 percent interest idiot,,,

No it's 22 percent for morons -- oh, so that's why you think that.

>Guess your math skills equal you comprehension skills.

Hey kid, if you pay the balance it's interest-free.

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