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Rebel1
Jun 21, 2012, 11:11:00 PM6/21/12
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The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
Thanks,
R1
Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
'70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
Thanks,
R1
G-squared
Jun 22, 2012, 3:34:55 AM6/22/12
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On Jun 21, 8:11 pm, Rebel1 <Reb...@optonline.net> wrote:
> The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
> Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from
the
> '70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
> everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right
and left.
<snip>
> The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
> Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from
the
> '70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
> everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right
and left.
> R1
Are you sure the TV isn't set to always stretch regardless? Our LG can
do that but like you I don't want 'stretch' and have it set to follow
the input.
G²
Alan
Jun 22, 2012, 5:11:30 AM6/22/12
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Try setting up the comcast box to output the proper mode -- it may
be set to stretch.
There is some magic where you turn the TV on, the comcast box off,
then press menu for the comcast box, and get a setup menu. From that,
as I recall, you can set how it deals with the TV, and what it does with
narrow images.
Alan
Rebel1
Jun 22, 2012, 6:24:09 AM6/22/12
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Next time I'm over my friend's house, I'll investigate this interesting
idea. Thanks.
R1
Rebel1
Jun 22, 2012, 6:25:57 AM6/22/12
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that I missed while using the TV's on-screen menus.
Thanks,
R1
Kimba W Lion
Jun 22, 2012, 7:20:47 AM6/22/12
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Rebel1 <Reb...@optonline.net> wrote:
>If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
>on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide.
It sounds to me like the TV is telling you it is receiving a 16:9 (stretched)
>If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
>on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide.
signal, so the problem has to be dealt with at the cable box.
Rebel1
Jun 22, 2012, 11:03:36 AM6/22/12
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Alan suggested.
Thanks,
R1
the dog from that film you saw
Jun 22, 2012, 12:57:25 PM6/22/12
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modes when feeding HDMI into it whereas others of the past haven't.
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Andrew Rossmann
Jun 22, 2012, 6:11:34 PM6/22/12
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In article <4fe3e241$0$6041$607e...@cv.net>, Reb...@optonline.net
says...
Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
their HD feeds.
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HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
their HD feeds.
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Drewdove
Jun 22, 2012, 10:59:41 PM6/22/12
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recently got a cheap Sylvania 22" and it offers a 4:3 screen mode for 16:9
channels (both HD & SD).
Rebel1
Jun 23, 2012, 6:50:09 AM6/23/12
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On 6/22/2012 6:11 PM, Andrew Rossmann wrote:
> In article <4fe3e241$0$6041$607e...@cv.net>, Reb...@optonline.net
> says...
>>
>> The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
>> Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
>> '70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
>> everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
>>
>> If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
>> alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
>> the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
>> don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
>>
>> If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
>> on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
>> repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
>> and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
>>
>> It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
>> the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
>>
>> Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
>
> Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
> HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
> their HD feeds.
As the opening paragraph said, I was watching 4:3 shows from the '70s.
> In article <4fe3e241$0$6041$607e...@cv.net>, Reb...@optonline.net
> says...
>>
>> The Comcast cable signal goes into the set top box and then on to a
>> Vizio HD TV (about three years old). When watching 4:3 shows from the
>> '70s for example, everything is stretched horizontally so
>> everyone/everything looks too fat, with no black bars at the right and left.
>>
>> If I repeatedly press the Size button on the STB remote, the picture
>> alternates between two modes. One is "normal" (whatever that means) and
>> the other zooms the central portion of the picture to a large size. (I
>> don't remember if there are black bars across the top and bottom.)
>>
>> If I press the Wide button on the Vizio remote, the letters 16:9 appear
>> on the screen, regardless of how many times I press Wide. I expected
>> repeatedly pressing Wide would cycle through modes (16:9, 4:3, zoom 1
>> and zoom 2), but it doesn't.
>>
>> It's very annoying looking at a "fat" scene. I prefer the black bars at
>> the left and right of the picture when it is the right aspect ratio.
>>
>> Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
>
> Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
> HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
> their HD feeds.
(They are on the Antenna TV network.)
In my home, I use a rooftop antenna to view it proper perspective on my
Samsung TV. The show is transmitted from NYC on channel 11.2, 480i
(Antenna TV).
My girlfriend's Vizio gets its signal via Comcast on channel 252.
Others have suggested that Comcast is stretching the signal to fill the
width of the screen, which may be the case. It's strange, however, that
the Vizio's remote doesn't allow me to cycle through the various modes
the TV offers; all I can get is 16:9. Maybe there is something I can do
(like Alan suggested) with the cable box's remote to adjust how the
cable box sets its outputs. I won't be over her home for a few days to
experiment.
R1
Rebel1
Jun 23, 2012, 6:52:19 AM6/23/12
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selecting various modes. Next time I'm at her house, I'll have to read
the manual.
R1
Rebel1
Jun 23, 2012, 7:07:51 AM6/23/12
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Here's what Vizio says on it Support site:
"If you would like the picture to fit your screen you will want to use
the wide, zoom, or panoramic settings. You can control these settings
from the television menu under the video or setup option, and some VIZIO
remotes may have a wide button.
Depending on the signal source you may not be able to change these
setting as they are controlled by the signal source and must be changed
from the source device settings. Please refer to user manuals or
service providers support."
So I must try playing with the cable box's internal settings.
R1
"If you would like the picture to fit your screen you will want to use
the wide, zoom, or panoramic settings. You can control these settings
from the television menu under the video or setup option, and some VIZIO
remotes may have a wide button.
Depending on the signal source you may not be able to change these
setting as they are controlled by the signal source and must be changed
from the source device settings. Please refer to user manuals or
service providers support."
So I must try playing with the cable box's internal settings.
R1
Andrew Rossmann
Jun 23, 2012, 8:25:49 AM6/23/12
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[This followup was posted to alt.tv.tech.hdtv and a copy was sent to the
cited author.]
In article <4fe59f60$0$11523$607e...@cv.net>, Reb...@optonline.net
says...
stretching themselves. Do you see this stretching on other SD channels?
Exactly what cable box, if any, do you have connected to the TV? The HD
boxes have an option to stretch 4:3 material, which would override what
your TV does.
For a Motorola-based HD box, set it up so that SD material is passed
through as-is:
Turn off the box
Hit the MENU button
On the 4:3 OVERRIDE option, change it to 480i.
Hit POWER to get out of the menu, then POWER to turn it on as normal.
cited author.]
In article <4fe59f60$0$11523$607e...@cv.net>, Reb...@optonline.net
says...
> >> Any suggestions for getting 4:3 ratio?
> >
> > Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
> > HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
> > their HD feeds.
>
> As the opening paragraph said, I was watching 4:3 shows from the '70s.
> (They are on the Antenna TV network.)
>
> In my home, I use a rooftop antenna to view it proper perspective on my
> Samsung TV. The show is transmitted from NYC on channel 11.2, 480i
> (Antenna TV).
Comcast just passes on what is broadcast. They are not doing any
> >
> > Is it all 4:3 programming, or just a certain channel or two. Is it on an
> > HD channel, or SD? Some stations or networks stretch 4:3 material on
> > their HD feeds.
>
> As the opening paragraph said, I was watching 4:3 shows from the '70s.
> (They are on the Antenna TV network.)
>
> In my home, I use a rooftop antenna to view it proper perspective on my
> Samsung TV. The show is transmitted from NYC on channel 11.2, 480i
> (Antenna TV).
stretching themselves. Do you see this stretching on other SD channels?
Exactly what cable box, if any, do you have connected to the TV? The HD
boxes have an option to stretch 4:3 material, which would override what
your TV does.
For a Motorola-based HD box, set it up so that SD material is passed
through as-is:
Turn off the box
Hit the MENU button
On the 4:3 OVERRIDE option, change it to 480i.
Hit POWER to get out of the menu, then POWER to turn it on as normal.
Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 23, 2012, 12:03:09 PM6/23/12
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Hi,
Note: I am OTA only.
I have several programs on my HTPC that do NOT allow any changes to 16:9
material when playing a capture or viewing live.
This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations.
The only solution that I currently have is use VideoReDo ($$) to crop to
just the 16:9 original material.
The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
do this a very lot.
The thinking of the HDTV designers must be, if it's 16:9, it is the best and
do not allow any changes.
Then the practice of letter boxing and pillaring 16:9 material and sending
it as 16:9 appeared and they had not considered that this practice would be
so widespread. (Stations may pay less when they do this).
Not your problem, but the HDTV designers, being so many in number all over
the world selling to the US just have taken different paths, so YMMV.
I have not seen any stretching of 4:3 material except when selecting that
option in one program.
SHF
Note: I am OTA only.
I have several programs on my HTPC that do NOT allow any changes to 16:9
material when playing a capture or viewing live.
This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations.
The only solution that I currently have is use VideoReDo ($$) to crop to
just the 16:9 original material.
The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
do this a very lot.
The thinking of the HDTV designers must be, if it's 16:9, it is the best and
do not allow any changes.
Then the practice of letter boxing and pillaring 16:9 material and sending
it as 16:9 appeared and they had not considered that this practice would be
so widespread. (Stations may pay less when they do this).
Not your problem, but the HDTV designers, being so many in number all over
the world selling to the US just have taken different paths, so YMMV.
I have not seen any stretching of 4:3 material except when selecting that
option in one program.
SHF
J G Miller
Jun 23, 2012, 3:50:16 PM6/23/12
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On Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, at 09:03:09h -0700, Stephen H. Fischer explained:
> The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
> use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
> do this a very lot.
Why do you want to see less of the original image by cropping?
If you bought a painting and it did not fit the frame you bought
from the store, would you trim the painting so that it fitted?
> The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I can
> use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back and I
> do this a very lot.
If you bought a painting and it did not fit the frame you bought
from the store, would you trim the painting so that it fitted?
Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 23, 2012, 6:02:54 PM6/23/12
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Hi,
"J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message
news:js56ln$g1c$1...@dont-email.me...
original 16:9 program is thus filling the entire 16:9 screen.
On the HD stream the original 16:9 program is both letter boxed and
pilloried, it is locked and cannot be cropped except with VideoReDo ($$).
The original HD program (16:9) is NOT transmitted on the HD stream as HD,
the quality has already been reduced by adding the letterbox and pillars.
KQED has reduced this practice and does not happen as often now.
But, KQEH on (54.1, 9.2) and many other KQED Inc. streams present 16:9
reruns letter boxed in SD. (9.1 is the only HD stream out of eight streams I
can receive from the two transmitters)
The practice of adding the letterbox and pillars is not limited to KQED but
KCSM (Now in process of being sold as it was costing the college too much
money and the Internet is now more useful for delivering college programs)
also does it, much more often to save money.
I see a lot of commercials on the major networks that are letter boxed and
pilloried, they will go away someday, who cares.
Note: The San Francisco Bay area had all the analog stations duplicated on
DTV transmitters very early and our news went to HD very quickly. One did it
and the rest had to follow very quickly. The conversion to HD from SD is
almost complete here.
------------------------------------------------
Larry
SF
My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists:
http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information:
http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
------------------------------------------------
Thus I watch a lot of 16:9 programs using VLC media player to crop and fill
my 16:9 screen.
When KCSM adds the letterbox and pillars and transmits the result in HD, I
just suffer through it as VideoReDo ($$) takes too much time and it reduces
the quality more as it is getting ready to burn a DVD anyway.
>
> If you bought a painting and it did not fit the frame you bought
> from the store, would you trim the painting so that it fitted?
It depends, part of the painting might be all that I want on the wall.
I would like all the programs that were produced in 16:9 to be viewed in HD,
but the bandwidth is not there to do it. KQED tried during it's testing
phase to stuff way too much into one transmitter (Actually both perhaps, the
cut off of analog is now a distant memory) and the results were dismal.
Really horrible. They are sending all that they wish with HD programs sent
once or twice and then repeats letter boxed and pilloried over and over.
SHF
"J G Miller" <mil...@yoyo.ORG> wrote in message
news:js56ln$g1c$1...@dont-email.me...
> On Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, at 09:03:09h -0700, Stephen H. Fischer
> explained:
>
>> The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I
>> can
>> use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back
>> and I
>> do this a very lot.
>
> Why do you want to see less of the original image by cropping?
I am not seeing less but removing the letterbox on the SD stream. The
> explained:
>
>> The same program letter boxed and sent as 4:3 on another transmitter I
>> can
>> use VLC media player to crop and fill my 16:9 screen when playing back
>> and I
>> do this a very lot.
>
> Why do you want to see less of the original image by cropping?
original 16:9 program is thus filling the entire 16:9 screen.
On the HD stream the original 16:9 program is both letter boxed and
pilloried, it is locked and cannot be cropped except with VideoReDo ($$).
The original HD program (16:9) is NOT transmitted on the HD stream as HD,
the quality has already been reduced by adding the letterbox and pillars.
KQED has reduced this practice and does not happen as often now.
But, KQEH on (54.1, 9.2) and many other KQED Inc. streams present 16:9
reruns letter boxed in SD. (9.1 is the only HD stream out of eight streams I
can receive from the two transmitters)
The practice of adding the letterbox and pillars is not limited to KQED but
KCSM (Now in process of being sold as it was costing the college too much
money and the Internet is now more useful for delivering college programs)
also does it, much more often to save money.
I see a lot of commercials on the major networks that are letter boxed and
pilloried, they will go away someday, who cares.
Note: The San Francisco Bay area had all the analog stations duplicated on
DTV transmitters very early and our news went to HD very quickly. One did it
and the rest had to follow very quickly. The conversion to HD from SD is
almost complete here.
------------------------------------------------
Larry
SF
My complete SF Bay Area DTV Station Lists:
http://www.choisser.com/sfonair.html
Lots of Broadcasting links and information:
http://www.choisser.com/broadcast.html
------------------------------------------------
Thus I watch a lot of 16:9 programs using VLC media player to crop and fill
my 16:9 screen.
When KCSM adds the letterbox and pillars and transmits the result in HD, I
just suffer through it as VideoReDo ($$) takes too much time and it reduces
the quality more as it is getting ready to burn a DVD anyway.
>
> If you bought a painting and it did not fit the frame you bought
> from the store, would you trim the painting so that it fitted?
I would like all the programs that were produced in 16:9 to be viewed in HD,
but the bandwidth is not there to do it. KQED tried during it's testing
phase to stuff way too much into one transmitter (Actually both perhaps, the
cut off of analog is now a distant memory) and the results were dismal.
Really horrible. They are sending all that they wish with HD programs sent
once or twice and then repeats letter boxed and pilloried over and over.
SHF
J G Miller
Jun 23, 2012, 6:22:51 PM6/23/12
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On Saturday, June 23rd, 2012, at 15:02:54h -0700, Stephen H. Fischer wrote:
> I am not seeing less but removing the letterbox on the SD stream. The
> original 16:9 program is thus filling the entire 16:9 screen.
>
> On the HD stream the original 16:9 program is both letter boxed and
> pilloried
Sorry -- I misunderstood your original posting and understand what you mean now. ;)
> I am not seeing less but removing the letterbox on the SD stream. The
> original 16:9 program is thus filling the entire 16:9 screen.
>
> On the HD stream the original 16:9 program is both letter boxed and
> pilloried
I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
letterboxed format cannot be very good.
> It depends, part of the painting might be all that I want on the wall.
> I would like all the programs that were produced in 16:9 to be viewed in HD
Hopefully, dual transmission of the same program in HD and SD will
eventually end (economic reasons will no doubt be the major influencing
factor) and there will be HD only.
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Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 24, 2012, 8:45:42 AM6/24/12
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Hi,
Sure
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
with a picture.
Letterbox also with a picture
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
SHF
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E3468F....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <js5fjq$mgh$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
>
> y'all wanna look *that* one up.
Sure
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
with a picture.
Letterbox also with a picture
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
SHF
"Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
news:elmop-E3468F....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <js5fjq$mgh$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
> wrote:
>
>> I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
>> letterboxed format
>
> pilloried?
>
>> I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
>> letterboxed format
>
>
> y'all wanna look *that* one up.
LightByrd
Jun 24, 2012, 9:43:17 AM6/24/12
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"Stephen H. Fischer" wrote in message
news:zcGdnd-c-ruvkXrS...@earthlink.com...
I think Elmo wanted you to look up the verb pillory and then look at its
past participle
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news:zcGdnd-c-ruvkXrS...@earthlink.com...
past participle
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Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 24, 2012, 12:24:02 PM6/24/12
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Hi,
Oh YES I did.
But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this search
was done:
http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox
Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV
Maybe one of the first original search answers applies to the person who
adopted the HDTV
terms.
news:elmop-128CBB....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <zcGdnd-c-ruvkXrS...@earthlink.com>,
Oh YES I did.
But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this search
was done:
http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox
Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV
Maybe one of the first original search answers applies to the person who
adopted the HDTV
terms.
news:elmop-128CBB....@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <zcGdnd-c-ruvkXrS...@earthlink.com>,
> "Stephen H. Fischer" <a_nani...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-E3468F....@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > In article <js5fjq$mgh$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
>> >> letterboxed format
>> >
>> > pilloried?
>> >
>> > y'all wanna look *that* one up.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sure
>>
>> http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
>>
>> with a picture.
>>
>> Letterbox also with a picture
>>
>> http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
>>
>> SHF
>
> no, you didn't look up the word J G used: "pilloried".
>
>> "Elmo P. Shagnasty" <el...@nastydesigns.com> wrote in message
>> news:elmop-E3468F....@news.eternal-september.org...
>> > In article <js5fjq$mgh$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
>> >> letterboxed format
>> >
>> > pilloried?
>> >
>> > y'all wanna look *that* one up.
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sure
>>
>> http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
>>
>> with a picture.
>>
>> Letterbox also with a picture
>>
>> http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/letterbox
>>
>> SHF
>
J G Miller
Jun 24, 2012, 12:55:32 PM6/24/12
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On Sunday, June 24th, 2012, at 07:51:05h -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <js5fjq$mgh$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.
Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...
> In article <js5fjq$mgh$2...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
> wrote:
>
>> I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
>> letterboxed format
>
>
>> I guess the resolution of the actual 16:9 picture in the pilloried and
>> letterboxed format
>
> pilloried?
>
> y'all wanna look *that* one up.
I would prefer to use the term "pillarboxed" but at the time of posting
>
> y'all wanna look *that* one up.
that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.
Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...
LightByrd
Jun 24, 2012, 2:06:13 PM6/24/12
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"Stephen H. Fischer" wrote in message
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Richard (AKA LightByrd)
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Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 24, 2012, 6:01:36 PM6/24/12
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Hi,
You must remember that Google keeps track of your searches, I discovered
that while searching at a friends where I could not find what shows up when
searching at home. Search.com is owned by CBS as well as owning CNET, in the
beginning the CNET TV show had talent from local TV stations. I just stuck
with it as results were getting better and better.
---------------------------
Metasearch Search Engine - Search.com
Search the Web by searching the best engines from one place.
www.search.com - More from this site - Similar pages
[ Result from Google, Bing ]
----------------------------
So I am not surprised you do not get the same answers, note the YMMV. Your
search history is different.
I could use the wrong words, misspell them, still my searches got better. It
was not me, but the search engines.
>> But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this
>> search
>> was done:
>>
>> http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox
>>
>> Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV
>
> Number seven showed "pilloried" used in the context of HDTV?
>
> No, it didn't. And still doesn't.
>
> Start at the beginning: look up "pilloried".
>
> Oh hell, since you seem incapable of it, I'll do it for you--even using
> the same search engine you used:
>
> http://www.search.com/search?q=pilloried
That gave me nothing about HDTV in the first 10 pages I looked at.
Can you unlock me now please.
Yes, I have seen pilloried so many times before in HDTV context discussion.
From my http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox run
---------------------------------------
pillarbox definition of pillarbox in the Free Online Encyclopedia.
... ratio, black bars are displayed at the left and right sides to make up
for the shorter width of the 4:3 frame. Contrast with letterbox. See HDTV
display modes.
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.pillarbox - More from this site - Similar
pages
[ Result from Google ]
-------------------------------------
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
You must remember that Google keeps track of your searches, I discovered
that while searching at a friends where I could not find what shows up when
searching at home. Search.com is owned by CBS as well as owning CNET, in the
beginning the CNET TV show had talent from local TV stations. I just stuck
with it as results were getting better and better.
---------------------------
Metasearch Search Engine - Search.com
Search the Web by searching the best engines from one place.
www.search.com - More from this site - Similar pages
[ Result from Google, Bing ]
----------------------------
So I am not surprised you do not get the same answers, note the YMMV. Your
search history is different.
I could use the wrong words, misspell them, still my searches got better. It
was not me, but the search engines.
>> But the answers were not germane to the HDTV discussion so then this
>> search
>> was done:
>>
>> http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox
>>
>> Number seven down was the answer I was looking for. YMMV
>
>
> No, it didn't. And still doesn't.
>
> Start at the beginning: look up "pilloried".
>
> Oh hell, since you seem incapable of it, I'll do it for you--even using
> the same search engine you used:
>
> http://www.search.com/search?q=pilloried
That gave me nothing about HDTV in the first 10 pages I looked at.
Can you unlock me now please.
Yes, I have seen pilloried so many times before in HDTV context discussion.
From my http://www.search.com/search?q=hdtv+pilloried+letterbox run
---------------------------------------
pillarbox definition of pillarbox in the Free Online Encyclopedia.
... ratio, black bars are displayed at the left and right sides to make up
for the shorter width of the 4:3 frame. Contrast with letterbox. See HDTV
display modes.
encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.pillarbox - More from this site - Similar
pages
[ Result from Google ]
-------------------------------------
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
Gene E. Bloch
Jun 24, 2012, 6:13:50 PM6/24/12
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2012 15:05:41 -0400, Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <js7gq3$32d$1...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
>
> b) it's even WORSE for YOU to repeat the mistake DESPITE knowing it was
> a mistake
Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.
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Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
> In article <js7gq3$32d$1...@dont-email.me>, J G Miller <mil...@yoyo.ORG>
> wrote:
>
>>> pilloried?
>>>
>>> y'all wanna look *that* one up.
>>
>> I would prefer to use the term "pillarboxed" but at the time of posting
>> that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
>> mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.
>>
>> Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...
>
> a) I didn't notice it the first time it was used
>
>>> pilloried?
>>>
>>> y'all wanna look *that* one up.
>>
>> I would prefer to use the term "pillarboxed" but at the time of posting
>> that just used the term used by the original poster -- obviously my
>> mistake was in not putting quotes around the phrase.
>>
>> Funny how you did not complain about the original poster using the term ...
>
>
> b) it's even WORSE for YOU to repeat the mistake DESPITE knowing it was
> a mistake
Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.
--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)
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Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 24, 2012, 7:26:38 PM6/24/12
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"Gene E. Bloch" <not...@other.invalid> wrote in message
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I had those ideas in mind when I saw what came up.
My jokes fall flat often, he just wants to argue a point I do not care
about, I got pictures to help describe what my words failed to convey
initially.
SHF
Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 24, 2012, 10:52:39 PM6/24/12
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Hi,
Thinking more about the terms and checking the web pages, I made a error,
the statement:
"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."
Should have been:
"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed (sent
Now, on AVS, I would have been able to edit the post and correct my error.
My bad. Sorry.
BUT!
------------------------------
letterbox
The effect of displaying a wide screen movie on a standard TV set the way it
was originally shot in full panoramic format. On the TV, the image frame
spans the full width of the screen, but because of the difference in aspect
ratios of the two formats (wide screen movie vs. more square TV screen), the
vertical height of the frame is reduced. The unused top and bottom areas of
the screen appear as black bars.
------------------------------
Note the words "standard TV". I am talking about a widescreen 16:9 DTV
displaying a HD signal. On a standard TV only the top and bottom black bars
remain with cropping to 4:3.
So, maybe I am right as first stated, or maybe we need a better term.
SHF
"Stephen H. Fischer" <a_nani...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Thinking more about the terms and checking the web pages, I made a error,
the statement:
"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed and pillared (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."
"This burns me up as many programs are 16:9 letter boxed (sent
as 16:9 ) on several stations."
I repeated the error again.
Now, on AVS, I would have been able to edit the post and correct my error.
My bad. Sorry.
BUT!
------------------------------
letterbox
The effect of displaying a wide screen movie on a standard TV set the way it
was originally shot in full panoramic format. On the TV, the image frame
spans the full width of the screen, but because of the difference in aspect
ratios of the two formats (wide screen movie vs. more square TV screen), the
vertical height of the frame is reduced. The unused top and bottom areas of
the screen appear as black bars.
------------------------------
Note the words "standard TV". I am talking about a widescreen 16:9 DTV
displaying a HD signal. On a standard TV only the top and bottom black bars
remain with cropping to 4:3.
So, maybe I am right as first stated, or maybe we need a better term.
SHF
"Stephen H. Fischer" <a_nani...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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J G Miller
Jun 25, 2012, 6:09:06 AM6/25/12
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On Sunday, June 14th, 2012, at 15:13:50h -0700, Gene E. Bloch suggested:
> Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.
Elmo does not "do" irony. ;)
["do" as in "recognise" for the irony-impaired]
> Doing (b) might be thought of as humor or irony.
["do" as in "recognise" for the irony-impaired]
Gene E. Bloch
Jun 25, 2012, 2:54:03 PM6/25/12
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view video which is wider than 16:9, I get black bars top and bottom.
They're just not as high as the ones on a 4:3 set.
Anyway, the whole thing is such a mess that no one can avoid an
occasional stumble, so stop pillorying yourself :-)
Stephen H. Fischer
Jun 25, 2012, 6:06:53 PM6/25/12
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:) by ;o)
SHF
SHF
meagain
Jun 27, 2012, 2:29:19 PM6/27/12
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Elmo P. Shagnasty wrote:
> In article <jeKdnamfJIv_E3rS...@earthlink.com>,
> "pillarbox"?
>
hae hea heh
> In article <jeKdnamfJIv_E3rS...@earthlink.com>,
>> encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.pillarbox - More from this site - Similar
>> pages
>> [ Result from Google ]
>> -------------------------------------
>> http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
>
> Please tell us all, in what universe is "pilloried" the same thing as
>> pages
>> [ Result from Google ]
>> -------------------------------------
>> http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/pillarbox
>
> "pillarbox"?
>
hae hea heh
junest...@gmail.com
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This worked for me. Thanks.
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