what i think about Shii Ann (from an asian guy's perspective)
race me
thinks she's extremely hot, probably has some sort of Asian fetish. on
a scale of 1-10, if Lucy Liu is a 7, Shi Ann's a 5 or 5.5 i'm no
expert or anything, but i've seen/dated quite a few Asian girls (ok,
more like seen :) ).....and her face is kind of dorky Hong Kong chick
type. her body is slim, but she's got no ass....ok most Asians don't
have nice a's anyhoo. and no, i'm not an Asian guy who's got a
non-Asian girl fetish....
2. being alienated....well that's her problem. she's probably not very
outgoing, which is typical of Asians. it's true. ever been the only
Whiteguy in an all Asian crowd? you'll get alienated 10x worse.
especially when they start speaking in their native language. even as
a new face in an Asian church for example (where people are supposed
to come together to worship the same God)....Asians are just not very
outgoing....White people are alot more outgoing and will make greater
effort in trying to make the new guy feel welcome. being a minority
will always means that you'll be or feel alienated in one way or
another. the other tribe was extra nice to her because they wanted to
squeeze out some information and maybe get her to switch sides....she
fell for it. she's screwed. too bad. again, $1 million is at stake
here...obviously someone's going to try to make a case against you to
strenthen their own position or alliance.
3. Shii Ann vs. Rob...i didn't catch all the episodes, but this guy
Rob seems to be an uneducated goon. what do you expect? during one
tribal council (the one where he was complaining about Shii Ann's
eating habits), he was going back and forth like a little kid against
the host. that was so irritating. "licking her fingers" and then
sticking it back in to pluck out more meat...yeah, that's damn gross.
Rob's got a point here....
4. eating hearts, intestines, etc...well, who cares...but again, Rob's
the typical undeducated dork, and she's there for the $1
million....not to make a statement about Asian eating habits. i doubt
if the others cared about her eating habits with the exception of Rob.
pulling that race crap is bullsh*t. did she expect to be among a
mostly Asian group of survivors? having 2 Blacks is alot right there
considering that Blacks makes up about 10% of the US population. it's
just a fact of life being an Asian in dominantly White America....deal
with it (an no, i'm not trying to be a whiteguy nor do i have many
white friends)
Nathan Sanders
> 2. being alienated....well that's her problem.
How do you know that? We only saw a fraction of the friction between her
and the "popular kids" (Robb, Penny, Erin, Stephanie, and Jed). Shii Ann
got along fine with Ken and Jake, so the problem doesn't seem to be
entirely Shii Ann's.
> to come together to worship the same God)....Asians are just not very
> outgoing....
Shii Ann wasn't disliked for being a hermit. (That was Jed and
Stephanie.) She was disliked for eating weird and other unspecified
reasons, which seem to boil down to being a know-it-all. In other words,
she was a nerd, and the cheerleaders, preppies, and skatepunks picked on
her.
> White people are alot more outgoing and will make greater
> effort in trying to make the new guy feel welcome.
Yeah, Jed and Stephanie were *really* outgoing and welcoming.
> the host. that was so irritating. "licking her fingers" and then
> sticking it back in to pluck out more meat...yeah, that's damn gross.
> Rob's got a point here....
? These people don't even have soap. Their hands are filthy --- they
use the bathroom, clean fish, sit around in the dirt, rub their feet.
And Robb's worried about saliva?
> 4. eating hearts, intestines, etc...well, who cares..
Apparently, Robb and Erin did. Otherwise, they wouldn't have talked
about it. That was Shii Ann's point --- no one *should* care, but those
two did.
> pulling that race crap is bullsh*t.
You missed her key point last week in her talk to Ted --- it's not really
about race, but culture. She's not saying they were mean to her because
she's physically Asian, but because she's culturally Asian. And the only
evidence we saw seems to supports this: Robb and Erin complaining about
and sneering at the way Shii Ann ate, a cultural trait for her that Robb
and Erin, and much of white America, happen not to share.
Ken also seems to believe that Shii Ann had been unfairly targetted by
Penny, et al (prior to Shii Ann's boot, which notably, Shii Ann did NOT
blame on race or culture, but owned up to the fact that it was her mistake
for over-scheming).
Nathan
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Chief Squawtendrawpet
> fraction of the friction
and the fiction of the action
[others continue]
CB
"Chief Squawtendrawpet" <c...@edu.edu> wrote in message
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> Nathan Sanders wrote:
> > fraction of the friction
>
> and the fiction of the action
from a fraction of the faction
(keep going)
James
>
>1. she's not very good looking, more like...average. those of you who
>thinks she's extremely hot, probably has some sort of Asian fetish. on
>a scale of 1-10, if Lucy Liu is a 7, Shi Ann's a 5 or 5.5 i'm no
>expert or anything, but i've seen/dated quite a few Asian girls (ok,
>more like seen :) ).....and her face is kind of dorky Hong Kong chick
>type. her body is slim, but she's got no ass....ok most Asians don't
>have nice a's anyhoo. and no, i'm not an Asian guy who's got a
>non-Asian girl fetish....
I think she's better looking than Lucy Liu. Lucy always has that frozen glaze
on her face.
>2. being alienated....well that's her problem. she's probably not very
>outgoing, which is typical of Asians. it's true. ever been the only
>Whiteguy in an all Asian crowd?
If you had read Shii's bio you would have seen that she fought for many causes
which were not Asian-only. I can't imagine that she landed on the island and
immediately distanced herself from everyone because they're white and she
isn't. Some of those in her tribe as so snotty that they probably hated her
from the getgo.
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The Horny Goat
<san...@ling.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>Ken also seems to believe that Shii Ann had been unfairly targetted by
>Penny, et al (prior to Shii Ann's boot, which notably, Shii Ann did NOT
>blame on race or culture, but owned up to the fact that it was her mistake
>for over-scheming).
I thought Shii Ann gave one of the better closing statements - she was
reasonably gracious, understood why she lost and wished her teammates
well. Too bad she's not going to be on the jury - I was looking
forward to her comments in the finale.
natch
I was agreeing with you (she isnt all that attractive) until you said that
You should go back and check the tape, that's her best, pardon the pun, asset.
James M
Francois
> 2. being alienated....well that's her problem. she's probably not very
> outgoing, which is typical of Asians. it's true.
I would not assert that she's "not very outgoing", considering that
she's a recruiter in New York City! And indeed, she seems QUITE
opinionated and vocal about such. Hell, she practically ran to Clay's
arms to pour out her feelings for SJ the first chance she got.
I know that the stereotype of Asian women is quiet and deferential,
but I saw nothing in shii Ann that was like that--in fact, I'd bet
that MB, in casting his first Asian woman, would go out of his way to
find one who BREAKS that stereotype.
F
holly golightly
i can't decide whether this post is genuine, but...
> >1. she's not very good looking, more like...average.
Well, the obvious response is that people have different tastes. Your
implication is that only supermodel "Asian Barbie" clones are worthy.
Personally, I think Shii Ann was spunky and bookish, but also very
interesting to look at and to watch. (Lucy Liu has that odd Heather
Graham/ Elijah Wood/ Botoxed Eyes look, but she's also very
beautiful.)
>>2. being alienated....well that's her problem.
Yup. It is her problem, but it's a result of her tribe. It didn't
have to be that way. For instance, take a white guy in an all-Asian
crowd. If the group is secretive and not only mocks but degrades the
white guy for not eating their way, then screw them. That's just as
wrong. Finding something disgusting is one thing, but socially
rejecting someone for something like that is horrible.
>>Ever been the only Whiteguy in an all Asian crowd? you'll get
alienated 10x worse.
Nope. Have you been the only white guy, "asian guy?"
> 3. Shii Ann vs. Rob...
Rob is a very loud "surfer dude," but not a horrible human being. I
think he found Shii Ann annoying, so anything she did was gross. For
the record, I've seen a variety of organs on sale in various ethnic
markets. I have a Southern friend who makes fried intestines. Fried
intestines are not that appealing, but they're not disgusting for
liking something I don't want to eat or for eating with their hands.
Should someone e-mail Miss Manners to find the proper starvation
etiquette?
> 4. "race crap"
Shii Ann's pain should have fueled a vengeful and insidious plot to
destroy Penny and Erin at the proper opportunity. But she couldn't
wait to get rid of Penny and it backfired. Her parting comments were
very self-aware and touching.
race me
> On 4 Nov 2002, race me wrote:
>
> > 2. being alienated....well that's her problem.
>
> How do you know that?
she said so hereself that she felt alienated.
> We only saw a fraction of the friction between her
> and the "popular kids" (Robb, Penny, Erin, Stephanie, and Jed). Shii Ann
> got along fine with Ken and Jake, so the problem doesn't seem to be
> entirely Shii Ann's.
was she the FIRST booted? no. obviously she wasn't as alienated as she
claimed to be.
why shouldn't Robb target her? he wants that million dollar too. and
he was in danger of getting booted.
this Shii Ann chick pulled the race card.
> Shii Ann wasn't disliked for being a hermit. (That was Jed and
> Stephanie.) She was disliked for eating weird and other unspecified
> reasons, which seem to boil down to being a know-it-all.
> In other words,
> she was a nerd, and the cheerleaders, preppies, and skatepunks picked on
> her.
then why did she play the RACE CARD by saying that they alienated her
for being Asian? with the exception of eating the chicken guts, she
had nothing else to support her complaint about them targeting her for
being Asian
>
> > White people are alot more outgoing and will make greater
> > effort in trying to make the new guy feel welcome.
>
> Yeah, Jed and Stephanie were *really* outgoing and welcoming.
i'm speaking in general
>
> > the host. that was so irritating. "licking her fingers" and then
> > sticking it back in to pluck out more meat...yeah, that's damn gross.
> > Rob's got a point here....
>
> ? These people don't even have soap. Their hands are filthy --- they
> use the bathroom, clean fish, sit around in the dirt, rub their feet.
>
> And Robb's worried about saliva?
>
how do you know that they didn't wash their hands? if the guy said he
was grossed out by her sucking her fingers and sticking it back in the
chicken....how are you going to support this argument of yours that he
"really" didn't feel grossed out?
> > 4. eating hearts, intestines, etc...well, who cares..
>
> Apparently, Robb and Erin did. Otherwise, they wouldn't have talked
> about it. That was Shii Ann's point --- no one *should* care, but those
> two did.
it's called a rhetorical question
>
> > pulling that race crap is bullsh*t.
>
> You missed her key point last week in her talk to Ted --- it's not really
> about race, but culture. She's not saying they were mean to her because
> she's physically Asian, but because she's culturally Asian. And the only
> evidence we saw seems to supports this: Robb and Erin complaining about
> and sneering at the way Shii Ann ate, a cultural trait for her that Robb
> and Erin, and much of white America, happen not to share.
no, she didn't have what it takes to win that million dollar. or are
you saying that she didn't start to feel alienated until after the
chicken incident?
> Ken also seems to believe that Shii Ann had been unfairly targetted by
> Penny, et al (prior to Shii Ann's boot, which notably, Shii Ann did NOT
> blame on race or culture, but owned up to the fact that it was her mistake
> for over-scheming).
>
> Nathan
well yeah, after she got booted. but before that she kept saying how
it was because she was different and Asian, blah, blah.
race me
> > race...@yahoo.com (race me) wrote:
>
> >
> I think she's better looking than Lucy Liu. Lucy always has that frozen glaze
> on her face.
>
uggh...well i don't think Lucy Liu is that great either....some really
hot Asian actresses are the ones in the HK movies....like Zhang
(something) from Crouching Tiger, etc.
> If you had read Shii's bio you would have seen that she fought for many causes
> which were not Asian-only. I can't imagine that she landed on the island and
> immediately distanced herself from everyone because they're white and she
> isn't. Some of those in her tribe as so snotty that they probably hated her
> from the getgo.
whatever her problems were, i still think that she should have just
dealt with them rather than play the RACE card.... if she was the
first booted, then i may have a different opinion, but she wasn't.
she started playing the race card when she started feeling like she
was going to be the next one booted.
but in terms of being culturally different....an Asian person will
almost always be culturally different in White America. if she wanted
that million dollars, then it's up to her to assimilate.
James
>
>
>whatever her problems were, i still think that she should have just
>dealt with them rather than play the RACE card.... if she was the
>first booted, then i may have a different opinion, but she wasn't.
>she started playing the race card when she started feeling like she
>was going to be the next one booted.
All she said was that she felt separated from the group because of her culture.
She only said this to the cameras. That is a very loose definition of playing
the race card.
>
>but in terms of being culturally different....an Asian person will
>almost always be culturally different in White America. if she wanted
>that million dollars, then it's up to her to assimilate.
>
Well that's a positive message.
Chief Squawtendrawpet
> All she said was that she felt separated from the group because of her culture.
> She only said this to the cameras.
And later to Ted.
Chief S.
Chris
In her realitynewsonline interview, she said that by "culture", she
was referring to New York City culture, not being Asian. Because so
many other contestants were from the South, she felt culturally
different. It sounds to me like she's doing a bit of revisionism now.
James
She only brought it up to him because he is also a minority. I don't even
remember if he brought it up first.
casey
"yellow fever" but only as a joke.I just tend to meet a few.I do a lot of
artwork and for some reason you meet a lot of asian girls who are also
artists.Fetish? naaa. If I have any prefereance in a girl it's short
hair,but none I've dated have had short hair.
As far as Shii-Ann having no ass..Huh???? She has a great ass and it didn't
look too tiny at all in her pink bikini. In great proportion to her body.You
must have her confused with someone else.
casey
you will see that people of every culture are outgoing. Maybe they aren't
outgoing to you because you seem to have an attitude and preconceived
notions about other cultures in general.
nospam
(in message <Pine.SUN.3.91.102110...@ling.ucsc.edu>):
>> the host. that was so irritating. "licking her fingers" and then
>> sticking it back in to pluck out more meat...yeah, that's damn gross.
>> Rob's got a point here....
>
> ? These people don't even have soap. Their hands are filthy --- they
> use the bathroom, clean fish, sit around in the dirt, rub their feet.
>
> And Robb's worried about saliva?
And you know that Robb would stick his tounge down her throat (or somewhere
else) if he got half the chance.
It was nice to see Robb grow up in the last episode before he got gone, but
prior to that he was a loud obnoxious moron.
The Horny Goat
>I know that the stereotype of Asian women is quiet and deferential,
>but I saw nothing in shii Ann that was like that--in fact, I'd bet
>that MB, in casting his first Asian woman, would go out of his way to
>find one who BREAKS that stereotype.
Oh I don't know - I was in Hong Kong between episodes 1 and 3 and
while I realize Shii Ann's heritage is Taiwanese, I saw plenty of
20-something-ish women in Hong Kong who were her spiritual sisters.
Bear in mind I was attending a jewellery industry trade show where
most of the people who spoke really good English, most were women.
Some were shy but a LOT were not - though Shii Ann is clearly very
Americanized.
Nathan Sanders
> > > 2. being alienated....well that's her problem.
> >
> > How do you know that?
>
> she said so hereself that she felt alienated.
Sorry for the overzealous ellipsis. What I meant was: "how do you know
that it was her problem?" (as opposed to a problem created by other
people)
> was she the FIRST booted? no. obviously she wasn't as alienated as she
> claimed to be.
Obviously. No one consistently targetted her at tribal council, no siree.
No one sneered at her with disgust as she ate chicken parts they wouldn't
have even touched. No one else on the tribe seemed to notice that she
was being attacked.
Oh wait.
> this Shii Ann chick pulled the race card.
Please tell me what constitutes "playing the race card". If it's
something other than "mentioning true facts regarding cultural
differences", then Shii Ann did not play the race card.
> then why did she play the RACE CARD by saying that they alienated her
> for being Asian?
Race and culture are not equivalent.
> with the exception of eating the chicken guts, she
> had nothing else to support her complaint about them targeting her for
> being Asian
And surprisingly, there's no direct evidence to support that they
targetted her for any other reason...
> > > White people are alot more outgoing and will make greater
> > > effort in trying to make the new guy feel welcome.
> >
> > Yeah, Jed and Stephanie were *really* outgoing and welcoming.
>
> i'm speaking in general
Your generalization was wrong.
> > ? These people don't even have soap. Their hands are filthy --- they
> > use the bathroom, clean fish, sit around in the dirt, rub their feet.
> >
> > And Robb's worried about saliva?
>
> how do you know that they didn't wash their hands?
Because they don't have soap. Water and sand will get off the largest
chunks of dirt, but it won't remove bacteria or germs (which is presumably
what Robb is worried about from Shii Ann's saliva).
> if the guy said he
> was grossed out by her sucking her fingers and sticking it back in the
> chicken....how are you going to support this argument of yours that he
> "really" didn't feel grossed out?
I'm not saying that he didn't feel grossed out. I'm saying he was stupid
for feeling grossed out, because there were far more serious bacterial
issues to be worried about.
> > > 4. eating hearts, intestines, etc...well, who cares..
> >
> > Apparently, Robb and Erin did. Otherwise, they wouldn't have talked
> > about it. That was Shii Ann's point --- no one *should* care, but those
> > two did.
>
> it's called a rhetorical question
It's not rhetorical if there's an answer you didn't seem to want to address.
> you saying that she didn't start to feel alienated until after the
> chicken incident?
No. I'm saying that the only evidence we have to show *why* Robb and Erin
disliked Shii Ann was the chicken incident. We don't even have any direct
video evidence for *why* Penny, Stephanie, or Jed disliked her. We
weren't shown any previous footage, so it's impossible to tell one way or
the other. All we have to go on is the cultural boundaries at work.
Which means, as far as what we were shown on TV, Shii Ann was right.
Doesn't it count as "playing the race card" if you're right?
> > Ken also seems to believe that Shii Ann had been unfairly targetted by
> > Penny, et al (prior to Shii Ann's boot, which notably, Shii Ann did NOT
> > blame on race or culture, but owned up to the fact that it was her mistake
> > for over-scheming).
>
> well yeah, after she got booted.
Yes. Her explanation for why she got booted was correct. She wasn't
booted because people didn't like her. She was booted for scheming too
much. The people who didn't like her (Penny and Erin) didn't have enough
votes to get rid of her anymore.
> but before that she kept saying how
> it was because she was different and Asian, blah, blah.
That was an explanation for why everyone but Jake and Ken were being mean
to her (which includes behavior beyond simple tribal council votes).
Shii Ann was targetted socially within the tribe on a day-to-day basis
(this was made clear by Shii Ann and Ken) in part because of her cultural
differences (this was supported by the chicken incidence). Shii Ann was
booted because she was plotting to defect from her tribe too early.
Being a social target and being booted from the game were two different
things, with different motivations. In neither case did Shii Ann claim
that race in and of itself (apart from it's obvious and superficial
connection to her culture) was the motivation.
casey
Because they don't have soap. Water and sand will get off the largest
chunks of dirt, but it won't remove bacteria or germs
I'm pretty sure the water they are washing their hands in is salt water and
I imagine that would kill quite a few germs.
Besides anyone with a shitload of tattoos should have worried about germs
and bacteria when he got those things.I'd say he had a bigger chance
contracting something then than he would from Shii-ann double dipping. They
are frigging crybabies.
Chief Squawtendrawpet
> I'm saying that the only evidence we have to show *why* Robb and Erin
> disliked Shii Ann was the chicken incident. We don't even have any direct
> video evidence for *why* Penny, Stephanie, or Jed disliked her.
We don't have much direct evidence for any of the goings on in SJ -- a
flaw this season. But I think you've overstated the case a bit here.
I recall scenes from both Jake and Robb that in one way or another
suggested a certain know-it-all trait in Shii Ann that was rubbing
people the wrong way. When I compare Shii's personality with Robb's,
the immediate conclusion is -- clash. And this personality clash
exists independently of any racial or cultural differences that might
have also contributed to their differences.
> Yes. Her explanation for why she got booted was correct. She wasn't
> booted because people didn't like her. She was booted for scheming too
> much.
Her explanation for why she got booted is deeply flawed. The real
problem wasn't scheming per se. Rather it was:
(a) Bad strategy: contemplating defection when she might have already
been in a majority position within her tribe (alliance with Jake and
Ken).
(b) Clumsy scheming: if you're testing the waters for a betrayal,
being discrete is paramount, both to prevent counter-play and to leave
open options of retreating (for example, in case you find out there's
no merge!). Shii Ann was the polar opposite of discrete, blabbing to
anyone who would pretend to be sympathetic.
Chief S.
James
>I recall scenes from both Jake and Robb that in one way or another
>suggested a certain know-it-all trait in Shii Ann that was rubbing
>people the wrong way.
All Jake said was that he knew people disliked Shii, but he didn't, because she
was a hard worker.
>a) Bad strategy: contemplating defection when she might have already
>been in a majority position within her tribe (alliance with Jake and
>Ken).
People keep saying this, but we have no idea of any alliance with Jake or Ken,
especially Jake. If she had an alliance with both of them, I don't think she
would've bolted.
Chief Squawtendrawpet
> >a) Bad strategy: contemplating defection when she might have already
> >been in a majority position within her tribe (alliance with Jake and
> >Ken).
James wrote:
> People keep saying this, but we have no idea of any alliance with Jake or Ken,
> especially Jake. If she had an alliance with both of them, I don't think she
> would've bolted.
I have no idea whether she had such an alliance either. But we do
know that Jake claimed to like her (as you pointed out). We also know
that Ken had several sympathetic conversations with her. In fact, he
even said something to the effect "First let's take care of CG, then
we'll worry about Penny." That sounds like alliance talk -- though
maybe Ken was being dishonest.
The other point I'd make is the following. Your point -- if she had
an alliance, she wouldn't bolt -- relies on the assumption that
strategic motives were more powerful for Shii Ann than personal
motives. But sound strategy dictated either (a) no defection, or (b)
extremely discrete testing the waters for defection. Shii Ann did
neither; instead she ran around the island spilling her guts to any
and all. I think this was a case of folding under pressure, in which
her emotions (about her tribe and about Penny) caused her to play
badly. Once Shii Ann is shown to be a demonstrably bad player -- and
clearly she was -- the original assumption (that's she's governed by
strategic considerations) falters a bit.
Chief S.
James
>
>I have no idea whether she had such an alliance either. But we do
>know that Jake claimed to like her (as you pointed out). We also know
>that Ken had several sympathetic conversations with her. In fact, he
>even said something to the effect "First let's take care of CG, then
>we'll worry about Penny." That sounds like alliance talk -- though
>maybe Ken was being dishonest.
All that told me was that he and Shii both knew they were outsiders in SJ now
that all of the easy choices had been voted out. They probably would have
formed an alliance, but then she jumped ship.
>
>The other point I'd make is the following. Your point -- if she had
>an alliance, she wouldn't bolt -- relies on the assumption that
>strategic motives were more powerful for Shii Ann than personal
>motives. But sound strategy dictated either (a) no defection, or (b)
>extremely discrete testing the waters for defection. Shii Ann did
>neither; instead she ran around the island spilling her guts to any
>and all. I think this was a case of folding under pressure, in which
>her emotions (about her tribe and about Penny) caused her to play
>badly. Once Shii Ann is shown to be a demonstrably bad player -- and
>clearly she was -- the original assumption (that's she's governed by
>strategic considerations) falters a bit.
I think Shii was a smart player and she then began to crumble because of the
poisonous atmosphere around her. In past seasons the teams have mostly gotten
along after a certain period because they realize they have to. Even Tagi, full
of people who had little use for each other, got along. Apparently in SJ there
was misery and mind games day after day.
If she had had a strong three-person alliance in SJ, I doubt she would have
crumbled. For one thing, if Penny had still been going after her, Jake probably
would have had Penny voted out pre-merge. Shii's behavior suggests she had no
truly close allies.
Discord
"James" <tvfan...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20021106224855...@mb-ml.aol.com...
er, Ken laid out how they had all agreed to vote, and it was Jake, Ken, and
Shii all voting together to get rid of Penny. If they ahve been planning out
how they are going to vote together then yes, it's safe to say they have an
alliance.
James
>
>
>er, Ken laid out how they had all agreed to vote, and it was Jake, Ken, and
>Shii all voting together to get rid of Penny. If they ahve been planning out
>how they are going to vote together then yes, it's safe to say they have an
>alliance.
Didn't Ken say that they could get rid of Penny at a later time? Of course Shii
wasn't going to believe this. It came across to me that he was saying anything
he could think of to stop her from joining CG.
Discord
"James" <tvfan...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
Ah, ok. I got the impression from that that they had planned it all
beforehand, thus leading to the conclusion that if they plan to vote
togther, they are in an alliance. After all, what else is an alliance for
but votng together?
James
>
>
>Ah, ok. I got the impression from that that they had planned it all
>beforehand, thus leading to the conclusion that if they plan to vote
>togther, they are in an alliance. After all, what else is an alliance for
>but votng together?
>
>
>
Well there are so many different kinds of alliances. Shii was in an alliance
which she did not get along with. She was very clearly the outsider and felt
hurt. Jake had comforted her in the past, but I don't think that means he was
in a sub-alliance with her and Ken, which is what Shii would have needed. If
she had that I don't think she would have turned on SJ.
race me
> > Sorry for the overzealous ellipsis. What I meant was: "how do you know
> that it was her problem?" (as opposed to a problem created by other
> people)
we are both speculating based on what MB lets us see. but logic
dictates that in a game where the prize is $1,000,000 ...there is
bound to be some sort of anymosity. if her being Asian was the
problem, then she should have gotten kicked off much earlier and
especially before Rob. if everybody liked each other and no contention
is created by anyone, then how would they chose to vote anyone off.
> > was she the FIRST booted? no. obviously she wasn't as alienated as she
> > claimed to be.
>
> Obviously. No one consistently targetted her at tribal council, no siree.
> No one sneered at her with disgust as she ate chicken parts they wouldn't
> have even touched. No one else on the tribe seemed to notice that she
> was being attacked.
>
> Oh wait.
you keep forgeting that this is part of the game to win
$1,000,000...someone has to be a target and someone has to be in the
OTHER alliance. if she sets herself up to be the taget, then that's
her problem....deal with it rather than play the race card.
> > this Shii Ann chick pulled the race card.
>
> Please tell me what constitutes "playing the race card". If it's
> something other than "mentioning true facts regarding cultural
> differences", then Shii Ann did not play the race card.
she sought sympathy for her being Asian, boohoo
> > then why did she play the RACE CARD by saying that they alienated her
> > for being Asian?
>
> Race and culture are not equivalent.
they are apart of one another
> > with the exception of eating the chicken guts, she
> > had nothing else to support her complaint about them targeting her for
> > being Asian
>
> And surprisingly, there's no direct evidence to support that they
> targetted her for any other reason...
she said it herself that they were alienating her from the beginning.
did she eat the chicken guts from the very beginning?
> > > > White people are alot more outgoing and will make greater
> > > > effort in trying to make the new guy feel welcome.
> > >
> > > Yeah, Jed and Stephanie were *really* outgoing and welcoming.
> >
> > i'm speaking in general
>
> Your generalization was wrong.
you'd think this because you're not Asian nor have been around enough
Asians as I have. therefore, you are wrong :(
>
> > > ? These people don't even have soap. Their hands are filthy --- they
> > > use the bathroom, clean fish, sit around in the dirt, rub their feet.
> > >
> > > And Robb's worried about saliva?
> >
> > how do you know that they didn't wash their hands?
>
> Because they don't have soap. Water and sand will get off the largest
> chunks of dirt, but it won't remove bacteria or germs (which is presumably
> what Robb is worried about from Shii Ann's saliva).
he said it was "gross" to him and the other girl agreed. too bad if
this is not good enough for you, but it was for him.
but prove to me that water and sand won't remove ANY bacteria or
germs.
> I'm not saying that he didn't feel grossed out. I'm saying he was stupid
> for feeling grossed out, because there were far more serious bacterial
> issues to be worried about.
> > > > 4. eating hearts, intestines, etc...well, who cares..
> > >
> > > Apparently, Robb and Erin did. Otherwise, they wouldn't have talked
> > > about it. That was Shii Ann's point --- no one *should* care, but those
> > > two did.
> >
> > it's called a rhetorical question
>
> It's not rhetorical if there's an answer you didn't seem to want to address.
because i was agreeing with her about eating whatever she liked and so
do you and therefore you really didn't need to answer it unless you
now want to help me refute your own self.
>
> > you saying that she didn't start to feel alienated until after the
> > chicken incident?
>
> No. I'm saying that the only evidence we have to show *why* Robb and Erin
> disliked Shii Ann was the chicken incident. We don't even have any direct
> video evidence for *why* Penny, Stephanie, or Jed disliked her. We
> weren't shown any previous footage, so it's impossible to tell one way or
> the other. All we have to go on is the cultural boundaries at work.
no, Shii Ann said that they were against her before the chicken
incident.
> Yes. Her explanation for why she got booted was correct. She wasn't
> booted because people didn't like her. She was booted for scheming too
> much. The people who didn't like her (Penny and Erin) didn't have enough
> votes to get rid of her anymore.
then why did she bring up all that crap about her being alienated due
to her race?
> > but before that she kept saying how
> > it was because she was different and Asian, blah, blah.
>
> That was an explanation for why everyone but Jake and Ken were being mean
> to her (which includes behavior beyond simple tribal council votes).
ahh, the race card. thanks for agreeing with me.
>
> Shii Ann was targetted socially within the tribe on a day-to-day basis
> (this was made clear by Shii Ann and Ken) in part because of her cultural
> differences (this was supported by the chicken incidence). Shii Ann was
> booted because she was plotting to defect from her tribe too early.
>
> Being a social target and being booted from the game were two different
> things, with different motivations. In neither case did Shii Ann claim
> that race in and of itself (apart from it's obvious and superficial
> connection to her culture) was the motivation.
>
> Nathan
then why did she try to win sympathy with the camera by bring up her
race. her people skills just sucks. don't bring race into it.
race me
geez genius, i'm vietnamese, and have been around more asians than
you'll ever will be. i've been in the US for over 25 years and have
travelled throughout asia.
Nathan Sanders
> geez genius, i'm vietnamese,
Don't play the race card. It's pretty pathetic.
race me
> >race...@yahoo.com (race me) wrote:
>
>
> All she said was that she felt separated from the group because of her culture.
> She only said this to the cameras. That is a very loose definition of playing
> the race card.
true, it wasn't as bad as the black guy from last season yelling out
some crap about the Whitey's targeting the Black folks and he's
calling Johnny Cochran....(para) blah, blah
but she's still trying to get sympathy from the audience....or just
airing out her sob story...and i'm just saying...get over it, and
overcome...she lives in freaking NYC for crying out loud...
> >but in terms of being culturally different....an Asian person will
> >almost always be culturally different in White America. if she wanted
> >that million dollars, then it's up to her to assimilate.
> >
>
> Well that's a positive message.
hey, it's the truth. what does she want? white america to conform to
her particular asian culture and then also give her $1,000,000 ?
race me
> I would not assert that she's "not very outgoing", considering that
> she's a recruiter in New York City!
i was thinking about this aspect also. but then again, not all
recruiters and/or their firms are equal. so it doesn't mean that being
a recruiter means that she's a good one, getting paid well and at a
big firm.
> And indeed, she seems QUITE
> opinionated and vocal about such. Hell, she practically ran to Clay's
> arms to pour out her feelings for SJ the first chance she got.
> I know that the stereotype of Asian women is quiet and deferential,
> but I saw nothing in shii Ann that was like that--in fact, I'd bet
> that MB, in casting his first Asian woman, would go out of his way to
> find one who BREAKS that stereotype.
true. and i'm not saying that she was a hermit. just that she didn't
have what it takes to win the $1 mil.
James
>
>but she's still trying to get sympathy from the audience....or just
>airing out her sob story...and i'm just saying...get over it, and
>overcome...she lives in freaking NYC for crying out loud...
>
According to her, now at least, part of the cultural problem she was referring
to involved her being from NYC and them being more from the South.
>
>hey, it's the truth. what does she want? white america to conform to
>her particular asian culture and then also give her $1,000,000 ?
>
All she wanted was people not to sneer at her while she was eating chicken.
That's not conforming.
race me
> > > race...@yahoo.com (race me) wrote:
>
> i can't decide whether this post is genuine, but...
>
> > >1. she's not very good looking, more like...average.
>
> Well, the obvious response is that people have different tastes. Your
> implication is that only supermodel "Asian Barbie" clones are worthy.
> Personally, I think Shii Ann was spunky and bookish, but also very
> interesting to look at and to watch. (Lucy Liu has that odd Heather
> Graham/ Elijah Wood/ Botoxed Eyes look, but she's also very
> beautiful.)
i'm not saying that she was ugly. i'm just questioning those who
thinks she's super hot or such. i'm saying that she's average.
> >>2. being alienated....well that's her problem.
>
> Yup. It is her problem, but it's a result of her tribe. It didn't
> have to be that way. For instance, take a white guy in an all-Asian
> crowd. If the group is secretive and not only mocks but degrades the
> white guy for not eating their way, then screw them. That's just as
> wrong. Finding something disgusting is one thing, but socially
> rejecting someone for something like that is horrible.
i'm not saying that it's right, i'm saying that if she's going to do
something that is not common among the majority of her peers then
don't cry about it when they use it against her. and undeducated
morons like Robb of all types of races will usually react in such
manner.
again, this is for $1 million.
> >>Ever been the only Whiteguy in an all Asian crowd? you'll get
> alienated 10x worse.
> Nope. Have you been the only white guy, "asian guy?"
i've seen and known enough of them and haven't seen them come back, so
i know more than you since you've admitted to have never been in such
a situation.
> Should someone e-mail Miss Manners to find the proper starvation
> etiquette?
they were never starving. they were experiencing a slightly different
hunger compared to what it was like living at home with regular meals.
if any of them were starving, the cameraman would have called for an
ambulance.
> > 4. "race crap"
>
> Shii Ann's pain should have fueled a vengeful and insidious plot to
> destroy Penny and Erin at the proper opportunity. But she couldn't
> wait to get rid of Penny and it backfired. Her parting comments were
> very self-aware and touching.
yeah, she made big blunder and now either trying to change her sob
story about being Chinese in Whiteytown or that this race card was
just that, to win sympathy with the two guys in her tribe (about how
Rob, Penny and the other chick were against her for being Asian) or
the Black guy from the other tribe (using the same tactic)...
who knows....but she sure as hell wouldn't admit it if it were true.
casey
cultures? I know a black girl at work who all the other blacks hate,because
in their words "she has an attitude about other blacks" It is quite possible
to dislike your own culture. I guess if you have been around asians more
than me and you think that makes you right,I guess I have been around whites
more than you so if I say they are not more outgoing than any other people I
guess I'm right,huh?Isn't that your logic?
Why do you think you have any right to judge Shii-Ann or any other asian
simply because you are vietnamese?Thats the most asanine thinking I have
ever heard.
casey
finger at someone else there are three pointing back at you.
"Nathan Sanders" <san...@ling.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.SUN.3.91.102110...@ling.ucsc.edu...
casey
winner have to conform to anything?
"race me" <race...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6d1e5460.02110...@posting.google.com...
race me
>
> > geez genius, i'm vietnamese,
>
> Don't play the race card. It's pretty pathetic.
>
> Nathan
now you're being stupid.
Nathan Sanders
> > > geez genius, i'm vietnamese,
> >
> > Don't play the race card. It's pretty pathetic.
>
> now you're being stupid.
Just trying to stay consistent with your posts.
Nathan
"mentioning race" = "playing the race card", right?
race me
> Ho shit!!!good one Nathan! The old saying proves true,whan you point a
> finger at someone else there are three pointing back at you.
> "Nathan Sanders" <san...@ling.ucsc.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.SUN.3.91.102110...@ling.ucsc.edu...
> > On 7 Nov 2002, race me wrote:
> >
> > > geez genius, i'm vietnamese,
> >
> > Don't play the race card. It's pretty pathetic.
> >
> > Nathan
> >
how so? the other guy assumed that i didn't know the asian culture and
should get out more. i refuted his claims.
race me
> Gee genius,does that make it ok for you to have attitudes about other
> cultures?
what other culture genius? it is my culture. and i know more about it
than you.
> I know a black girl at work who all the other blacks hate,because
> in their words "she has an attitude about other blacks" It is quite possible
> to dislike your own culture.
i am making a fair assessment of my own culture. and do not dislike my
own culture. i am a realist while you live in lala land
> I guess if you have been around asians more
> than me and you think that makes you right,I guess I have been around whites
> more than you so if I say they are not more outgoing than any other people I
> guess I'm right,huh?Isn't that your logic?
yes, because unless you live in an asian country, you would not have
the same exposure as i do to the asian culture. while i can have the
same amount of exposure to the white american culture, as i live in
it.
> Why do you think you have any right to judge Shii-Ann or any other asian
> simply because you are vietnamese?Thats the most asanine thinking I have
> ever heard.
i can make generalization based on real life experiences. and everyone
who makes a comment about her is also judging. duh?
race me
> So when Rich won the Mil all of white America has to turn gay? Why does the
> winner have to conform to anything?
are you on drugs? because this makes no sense in regards to refuting
what i said.
did rich cry for any sympathy due to his being gay? did he cry about
people sneering (esp. the old navy guy) at him when he pranced around
naked?
casey
the race card,genius.
And where did I say you didn't know the culture?I said peopel can sense
when someone has prejudice toward a culture,even if it's their own,and they
will shun you.
Face it...you played the race card while damning Shii-Ann for playing the
race card,Pretty ironic,huh? Or can asians be ironic?....You're the asian
you tell me.
casey
to notice.
And prancing around naked has nothing to do with gay-ness.You think it's ok
to sneer at Shii-Ann for eating with her fingers but it's not Ok to be
disgusted by a big hairy naked guy at the dinner table?I think if anyone is
dipping in the scooby snacks it is you.I know asians are notorious for that
and I hear you are asian.At least thats the rumor going around.
Silverlock
>tit...@volcanomail.com (holly golightly) wrote in message news:<d75017a0.02110...@posting.google.com>...
>> > > race...@yahoo.com (race me) wrote:
>>
>> i can't decide whether this post is genuine, but...
>>
>> > >1. she's not very good looking, more like...average.
>>
>> Well, the obvious response is that people have different tastes. Your
>> implication is that only supermodel "Asian Barbie" clones are worthy.
>> Personally, I think Shii Ann was spunky and bookish, but also very
>> interesting to look at and to watch. (Lucy Liu has that odd Heather
>> Graham/ Elijah Wood/ Botoxed Eyes look, but she's also very
>> beautiful.)
>
>
>i'm not saying that she was ugly. i'm just questioning those who
>thinks she's super hot or such. i'm saying that she's average.
>
>
Thank you for defining female attractiveness for us all, now we don't
have to make any differences for ourselves... Whew! I think Shii Ann
was gorgeous.
>> >>2. being alienated....well that's her problem.
>>
>> Yup. It is her problem, but it's a result of her tribe. It didn't
>> have to be that way. For instance, take a white guy in an all-Asian
>> crowd. If the group is secretive and not only mocks but degrades the
>> white guy for not eating their way, then screw them. That's just as
>> wrong. Finding something disgusting is one thing, but socially
>> rejecting someone for something like that is horrible.
>
>
>i'm not saying that it's right, i'm saying that if she's going to do
>something that is not common among the majority of her peers then
>don't cry about it when they use it against her. and undeducated
>morons like Robb of all types of races will usually react in such
>manner.
>
>again, this is for $1 million.
>
>
>> >>Ever been the only Whiteguy in an all Asian crowd? you'll get
>> alienated 10x worse.
>
>> Nope. Have you been the only white guy, "asian guy?"
>
>i've seen and known enough of them and haven't seen them come back, so
>i know more than you since you've admitted to have never been in such
>a situation.
>
>
A white person or group cannot act to ostracize a minority in the way
a minority could a white person because the white will get called on
it as discrimination, whereas there is much more freedom to get away
with stuff like that as a minority.
>> Should someone e-mail Miss Manners to find the proper starvation
>> etiquette?
>
>they were never starving. they were experiencing a slightly different
>hunger compared to what it was like living at home with regular meals.
>if any of them were starving, the cameraman would have called for an
>ambulance.
>
>
>> > 4. "race crap"
>>
>> Shii Ann's pain should have fueled a vengeful and insidious plot to
>> destroy Penny and Erin at the proper opportunity. But she couldn't
>> wait to get rid of Penny and it backfired. Her parting comments were
>> very self-aware and touching.
>
>
>yeah, she made big blunder and now either trying to change her sob
>story about being Chinese in Whiteytown or that this race card was
>just that, to win sympathy with the two guys in her tribe (about how
>Rob, Penny and the other chick were against her for being Asian) or
>the Black guy from the other tribe (using the same tactic)...
>
>who knows....but she sure as hell wouldn't admit it if it were true.
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race me
> Yes he did,but you were probably too busy telling someone how asian you are
> to notice.
ok, show me how this makes any sense to what you were trying to debate
me about. this is what you said:
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"casey" <kcur...@snotmail.com> wrote in message news:<aqeurf$9nu$2...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>...
> So when Rich won the Mil all of white America has to turn gay? Why does the
> winner have to conform to anything?
-----------------------
notice how you stopped using quotes in this post that i'm replying to
because you're too embarrassed to after making no sense at all and
being caught on it.
> And prancing around naked has nothing to do with gay-ness.
here's the problem, you can't seem to comprehend the English language.
where did i state that his prancing around naked is related to his
being gay? show me.
> You think it's ok
> to sneer at Shii-Ann for eating with her fingers but it's not Ok to be
> disgusted by a big hairy naked guy at the dinner table?
once again, your English comprehension skills are lacking. i never
said that it was "OK" to be disgusted by a big hairy nake guy at the
dinner table.
show me where i said this.
> I think if anyone is
> dipping in the scooby snacks it is you.I know asians are notorious for that
> and I hear you are asian.At least thats the rumor going around.
not only is your English comprehension skills lacking, but your feeble
attempts at hurling insults is kind of pathetic. but hey, i'm sure
you'll keep trying.
race me
> Thank you for defining female attractiveness for us all, now we don't
> have to make any differences for ourselves... Whew! I think Shii Ann
> was gorgeous.
hey no problem, just let me know if you need any more help
> A white person or group cannot act to ostracize a minority in the way
> a minority could a white person because the white will get called on
> it as discrimination, whereas there is much more freedom to get away
> with stuff like that as a minority.
why would it matter in a social setting? aren't you allowed to chose
who you'd want to associate with? the main point that i was making was
that Asians, IN GENERAL, are significantly less outgoing and much more
introverted than Whites. that's is all.
it's funny that some of these politically correct non-Asian idiots are
taking offense to this. because most Asians will readily agree to this
and most of us do not care. our Asian culture is very introverted
compared to White America. this is not a handicap. maybe on Survivors
it is, but not in virtually every other facets of real life...as
proven by our average median income, level of education, etc.
Nathan Sanders
> taking offense to this. because most Asians will readily agree to this
> and most of us do not care. our Asian culture is very introverted
Which Asian culture? Chinese? Korean? Mongolian? Are you including
Pacific Islanders?
You're lumping a whole lot of very diverse people together in an
overused, and often wrong, stereotype.
> compared to White America. this is not a handicap. maybe on Survivors
> it is, but not in virtually every other facets of real life...as
> proven by our average median income, level of education, etc.
Are you averaging over all Asians, or just those who are in the United
States? If the former, then I think your point is wrong. If the later,
your statistics are skewed.
Nathan
race me
> You "refuted my claims" by claiming your race made you special.Thats playing
> the race card,genius.
again, you need to work on your english comprehension skills. i
clearly gave supporting evidence as to why i would know the asian
culture more than you and the other guy. you are quite stupid if you
think that this is playing the race card. i am not asking for
something special just because i'm asian.
and it would be absurd for you to think that you know more about the
asian culture than i do. or do you?
> And where did I say you didn't know the culture?
1. i stated that i've travelled throughout Asia and have lived among
asians and white america, etc all of my life...therefore i can assert
that, in general, asians are less outgoing than whites.
2. above, you claim that i'm playing the race card....in regards to my
claims in "1".
3. the logical conclusion from 1 & 2, would be that you're i don't
know my own culture (in reference to my conclusion in "1".
> I said peopel can sense
> when someone has prejudice toward a culture,even if it's their own,and they
> will shun you.
is this in english? can you at least try to make some sense? the only
way that what you're saying above can make any sense, is if you get
rid of everything after the last comma.
but geez, let me take a guess as to what you're trying to say
:rolleyes:
a. i said that, IN GENERAL, asians are less outgoing than whites....in
the USA
b. you, are taking offense to this and feel the need to defend us poor
asians. let me guess, you're a white and with a great big heart that's
bleeding with love all over the place
c. you now think that i have some sort of resentment towards my own
race just because i'm criticizing the conduct of an asian contestant
on a tv show
d. either there aren't any other asians interested in Survivors or
they don't read/respond to NGs, or they don't care as much as you do.
e. your posts are hardly comprehensible and now you want to psycho
analyze me?
> Face it...you played the race card while damning Shii-Ann for playing the
> race card,Pretty ironic,huh? Or can asians be ironic?....You're the asian
> you tell me.
this is only true to someone who can't read and write very well in the
english language and therefore cannot ntelligibly understand what i've
posted in this thread.
race me
>
> > > > geez genius, i'm vietnamese,
> > >
> > > Don't play the race card. It's pretty pathetic.
> >
> > now you're being stupid.
>
> Just trying to stay consistent with your posts.
>
> Nathan
> "mentioning race" = "playing the race card", right?
>
then you don't understand what it means to play the race card.
i've listed supporting evidence as to why i would know the asian
culture more than you do. unless you think that you know more about
the asian culture than i. do you?
i did not ask for anything special just because i am asian. understand
now?
Nathan Sanders
> then you don't understand what it means to play the race card.
I don't think anyone does.
> i've listed supporting evidence as to why i would know the asian
> culture more than you do. unless you think that you know more about
> the asian culture than i. do you?
I don't know. Pick a specific Asian culture and we can talk. I've known
lots of Chinese Candians, for example. They were all outgoing.
> i did not ask for anything special just because i am asian. understand
> now?
You're *explicitly* asking that your opinion be given more weight because
you're Asian. That's asking for something special.
What did Shii Ann "ask" for? Nothing explicit as far as I can tell. And
certainly nothing implicit from anyone in the game, with the possible
exception of Ted.
Outside of the game, who cares? Anything she "asks" for can't be given to
her anyway.
Nathan
crownborn
> 1. she's not very good looking, more like...average >
> 3. Shii Ann vs. Rob
> 4. eating hearts, intestines, etc
> pulling that race crap is bullsh*t.
1. Shi-Ann is fine and has a great butt. Much nicer than my ex-wife's
who is Singaporean.
2. There was a concerted effort by Penny to push her down and Penny
achieved that.
3. Robb was a dork.
4. I'm African-American I get busy with chicken necks and gizzards.
If we lived in a perfect world then pulling the race card would never
be an issue but we don't. Her complaint is legit. You do have to work
very hard not to let it get you down, though.
casey
"this is only true to someone who can't read and write very well in the
english language and therefore cannot ntelligibly understand what i've
posted in this thread"
Nice spelling while jumping on my spelling!That goes quite well with your
playing the race card while accusing others of playing the race card!
You seem to at least be consistent in your hypocricy.I respect that!
casey
asking that your opinion on asian culture be given more weight and your
opinion on Shii-Anns looks be given more weight.That is indeed making a
flaming,race card playing ass out of yourself.
casey
besides you or me is reading this thread,and if you cant remember what you
said,thats your prob.But if you have such a short attention span I will
include your post with this one.
By the way, I appreciate you proving my point about assimilating. You said
it was Shii-Anns fault for not blending in.Then I said Rich didn't blend in
or try to act non-gay and he won the Mil.Then you brilliantly point out that
Rich never bitched when they complained about his nakedness.Thanks for
proving my point,genius!news:6d1e5460.02111...@posting.google.com...
casey
about Shii-Ann using the race card while he uses the race card himself.The
header says"from an asian guys perspective".He thinks his opinion of another
asian has more merit because he is asian.Thats playing the race card if
anyone is.
"crownborn" <tru...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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mcr
> taking offense to this. because most Asians will readily agree to this
> and most of us do not care. our Asian culture is very introverted
> compared to White America. this is not a handicap. maybe on Survivors
> it is, but not in virtually every other facets of real life...as
> proven by our average median income, level of education, etc.
Troi oi, raceme. You are embarassing other wordly, well educated
Asians such as myself. Don't know what parts of Asia you lived in but
I would bet that a lot of Asians will take offense at your provincial
generalizations about them. All this over Shii Ann!
Next time, can you not tell the whole world you're Asian when posting
things like this? You're embarassing!
Signed, a Filipina, boarding school in U.S., Uni in England, lived in
HK, Vietnam, Philippines, S.America, Australia, currently living in
Singapore.
casey
He said his generalization offended non-asian politically correct persons.
It didn't OFFEND me at all.I was just struck by the stupidity of it.It has
nothing to do with political correctness.It has everything to do with
stupidity.
First he sought to tell us because he was asian,he was a much better judge
of human beauty than us.Then because he was asian,his opinion on personality
traits are supposed to be superior to us.Then after mentioning the fact he
is asian 3,435 times,he claimed he wasn't playing the race card.
Last time I checked were were all of the same race..the human one.I have
dated a few asian girls,and all were human.Oddly enough,some were
introverts,some loud and obnoxious,most in between.
I have found thats how it is when you don't prejudge people or paint a
whole group with one brush.You find them all fascinating and different.I
would suggest RaceMe get out a little more.
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