could Michael have denied evacuation ?
Tim9-23
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>Could Michael have denied evacuation and kept playing?
>Tim
a) if he wanted to never use his hands functionally again, he could
have asked, even with his skin hanging off disgustingly in pale
shreds, and he might have hung on for a very little while
b) the producers would have to be idiots to accede, in the age of
lawsuits
The medically practical question that comes to my mind is this: was
the value in quenching the heat in the stream outweighed by hte risk
of getting infection in the biological environment of that particular
water? Apparently, the answer is yes, judging by the results. But that
surprised me. (In future, I bet the med techs will always keep a
supply of ice on hand, which I didn't see in this episode.)
Another posit: did Mike's religious beliefs substitute for the
promising practice of using hypnosis immediately after burn injuries
to facilitate healing and eventual near perfect recovery?
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Dave
Swaying Otis
>Could Michael have denied evacuation and kept playing?
You ever tried not shitting? It's hard.
Swaying Otis
>Could Michael have denied evacuation and kept playing?
BTW, this is the single lamest question ever asked. He was badly burned
you fool and was in excruciating pain.
I am sorry to say, but you are an idiot.
Christoph Gaard
>
>BTW, this is the single lamest question ever asked. He was badly burned
>you fool and was in excruciating pain.
>
He didn't seem to be in much pain when he was about to leave. He was smiling.
Pyrostock
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Probably due to the drugs they gave him.
Bottomline - Mike burned *both of his hands* badly. What if during a
competition Mike falls & makes his hands worse? You want to be the one to
feed him, clothe him & bathe him daily... and also when nature calls? As
someone else said, Mike didn't "outlast".
LSMant
He didn't seem to be in much pain when he was about to leave. He was smiling.
>>
It's called drugs....
DANNY MADISON MARTIN JR
Tim9-23 wrote in message ...
Trust me with those hands he couldn't have stayed. I'm sure he was sent
straight to a burn center.
Tom Francis
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> Could Michael have denied evacuation and kept playing?
~~ lurk mode off ~~
In the US, any patient can refuse any medical treatment for
any reason as long as they can prove that they are mentally
competent to make that decision.
However, in an emergency situation such as happened to
Mike, the EMS personnel can not take a chance, so if
a patient like Mike refused transport/treatment, EMS
personnel have the option to have the patient arrested
and placed in protective custody so that the patient can
be taken to the hospital where they can make a more
in-depth evaluation.
Don't know about Australia.
~~ lurk mode on ~~
garnet
Burns are very dangerous and extremely susceptible to infection. During
the interview the morning after the show aired, Mike said he didn't want
to eat at the hospital and give himself an unfair advantage if he was to
return, he was in some denial for a while. Burns are not to be fucked
around with and returning to the Outback just could not have happened.
Tom Francis
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> On Sun, 04 Mar 2001 03:22:53 GMT, Tim9-23 <fake-...@nospam.org.org>
> wrote:
>
> >Could Michael have denied evacuation and kept playing?
> >Tim
>
> a) if he wanted to never use his hands functionally again, he could
> have asked, even with his skin hanging off disgustingly in pale
> shreds, and he might have hung on for a very little while
> b) the producers would have to be idiots to accede, in the age of
> lawsuits
>
>
> The medically practical question that comes to my mind is this: was
> the value in quenching the heat in the stream outweighed by hte risk
> of getting infection in the biological environment of that particular
> water? Apparently, the answer is yes, judging by the results. But that
> surprised me. (In future, I bet the med techs will always keep a
> supply of ice on hand, which I didn't see in this episode.)
Infection was the least of his worries at that point. He did the right
thing in cooling the burn quickly. He did the wrong thing by
submerging his whole body in the water. With burns like those
a major problem is shock. He could have very easily have had
a cardiac arrest doing what he did.
Glad it worked out for him though.
coggs
mean his face, hands, chest and dick rod were burnt weanie hot dog meat.
Could mike stay in unsanitaryy living conditions after all this..???? I
think fucking not. Alicia, the monkey ass bitch was packing some ram rod
under his / her silver grundy panties. She had her eye on Mike's tender
white butt cheeks. Between the burns and Alicia's agressive need to
penetrate michael's BURNT sphinkter asshole muscle meat, michael was in deep
shit. These circumstances would have proved to befar too much for even
michael "The hunter". I love michael. He was great but now michael is gone
and thats ok cause thats where it's at.
coggs
JAYDEWITT55
serious cut. Could Michael have refused leaving the compound in favor of
whatever medical treatment was available locally?
Claire Abraham
JAYDEWITT55 wrote:
Depends on the injury. Sue got stung by a jellyfish and was allowed to
continue. I suspect the decision to continue will depend on whether or not
living in the wild is life-threatening. Mikes' burns were life-threatening
without treatment.
Rosso75
straight to a burn center.
He was. According to a story on Entertainment Tonight Michael was taken to a
hospital in Cairns (I think) where it was very quickly determined that his
burns were serious enough to require more specialized treatment. He was flown
by private jet to Brisbane where he was checked in to a hospital under a false
name and all his bills were paid in cash by Survivor (so nobody would know he
was one of the contestents). He spent 7 days in the burn ward.
Surly
> >Could Michael have denied evacuation and kept playing?
> >Tim
Mark Burnett, as cruel a man as he seems to be, does know when safety issues
supersede competition. In a recent eco-challenge (if you haven't seen it, I
strongly recommend watching it, a new one should be airing soon) he forced a
competitor to drop out after he discovered she had hidden the fact that she
had an ovarian cyst, which started to hurt a few days into the competition.
Like Survivor, if you seek medical assistance, you're out of the
competition. She was evacuated and her team disqualified, despite her
objections and pleads to stay and finish the race.
Maureen Goldman
FWIW, a skin specialist was supposed to be brought in for Colleen, had
she not been voted off. Burnett's reaction, upon hearing that Michael
had been injured, was, approx. "He's a tough guy, just patch him up
and send him back." Then the seriousness of the injuries was impressed
upon him.
I doubt very much that the contestant has any right to stay once the
producer says he must leave, particular for medical reasons. Burnett
has said that if it was something that might have brought him back in
a day or two, they would have waited... obviously not the case this
time.
Maureen Goldman
> He was. According to a story on Entertainment Tonight Michael was taken to a
> hospital in Cairns (I think) where it was very quickly determined that his
> burns were serious enough to require more specialized treatment. He was flown
> by private jet to Brisbane where he was checked in to a hospital under a false
> name and all his bills were paid in cash by Survivor (so nobody would know he
> was one of the contestents). He spent 7 days in the burn ward.
He said that he spent two weeks in hospital, then another week as an
out-patient. Lots of painful therapy afterward.
Photo Dok
that hours after the burn both his hands were swollen to the size of a baseball
glove...he would not survive the pain without treatment.
Teddi Litman
Photo Dok wrote:
The pain was one thing. If Mike had stayed in the outback with untreated third
degree burns on his hands, he likely would have developed a very bad infection that
might have required amputation of his hands or possibly have resulted in his death.
Teddi
Tim9-23
>you fool and was in excruciating pain.
>
>I am sorry to say, but you are an idiot.
People don't get to choose their intelligence.
Thomas H. West
was no rule that mandated his evacuation, Sean Kenniff of Survivor 1 was
correct that staying around would be medically unwise. That water was
polluted, which is why they had to boil it before drinking it. Had Michael
stayed around, his hands would have become quite infected, and I suspect he
would be dead, or close to it, by the time the Survivor contest ended.
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