Survivor: Denise Apologizes to Employer For Her Misstatements
Steven L.
'Survivor' tale of woe contested back home
By Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff | December 18, 2007
Denise Martin became a blue-collar folk hero on the television program
"Survivor: China," selling herself as a hardworking lunch lady from
Douglas who earned $7 an hour serving mystery meat in an elementary
school cafeteria.
During the live broadcast of the show's finale Sunday, Martin's
hard-luck story got a little harder: She described being demoted because
she had become too popular at Douglas Intermediate Elementary School.
"They didn't give me my job back," said Martin, 40, who finished fourth
in the reality show and missed the $1 million grand prize. "I'm a
janitor now. I clean toilets. I wash the floors in the bathroom. I
vacuum the kids' rugs."
The producer surprised Martin with $50,000 to help "get her life back,"
but her story is not sitting well in Douglas.
"None of that is true," said schools Superintendent Nancy T. Lane, who,
like many in the rural town 50 miles southwest of Boston, had been
faithfully watching the show. "It made me sit up on the couch . . .
flabbergasted."
Lane said Martin was hired as a cafeteria worker at $7.37 an hour in
2004, but was promoted on March 30 this year to janitor, a job that now
pays her more than $17 an hour. The promotion to janitor, Lane said,
came before Martin even tried out for "Survivor."
Martin could not be reached yesterday for comment. Lane said Martin
apologized yesterday by phone from Hollywood.
Since the finale aired on CBS, the computer server at the Douglas Public
Schools office has crashed under thousands of "vitriolic" e-mails from
as far away as South Korea.
Lane spent much of her day on the phone with a lawyer for CBS, but was
given little solace.
"They did explain to me today that reality doesn't necessarily mean
factual," she said.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/12/18/survivor_tale_of_woe_contested_back_home/
[
Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe they
were right just this once.
]
--
Steven L.
Email: sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Obveeus
"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> [
> Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe they
> were right just this once.
> ]
Survivor isn't the 'fake', though. Denise is the fake.
The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is silly
for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt, they
are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from employment
and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
do...@webtv.net
but maybe the puppet master in THIS scam was Fatty McHusband.
:-)
DC
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
Fired for what? Playing a game?
Dubya
Unsure what that last comment is supposed to mean, but I think
Denise's quote about reality versus fact is interesting. Evidently
her previous understanding was that reality could be "made up" as
needed ???
Steven L.
Do you remember this classic game show (today we might consider it a
reality show):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_for_a_Day
Denise just reinvented it--and won it.
> but I think
> Denise's quote about reality versus fact is interesting.
That quote was from Ms. Lane, Denise's employer.
Sounded delightfully postmodern, didn't it.
Steven L.
> The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is silly
> for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt, they
> are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from employment
> and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
She's a government employee, not an independent contractor, yes? So
presumably there's a long due process they have to go through before she
can be fired.
All Denise did was lie about her employer's behavior (the local
government) in public. It won't be easy to get her fired just for that.
In fact, it happens all the time, as you hear on the news.
Whistleblower laws and other protections make it difficult to fire a
government employee just for griping about how she's treated on the job.
If Denise had been telling the truth, she would definitely have been
covered by the whistleblower laws. How her misstatements will be dealt
with is an open question.
The only one who suffered real damages was Mark Burnett Productions
(they're out $50,000). He got defrauded, not the Douglas MA school system.
SoHillsGuy
wrote:
> Waiving the right to remain silent, DC <DC7...@hotmail.com> said:
>
>
>
> > In article <fk8h5f$2l...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >> "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> > [
> >> > Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe
> >> > they were right just this once.
> >> > ]
>
> >> Survivor isn't the 'fake', though. Denise is the fake.
>
> >> The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is
> >> silly for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No
> >> doubt, they are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her
> >> from employment and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity
> >> to die down.
>
> > Fired for what? Playing a game?
>
>
> --
> Larry J. - Remove spamtrap in ALLCAPS to e-mail
>
> "A lack of common sense is now considered a disability,
> with all the privileges that this entails."
The title of this thread is certainly a bit misleading, as it never
appears that Denise has apologized, at least in this article.
bob wald
back to her old job after survivor.
maybe they mislead her.
maybe they said do this new job or the highway denise....
no1 knows....
maybe denise is taking the fall to keep her job now?
who knows????
bob wald
she said she had a new job. ''true''.
she said she didnt like the new job she had to take. ''true''.
Whats the problem????
bob wald
think..
did cbs tell denise to say that to stur up interest in survivor?????hmmm
i'm sure the moneys cbs has made off calls on denises behalf has more
than cover $50000.
maybe 10times it....$$$$$$
while she was on survivor the calls denise has got i meant.
tricks...@yahoo.com
>
> [
> Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe they
> were right just this once.
> ]
>
> --
> Steven L.
> Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
Well duh! Do you see anywhere in your life that a severly anorexic
girl would even stay till the end of any competition, especially one
as Survivor?
bob wald
kenny blankenship
<7bd64cad-76c2-4b19...@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
SoHillsGuy <jerr...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The title of this thread is certainly a bit misleading, as it never
> appears that Denise has apologized, at least in this article.
Did you miss this paragraph?
Hunter
says...
> [In today's Boston Globe:]
>
> 'Survivor' tale of woe contested back home
>
> By Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff | December 18, 2007
>
> Denise Martin became a blue-collar folk hero on the television program
> "Survivor: China," selling herself as a hardworking lunch lady from
> Douglas who earned $7 an hour serving mystery meat in an elementary
> school cafeteria.
>
> During the live broadcast of the show's finale Sunday, Martin's
> hard-luck story got a little harder: She described being demoted because
> she had become too popular at Douglas Intermediate Elementary School.
>
> "They didn't give me my job back," said Martin, 40, who finished fourth
> in the reality show and missed the $1 million grand prize. "I'm a
> janitor now. I clean toilets. I wash the floors in the bathroom. I
> vacuum the kids' rugs."
>
> The producer surprised Martin with $50,000 to help "get her life back,"
> but her story is not sitting well in Douglas.
>
> "None of that is true," said schools Superintendent Nancy T. Lane, who,
> like many in the rural town 50 miles southwest of Boston, had been
> faithfully watching the show. "It made me sit up on the couch . . .
> flabbergasted."
Oh man, and I just posted saying how I felt sorry for her and ripping the
school! I guess I should had read the post here first!
>
> Lane said Martin was hired as a cafeteria worker at $7.37 an hour in
> 2004, but was promoted on March 30 this year to janitor, a job that now
> pays her more than $17 an hour. The promotion to janitor, Lane said,
> came before Martin even tried out for "Survivor."
She flat out lied. Give the $50,000 back you mullett headed....
> Martin could not be reached yesterday for comment. Lane said Martin
> apologized yesterday by phone from Hollywood.
How about doing it publicly?
>
> Since the finale aired on CBS, the computer server at the Douglas Public
> Schools office has crashed under thousands of "vitriolic" e-mails from
> as far away as South Korea.
Well I got my wish and the school looked liked the bad guy. Too bad the
shool is actually innocent.
> Lane spent much of her day on the phone with a lawyer for CBS, but was
> given little solace.
Give the $50,000 back you mullett headed.....
>
> "They did explain to me today that reality doesn't necessarily mean
> factual," she said.
>
> http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/12/18/survivor_tale_of_woe_contested_back_home/
>
> [
> Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe they
> were right just this once.
> ]
Actually I think he means while the responses are real that doesn't mean
they are true. The lies are part of the reality.
This give credence that it is NOT fake. If someone planed out using this
so easily and quickly to disprove story then I can't see anyone being
able to keep anything secret over there. They would be too stupid.
I hope CBS didn't get a chance to cut a check yet and give it to her. If
so....
Give the $50,000 back you mullett headed....
To the school management: I apologize deeply to you all. Now really fire
the pig! I don't see how she can show her face at that school again
anyway but if she does....
--
----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
Hunter
6e55c1...@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, tricks...@yahoo.com says...
Lacking real evidence of fraud you are going to grab on to the lie of the
Lunch Cow to discredit "Suvivor" without real evidence. Sorry. No one can
keep a secret like that. If anything this helps prove that "Suvivor" is
not fake. Who would be stupid enough tell a preplanned lie like that? Of
course not. Like the "Lunch Cow"'s lie it would had soon come to the
surface if she was. People are making the same wrong assumptions of
Courtney they made for Daniele on "Big Brother 8". And why would they
risk the liability of using an actual anorexic person? How would
that be good publicity? You think the show will survive that death on
the show? Well Duh no.
Until I see a story breaking about how a doctor has treated her for an
eating disorder I will believe her when she says it is genetic. That kind
of story would had broke almost as soon as the first episode aired just
like the Lunch Cow's lie.
Hunter
says...
>
> "Steven L." <sdli...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > [
> > Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe they
> > were right just this once.
> > ]
>
>
> Survivor isn't the 'fake', though. Denise is the fake.
Agreed.
>
> The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is silly
> for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt, they
> are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from employment
> and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
Let us hope she is fired.
Hunter
DC7...@hotmail.com says...
for Slandering the school and all those who is responsible for her
employment. Did you read where the School was getting hate E-mails, some
of them no doubt some of them personal attacks against the people they
held responsible for sacking her? How about people being in your face for
supposedly firing the poor launch lady? People lives are affected by lies
like this.
Hunter
2a1253...@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, jerr...@comcast.net says...
Denise apologized by phone to Superintendent Nancy T. Lane according to
the story, but she haven't said anything publicly as far as I know.
Garondo Marondo
>
> 'Survivor' tale of woe contested back home
>
> By Andrew Ryan, Globe Staff | December 18, 2007
> Lane said Martin was hired as a cafeteria worker at $7.37 an hour in
> 2004, but was promoted on March 30 this year to janitor, a job that now
> pays her more than $17 an hour. The promotion to janitor, Lane said,
> came before Martin even tried out for "Survivor."
17 and hour not 7? That stupid bitch! Wow, she should feel so much
shame for pulling that shit on tv.
Hunter
says...
> Obveeus wrote:
>
> > The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is silly
> > for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt, they
> > are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from employment
> > and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
>
> She's a government employee, not an independent contractor, yes? So
> presumably there's a long due process they have to go through before she
> can be fired.
>
> All Denise did was lie about her employer's behavior (the local
> government) in public. It won't be easy to get her fired just for that.
> In fact, it happens all the time, as you hear on the news.
> Whistleblower laws and other protections make it difficult to fire a
> government employee just for griping about how she's treated on the job.
> If Denise had been telling the truth, she would definitely have been
> covered by the whistleblower laws. How her misstatements will be dealt
> with is an open question.
It was a flat out lie so she isn't covered by the Whisteblower laws. You
are right generally about the other protections though.
> The only one who suffered real damages was Mark Burnett Productions
> (they're out $50,000). He got defrauded, not the Douglas MA school system.
You are forgetting the personal affects of those people thought was
responsible for firing Denise with the ugly E-mails and the condemnation
from their neighbors (it is a small town remember). And hopefully Mark
Burnett Productions hasn't cut her a check yet so I doubt they are out
the money. They don't have to give it to her, after all they won't suffer
any bad publicity for not paying out based on a vicious lie.
Personally I don't know how she can show her face around town.
Ron
> In article <7bd64cad-76c2-4b19-940c-
> 2a125305b...@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>, jerryg...@comcast.net says...
She did this morning on the Early Show.
Hunter
D_D...@hotmail.com says...
It wasn't Denise's quote but the explaination by the Burnett Production
lawyers. I probably went that while the statement was untrue it is
reality. That is the show is not made up but that does not mean the
contestants will tell the truth about themselves. Burnett Productions are
not responsible for that, which they aren't. It was Denise's lie to make
up, not Burnett Productions.
Hunter
bob36...@webtv.net says...
> she said she ws fired from her old job..''true''
False! She was promoted! From a $10 a hour job to a $17 per hour one.
When you here of people being fired do you think they are promoted? No.
She lied.
>
> she said she had a new job. ''true''.
False! She was promoted and she gave the impression she was fired by
saying things didn't go well for her. She lied.
>
> she said she didnt like the new job she had to take. ''true''.
> Whats the problem????
That may be true about her cleaning toliets but she wasn't fired. Are you
being facious? I don't get how you don't see what she did was wrong.
M. Halbrook
@news.verizon.net:
> Fired for what? Playing a game?
>
Slander, lible, defamation of character.
Hunter
And it was a complete lie.
Ron
> In article <26675-476806C2-...@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>,
> bob36sw...@webtv.net says...> she said she ws fired from her old job..''true''
>
> ---
> False! She was promoted! From a $10 a hour job to a $17 per hour one.
$7 to $17!
Hunter
She lied. She said she was let go because her celebrity became a problem.
She gave the impression that she had to take a janitor's job because she
lost her cafeteria job. Those are flat out lies.
Hunter
False! She was promoted! From a $10 a hour job to a $17 per hour one.
She lied.
>
False! She was promoted and she gave the impression she was fired by
saying things didn't go well for her. She lied.
>
> Whats the problem????
That may be true about her cleaning toliets but she wasn't fired. Are you
being facious? I don't get how you don't see what she did was wrong.
Seerialmom
> "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > [
> > were right just this once.
> > ]
>
>
> The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is silly
> for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt, they
> are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from employment
> and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
It's not like the school district is losing sales by having Denise as
an employee; however if I were the one doing performance reviews
during her probationary period I might be a bit tougher on her. But
there's no justifiable firing offense here. Burnett, on the other
hand, could withdraw his offer of $50K.
Seerialmom
> In article <DC7070-CDC0AA.09284418122...@news.verizon.net>,
> DC7...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
> > In article <fk8h5f$2l...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> > "Obveeus" <Obve...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Steven L." <sdlit...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > > > [
> > > > Well, some folks have always claimed that Survivor is fake. Maybe they
> > > > were right just this once.
> > > > ]
>
> > > Survivor isn't the 'fake', though. Denise is the fake.
>
> > > The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is silly
> > > for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt, they
> > > are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from employment
> > > and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
>
> > Fired for what? Playing a game?
>
> ---
> for Slandering the school and all those who is responsible for her
> employment. Did you read where the School was getting hate E-mails, some
> of them no doubt some of them personal attacks against the people they
> held responsible for sacking her? How about people being in your face for
> supposedly firing the poor launch lady? People lives are affected by lies
> like this.
> --
> ----->Hunter
>
> "No man in the wrong can stand up against
> a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
>
> -----William J. McDonald
>
> - Show quoted text -
Now that would be a fireable offense. She did open a can of worms by
saying she "lost her lunch lady job" by being on Survivor. Should be
interesting to see how this all plays out.
Dubya
<use...@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote:
>Waiving the right to remain silent, bob36...@webtv.net (bob wald) said:
>
>> she said she ws fired from her old job..''true''
>
>Not true.
>
>> she said she had a new job. ''true''.
>
>Not true.
>
>> she said she didnt like the new job she had to take. ''true''.
>
>Not true.
>
>> Whats the problem????
>
>Your reading comprehension.
rotflmao - Excellent response !!! I started to respond to bob as well
but figured it would not be worth the effort since he obviously did
not have a clue.
bob wald
shes working somewheres else..
maybe shes making twice as much but working twice as hard.. n dont want
it. but its that or nothing...
you people really are not very smart.
Elle
> She did open a can of worms by
> saying she "lost her lunch lady job" by being on Survivor.
> Should be
> interesting to see how this all plays out.
The exact quote appears to be: "They didn't give me my job
back," Martin, 40, said during the live broadcast. "I'm a
janitor now. I clean the toilets. I wash the floors in the
bathrooms. I vacuum the kids' rugs."
See cbsnews.com. Search for {Denise Martin}.
Off the top of my head, I think the Douglas public schools
system cannot sue for slander, for various legal reasons,
not the least of which it has always had a chance to respond
and set the record straight.
cloud dreamer
> In article
> <d830fdc8-907c-48a1...@c4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Lunch Lady.
>
Hell no...he's jumping for joy. He did what he did without slandering
anyone.
I hope Denise isn't the one that made the next installment of
Survivor...if that were the case, CBS must be fuming.
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
Hunter
bob36...@webtv.net says...
You have a very strange idea of being fired. She was promoted or given a
higher paying position as janitor BEFORE the show started.
Hunter
68d277...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, BigEL...@msn.com says...
Yep I know that now.
SoHillsGuy
> In article
> <7bd64cad-76c2-4b19-940c-2a125305b...@b1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
>
> SoHillsGuy <jerryg...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > The title of this thread is certainly a bit misleading, as it never
> > appears that Denise has apologized, at least in this article.
>
>
> "Martin could not be reached yesterday for comment. Lane said
> Martin apologized yesterday by phone from Hollywood."
Okay, I did miss the second sentence. Still, an apology reported from
a second-hand source shouldn't warrant a headline.
cloud dreamer
I wonder how she explained telling an outright lie on national tv...
kenny blankenship
<83a46125-50e7-4163...@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>,
SoHillsGuy <jerr...@comcast.net> wrote:
The "second hand source" is the person being apologized too. I would
call Ms. Lane a first hand source, she was present and witnessed the
apology when it happened.
Obveeus
"cloud dreamer" <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
> I wonder how she explained telling an outright lie on national tv...
Watch her explanation here:
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3628035n
She does not believe that she lied. It was all just a big misunderstanding.
cloud dreamer
Damn. Doesn't play for me.
Obveeus
"cloud dreamer" <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
> Obveeus wrote:
>> "cloud dreamer" <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder how she explained telling an outright lie on national tv...
>>
>> Watch her explanation here:
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3628035n
>>
>> She does not believe that she lied. It was all just a big
>> misunderstanding.
>
>
> Damn. Doesn't play for me.
You know that if you flew south for the winter like a normal creature...
;-)
Her explanation was that she did indeed apply for and accept the janitorial
job before she went on Survivor. When she came back, she realized that she
wanted to spend more time with her family so she asked for her old job back.
Apparently her version of 'asked' simply meant that she asked the head
person on the lunch lady crew. She still whined that that request was
turned down without explanation. She claimed that she didn't mean to
mislead anyone.
The principal pointed out that Denise did not make her job change (back to
her old job) request official. In other words, she never asked the
principal or the HR head that would control job changes for the lunch lady
position. If she was told by the lunch lady head of staff that she couldn't
have her 'old job' back, it was because that job is currently filled. The
principal stated that she could apply for it and wait for the next available
position as is the standard job change proceedure which Denise knows, having
done it before to get the janitorial job in the first place.
cloud dreamer
Wow. There's a difference between being "demoted" and asking for her old
job back. Even without the lack of official status to asking, it's still
miles from what her description was on the show. Certainly no mention of
the doubling of pay. She was whining for attention...and she got it.
Shameful.
Obveeus
"cloud dreamer" <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
> Wow. There's a difference between being "demoted" and asking for her old
> job back. Even without the lack of official status to asking, it's still
> miles from what her description was on the show.
Yep. It was a demotion in Denise's mind only. She might truly consider it
to be a 'lowlier' job, but the massive increase in pay and move to full-time
hours isn't something that many people would agree is a 'demotion'.
Rick
"kenny blankenship" <bl...@blank.blank> wrote in message
news:blank-C7A151....@news.telus.net...
Millions of viewers saw Denise apologize on the CBS Early Morning show
today...
Roarmeister
<kata...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:36:24 -0800 (PST) tricks...@yahoo.com
>(tricks...@yahoo.com) stepped to the mic and said...
>
>> Well duh! Do you see anywhere in your life that a severly anorexic
>> girl would even stay till the end of any competition, especially one
>> as Survivor?
>>
>If you, and everyone else, continues to insist that Courtney is anorexic
>I suggest that you watch the program "Insider" at 7:30pm EST. They are
>doing a piece on an unrecognizable actress named Isabelle who is
>"severely anorexic" and the difference between Courtney (and Keira
>Knightly, BTW) with her thin ectomorphic build and this Insider actress
>is the difference between night and day. This woman can barely hold
>herself erect. Courtney functioned the whole 39 days perfectly fine.
>This woman truly is just skin and bones, and sagging skin at that.
>Courtney doesn't even come close. Remember Karen Carpenter before she
>died. Can anyone honestly say that Courtney comes anywhere close to how
>she looked?
Actually Karen was back up to near normal weight (115-120?) after her
anorexia. It was her heart that gave out after the weight
fluctuations. But I know what you mean, she was scary thin in a lot
of her earlier pictures - somewhere in the 80-85 lb range I believe.
Which is not far from the weight Courtney had at the end of the show.
But the difference is, she played a mean set of drums while Courtney
couldn't swing a knife with 2 hands in one of the earlier challenges!
John Duncan Yoyo
She may have preferred normal hours to the money for an odd shift.
--
John Duncan Yoyo
------------------------------o)
Save the Cheerleader-
Collect the whole set.
Barry Margolin
Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <13mftm2...@corp.supernews.com>, sdli...@earthlink.net
> says...
> > Obveeus wrote:
> >
> > > The only question I have is: why has she not yet been fired? It is
> > > silly
> > > for the school district to put up with this for even 1 day. No doubt,
> > > they
> > > are waiting for the Christmas break so they can remove her from
> > > employment
> > > and have 2 weeks of non-school time for the publicity to die down.
> >
> > She's a government employee, not an independent contractor, yes? So
> > presumably there's a long due process they have to go through before she
> > can be fired.
> >
> > All Denise did was lie about her employer's behavior (the local
> > government) in public. It won't be easy to get her fired just for that.
> > In fact, it happens all the time, as you hear on the news.
> > Whistleblower laws and other protections make it difficult to fire a
> > government employee just for griping about how she's treated on the job.
> > If Denise had been telling the truth, she would definitely have been
> > covered by the whistleblower laws. How her misstatements will be dealt
> > with is an open question.
> ----
> It was a flat out lie so she isn't covered by the Whisteblower laws. You
> are right generally about the other protections though.
It wasn't a flat out lie. She said that she didn't get her old job
(lunch lady) back, and that's technically true. Before she went on the
show she applied for a different job (janitor), and that's the job she
returned to. But she'd changed her mind about wanting the new job, and
hasn't been able to return to the old one.
The way she said it may have suggested that she was demoted, but she
never actually said this. She was just upset that she's not able to do
the job she now wants, and this emotion apparently colored the way she
described it.
Yes, she may have given a poor impression of her school district, but it
seems to me like it was inadvertent, possibly a consequence of the
pressure of being on TV.
--
Barry Margolin, bar...@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group ***
jobb...@comcast.net
Look, Probst stated a couple of times that Denise had a very different
response than James when she returned home before asking her what
happened. Clearly, Probst and all the producers knew exactly what
Denise's story was before she told it on air, so the whole "Burnett
just heard your story backstage" was totally staged. And the fact
that Denise has these lame excuses makes me believe that it was the
show's producers that came up with the story for her to tell. $50,000
is not a lot to pay for the kind of attention this has garnered for
Survivor... although, I'll bet Denise wishes she had not gone along
with it now.
Dubya
Wow. What a conspiracy theory. And like most good conspiracy
theories, it has a ring of truthiness*.
*truthiness - Copyright 2006 Stephen Colbert
azurespirit
"Hunter" <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.21d20aa81...@news.optonline.net...
> In article <26675-476...@storefull-3177.bay.webtv.net>,
> bob36...@webtv.net says...
>> maybe denise was moved to a job she didnt want but just thought shed go
>> back to her old job after survivor.
>> maybe they mislead her.
>> maybe they said do this new job or the highway denise....
>> no1 knows....
>> maybe denise is taking the fall to keep her job now?
>> who knows????
> ----
> She lied. She said she was let go because her celebrity became a problem.
> She gave the impression that she had to take a janitor's job because she
> lost her cafeteria job. Those are flat out lies.
> --
> ----->Hunter
>
> "No man in the wrong can stand up against
> a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
>
> -----William J. McDonald
> Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
>
Well, Survivor also lied then when promoting her as a "lunch lady" when she
was already a night custodian. I don't know why they just didn't go with
that to start with. I wonder if the third graders still all like her?
cloud dreamer
No. She said she was "demoted" to janitor on her return because she was
too well known. That is a flat out lie.
Not once did she say she "asked" for the janitor job BEFORE she left or
that it was better pay...and that the job had been awarded to her. Not
once did she say SHE decided she wanted the old job back (now filled by
someone else because she had accepted the janitor job).
The only part that was "technically true" (and it's a stretch) was that
she couldn't get her old job back when she did "ask" her old boss but
she never went through official channels to make the request and was
told she could apply for the position when it was available.
She lied. Flat out lied.
do...@webtv.net
due to her government job...BUT...
as often happens...they can find many things wrong (write-ups?) for less
than perfect job performance.
She could be watched closely and would have to be sure and do nothing
wrong.
Normally no big thing...but after the 'fame', media exposure and
money...it may be harder for her to do the mundane job tasks.
Anim8rFSK
Roarmeister <Ebnezr...@argfpncr.arg> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:01:56 -0500, Jeri Jo Thomas
> <kata...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:36:24 -0800 (PST) tricks...@yahoo.com
> >(tricks...@yahoo.com) stepped to the mic and said...
> >
> >> Well duh! Do you see anywhere in your life that a severly anorexic
> >> girl would even stay till the end of any competition, especially one
> >> as Survivor?
> >>
> >If you, and everyone else, continues to insist that Courtney is anorexic
> >I suggest that you watch the program "Insider" at 7:30pm EST. They are
> >doing a piece on an unrecognizable actress named Isabelle who is
> >"severely anorexic" and the difference between Courtney (and Keira
> >Knightly, BTW) with her thin ectomorphic build and this Insider actress
> >is the difference between night and day. This woman can barely hold
> >herself erect. Courtney functioned the whole 39 days perfectly fine.
> >This woman truly is just skin and bones, and sagging skin at that.
> >Courtney doesn't even come close. Remember Karen Carpenter before she
> >died. Can anyone honestly say that Courtney comes anywhere close to how
> >she looked?
>
> Actually Karen was back up to near normal weight (115-120?) after her
> anorexia. It was her heart that gave out after the weight
> fluctuations.
Yep. The cure killed her, not the disease.
--
R.I.P. Bionic Woman:
The latest reason the WGA should revoke Laeta Kalogridis's union card,
or shut their doors in shame.
do...@webtv.net
"you bunch of nutss! she was fired!!!!!
shes working somewheres else..
maybe shes making twice as much but working twice as hard.. n dont want
it. but its that or nothing...
you people really are not very smart."
How can you argue with the 'perfesser'?
:-)
Hunter
I have this feeling that it was Denise that told them to refer to her as
the "Lunch Lady" don't you? I don't see anything for MB Productions to
gain by calling her a "Lunch Lady" over a "Night Custodian". If she lied
about how she got her job why not lie about the job she had to MB
Productions and CBS?
Dubya
And that is probably more the impetus for her lying. She feels that
she is now famous and should not be doing those "lowly" tasks.
Plus, now some of the kids I am sure DO recognize her. No longer is
she an anonymous, invisible school drone. Now she is the one everyone
laughs and points at as the Survivor loser who stupidly plodded along
a path of doom instead of being smart enough to make strategic moves,
the one who performed more dismally at challenges than virtually any
previous player and the flabby lard-ball who showed way too much skin
on national TV.
bob wald
never apologize...
thats like admitting you done something wrong...
well she can be sued now.. n her apology
as proof she did something wrong....
denise..call me.. you need to lawyer up. with the right lawyer..no open
end fees for your attorney!
put a cap on him...lol he'll catch a cold...lol
Bigolhomo
wrote:
>In article <22725-476...@storefull-3174.bay.webtv.net>,
>bob36...@webtv.net says...
>> you bunch of nutss! she was fired!!!!!
>> shes working somewheres else..
>> maybe shes making twice as much but working twice as hard.. n dont want
>> it. but its that or nothing...
>> you people really are not very smart.
>---
>You have a very strange idea of being fired. She was promoted or given a
>higher paying position as janitor BEFORE the show started.
I wouldn't call it a promotion. She simply took a different job at
the school.
--
Bigolhomo
Anim8rFSK
Bigolhomo <br...@whatever.com> wrote:
That paid 2.5x as much as her old job.
kenny blankenship
"azurespirit" <gkn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Survivor also lied then when promoting her as a "lunch lady"
> when she was already a night custodian. I don't know why they just
> didn't go with that to start with. I wonder if the third graders
> still all like her?
From what I've pieced together, she was a lunch lady (shouldn't that be
lunch person?) when she applied and would have put that on her
application. She may well have just not bothered to update it.
kenny blankenship
Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> People lives are affected by lies like this.
Are those people on TV? No? Then what's it matter?
:) smiley included for the humour impaired.
kenny blankenship
Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Until I see a story breaking about how a doctor has treated her for
> an eating disorder I will believe her when she says it is genetic.
Genetics, and she doesn't eat very much, and she doesn't exercise or
strength train.
kenny blankenship
Jeri Jo Thomas <kata...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> If you, and everyone else, continues to insist that Courtney is
> anorexic I suggest that you watch the program "Insider" at 7:30pm
> EST. They are doing a piece on an unrecognizable actress named
> Isabelle who is "severely anorexic" and the difference between
> Courtney (and Keira Knightly, BTW) with her thin ectomorphic build
> and this Insider actress is the difference between night and day.
You don't have to be near death to have anorexia nervosa, just like you
don't have to be a homeless bum to be an alcoholic.
cloud dreamer
Not all underweight people undereat....just like not all overweight
people overeat.
kenny blankenship
cloud dreamer <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
> kenny blankenship wrote:
>
> > You don't have to be near death to have anorexia nervosa, just like
> > you don't have to be a homeless bum to be an alcoholic.
>
> Not all underweight people undereat....just like not all overweight
> people overeat.
Yes they do. I don't count swallowing food then regurgitating it, eating
it. Yes some very small percentage fat people have a thyroid problem,
but that just means they overeat for their condition.
You can't gain weight without consuming more calories than you burn.
You can't lose weight without consuming fewer calories than you burn.
And before someone tries to make the stupid argument about exercise
levels, you can increase or decrease your weight while eating the same
amount of food by altering how many calories you burn.
For purposes of this discussion "consume calories" means having the food
energy absorbed into your blood stream. Stomach surgery or laxatives
(for example) allow you to absorb a smaller percentage of the calories
in the food you ingested than you would otherwise.
kenny blankenship
Jeri Jo Thomas <kata...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Nevertheless, I don't believe Courtney is anorexic. She might not be
> a big eater, but she's an eater.
From Wikipedia (so you know it's true :)
"Anorexia nervosa is a psychiatric diagnosis that describes an
eating disorder characterized by low body weight and body image
distortion with an obsessive fear of gaining weight."
I certainly don't know Courtney well enough to make a diagnosis to
whether she has or doesn't have Anorexia Nervosa. My not being a
psychiatrist doesn't help. She commented about being fat at the reunion
show but I didn't catch exactly what she said. I do think she was saying
it in a joking manner though so I don't think it points to AN.
cloud dreamer
> In article <13mm68n...@news.supernews.com>,
> cloud dreamer <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
>
>> kenny blankenship wrote:
>>
>>> You don't have to be near death to have anorexia nervosa, just like
>>> you don't have to be a homeless bum to be an alcoholic.
>> Not all underweight people undereat....just like not all overweight
>> people overeat.
>
> Yes they do. I don't count swallowing food then regurgitating it, eating
> it. Yes some very small percentage fat people have a thyroid problem,
> but that just means they overeat for their condition.
Thyroid is not the only thing that can contribute to being overweight.
do...@webtv.net
"I certainly don't know Courtney well enough to make a diagnosis to
whether she has or doesn't have Anorexia Nervosa. My not being a
psychiatrist doesn't help."
Correct.
The only one here qualified to diagnose is 'Perfesser Wald.'
do...@webtv.net
"Not all underweight people undereat....just like not all overweight
people overeat."
Is that sorta like that...
"You can fool all of the people some of the time...and some of the
people all of the time" thingie? :-)
Scout Lady
"Obveeus" <Obv...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:fk9tjh$egg$1...@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "cloud dreamer" <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
>
>> Obveeus wrote:
>>> "cloud dreamer" <St...@Global.Warming> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder how she explained telling an outright lie on national tv...
>>>
>>> Watch her explanation here:
>>> http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3628035n
>>>
>>> She does not believe that she lied. It was all just a big
>>> misunderstanding.
>>
>>
>> Damn. Doesn't play for me.
>
> You know that if you flew south for the winter like a normal creature...
> ;-)
>
> Her explanation was that she did indeed apply for and accept the
> janitorial job before she went on Survivor. When she came back, she
> realized that she wanted to spend more time with her family so she asked
> for her old job back. Apparently her version of 'asked' simply meant that
> she asked the head person on the lunch lady crew. She still whined that
> that request was turned down without explanation. She claimed that she
> didn't mean to mislead anyone.
>
> The principal pointed out that Denise did not make her job change (back to
> her old job) request official. In other words, she never asked the
> principal or the HR head that would control job changes for the lunch lady
> position. If she was told by the lunch lady head of staff that she
> couldn't have her 'old job' back, it was because that job is currently
> filled. The principal stated that she could apply for it and wait for the
> next available position as is the standard job change proceedure which
> Denise knows, having done it before to get the janitorial job in the first
> place.
>
I still think part of the problem was that Denise was named as the lunch
lady by the producers when that was no longer the case and she was trying to
juggle and maintain that lie with her present situation. I simply don't
think lying is her norm or we would have seen her do so during the show and
I don't think she can think fast on her feet and this situation is what
resulted. I also think she is still feeling sorry for herself for not
winning hence the woe is me attitude. I don't care for that attitude as she
had an amazing experience and Peih-Gee provided her with a once in a
lifetime opportunity that most karate instructor/students would have given
their eye teeth for.
Maybe it is me but I got bad vibes from that principle, she appeared to be
cold and a bit condescending to me. I also thought the statement was enough
and the tv match up was over the top.
shawn
I think it's safe to say her comment was meant in a joking manner
given the smile and the laugh and that her voice went much like it has
with the rest of her sarcastic responses to questions. ;)
spam...@example.com
[Denise "woe is me"]
> winning hence the woe is me attitude. I don't care for that attitude
> as she had an amazing experience and Peih-Gee provided her with a
> once in a lifetime opportunity that most karate instructor/students
> would have given their eye teeth for.
As lovely a reward as that was - and it was wonderful - the
Shaolin Temple is nowhere near as remote or exclusive or
whatever as it was portrayed in the commentary by JP.
It's, in the words of a martial artist friend of mine,
"a big tourist trap". I'm not sure if it's quite that
bad, but it's a major tourist stop which has, since it
opened to the public for tourism, "attracted nearly
three million domestic and oversea tourists".
There was a big uproar in '06 when a luxury sports car
was given as a gift to the abbot of the temple to
honor his contributions to the local tourist industry.
Obviously, Survivor paid them up enough to clear the
place of non-Survivor tourists so they could film
those shots which made it look like the Survivors were
the only non-monk folks around. Probably made it even
nicer than it is - but it's certainly available to anyone
who tours China. Likely out of the reach of a typical
lunch-lady's family, but certainly not out of reach for
any American tourist who can afford to travel overseas.
--
do...@webtv.net
"I think it's safe to say her comment was meant in a joking manner given
the smile and the laugh and that her voice went much like it has with
the rest of her sarcastic responses to questions. ;)"
However...she didn't do the big 'eye roll' that made her a legend. :)
Obveeus
"Scout Lady" <scou...@noospam.net> wrote:
> Maybe it is me but I got bad vibes from that principle, she appeared to be
> cold and a bit condescending to me.
Given how clearly she and the school had been wronged, I wasn't surprised by
the fact that the principal approached the subject in a very careful,
methodical manner to make sure everything said in the interview was
accurate. Schools should hope for quality leadership like thta.
>I also thought the statement was enough and the tv match up was over the
>top.
I thought that it was pretty silly that this whole thing was on TV as well.
However, The Early Show isn't really a news show, it is a morning
entertainment show. So, maybe I shouldn't be surprised that they would
devote a segment of their national show to clearing up a local media story
simply because it helped advertise their primetime fare.
Obveeus
<spam...@example.com> wrote:
> As lovely a reward as that was - and it was wonderful - the
> Shaolin Temple is nowhere near as remote or exclusive or
> whatever as it was portrayed in the commentary by JP.
The show didn't say that no one got to see the temple, just that very few
visitors got to spend the night there.
That being said, I think this season's China locale did more of a tourist
infomercial than any of the past seasons have done for their locale. I
think that is a good thing. The more people all interact (financially and
culturally), the less likely they are to feel the need to claim superiority
or go to war.
spam...@example.com
> That being said, I think this season's China locale did more of a tourist
> infomercial than any of the past seasons have done for their locale. I
> think that is a good thing. The more people all interact (financially and
> culturally), the less likely they are to feel the need to claim superiority
> or go to war.
Survivor: Iran
d'oh.
(just kidding around. you're right, of course)
--
shawn
I agree. I was really unhappy we didn't get to see more of the area
the Survivors were in when in Guatemala. They really should have spent
more time on the ruins and the area around there. As it was it could
have been anywhere with old ruins (and yes.. there are quite a few
places like that especially in Central America.)
cloud dreamer
>
Yup...time for Survivor: Baffin Island
cloud dreamer
> On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 17:03:23 -0330 cloud dreamer (St...@Global.Warming)
> stepped to the mic and said...
>
>>> I'm growing weary of tropical islands and jungles. Enough, already...
>>>
>>
>> Yup...time for Survivor: Baffin Island
>
> people away. Do you think the women will be able to hang around in
> scanti-panties and bra there? Baffin Island, for instance is NORTH of
> Canada, has polar bears and no trees. It's cold, even in summer,
> practically at the North Pole, and what are they supposed to eat? So
> their lives will be in danger and there's nothing to burn and nothing to
> build with and they're starving even more than normal. If production
> provides them with housing, clothing, material for fires, and food, then
> the cachet of being a survivor gets lost in the details. Besides Baffin
> is a national park.
>
> So I'd guess that considering someplace that's cold and treeless, or
> cold and rainy, as opposed to warm and rainy like China is probably not
> given much weight by the producers.
*****WHOOSH*****
kenny blankenship
Jeri Jo Thomas <kata...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Baffin Island, for instance is NORTH of Canada, has polar bears and
> no trees.
I'm pretty sure the Canadians that live there would be surprised to find
out that Baffin Island is not part of Canada.
kenny blankenship
shawn <nanof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think it's safe to say her comment was meant in a joking manner
> given the smile and the laugh and that her voice went much like it
> has with the rest of her sarcastic responses to questions. ;)
The joking manner could also be a coping mechanism to cover the truth...
kenny blankenship
cloud dreamer <Global_...@is.real> wrote:
> Thyroid is not the only thing that can contribute to being overweight.
They all do have one thing in common, they consume more calories then
they burn.
MaryB
cloud dreamer <Global_...@is.real> wrote:
Thyroid doesn't even contribute to being overweight if you take the
little pill that fixes that (costs about $3 a month generic.)
I have had hypothyroidism for 25 years, and I have never been overweight
because of it.
Likewise my mom, my uncles and aunts, my sisters, my cousins, and my
daughters.
Thyroid is no excuse for being overweight.
cloud dreamer
The blood test for thyroid disorders is far too broad. There was a time
when a TSH of 10 was considered normal and people would go years
suffering from hypothyroidism with a TSH of 6 or 8 or 9....yet the
doctors would refuse to give them the medication because the lab said
they were "normal." The threshold was lowered to around 5 in most
countries...while other countries have or want to lower it further.
Britain believes it should be as low as 1.5 if symptoms are present.
Having a thyroid condition isn't an "excuse" IF it's diagnosed. Hundreds
of thousands are walking around with undiagnosed hypothyroidism (ie
their doctors glace at the blood work, see an N in the High/Low/Normal
column and don't question the number).