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Great moments: Scott boinking Chloe silly.
Scott suggesting that Chloe use hjer political influence to get on the
shuttle.
The IOA rep trying to get a seat on the shuttle.
A man being punched out after trying to get on the shuttle after
losing the lottery.
A keno transmitting an image of Destiny's hull back into the Destiny.
Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
AC
"TB" <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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Your last point presents an interesting writing restriction. Not only your
star survival point, but the ship has been in operation with out destruction
for who long? Nothing has attacked or successfully attacked it. It going to
be a bit odd if a ship turns up capable of destroying Destiny.
I guess this is one of the future writing cock-ups we can look out for!!!!!
AC
Wouter Valentijn
"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> schreef in bericht
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A sistership maybe?
Infiltration?
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David Loewe, Jr.
<li...@valentijn.nu> wrote:
>"AC" <x...@xxx.xxx> schreef
>> "TB" <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote
An Ori type vessel?
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Pete B
Any ship if the shields are down ;)
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>> > Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
>> > could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
>
> Any ship if the shields are down ;)
>
The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me, yay).
So the shields are tuned to that specific environment, the ability to
withstand solar energies.
Maybe it's got an achilles heel, in the same way the replicators could
become immune to almost all energy weapons once they had a taste of them,
but good old fashioned earth bullets would take them out.
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Pete B
says...
> And verily, didst Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> hastily babble thusly:
> >> > Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
> >> > could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
> >
> > Any ship if the shields are down ;)
> >
>
> The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me, yay).
Good guess half the audience ;)
Pelerin Galimatias
>>> > Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
>>> > could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
>>
>> Any ship if the shields are down ;)
>>
>
>The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me, yay).
>So the shields are tuned to that specific environment, the ability to
>withstand solar energies.
>
>Maybe it's got an achilles heel, in the same way the replicators could
>become immune to almost all energy weapons once they had a taste of them,
>but good old fashioned earth bullets would take them out.
>--
beings at the same time, leaving the ship to go on by itself?
Maybe it's like the Rapture concept.
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DJensen
According to Rush's understanding of what he read on the computer,
Destiny was never manned. The plan was for the ship to go off on its own
and the Alterans (as they were called) would gate in once it reached a
networked galaxy. They ascended first, it would seem.
http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Destiny
--
DJensen
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<1853c$4ae52208$45c48ab8$8485@TEKSAVVY.C
OM-Free>,
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Then why did the Destiny have an
environmental system running? Wouldn't
it have made more sense to leave it off
until needed?
TB
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <1853c$4ae52208$45c48ab8$8...@TEKSAVVY.C> > > In article <dster6-gm5....@librarian.sky.com>, spi...@freenet.co.uk says...
> > >> And verily, didst Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> hastily babble thusly:
> > >>>>> Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
> > >>>>> could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
> > >>> Any ship if the shields are down ;)
>
> > >> The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me, yay).
> > >> So the shields are tuned to that specific environment, the ability to
> > >> withstand solar energies.
>
> > >> Maybe it's got an achilles heel, in the same way the replicators could
> > >> become immune to almost all energy weapons once they had a taste of them,
> > >> but good old fashioned earth bullets would take them out.
> > >> --
> > > BTW, where did the Ancients go? Did they all become higher
> > > beings at the same time, leaving the ship to go on by itself?
> > > Maybe it's like the Rapture concept.
>
> > According to Rush's understanding of what he read on the computer,
> > Destiny was never manned. The plan was for the ship to go off on its own
> > and the Alterans (as they were called) would gate in once it reached a
> > networked galaxy. They ascended first, it would seem.
>
> Then why did the Destiny have an
> environmental system running? Wouldn't
> it have made more sense to leave it off
> until needed?
I imagine that the environmental systems were programed to come on the
moment the ship's AI detected the presence of humanoid lifeforms, just
like the systems on Atlantis turned on when the Atlantis Expedition
(TM) arrived).
TB
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <1853c$4ae52208$45c48ab8$8...@TEKSAVVY.C
> > >> And verily, didst Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> hastily babble thusly:
> > >>>>> Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
> > >>>>> could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
> > >>> Any ship if the shields are down ;)
>
> > >> The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me, yay).
> > >> So the shields are tuned to that specific environment, the ability to
> > >> withstand solar energies.
>
> > >> Maybe it's got an achilles heel, in the same way the replicators could
> > >> become immune to almost all energy weapons once they had a taste of them,
> > >> but good old fashioned earth bullets would take them out.
> > >> --
> > > BTW, where did the Ancients go? Did they all become higher
> > > beings at the same time, leaving the ship to go on by itself?
> > > Maybe it's like the Rapture concept.
>
> > According to Rush's understanding of what he read on the computer,
> > Destiny was never manned. The plan was for the ship to go off on its own
> > and the Alterans (as they were called) would gate in once it reached a
> > networked galaxy. They ascended first, it would seem.
>
> Then why did the Destiny have an
> environmental system running? Wouldn't
> it have made more sense to leave it off
> until needed?
I imagine that when the Destiny's stargate received an incoming
wormhole, the AI said "Finally, the Alterans are coming! Better turn
on the life support system!".
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Then why did the Destiny have an
> environmental system running? Wouldn't
> it have made more sense to leave it off
> until needed?
It probably WAS off. Notice the first scene again, the moment the first
person is thrown across the gate room, the lights start coming on?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<49774e0a-6f99-4ed0-935f-709d57ebcf90@g2
2g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
TB <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Which explains how the entire ship was
able to fill with "air" at the correct
pressure and composition so quickly
It also explains why the air
filter/carbon absorption machinery was
broken
Harold Groot
If the ship had never been inhabited, then how come the CO2 absorption
system was exhausted and they were out of spare filter material? That
system should have been pristine if it was just being turned on for
the first time.
TB
The ship was very old, and had been in a battle.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> And verily, didst "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-bug...@invalid.invalid> hastily babble thusly:
>
> > Then why did the Destiny have an
> > environmental system running? Wouldn't
> > it have made more sense to leave it off
> > until needed?
>
> It probably WAS off. Notice the first scene again, the moment the first
> person is thrown across the gate room, the lights start coming on?
and the CO2 scrubbers corroded from non-use, sort of like an old
battery if left for years, yeah?
whodunit
Destiny during her entire existence? Who's to say they are the ONLY
humanoids on her RIGHT NOW? They've shown that the ship is gigantic,
maybe there's a colony of people living at the other end who never got
to the front of the ship...maybe they're the ones blocking Rush's access
to the main computers, etc.
DJensen
As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
incoming wormhole triggered them. It should also be pointed out that
there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the shuttle
that left at the end of part 2?
--
DJensen
Pete B
atlas-...@invalid.invalid says...
Why not?
> Wouldn't
> it have made more sense to leave it off
> until needed?
Made sense from what point of view?
It makes sense to have it on so you can beam there at the drop of a hat,
instead of having to wait for someone to turn on the air - not to
mention I don't think we've ever seen an ancient spacesuit.
Pete B
i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
> > Then why did the Destiny have an
> > environmental system running? Wouldn't
> > it have made more sense to leave it off
> > until needed?
>
> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
> incoming wormhole triggered them. It should also be pointed out that
> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the shuttle
> that left at the end of part 2?
Which wasn't a shuttle.
trag
> And verily, didst Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> hastily babble thusly:
>
> >> > Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
> >> > could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
>
> > Any ship if the shields are down ;)
>
> The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me, yay).
> So the shields are tuned to that specific environment, the ability to
> withstand solar energies.
>
> Maybe it's got an achilles heel, in the same way the replicators could
> become immune to almost all energy weapons once they had a taste of them,
> but good old fashioned earth bullets would take them out.
The answer need not be even that complicated. The surface of our sun
is about 6000C (6273.15K). Obviously, all that's needed is a weapon
which can deliver enough concentrated energy to cause an equivalent
temperature some amount higher than that. Given the tech they've
shown, that's not all that far fetched.
The temperature at the center of the exploding Hiroshima bomb was
about 300,000K (kelvin). The temperature at the center of a modern
multi-stage bomb can be millions or even tens of millions of degrees
kelvin.
The Ori ship weapons look a bit like an expanding force field.
They're certainly slower than light speed, given what's been shown.
Imagine that they are an exploding nuclear weapon (or equivalent
detonation) enclosed in a tubular force field which extends linearly
until it contacts the target. This would deliver energy many orders
of magnitude greater than experienced by passing through the outer
reaches of a Sol-like sun.
It's not at all farfetched that the ship can do a controlled pass
through a star but also be damaged by enemy weapons.
whodunit
From the quick glimpse I got, it looked like an escape pod of some sort.
Maybe R2D2 and C3PO crossed over from a parallel universe...
;-)
DJensen
It wasn't one of Destiny's shuttles, but it looked like a shuttle all
the same.
--
DJensen
Lance Corporal Hammer Schultz
> Your last point presents an interesting writing restriction. Not only your
> star survival point, but the ship has been in operation with out destruction
> for who long? Nothing has attacked or successfully attacked it. It going to
> be a bit odd if a ship turns up capable of destroying Destiny.
Not at all. Space is BIG. Besides the fact that they already assume
Destiny *was* damaged in a fight, there is nothing surprising about a
ship flying (most of the time FTL) for such a long time never having
encountered another ship, let alone one powerful enough to damage it.
--
Lance Corporal "Hammer" Schultz
Promote someone else.
Anim8rFSK
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
> incoming wormhole triggered them.
So who used up all the oxygen? If Destiny was never manned, the air
should have been fine, whether the scrubbers ever worked or not. And a
ship that size should have had air for 80 people for weeks without
recirculating. And the temperature seems to be fine, and the same,
throughout the ship, which tells me life support was already running.
Especially since the bloody thing has holes in it, venting atmosphere.
The LIGHTS probably weren't on, but that's no different than Veridian
Dynamics darkening a room when there's only Black people in it.
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fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
Pete B
whod...@invalid.invalid says...
I'm just repeating what Malozzi said. But yes, it could be the droid
janitorial staff leaving!
Pete B
i_m...@yahoo.ca says...
I'm just repeating what people who worked on the show has said.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4bda1$4ae5c175$45c48ab8$10416@TEKSAVVY.
COM-Free>,
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
I don't think the ship could bring the
air up to the point it was that quickly.
And that doesn't explain why the air
filter broke down.
> It should also be pointed out that
> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the shuttle
> that left at the end of part 2?
Can you imagine a group of people not
leaving evidence of their presence?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<MPG.254fe1a8...@74.209.131.10>
,
Pete B <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote:
To prevent wear and tear on the
systems...like the air filter
>
> > Wouldn't
> > it have made more sense to leave it off
> > until needed?
>
> Made sense from what point of view?
From the point of view that sees leaving
machinery running for 100s of thousands
of years vastly increases the likelihood
of equipment failure
>
> It makes sense to have it on so you can beam there at the drop of a hat,
> instead of having to wait for someone to turn on the air - not to
> mention I don't think we've ever seen an ancient spacesuit.
So the ancients are smart enough to
design a ship that travels in a vacuum
and they haven't the forethought to
design a spacesuit?
Wouter Valentijn
"trag" <tr...@io.com> schreef in bericht
news:82e34f17-47c4-4d1d...@f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Before you reach the surface of the sun you pass the corona, which is even
hotter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona
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Buffy: This is the Initiative Xander. Military guys and scientists do not
make out with each other.
Xander: Well maybe that's what's wrong with the world. Ever think about
that?
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Pete B
It wasn't meant to be running for this long? (or perhaps the cats
sabotaged it)
> > > Wouldn't
> > > it have made more sense to leave it off
> > > until needed?
> >
> > Made sense from what point of view?
>
> From the point of view that sees leaving
> machinery running for 100s of thousands
> of years vastly increases the likelihood
> of equipment failure
Ah, so if it wasn't meant to run for that long its not a problem then.
> > It makes sense to have it on so you can beam there at the drop of a hat,
> > instead of having to wait for someone to turn on the air - not to
> > mention I don't think we've ever seen an ancient spacesuit.
>
>
> So the ancients are smart enough to
> design a ship that travels in a vacuum
> and they haven't the forethought to
> design a spacesuit?
You would have thought they were, wouldn't you?
Or perhaps they think vacuum are for the lesser creatures *g*
Pete B
says...
Which they actually said on the show. Whee.
Dimensional Traveler
>>>> Wouldn't
>>>> it have made more sense to leave it off
>>>> until needed?
>>> Made sense from what point of view?
>> From the point of view that sees leaving
>> machinery running for 100s of thousands
>> of years vastly increases the likelihood
>> of equipment failure
>
> Ah, so if it wasn't meant to run for that long its not a problem then.
>
>>> It makes sense to have it on so you can beam there at the drop of a hat,
>>> instead of having to wait for someone to turn on the air - not to
>>> mention I don't think we've ever seen an ancient spacesuit.
>>
>> So the ancients are smart enough to
>> design a ship that travels in a vacuum
>> and they haven't the forethought to
>> design a spacesuit?
>
> You would have thought they were, wouldn't you?
>
> Or perhaps they think vacuum are for the lesser creatures *g*
You mean I'm the only one who's seen the SGU promo showing at least two
of the cast in spacesuits?
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DJensen
> In article <4bda1$4ae5c175$45c48ab8$10...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
>> incoming wormhole triggered them.
>
> So who used up all the oxygen?
Was the oxygen used up, or was the there too much CO2 and the air too thin?
> If Destiny was never manned, the air
> should have been fine, whether the scrubbers ever worked or not. And a
> ship that size should have had air for 80 people for weeks without
> recirculating.
They're restricted to a small part of the ship, aren't they? I thought
most of the ship was still sealed off.
We don't know enough about the ship or what has happened to it (or in
it) prior to the Icarus survivors arriving. Perhaps there are mechanisms
in the ship that produce C02 as a side effect, or consume/react to
oxygen, perhaps the ship was used to reach/explore/populate Pegasus but
has been empty for 99% of its operation time. It was designed with the
assumption that whoever gated in would know how things works, perhaps
bringing supplies for the ship with them as well.
--
DJensen
DJensen
> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>>> Then why did the Destiny have an
>>> environmental system running? Wouldn't
>>> it have made more sense to leave it off
>>> until needed?
>> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
>> incoming wormhole triggered them.
>
> I don't think the ship could bring the
> air up to the point it was that quickly.
Priority would have been the gate room, the corridors and chambers
beyond that might not have been habitable for a while. They spent a fair
amount of time in the gate room, the only light being the event horizon
itself, before being in any shape to explore the ship.
> And that doesn't explain why the air
> filter broke down.
The filter didn't break, the chemical inside it was past its use-by
date. Perhaps it had been like that since the Destiny's construction
crew vacated, who knows.
>> It should also be pointed out that
>> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the shuttle
>> that left at the end of part 2?
>
> Can you imagine a group of people not
> leaving evidence of their presence?
If they were in parts of the ship the Icarus folk haven't reached, it's
a moot point.
--
DJensen
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<MPG.255051f55...@74.209.131.1
Not that we have seen much of the ship,
but it doesn't look like a generation
ship and we pretty much know that it
wasn't meant to be continuosly occupied,
so yes.
Dimensional Traveler
atoms....
Pete B
says...
> >> To prevent wear and tear on the
> >> systems...like the air filter
> >
> > It wasn't meant to be running for this long? (or perhaps the cats
> > sabotaged it)
> >
> One word: Furballs
*lol* Yeah ok, we've got the cause right there *g*
Anim8rFSK
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <4bda1$4ae5c175$45c48ab8$10...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> > DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
> >> incoming wormhole triggered them.
> >
> > So who used up all the oxygen?
>
> Was the oxygen used up, or was the there too much CO2 and the air too thin?
Fair point, but if the ship was never manned, where did the CO2 come
from?
>
> > If Destiny was never manned, the air
> > should have been fine, whether the scrubbers ever worked or not. And a
> > ship that size should have had air for 80 people for weeks without
> > recirculating.
>
> They're restricted to a small part of the ship, aren't they? I thought
> most of the ship was still sealed off.
They seemed to be wandering all over looking for leaks.
>
> We don't know enough about the ship or what has happened to it (or in
> it) prior to the Icarus survivors arriving. Perhaps there are mechanisms
> in the ship that produce C02 as a side effect, or consume/react to
> oxygen, perhaps the ship was used to reach/explore/populate Pegasus but
> has been empty for 99% of its operation time. It was designed with the
> assumption that whoever gated in would know how things works, perhaps
> bringing supplies for the ship with them as well.
Or maybe the writers are morons? I still want to know why they didn't
just leave the gate open to the desert planet and fill the ship with
fresh air. I really think the writers thin the air on Destiny would get
used up in a few hours without countermeasures.
whodunit
Does oxygen randomly come through the 'puddle'?
Dimensional Traveler
No. Air doesn't pass thru the gates. That got established during SG1.
Wouter Valentijn
They did? Cool! They did their homework. :-)
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
If air did pass through the gate (see below) they wouldn't have to do
anything except open the gate from the planet side, because their air
pressure was low. They could facilitate the process by opening a door
to space at the far end of the ship and letting the fresh air flow
through. But:
>
> No. Air doesn't pass thru the gates. That got established during SG1.
Really? Water does, doesn't it?
Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
And it passes from higher pressure to lower pressure.
DJensen
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>> whodunit wrote:
> If air did pass through the gate (see below) they wouldn't have to do
> anything except open the gate from the planet side, because their air
> pressure was low. They could facilitate the process by opening a door
> to space at the far end of the ship and letting the fresh air flow
> through. But:
>> No. Air doesn't pass thru the gates. That got established during SG1.
>
> Really? Water does, doesn't it?
>
> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
> gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
> suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
That air was in a tube and it was being pumped to the guy through the
wormhole. What you first proposed sounded more like just leaving the
gate open and it'll take care of itself.
--
DJensen
jj
>> Destiny diving into a star in order to refuel. What kind of weapons
>> could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a star?
>Your last point presents an interesting writing restriction. Not only your
>star survival point, but the ship has been in operation with out destruction
>for who long? Nothing has attacked or successfully attacked it. It going to
>be a bit odd if a ship turns up capable of destroying Destiny.
>
>I guess this is one of the future writing cock-ups we can look out for!!!!!
>
>AC
Um, what if a little droid supplies the plans of the Destiny to the
baddies and they discover that there's an unshielded port (defunct
solar scoop?) that leads to the core? A brash young pilot (who target
practiced by "homping" big rats on his home world) will turn off his
targeting computer and score a direct hit.
JM Morrison
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>> whodunit wrote:
>> If air did pass through the gate (see below) they wouldn't have to do
>> anything except open the gate from the planet side, because their air
>> pressure was low. They could facilitate the process by opening a door
>> to space at the far end of the ship and letting the fresh air flow
>> through. But:
>>> No. Air doesn't pass thru the gates. That got established during SG1.
>>
>> Really? Water does, doesn't it?
No. They connected with a gate underwater and sent a submersible
through, but no water came through.
>>
>> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
>> gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
>> suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
The truly excellent 'Torment of Tantalus' season 1 SG-1
>
> That air was in a tube and it was being pumped to the guy through the
> wormhole. What you first proposed sounded more like just leaving the
> gate open and it'll take care of itself.
>
They never established that air passed through the hose. It almost
certainly didn't since it was later established that things going
through the gate dematerialize and rematerialize on the other end. In
fact the scientist who went through probably didn't 'send' until the
gate suddenly shut off.
It's also true that the Earth gate was jury-rigged and abnormal in some
operations, lacking some safety protocols that natural original gates have.
There are 15 seasons of Stargate already behind this. There are
contradictions and mistakes I'm sure, and the writers can make up new
rules all the time. Like the lack of a DHD in Universe. But so far
there is no evidence that air or water travels through the wormhole
without being containerized in some way.
-jmm
szr
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
>> <1853c$4ae52208$45c48ab8$8485@TEKSAVVY.C
>> OM-Free>,
>> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> Pelerin Galimatias wrote:
>>>> In article <dster6-...@librarian.sky.com>,
>>>> spi...@freenet.co.uk says...
>>>>>>>> weapons could damage a ship capable of surviving a dive into a
>>>>>>>> star?
>>>>>>
>>>>> The ship is obviously designed to fuel up on suns (good guess me,
>>>>> yay). So the shields are tuned to that specific environment, the
>>>>> ability to withstand solar energies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe it's got an achilles heel, in the same way the replicators
>>>>> could become immune to almost all energy weapons once they had a
>>>>> taste of them, but good old fashioned earth bullets would take
>>>> BTW, where did the Ancients go? Did they all become higher
>>>> beings at the same time, leaving the ship to go on by itself?
>>>> Maybe it's like the Rapture concept.
>>> According to Rush's understanding of what he read on the computer,
>>> Destiny was never manned. The plan was for the ship to go off on
>>> its own and the Alterans (as they were called) would gate in once
>>> it reached a networked galaxy. They ascended first, it would seem.
>>
>> Then why did the Destiny have an
>> it have made more sense to leave it off
>> until needed?
>
> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the shuttle
> that left at the end of part 2?
I believe that might have been one of it's usual payloads, but as it stands
it's an unknown.
One of the biggest evidences that I see that someone else could be on or has
been on the ship is the airlock door that led to the shuttle with the broken
windows, that's stuck open. If the ship indeed began it's journey unmanned,
than someone had to have opened it. Perhaps the broken window and/or the
inability to seal the airlock is what prompted those inhabitants to flee the
ship.
I doubt any such prior inhabitants would still be aboard, as they would have
suffocated because of the shuttle leaking atmosphere, so it makes the most
sense that the life support was not functioning and came on once the people
from Earth came aboard.
--
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Jette Goldie
What about the time the Russian gate connected to the water world?
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szr
> In article <4ae71f50$0$1636$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
> gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
> suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
> And it passes from higher pressure to lower pressure.
Actually, if other episodes like 48 Hours (SG-1) and that Atlantis ep where
a jumper gets stuck mid-way going into a gate, Dr. Littlefield entered, with
the hose still attached, but very likely had not YET rematerialized on the
other side as the gate prefers to have all of what's entering, but the gate
lost power, cutting off the hose, must like the back end of the staff of an
escaping Jaffa in Point of View (SG-1)
Also the 2nd episode of SG-1, The Enemy Within, Teal'c hold's the back of
Kowalski's head in the puddle as the gate is shutdown, cutting it off
(...can anyone imagine what someone on the other end of that wormhole would
have thought when the back of Kowalski's head fell out of the puddle? Heh.
:-) )
--
szr
Wouter Valentijn
Wasn't that Jack?
TB
Keeping the gate open would use up precious power.
szr
> szr wrote:
>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>> In article <4ae71f50$0$1636$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>
>> [...]
>>> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened
>>> the gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea
>>> diver's suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate
>>> THAT way. And it passes from higher pressure to lower pressure.
>>
>> Actually, if other episodes like 48 Hours (SG-1) and that Atlantis ep
>> where a jumper gets stuck mid-way going into a gate, Dr. Littlefield
>> entered, with the hose still attached, but very likely had not YET
>> rematerialized on the other side as the gate prefers to have all of
>> what's entering, but the gate lost power, cutting off the hose, must
>> like the back end of the staff of an escaping Jaffa in Point of View
>> (SG-1)
>> Also the 2nd episode of SG-1, The Enemy Within, Teal'c hold's the
>> back of Kowalski's head in the puddle as the gate is shutdown,
>> cutting it off (...can anyone imagine what someone on the other end
>> of that wormhole would have thought when the back of Kowalski's head
>> fell out of the puddle? Heh. :-) )
>
> Wasn't that Jack?
No, Jack was in the control room, using the mic to say, "Teal'c!... Hold him
there!", while waiting for the right moment to shutdown the gate.
--
szr
Dimensional Traveler
about how the gates must have some kind of "intent" detector. (Hey, I
did say techno-babble!) Water will go thru (syndication just aired a
season 5 SGA episode where that was an issue, the team dialed back to
Atlantis via a submerged gate and told them to leave the shield up to
avoid flooding the base) but they can go from an air environment to a
water environment because the gates are one-way. (And no, I have no
idea how they recovered the sub from that episode. Lots of mops
afterwards I expect.)
Anim8rFSK
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Yes, that's what I was proposing. I don't see the difference; air flows
through from higher pressure to lower pressure. If the gate does
somehow stop ambient air, just sticking any kind of cylinder in the
opening should still let air flow from the planet to the ship.
Anim8rFSK
JM Morrison <jmmn...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> DJensen wrote:
> > Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >>> whodunit wrote:
> >> If air did pass through the gate (see below) they wouldn't have to do
> >> anything except open the gate from the planet side, because their air
> >> pressure was low. They could facilitate the process by opening a door
> >> to space at the far end of the ship and letting the fresh air flow
> >> through. But:
> >>> No. Air doesn't pass thru the gates. That got established during SG1.
> >>
> >> Really? Water does, doesn't it?
>
> No. They connected with a gate underwater and sent a submersible
> through, but no water came through.
Because the gate is one way. I wouldn't expect water to come through
until the submersible returned, and I don't recall what happened there.
>
> >>
> >> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
> >> gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
> >> suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
>
> The truly excellent 'Torment of Tantalus' season 1 SG-1
> >
> > That air was in a tube and it was being pumped to the guy through the
> > wormhole. What you first proposed sounded more like just leaving the
> > gate open and it'll take care of itself.
> >
>
> They never established that air passed through the hose. It almost
> certainly didn't since it was later established that things going
> through the gate dematerialize and rematerialize on the other end. In
> fact the scientist who went through probably didn't 'send' until the
> gate suddenly shut off.
>
> It's also true that the Earth gate was jury-rigged and abnormal in some
> operations, lacking some safety protocols that natural original gates have.
>
> There are 15 seasons of Stargate already behind this. There are
> contradictions and mistakes I'm sure, and the writers can make up new
> rules all the time. Like the lack of a DHD in Universe. But so far
> there is no evidence that air or water travels through the wormhole
> without being containerized in some way.
But is there evidence that it doesn't?
Anim8rFSK
"szr" <s...@sREzMOrVEoman.com> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <4ae71f50$0$1636$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
> > Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> [...]
> > Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
> > gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
> > suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
> > And it passes from higher pressure to lower pressure.
>
> Actually, if other episodes like 48 Hours (SG-1) and that Atlantis ep where
> a jumper gets stuck mid-way going into a gate, Dr. Littlefield entered, with
> the hose still attached, but very likely had not YET rematerialized on the
> other side as the gate prefers to have all of what's entering, but the gate
> lost power, cutting off the hose, must like the back end of the staff of an
> escaping Jaffa in Point of View (SG-1)
I'm assuming the air hose acted like the rope supporting Teal'c in 100
Days.
>
> Also the 2nd episode of SG-1, The Enemy Within, Teal'c hold's the back of
> Kowalski's head in the puddle as the gate is shutdown, cutting it off
> (...can anyone imagine what someone on the other end of that wormhole would
> have thought when the back of Kowalski's head fell out of the puddle? Heh.
> :-) )
--
Anim8rFSK
<55dcadf2-5fba-4ce3...@o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
TB <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
If dialed from the other side? Do we know that?
And if it works, it's still well worth it.
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
Okay, thanks, that's what I recalled, and what I'd expect water to do.
I'd also expect air to act like water. I mean, is air the ONLY thing
the gate won't pass?
Pete B
says...
> > Which they actually said on the show. Whee.
>
> They did? Cool! They did their homework. :-)
>
>
>
Brad Wright is very into that aspect of things, so perhaps he was just
drawing on personal knowledge, and as soon as others start writing it
those facts disapper :)
Homer L. Hazel
> No, Jack was in the control room, using the mic to say, "Teal'c!... Hold
> him there!", while waiting for the right moment to shutdown the gate.
>
> --
> szr
>
>
>
Okay - in an episode of SG1, Jack held the gate open by keeping his arm in
the gate. In an episode of SGU, somebody (don't know their names yet)
kept the gate open by holding an arm in it.
How is it that Jack could shut down the gate with Kowalski's head in it?
DJensen
Jack held his arm in so the gate wouldn't close and give the shady folks
time to dial an escape route from the Asgards they'd stolen from. He
didn't intend to keep the wormhole open forever, just to prevent it from
closing before the 38 minutes. In SGU, Rush had Eli stick his arm in to
prevent the wormhole from closing or being closed by the ship, which
would stop the ship from jumping to FTL before Greer and Scott could get
back with the sand.
--
DJensen
DJensen
> In article <b542b$4ae751a3$45c48ab8$17...@TEKSAVVY.COM-Free>,
> DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>> whodunit wrote:
>>> If air did pass through the gate (see below) they wouldn't have to do
>>> anything except open the gate from the planet side, because their air
>>> pressure was low. They could facilitate the process by opening a door
>>> to space at the far end of the ship and letting the fresh air flow
>>> through. But:
>>>> No. Air doesn't pass thru the gates. That got established during SG1.
>>> Really? Water does, doesn't it?
>>>
>>> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened the
>>> gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea diver's
>>> suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate THAT way.
>> That air was in a tube and it was being pumped to the guy through the
>> wormhole. What you first proposed sounded more like just leaving the
>> gate open and it'll take care of itself.
>
> Yes, that's what I was proposing. I don't see the difference; air flows
> through from higher pressure to lower pressure. If the gate does
> somehow stop ambient air, just sticking any kind of cylinder in the
> opening should still let air flow from the planet to the ship.
If air could pass through, the worm hole would always stay open the full
38 minutes.
--
DJensen
DJensen
> TB <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>> On Oct 27, 8:52 am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Or maybe the writers are morons? I still want to know why they didn't
>>> just leave the gate open to the desert planet and fill the ship with
>>> fresh air. I really think the writers thin the air on Destiny would get
>>> used up in a few hours without countermeasures.
>> Keeping the gate open would use up precious power.
>
> If dialed from the other side? Do we know that?
The dialling gate powers the connection, as I recall.
alt.humor.puns, alt.humor, alt.humor, rec.humor removed. Is TB little
Timmy Bruening? Shame on you Tim, and back on the killfile for you.
--
DJensen
DJensen
> DJensen wrote:
>> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
>> incoming wormhole triggered them. It should also be pointed out that
>> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the shuttle
>> that left at the end of part 2?
>
> I believe that might have been one of it's usual payloads, but as it stands
> it's an unknown.
Payloads? Of what? What could Destiny have so much of that it's still
making regular deliveries hundreds of thousands of years later?
> One of the biggest evidences that I see that someone else could be on or has
> been on the ship is the airlock door that led to the shuttle with the broken
> windows, that's stuck open. If the ship indeed began it's journey unmanned,
> than someone had to have opened it. Perhaps the broken window and/or the
> inability to seal the airlock is what prompted those inhabitants to flee the
> ship.
The airlock to the other shuttle was open when they found it, wasn't it?
I think it was just a matter of the door being damaged, so Destiny
couldn't close it to seal off the damaged shuttle.
> I doubt any such prior inhabitants would still be aboard, as they would have
> suffocated because of the shuttle leaking atmosphere, so it makes the most
> sense that the life support was not functioning and came on once the people
> from Earth came aboard.
Unless they breathed something other than oxygen...
--
DJensen
TB
> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
> Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
I'm sad to learn that pregnancies are terminated on "Defiling
Gravity".
szr
> Homer L. Hazel wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> No, Jack was in the control room, using the mic to say, "Teal'c!...
>>> Hold him there!", while waiting for the right moment to shutdown the
>>> gate.
>>
>> arm in the gate. In an episode of SGU, somebody (don't know their
>> names yet) kept the gate open by holding an arm in it.
>>
>> How is it that Jack could shut down the gate with Kowalski's head in
>> it?
>
> Jack held his arm in so the gate wouldn't close and give the shady
> folks time to dial an escape route from the Asgards they'd stolen
> from. He didn't intend to keep the wormhole open forever, just to
> prevent it from closing before the 38 minutes. In SGU, Rush had Eli
> stick his arm in to prevent the wormhole from closing or being closed
> by the ship, which would stop the ship from jumping to FTL before
> Greer and Scott could get back with the sand.
Also, in the Kowalski scenario, the object (in this case, Kowalski's
snake-infested head) was in the *originating* end, while Shades of Grey
(SG-1) where Jack sticks his arm in the gate, and ditto for the same thing
in SGU, it's on the *destination* end.
So it would appear objects that have not fully *entered* a gate when it
shuts down can get literally cut off, while objects that have not fully
emerged and/or have partially reentered (ie, sticking your arm back in) can
prevent it from closing right away (I don't believe it would prevent it from
closing at the 38 ~ min window, however.)
--
szr
whodunit
called, like John Shepard and Elizabeth Weir were in SGA? And what if
the ship starting up for the Icarus group triggers the stasis into
waking them up?
Oops, I'm hearing Kirk scream "Khaaaaaaaannnn!!!" right about
now--there's a distinct possibility I'm channeling a Star Trek episode! ;-)
szr
> szr wrote:
>> DJensen wrote:
>>> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
>>> incoming wormhole triggered them. It should also be pointed out that
>>> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the
>>> shuttle that left at the end of part 2?
>>
>> I believe that might have been one of it's usual payloads, but as it
>> stands it's an unknown.
>
> Payloads? Of what? What could Destiny have so much of that it's still
> making regular deliveries hundreds of thousands of years later?
Wasn't the ship depositing gates on habitable planets as it went along? Or
was that a ship that came before that? I seem to recall something but cannot
remember for sure. If it was the latter, then I don't know what that could
have been.
>> One of the biggest evidences that I see that someone else could be
>> on or has been on the ship is the airlock door that led to the
>> shuttle with the broken windows, that's stuck open. If the ship
>> indeed began it's journey unmanned, than someone had to have opened
>> it. Perhaps the broken window and/or the inability to seal the
>> airlock is what prompted those inhabitants to flee the ship.
>
> The airlock to the other shuttle was open when they found it, wasn't
> it? I think it was just a matter of the door being damaged, so Destiny
> couldn't close it to seal off the damaged shuttle.
Well that's always possible; that shuttle got damage, the ship detected it,
and tried to seal that airlock door. Perhaps whatever damaged that shuttle
is what damaged the airlock door as well?
>> I doubt any such prior inhabitants would still be aboard, as they
>> would have suffocated because of the shuttle leaking atmosphere, so
>> it makes the most sense that the life support was not functioning
>> and came on once the people from Earth came aboard.
>
> Unless they breathed something other than oxygen...
Even if so, unless they brought their own supply, I don't see how they could
survive for long. While it's not impossible the ship's life support system
might be adaptive enough, there has thus far been no evidence of it being
able to provide anything other than oxygen. Also, what we know of the
Ancients, as well as their allies (Asgard, Nox, and Furlings), they all
breathed air just like we do.
Dimensional Traveler
transports. There's no pressure differential because the air masses
aren't ever in direct contact.
Dimensional Traveler
Atlantis gate dials one of the space gates in Pegasus.
Pete B
says...
> >
>
> Okay - in an episode of SG1, Jack held the gate open by keeping his arm in
> the gate. In an episode of SGU, somebody (don't know their names yet)
> kept the gate open by holding an arm in it.
>
> How is it that Jack could shut down the gate with Kowalski's head in it?
Because he shut it down - the other times it was on automatic - like a
photocell door doesn't close if you are standing in the scanning zone -
but it can be overridden.
Anim8rFSK
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Okay, that's the best arguement I've heard yet. :)
Anim8rFSK
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > TB <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >> On Oct 27, 8:52 am, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
> >>> Or maybe the writers are morons? I still want to know why they didn't
> >>> just leave the gate open to the desert planet and fill the ship with
> >>> fresh air. I really think the writers thin the air on Destiny would get
> >>> used up in a few hours without countermeasures.
> >> Keeping the gate open would use up precious power.
> >
> > If dialed from the other side? Do we know that?
>
> The dialling gate powers the connection, as I recall.
Yeah, that's what I remembered. In which case, repeatedly dialing from
the planet should be a GOOD thing.
whodunit
This might cheer you up:
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/gbenson/2009/10/27/law-and-order-tackles-abortion/
DJensen
> DJensen wrote:
>> szr wrote:
>>> DJensen wrote:
>>>> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
>>>> incoming wormhole triggered them. It should also be pointed out that
>>>> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the
>>>> shuttle that left at the end of part 2?
>>> I believe that might have been one of it's usual payloads, but as it
>>> stands it's an unknown.
>> Payloads? Of what? What could Destiny have so much of that it's still
>> making regular deliveries hundreds of thousands of years later?
>
> Wasn't the ship depositing gates on habitable planets as it went along? Or
> was that a ship that came before that? I seem to recall something but cannot
> remember for sure. If it was the latter, then I don't know what that could
> have been.
Destiny is following the gate seeder ship that networked the galaxies
it's passed through to this point.
--
DJensen
Jette Goldie
If air passed through the gate, the gate room would always be at risk
when they dialed up to a planet with a poisonous atmosphere. They
wouldn't need a MALP to check if the planet was safe - they'd just
stick a canary next to the gate.
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come thru.
Seth
news:ce54c6d9-49c3-489d...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
No, just 1 (that we were made aware of) was. Who knows how many pregnancies
were taken to term but just weren't discussed as they weren't relevant to
the story.
They only brought up 1 specific pregnancy (Zoe) and covered her choice on
the matter.
TB
> Dimensional Traveler wrote:
> > Anim8rFSK wrote:
> >> Dimensional Traveler <dtra...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
> >>> JM Morrison wrote:
> >>>> DJensen wrote:
> >>>>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
Thus outraging animal rights groups!
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Okay - in an episode of SG1, Jack held the gate open by keeping his arm in
> the gate. In an episode of SGU, somebody (don't know their names yet)
> kept the gate open by holding an arm in it.
>
> How is it that Jack could shut down the gate with Kowalski's head in it?
>
possible (up to its natural limit of about 38 minutes).
Jack ordered the gate to be forcibly shut down, bypassing the safeties.
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> Also, in the Kowalski scenario, the object (in this case, Kowalski's
> snake-infested head) was in the *originating* end, while Shades of Grey
> (SG-1) where Jack sticks his arm in the gate, and ditto for the same thing
> in SGU, it's on the *destination* end.
>
> So it would appear objects that have not fully *entered* a gate when it
> shuts down can get literally cut off, while objects that have not fully
> emerged and/or have partially reentered (ie, sticking your arm back in) can
> prevent it from closing right away (I don't believe it would prevent it from
> closing at the 38 ~ min window, however.)
>
held his arm in. I don't think destination or originating make a difference
though.
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Anim8rFSK
"szr" <s...@sREzMOrVEoman.com> wrote:
> DJensen wrote:
> > szr wrote:
> >> DJensen wrote:
> >>> As others have said, it looks like the systems were off until the
> >>> incoming wormhole triggered them. It should also be pointed out that
> >>> there may have been people aboard at the time -- remember the
> >>> shuttle that left at the end of part 2?
> >>
> >> I believe that might have been one of it's usual payloads, but as it
> >> stands it's an unknown.
> >
> > Payloads? Of what? What could Destiny have so much of that it's still
> > making regular deliveries hundreds of thousands of years later?
>
> Wasn't the ship depositing gates on habitable planets as it went along? Or
> was that a ship that came before that? I seem to recall something but cannot
> remember for sure. If it was the latter, then I don't know what that could
> have been.
The original press releases said Destiny was seeding the gates
themselves, but in the series, it seems to be just visiting old gates,
for no reason at all.
--
Anim8rFSK
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
But Atlantis has a magic invisible shield. :)
Dan
>Okay, thanks, that's what I recalled, and what I'd expect water to do.
>I'd also expect air to act like water. I mean, is air the ONLY thing
>the gate won't pass?
If air *did* pass, Atlantis would have had serious issues every time
they dialed a space gate. :)
Dan
DJensen
> "szr" <s...@sREzMOrVEoman.com> wrote:
>> DJensen wrote:
>>> Payloads? Of what? What could Destiny have so much of that it's still
>>> making regular deliveries hundreds of thousands of years later?
>> Wasn't the ship depositing gates on habitable planets as it went along? Or
>> was that a ship that came before that? I seem to recall something but cannot
>> remember for sure. If it was the latter, then I don't know what that could
>> have been.
>
> The original press releases said Destiny was seeding the gates
> themselves, but in the series, it seems to be just visiting old gates,
> for no reason at all.
Not "for no reason at all"; Destiny was to be the launch pad for
exploring (and populating? that part isn't clear) the galaxies that had
already been seeded. A galaxy would be seeded, Destiny would arrive, and
the Alterans would gate to it (since they'd know it's gate address but
none of the ones in the new galaxy) and explore.
--
DJensen
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Not "for no reason at all"; Destiny was to be the launch pad for
> exploring (and populating? that part isn't clear) the galaxies that had
> already been seeded. A galaxy would be seeded, Destiny would arrive, and
> the Alterans would gate to it (since they'd know it's gate address but
> none of the ones in the new galaxy) and explore.
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JM Morrison
In article <4ae77719$0$1592$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>> There was some techno-babble throwaway line in one of the SG1 episodes
>> about how the gates must have some kind of "intent" detector. (Hey, I
>> did say techno-babble!) Water will go thru (syndication just aired a
>> season 5 SGA episode where that was an issue, the team dialed back to
>> Atlantis via a submerged gate and told them to leave the shield up to
>> avoid flooding the base) but they can go from an air environment to a
>> water environment because the gates are one-way. (And no, I have no
>> idea how they recovered the sub from that episode. Lots of mops
>> afterwards I expect.)
Did they really? Now I remember why I gave up on Atlantis back in the
second season.
-jmm
szr
> And so it was that in the sacred domain of alt.tv.stargate-universe,
> szr <s...@srezmorveoman.com> uttered the following pearls of wisdom:
>> Also, in the Kowalski scenario, the object (in this case, Kowalski's
>> snake-infested head) was in the *originating* end, while Shades of
>> Grey (SG-1) where Jack sticks his arm in the gate, and ditto for the
>> same thing in SGU, it's on the *destination* end.
>>
>> So it would appear objects that have not fully *entered* a gate when
>> it shuts down can get literally cut off, while objects that have not
>> fully emerged and/or have partially reentered (ie, sticking your arm
>> back in) can prevent it from closing right away (I don't believe it
>> would prevent it from closing at the 38 ~ min window, however.)
>>
> IIRC, jack didn't stick his hand back in, he stepped out of the gate
> and held his arm in.
I think you might be right, although I'm wondering if that is in fact
possible, as don't you usually get fully ejected in order to actually be
rematerialized, otherwise you'd have missing or partial body
parts/organs/etc while the rest of you is still in the gate, which could be
very problematic I'd imagine.
> I don't think destination or originating make a a difference though.
Yeah, as long as you have no part of you still in it when it shuts off :)
--
szr
Wouter Valentijn
> Wouter Valentijn wrote:
>> szr wrote:
>>> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>>>> In article <4ae71f50$0$1636$742e...@news.sonic.net>,
>>>> Dimensional Traveler <dtr...@sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>> [...]
>>>> Hey - wait a minute. Remember the episode where they first opened
>>>> the gate decades earlier and sent the guy through in the deep sea
>>>> diver's suit? Air hose and all? Air sure passes through the gate
>>>
>>> Actually, if other episodes like 48 Hours (SG-1) and that Atlantis
>>> ep where a jumper gets stuck mid-way going into a gate, Dr.
>>> Littlefield entered, with the hose still attached, but very likely
>>> had not YET rematerialized on the other side as the gate prefers to
>>> have all of what's entering, but the gate lost power, cutting off
>>> the hose, must like the back end of the staff of an escaping Jaffa
>>> in Point of View (SG-1)
>>> Also the 2nd episode of SG-1, The Enemy Within, Teal'c hold's the
>>> back of Kowalski's head in the puddle as the gate is shutdown,
>>> cutting it off (...can anyone imagine what someone on the other end
>>> of that wormhole would have thought when the back of Kowalski's head
>>> fell out of the puddle? Heh. :-) )
>>
>> Wasn't that Jack?
>
> No, Jack was in the control room, using the mic to say, "Teal'c!...
> Hold him there!", while waiting for the right moment to shutdown the
> gate.
Ah... Okay. It's been a while since I saw that one.
--
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that?
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Wouter Valentijn
> In article <4ae7339d$0$83232$e4fe...@news.xs4all.nl>,
> li...@valentijn.nu says...
>>> Which they actually said on the show. Whee.
>>
>> They did? Cool! They did their homework. :-)
>>
>>
>>
>
> Brad Wright is very into that aspect of things, so perhaps he was just
> drawing on personal knowledge, and as soon as others start writing it
> those facts disapper :)
Too bad! :-)
Jette Goldie
Does it matter?
Seth
news:hca1vk$qli$2...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Seth wrote:
>> "TB" <tsbr...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:ce54c6d9-49c3-489d...@r24g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Oct 27, 4:23 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Stargate Universe SGU: It puts the "U" in "SUCKS"!
>>>> It's the show 'Defiling Gravity' would be if DG had more regulars,
>>>> fewer abortions, worse writers, and no budget for lighting.
>>>> Remember, you can't spell "disgust" without SGU!
>>>
>>> I'm sad to learn that pregnancies are terminated on "Defiling
>>> Gravity".
>>
>> No, just 1 (that we were made aware of) was. Who knows how many
>> pregnancies were taken to term but just weren't discussed as they weren't
>> relevant to the story.
>>
>> They only brought up 1 specific pregnancy (Zoe) and covered her choice on
>> the matter.
>
> Does it matter?
Probably not. I think TB was just trying to stir the pot by creating
controversy where there was none.
PV
>Okay - in an episode of SG1, Jack held the gate open by keeping his arm in
>the gate. In an episode of SGU, somebody (don't know their names yet)
>kept the gate open by holding an arm in it.
>
>How is it that Jack could shut down the gate with Kowalski's head in it?
The earth gate is operated differently, and the gate room can force it to
shut off. Also note that it's been established that stargate command never
bothered implementing many of the safety procedures built into a real DHD.
I think it was Ba'al who explained that. *
--
* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
DJensen
> DJensen wrote:
>> That air was in a tube and it was being pumped to the guy through the
>> wormhole. What you first proposed sounded more like just leaving the
>> gate open and it'll take care of itself.
>
> They never established that air passed through the hose. It almost
> certainly didn't since it was later established that things going
> through the gate dematerialize and rematerialize on the other end. In
> fact the scientist who went through probably didn't 'send' until the
> gate suddenly shut off.
I just remembered the prison planet episode, in which gruel is delivered
by gate. The prisoners put a trough at the event horizon to collect it,
but the slop comes through in a stream (no delivery tube or slide of its
own). So it would seem liquids and the like can pass through without
being discrete units wholly dematerialized at one end and rematerialized
once completely through the gate.
The air tube complicates the matter, but the air pumped inside should
have passed through and materialized (assuming he was on the other side
to inhale it).
--
DJensen
Dimensional Traveler
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> "Homer L. Hazel" <home...@coxSPAM.net> writes:
>>Okay - in an episode of SG1, Jack held the gate open by keeping his arm in
>>the gate. In an episode of SGU, somebody (don't know their names yet)
>>kept the gate open by holding an arm in it.
>>
>>How is it that Jack could shut down the gate with Kowalski's head in it?
>
> The earth gate is operated differently, and the gate room can force it to
> shut off. Also note that it's been established that stargate command never
> bothered implementing many of the safety procedures built into a real DHD.
> I think it was Ba'al who explained that. *
Sam mentioned it too... When the sun of the planet they were visiting
turned red after getting contaminated by heavy elements deposited by the
wormhole passing straight through its core. (Red Sky?)
Anim8rFSK
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
And . . . let's forget the deep sea diver completely.
I just watched it. They never really show us what happened; just old
choppy newsreel footage, and all the records were lost.
We see the diver go in the gate, the gate shuts off (there may or may
not be an edit there, so we're not sure how much time passed) and . . .
that's it. When we see the guy 50 years later he's half crazy, and no
record exists of the experiment or whether they ever tried again, or why
not.
The only data point to be gained was Sam explaining that the receiving
gate is a superconductor that stores incoming energy, so I was right
that the people on the desert planet in SGU should have been dialing the
Destiny repeatedly; that wouldn't be draining Destiny's gate, it would
be charging it up. Of course, you don't want to do that so many times
that the planet gate stops working. :)
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