Questions For Emily Young: Spoilers For SGU Series
Tim Bruening
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I would like someone to ask Emily the following questions: What makes
her think that her husband Everett is still having an affair with "that
woman" on the Destiny? Did someone connected with the Destiny project
tell her? If so, whom? Did that person tell her how he/she knows that
Everett is still having an affair? What did that person see or hear
that convinced him/her that Everett was still cheating on his wife?
If Emily's informant did not tell her how he/she knows that Everett is
still boinking "that woman" or "HER" silly, Emily should ask him/her the
next time her informant visits her.
Tim Bruening
Who would be the best person to ask Emily searching questions about how
she knows that her hubby is still c heating on her on the Destiny, and
about how her informant knows?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B40F8C7...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> Who would be the best person to ask Emily searching questions about how
> she knows that her hubby is still c heating on her on the Destiny, and
> about how her informant knows?
No one. Since she doesn't know that her
hubby is still cheating.
Tim Bruening
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Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B40F8C7...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Who would be the best person to ask Emily searching questions about how
> > she knows that her hubby is still cheating on her on the Destiny, and
> > about how her informant knows?
>
> No one. Since she doesn't know that her
> hubby is still cheating.
I could have sworn in the episode "Life" that I heard Emily tell her husband
Everett Young that she knew that he was still having an affair on the
Destiny. Everett then tried to attack David Telford, accusing him of telling
her, but Telford had the comstone turned off. Later, Everett stoned to Earth
again and beat the living crap out of Telford.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
In "Life", Emily said that she knew that her husband was still cheating on
her with that same woman he had boinked back on Earth and who came to the
Destiny with him. I would like someone to ask her questions such as:
What makes you think that your husband is cheating on you on the Destiny?
Did Telford tell you so? If so, what did he see or hear on the Destiny to
convince him that your husband is sleeping with that woman on the Destiny?
If Telford has not told you how he knows, you should ask him the next time he
comes over for dinner and wine!
Chet Weaver
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4B40F869...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> Spoilers Through December 4:
>
Maybe you should have that be "Spoilers through Episode #." I think the
date of posting suggests an episode aired that day and, considering it's
only two in this beautiful Monday afternoon here in California as of this
posting, I'm pretty sure it hasn't.
> I would like someone to ask Emily the following questions: What makes
> her think that her husband Everett is still having an affair with "that
> woman" on the Destiny? Did someone connected with the Destiny project
> tell her? If so, whom? Did that person tell her how he/she knows that
> Everett is still having an affair? What did that person see or hear
> that convinced him/her that Everett was still cheating on his wife?
>
> If Emily's informant did not tell her how he/she knows that Everett is
> still boinking "that woman" or "HER" silly, Emily should ask him/her the
> next time her informant visits her.
Oh, I'm sure all these answers will come to light on their own once they're
somehow relevant to whatever's going on at the time other than the state of
their marriage. It's a bit late in this stage of their relationship for
someone to walk up and ask these sorts of questions. It's not really the
sort of thing that comes up in casual conversations.
-- Chet Weaver
"World leaders and shield eaters have many likes alike."
-- Hylian proverb
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B41A3C5...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > Who would be the best person to ask Emily searching questions about how
> > > she knows that her hubby is still c heating on her on the Destiny, and
> > > about how her informant knows?
> >
> > No one. Since she doesn't know that her
> > hubby is still cheating.
>
> In "Life", Emily said that she knew that her husband was still cheating on
> her with that same woman he had boinked back on Earth and who came to the
> Destiny with him. I would like someone to ask her questions such as:
She may "know" but she has no proof,
ergo, she does not in fact know
>
> What makes you think that your husband is cheating on you on the Destiny?
>
> Did Telford tell you so? If so, what did he see or hear on the Destiny to
> convince him that your husband is sleeping with that woman on the Destiny?
> If Telford has not told you how he knows, you should ask him the next time he
> comes over for dinner and wine!
Even assuming she would ask Telford,
what would make her believe him?
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I was thinking that Everett could ask Emily my suggested questions to find out
what makes her think that he's still cheating on her and also to get her to
question her conviction that her husband is sleeping with that woman on the
Destiny.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B41A3C5...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > > > Who would be the best person to ask Emily searching questions about how
> > > > she knows that her hubby is still c heating on her on the Destiny, and
> > > > about how her informant knows?
> > >
> > > No one. Since she doesn't know that her
> > > hubby is still cheating.
> >
> > In "Life", Emily said that she knew that her husband was still cheating on
> > her with that same woman he had boinked back on Earth and who came to the
> > Destiny with him. I would like someone to ask her questions such as:
>
> She may "know" but she has no proof,
> ergo, she does not in fact know
Maybe she thinks she has proof, in the form of statements made by her good friend
David Telford!
> > What makes you think that your husband is cheating on you on the Destiny?
> >
> > Did Telford tell you so? If so, what did he see or hear on the Destiny to
> > convince him that your husband is sleeping with that woman on the Destiny?
> > If Telford has not told you how he knows, you should ask him the next time he
> > comes over for dinner and wine!
>
> Even assuming she would ask Telford,
> what would make her believe him?
I was thinking that Telford might have told Emily that her husband is still
cheating on her as a way to wedge Emily away from Everett and get her to sleep with
Telford instead. If so, I would like Emily to ask Telford (if she hasn't already)
what he heard or saw during his visits to the Destiny to make him think that
there's an Everett affair going on (Telford might say that he had seen Everett
kissing TJ or Woman X passionately, or heard rumors of an Everett affair on the
Destiny grapevine, or even had TJ kiss HIM while he was in Everett's body!) . If
Telford can't answer that question, then Emily should question her conviction that
her husband is still having an affair!
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B427E3C...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > She may "know" but she has no proof,
> > ergo, she does not in fact know
>
> Maybe she thinks she has proof, in the form of statements made by her good
> friend
> David Telford!
What proof do you have that Telford is a
"good friend"?
> > Even assuming she would ask Telford,
> > what would make her believe him?
>
> I was thinking that Telford might have told Emily that her husband is still
> cheating on her as a way to wedge Emily away from Everett and get her to
> sleep with
> Telford instead. If so, I would like Emily to ask Telford (if she hasn't
> already)
> what he heard or saw during his visits to the Destiny to make him think that
> there's an Everett affair going on (Telford might say that he had seen
> Everett
> kissing TJ or Woman X passionately, or heard rumors of an Everett affair on
> the
> Destiny grapevine, or even had TJ kiss HIM while he was in Everett's body!) .
> If
> Telford can't answer that question, then Emily should question her conviction
> that
> her husband is still having an affair!
Once again, what reason has Emily to
believe Telford?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B427E3C...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > > She may "know" but she has no proof,
> > > ergo, she does not in fact know
> >
> > Maybe she thinks she has proof, in the form of statements made by her good
> > friend
> > David Telford!
>
> What proof do you have that Telford is a
> "good friend"?
I saw them drinking wine and laughing together in the episode "Life". That seems
to be all the proof Everett Young needs!
> > > Even assuming she would ask Telford,
> > > what would make her believe him?
> >
> > I was thinking that Telford might have told Emily that her husband is still
> > cheating on her as a way to wedge Emily away from Everett and get her to
> > sleep with
> > Telford instead. If so, I would like Emily to ask Telford (if she hasn't
> > already)
> > what he heard or saw during his visits to the Destiny to make him think that
> > there's an Everett affair going on (Telford might say that he had seen
> > Everett
> > kissing TJ or Woman X passionately, or heard rumors of an Everett affair on
> > the
> > Destiny grapevine, or even had TJ kiss HIM while he was in Everett's body!) .
> > If
> > Telford can't answer that question, then Emily should question her conviction
> > that
> > her husband is still having an affair!
>
> Once again, what reason has Emily to
> believe Telford?
I: Everett ought to ask Emily that very question the next time he visits her.
II: Emily would probably answer that "since Telford has been visiting the Destiny,
he would know whether or not you are having an affair there. He has told me that
you are having an affair with that same women you were having an affair with on
Earth! I know that you have a predilection for having affairs, so I believe him!".
III: Then Everett should ask "What concrete evidence did Telford present to you? I
want specifics, so that I can answer your concerns. I want a fair chance to
convince you that I am not having an affair!".
IV: As of the episode "Life", Emily seems to find Telford more believable than she
finds Everett!
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
The fact that Everett had an affair while on Earth, and is now stuck a billion
light years away with that same woman he had an affair with!
I might ask you "What reason would Emily have to believe Everett when he tells her
that his affair with that woman is over?". That is the problem Everett is facing
now. To shake Emily's conviction that her hubby is cheating on her again, I would
like to ask her what concrete evidence, if any, she has.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B434CBE...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > Once again, what reason has Emily to
> > believe Telford?
>
> The fact that Everett had an affair while on Earth, and is now stuck a
> billion
> light years away with that same woman he had an affair with!
What proof that it's the same woman?
>
> I might ask you "What reason would Emily have to believe Everett when he
> tells her
> that his affair with that woman is over?".
She's been married to him for a long
time, he admitted to the affair and he
seems to be making an attempt to
rekindle the marriage. For all his
faults she knows far more about him than
Telford
That is the problem Everett is
> facing
> now. To shake Emily's conviction that her hubby is cheating on her again, I
> would
> like to ask her what concrete evidence, if any, she has.
But it is you that is positing that she
has concrete evidence.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B434B10...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > What proof do you have that Telford is a
> > "good friend"?
>
> I saw them drinking wine and laughing together in the episode "Life". That
> seems to be all the proof Everett Young needs!
You can see the same thing in any bar
> > Once again, what reason has Emily to
> > believe Telford?
>
> I: Everett ought to ask Emily that very question the next time he visits her.
>
> II: Emily would probably answer that "since Telford has been visiting the
> Destiny,
> he would know whether or not you are having an affair there. He has told me
> that
> you are having an affair with that same women you were having an affair with
> on
> Earth! I know that you have a predilection for having affairs, so I believe
> him!".
Once again, what reason has Emily to
believe Telford?
>
> III: Then Everett should ask "What concrete evidence did Telford present to
> you? I
> want specifics, so that I can answer your concerns. I want a fair chance to
> convince you that I am not having an affair!".
>
> IV: As of the episode "Life", Emily seems to find Telford more believable
> than she
> finds Everett!
So all Everett has to do is imply/state
that TJ and Telford were having an
affair, she dumped him and now he is
intent on ruining her life.
Just as believable
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B434CBE...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > > Once again, what reason has Emily to
> > > believe Telford?
> >
> > The fact that Everett had an affair while on Earth, and is now stuck a
> > billion
> > light years away with that same woman he had an affair with!
>
> What proof that it's the same woman?
If Everett has cheated on his wife with MORE than one woman, things are even worse
in their marriage than I thought!
> >
> > I might ask you "What reason would Emily have to believe Everett when he
> > tells her
> > that his affair with that woman is over?".
>
> She's been married to him for a long
> time, he admitted to the affair and he
> seems to be making an attempt to
> rekindle the marriage. For all his
> faults she knows far more about him than
> Telford
I got the impression in "Life" that Emily thinks (rightly or wrongly) that her
husband is still sleeping (on the Destiny) with the woman he had an affair with on
Earth. Emily calls that woman "HER".
> That is the problem Everett is
> > facing
> > now. To shake Emily's conviction that her hubby is cheating on her again, I
> > would
> > like to ask her what concrete evidence, if any, she has.
>
> But it is you that is positing that she
> has concrete evidence.
I suspect that she may be believing that Everett is having an affair
unquestioningly without concrete evidence. To test my suspicion, I would like
someone to ask Emily if she has concrete evidence (which might be in the form of
Telford telling her that he had seen and heard indications of an Everett affair
during his visits to the Destiny). If she doesn't have concrete evidence, I want
her to realize that fact, and give her husband another chance. If Telford has not
given Emily concrete affair evidence, she should ask him for such evidence. If he
can't provide any, then Emily should realize that she has no evidence for an
Everett affair, and give the marriage another chance.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
Is it kosher for a married woman to drink in a bar with a man who isn't her
husband?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B43E4D6...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Only if she isn't orthodox
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B43E49C...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > What proof that it's the same woman?
>
> If Everett has cheated on his wife with MORE than one woman, things are even
> worse
> in their marriage than I thought!
That's not the relevant point. See
previous question
>
> > >
> > > I might ask you "What reason would Emily have to believe Everett when he
> > > tells her
> > > that his affair with that woman is over?".
> >
> > She's been married to him for a long
> > time, he admitted to the affair and he
> > seems to be making an attempt to
> > rekindle the marriage. For all his
> > faults she knows far more about him than
> > Telford
>
> I got the impression in "Life" that Emily thinks (rightly or wrongly) that
> her
> husband is still sleeping (on the Destiny) with the woman he had an affair
> with on
> Earth. Emily calls that woman "HER".
Many a marriage has been destroyed on
such thoughts.
> I suspect that she may be believing that Everett is having an affair
> unquestioningly without concrete evidence. To test my suspicion, I would
> like
> someone to ask Emily if she has concrete evidence (which might be in the form
> of
> Telford telling her that he had seen and heard indications of an Everett
> affair
> during his visits to the Destiny). If she doesn't have concrete evidence, I
> want
> her to realize that fact, and give her husband another chance. If Telford
> has not
> given Emily concrete affair evidence, she should ask him for such evidence.
> If he
> can't provide any, then Emily should realize that she has no evidence for an
> Everett affair, and give the marriage another chance.
Given that you've been quietly making a
case that Emily is mentally unstable,
Everett should be stoning to the Base
Lawyer and discussing his legal options.
The law might prevent Emily from
divorcing Everett while he is in a war
zone, but it doesn't prevent the opposite
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B43E49C...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > > What proof that it's the same woman?
> >
> > If Everett has cheated on his wife with MORE than one woman, things are even
> > worse
> > in their marriage than I thought!
>
> That's not the relevant point. See
> previous question
You question implied the possibility that Everett may have slept with one mistress
on Earth or at the Icarus Base, then be sleeping with a DIFFERENT woman on Destiny!
> > > >
> > > > I might ask you "What reason would Emily have to believe Everett when he
> > > > tells her
> > > > that his affair with that woman is over?".
> > >
> > > She's been married to him for a long
> > > time, he admitted to the affair and he
> > > seems to be making an attempt to
> > > rekindle the marriage. For all his
> > > faults she knows far more about him than
> > > Telford
> >
> > I got the impression in "Life" that Emily thinks (rightly or wrongly) that
> > her
> > husband is still sleeping (on the Destiny) with the woman he had an affair
> > with on
> > Earth. Emily calls that woman "HER".
>
> Many a marriage has been destroyed on
> such thoughts.
I would like to get Emily to question her "Everett is still sleeping with HER on
the Destiny" by asking her if she has any concrete evidence to back up those
thoughts.
>
>
> > I suspect that she may be believing that Everett is having an affair
> > unquestioningly without concrete evidence. To test my suspicion, I would
> > like
> > someone to ask Emily if she has concrete evidence (which might be in the form
> > of
> > Telford telling her that he had seen and heard indications of an Everett
> > affair
> > during his visits to the Destiny). If she doesn't have concrete evidence, I
> > want
> > her to realize that fact, and give her husband another chance. If Telford
> > has not
> > given Emily concrete affair evidence, she should ask him for such evidence.
> > If he
> > can't provide any, then Emily should realize that she has no evidence for an
> > Everett affair, and give the marriage another chance.
>
> Given that you've been quietly making a
> case that Emily is mentally unstable,
> Everett should be stoning to the Base
> Lawyer and discussing his legal options.
> The law might prevent Emily from
> divorcing Everett while he is in a war
> zone, but it doesn't prevent the opposite
I don't recall saying that Emily is mentally unstable. I believe that its
perfectly reasonable for her to suspect that her husband is sleeping on Destiny
with the same woman he slept with on Earth, especially if Telford has been telling
her so. I just want her to consider whether or not she has any concrete evidence.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
So religions other than Orthodox Judaism deem it acceptable for married women to
drink in bars with men who are not their husbands?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4528E2...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
And at office parties, birthday parties
and the occasional bar mitzvah
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B45287F...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > What proof that it's the same woman?
> > >
> > > If Everett has cheated on his wife with MORE than one woman, things are
> > > even
> > > worse
> > > in their marriage than I thought!
> >
> > That's not the relevant point. See
> > previous question
>
> You question implied the possibility that Everett may have slept with one
> mistress
> on Earth or at the Icarus Base, then be sleeping with a DIFFERENT woman on
> Destiny!
Which in no way makes it the relevant
point
> > > I got the impression in "Life" that Emily thinks (rightly or wrongly)
> > > that
> > > her
> > > husband is still sleeping (on the Destiny) with the woman he had an
> > > affair
> > > with on
> > > Earth. Emily calls that woman "HER".
> >
> > Many a marriage has been destroyed on
> > such thoughts.
>
> I would like to get Emily to question her "Everett is still sleeping with HER on
> the Destiny" by asking her if she has any concrete evidence to back up those
> thoughts.
And once again we have the relevant
issue of why she would believe any answer
> >
> > Given that you've been quietly making a
> > case that Emily is mentally unstable,
> > Everett should be stoning to the Base
> > Lawyer and discussing his legal options.
> > The law might prevent Emily from
> > divorcing Everett while he is in a war
> > zone, but it doesn't prevent the opposite
>
> I don't recall saying that Emily is mentally unstable. I believe that its
> perfectly reasonable for her to suspect that her husband is sleeping on
> Destiny
> with the same woman he slept with on Earth, especially if Telford has been
> telling
> her so. I just want her to consider whether or not she has any concrete
> evidence.
The fact that you posit so many things
about Emily and that in every situation
you would expect her to believe
everybody BUT Everett can only mean that
you believe she is mentally unstable
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Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4528E2...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <4B43E4D6...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> > > Tim Bruening
> > > <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > So all Everett has to do is imply/state
> > > > > that TJ and Telford were having an
> > > > > affair, she dumped him and now he is
> > > > > intent on ruining her life.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just as believable
> > > >
> > > > Is it kosher for a married woman to drink in a bar with a man who isn't
> > > > her
> > > > husband?
> > >
> > > Only if she isn't orthodox
> >
> > So religions other than Orthodox Judaism deem it acceptable for married women
> > to
> > drink in bars with men who are not their husbands?
>
> And at office parties, birthday parties
> and the occasional bar mitzvah
How about a married woman wining and dining a man who is not her husband at her own
home?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
That's another question that someone should ask Emily: Why should she believe Telford
if he tells her that her husband is cheating on her?
In other Emily threads, posters have asked how it can be proven to Emily's
satisfaction that her husband is not cheating on her. Something about having to prove
a negative.
> > >
> > > Given that you've been quietly making a
> > > case that Emily is mentally unstable,
> > > Everett should be stoning to the Base
> > > Lawyer and discussing his legal options.
> > > The law might prevent Emily from
> > > divorcing Everett while he is in a war
> > > zone, but it doesn't prevent the opposite
> >
> > I don't recall saying that Emily is mentally unstable. I believe that its
> > perfectly reasonable for her to suspect that her husband is sleeping on
> > Destiny
> > with the same woman he slept with on Earth, especially if Telford has been
> > telling
> > her so. I just want her to consider whether or not she has any concrete
> > evidence.
>
> The fact that you posit so many things
> about Emily and that in every situation
> you would expect her to believe
> everybody BUT Everett can only mean that
> you believe she is mentally unstable
Given that her husband has cheated on her before, I don't consider it a sign of mental
instability for her to believe that he might do so again, since both he and the woman
he was sleeping with are on the Destiny.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B467CFB...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
No, Emily is just a character on a TV
show. I'm asking YOU, why she would
believe any answer, either as such a
character or as a real person in a
similar situation.
It seems incredibly difficult for you to
just give the obvious answer: She
wouldn't.
That is her/your assumption. It isn't a
proven fact
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B467AA5...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Apparently you've never had a woman
friend
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B467CFB...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Given that her husband has cheated on her before, I don't consider it a sign
> > of mental instability for her to believe that he might do so again, since both he and
> > the woman he was sleeping with are on the Destiny.
>
> That is her/your assumption. It isn't a
> proven fact
I agree that Everett's alleged continued infidelity isn't a proven fact (or even likely),
but I consider it reasonable and sane that Emily would believe that her husband is
continuing to cheat on her on the Destiny, given that the woman he slept with before is on
the Destiny with him. I also consider it reasonable that she might believe one David
Telford (who has visited the Destiny mentally and in Everett Young's body) if he told her
that Everett was being unfaithful to her. I'm sure that he can spin a believable tale if
he wanted to. However, I hope that someone asking her if she has any concrete evidence re
Everett's infidelity on the Destiny would cause her to doubt a belief that Everett is
boinking a Destiny woman silly.
As of the episode "Life", she does seem to consider likely that her husband is still having
an affair. She said to Everett something like "I know you are sleeping with HER".
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
It just seems fishy to me that Emily is entertaining a man in her home who isn't
her husband!
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
What's with all the Latin?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B47CD4B...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <4B467CFB...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> > Tim Bruening
> > <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
>
> > > Given that her husband has cheated on her before, I don't consider it a
> > > sign
> > > of mental instability for her to believe that he might do so again, since
> > > both he and
> > > the woman he was sleeping with are on the Destiny.
> >
> > That is her/your assumption. It isn't a
> > proven fact
>
> I agree that Everett's alleged continued infidelity isn't a proven fact (or
> even likely),
> but I consider it reasonable and sane that Emily would believe that her
> husband is
> continuing to cheat on her on the Destiny, given that the woman he slept with
> before is on
> the Destiny with him.
Once again and I find it strangely
amusing that you have to be continually
reminded of this simple fact: There is
no proof that he has slept with anyone
on the Destiny, ever.
I also consider it reasonable that she
might believe
> one David
> Telford (who has visited the Destiny mentally and in Everett Young's body) if
> he told her
> that Everett was being unfaithful to her.
And once again I am forced to raise the
following questions: What possible
reason does she have to believe that
Telford has ever been on the Destiny and
why would she believe him about her
marriage status.
I'm sure that he can spin a
> believable tale if
> he wanted to. However, I hope that someone asking her if she has any
> concrete evidence re
> Everett's infidelity on the Destiny would cause her to doubt a belief that
> Everett is
> boinking a Destiny woman silly.
The mere fact that she doesn't know
Telford in any way makes it so entirely
impossible for me to believe she could
ever believe anything he could tell her
>
> As of the episode "Life", she does seem to consider likely that her husband
> is still having
> an affair. She said to Everett something like "I know you are sleeping with
> HER".
And many a marriage has been ruined by
exactly those words
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
It seems fishy to me that Emily would be drinking WINE with a man who isn't her
husband! In my mind, a man and a woman drinking wine together are linked to
romance. I have seen many commercials in which a romantic couple is drinking wine
together, often while being scantily clad and sometimes in bed!
Do you have a woman friend? If so, how would you feel if she was whining and
dining with other men in her home?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
I'm not saying that there is. I am saying that there's a good chance that Emily
BELIEVES that her hubby is sleeping with another woman on the Destiny (She SAID so
on the episode "Life"). Her belief would be based on the fact that he has cheated
on her in the past, and that the woman he cheated on her with is on the Destiny
with him! I believe that someone should ask her whether or not SHE has any
concrete evidence. If she can't answer yes, she would hopefully be forced to
conclude that she might be wrong.
I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford has told her
about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick holes in Telford's story.
> I also consider it reasonable that she
> might believe
> > one David
> > Telford (who has visited the Destiny mentally and in Everett Young's body) if
> > he told her
> > that Everett was being unfaithful to her.
>
> And once again I am forced to raise the
> following questions: What possible
> reason does she have to believe that
> Telford has ever been on the Destiny and
> why would she believe him about her
> marriage status.
In the episode "Earth", she seemed to accept the idea that Everett (whom she knows
is on the Destiny with "HER") was visiting Earth IN Telford's body, having used
commstones to swap minds with him. She would therefore believe Telford when he
told her that he had visited the Destiny IN Everett's body.
Everett would have told Emily that he was visiting her by borrowing Telford's body,
and that Telford was visiting the Destiny by borrowing his body. You seem to
believe that Emily should believe what Everett says, so she should believe that
Telford has indeed visited the Destiny.
> I'm sure that he can spin a
> > believable tale if
> > he wanted to. However, I hope that someone asking her if she has any
> > concrete evidence re
> > Everett's infidelity on the Destiny would cause her to doubt a belief that
> > Everett is
> > boinking a Destiny woman silly.
>
> The mere fact that she doesn't know
> Telford in any way makes it so entirely
> impossible for me to believe she could
> ever believe anything he could tell her
By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She was drinking
wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
> > As of the episode "Life", she does seem to consider likely that her husband
> > is still having
> > an affair. She said to Everett something like "I know you are sleeping with
> > HER".
>
> And many a marriage has been ruined by
> exactly those words
So you admit that Emily has expressed the belief that her husband is still cheating
on her!
Tim Bruening
Tim Bruening wrote:
> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > Once again and I find it strangely
> > amusing that you have to be continually
> > reminded of this simple fact: There is
> > no proof that he has slept with anyone
> > on the Destiny, ever.
>
> I'm not saying that there is. I am saying that there's a good chance that Emily
> BELIEVES that her hubby is sleeping with another woman on the Destiny (She SAID so
> on the episode "Life"). Her belief would be based on the fact that he has cheated
> on her in the past, and that the woman he cheated on her with is on the Destiny
> with him! I believe that someone should ask her whether or not SHE has any
> concrete evidence. If she can't answer yes, she would hopefully be forced to
> conclude that she might be wrong.
I do agree with you that Emily should not believe that her husband is currently
cheating on her. That's why I want someone to ask her if she has any concrete evidence
of his infidelity.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
Tiger Woods has been cheating on his wife (He has said so), and has allegedly
brought at least one of his many alleged mistresses right into his home while his
wife was away! If he didn't have sex with her in his home, would it be
acceptable for him to entertain said mistress in his home, and drink wine with
her?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4528E2...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <4B43E4D6...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> > > Tim Bruening
> > > <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > So all Everett has to do is imply/state
> > > > > that TJ and Telford were having an
> > > > > affair, she dumped him and now he is
> > > > > intent on ruining her life.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just as believable
> > > >
> > > > Is it kosher for a married woman to drink in a bar with a man who isn't
> > > > her
> > > > husband?
> > >
> > > Only if she isn't orthodox
> >
> > So religions other than Orthodox Judaism deem it acceptable for married women
> > to
> > drink in bars with men who are not their husbands?
>
> And at office parties, birthday parties
> and the occasional bar mitzvah
Try a married woman eating and drinking ALONE in her home with a man other than her
husband!
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> Given that you've been quietly making a
> case that Emily is mentally unstable,
> Everett should be stoning to the Base
> Lawyer and discussing his legal options.
> The law might prevent Emily from
> divorcing Everett while he is in a war
> zone, but it doesn't prevent the opposite
Perhaps this is how the creators will give Everett license to boink TJ silly! (My
wife is barking mad, so I will split up with her and bed TJ instead!).
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4842F6...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
The only woman Everett will boink while
on Destiny will be the one they find on
one of the planets they visit or one of
the more liberal crewmembers of the
alien ship that eventually makes contact
with Destiny.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B484223...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
You've never had a female friend, have
you?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4841B7...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Of course
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B483F9D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> I'm not saying that there is. I am saying that there's a good chance that
> Emily
> BELIEVES that her hubby is sleeping with another woman on the Destiny (She
> SAID so
> on the episode "Life"). Her belief would be based on the fact that he has
> cheated
> on her in the past, and that the woman he cheated on her with is on the
> Destiny
> with him! I believe that someone should ask her whether or not SHE has any
> concrete evidence. If she can't answer yes, she would hopefully be forced to
> conclude that she might be wrong.
Who would ask her?
>
> I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford has told
> her
> about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick holes in Telford's
> story.
And once again: Why would she believe
him?
>
> > I also consider it reasonable that she
> > might believe
> > > one David
> > > Telford (who has visited the Destiny mentally and in Everett Young's
> > > body) if
> > > he told her
> > > that Everett was being unfaithful to her.
> >
> > And once again I am forced to raise the
> > following questions: What possible
> > reason does she have to believe that
> > Telford has ever been on the Destiny and
> > why would she believe him about her
> > marriage status.
>
> In the episode "Earth", she seemed to accept the idea that Everett (whom she
> knows
> is on the Destiny with "HER")
No, she doesn't know that, she thinks
that
> was visiting Earth IN Telford's body, having used
> commstones to swap minds with him. She would therefore believe Telford when
> he told her that he had visited the Destiny IN Everett's body.
She has no proof that Destiny exists and
that any of this is real. The mind
swapping doesn't require Destiny to
work...and then there is always other
miraculous technologies to explain what
appears to be a swap
>
> Everett would have told Emily that he was visiting her by borrowing Telford's
> body, and that Telford was visiting the Destiny by borrowing his body. You seem to
> believe that Emily should believe what Everett says, so she should believe
> that Telford has indeed visited the Destiny.
I don't know that Emily believes
anything or anyone. She may want to
believe Everett or she may want to
believe Telford, but if she believed
Telford, she would leave him and maybe
move away never to be heard from again.
>
> > I'm sure that he can spin a
> > > believable tale if
> > > he wanted to. However, I hope that someone asking her if she has any
> > > concrete evidence re
> > > Everett's infidelity on the Destiny would cause her to doubt a belief
> > > that
> > > Everett is
> > > boinking a Destiny woman silly.
> >
> > The mere fact that she doesn't know
> > Telford in any way makes it so entirely
> > impossible for me to believe she could
> > ever believe anything he could tell her
>
> By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She was
> drinking wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
Wine will do that to you. But if she can
know Telford that well by drinking wine
with him, you've just proven how
mentally unstable she is
>
> > > As of the episode "Life", she does seem to consider likely that her
> > > husband
> > > is still having
> > > an affair. She said to Everett something like "I know you are sleeping
> > > with
> > > HER".
> >
> > And many a marriage has been ruined by
> > exactly those words
>
> So you admit that Emily has expressed the belief that her husband is still
> cheating on her!
When has that point ever been in doubt?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B483AF0...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> It seems fishy to me that Emily would be drinking WINE with a man who isn't
> her
> husband! In my mind, a man and a woman drinking wine together are linked to
> romance.
You should try living in a more
appropriate decade.
> I have seen many commercials in which a romantic couple is drinking
> wine together, often while being scantily clad and sometimes in bed!
And I have seen many a commercial of
strangers drinking together, often while
scantily clad, yet no romance is
implied...unless all of the beer
commercials during the super bowl are
implying their consumers are all gay
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
I don't think that will make Emily feel any better!
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
I have a girlfriend. She is not married.
Have you ever drunk wine at the home of a married woman who isn't your wife, and
with said woman, without her husband present?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B483F9D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > I'm not saying that there is. I am saying that there's a good chance that
> > Emily
> > BELIEVES that her hubby is sleeping with another woman on the Destiny (She
> > SAID so
> > on the episode "Life"). Her belief would be based on the fact that he has
> > cheated
> > on her in the past, and that the woman he cheated on her with is on the
> > Destiny
> > with him! I believe that someone should ask her whether or not SHE has any
> > concrete evidence. If she can't answer yes, she would hopefully be forced to
> > conclude that she might be wrong.
>
> Who would ask her?
Most likley her husband Everett.
> > I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford has told
> > her
> > about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick holes in Telford's
> > story.
>
> And once again: Why would she believe
> him?
Because her husband cheated on her, so she would find it believable that he might cheat
on her again!
> > The mere fact that she doesn't know
> > > Telford in any way makes it so entirely
> > > impossible for me to believe she could
> > > ever believe anything he could tell her
> >
> > By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She was
> > drinking wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
>
> Wine will do that to you. But if she can
> know Telford that well by drinking wine
> with him, you've just proven how
> mentally unstable she is
Telford could have made several visits to Emily between Earth and Life, giving her time
to get to know him.
I was figuring that the fact that she was eating and drinking wine and laughing with
Telford indicated that she had come to know him.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B483F9D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She was
> > drinking wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
>
> Wine will do that to you. But if she can
> know Telford that well by drinking wine
> with him, you've just proven how
> mentally unstable she is
My meaning was that she had gotten to know Telford well enough to drink with him and
laugh with him, and know that he isn't like Everett.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B483F9D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > was visiting Earth IN Telford's body, having used
> > commstones to swap minds with him. She would therefore believe Telford when
> > he told her that he had visited the Destiny IN Everett's body.
>
> She has no proof that Destiny exists and
> that any of this is real. The mind
> swapping doesn't require Destiny to
> work...and then there is always other
> miraculous technologies to explain what
> appears to be a swap
Does Emily know about the mimic devices (which holographically disguise one person as
another)? If so, I suppose that a physically present Everett could have visited Emily
while mimicking Telford, but why then would he ID himself as Everett? There's also the
body swapping device from "Holiday", but I see no reason for Young and Telford to be
playing with that device. I also remember the personalities of SG-1 being transferred
into robot bodies, but they still looked like members of SG-1. There are also replicator
duplicates of Samantha (8th season, IIRC) and of Atlantis personnel. (Telford the
Replicator?). What other body swapping tech do you remember?
> > > > As of the episode "Life", she does seem to consider likely that her
> > > > husband
> > > > is still having
> > > > an affair. She said to Everett something like "I know you are sleeping
> > > > with
> > > > HER".
> > >
> > > And many a marriage has been ruined by
> > > exactly those words
> >
> > So you admit that Emily has expressed the belief that her husband is still
> > cheating on her!
>
> When has that point ever been in doubt?
No time. I was merely trying to suggest a way to possibly shake that belief.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B483AF0...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
>
> > It seems fishy to me that Emily would be drinking WINE with a man who isn't
> > her
> > husband! In my mind, a man and a woman drinking wine together are linked to
> > romance.
>
> You should try living in a more
> appropriate decade.
Okay. Where can I find a time machine?:)
Jette Goldie
I'm a married woman. I have often had male friends - platonic male
friends - come over to my house and drink wine while my husband was
out. MY husband never doubted that this was platonic .... but then
again MY husband trusts me because HE has done nothing untrustworthy.
Suspicion about one's spouse says as much about your own behaviour as
his or hers.
--
Jette Goldie
jette....@gmail.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wolfette/
http://www.jette.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
http://wolfette.livejournal.com/
("reply to" is spamblocked - use the email addy in sig)
Tim Bruening
Jette Goldie wrote:
So Emily's current distrust of her husband might indicate in part that she herself is
untrustworthy?
What should Emily and Everett do to recharge their marriage?
Tim Bruening
Jette Goldie wrote:
Can you answer "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-...@invalid.invalid>'s questions
about why Emily should believe anything Telford might say about her husband's Destiny
love life, or even believe that her husband is even on a ship called the Destiny 1
billion lights away and can only visit her by borrowing someone else's body via
commstone?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B48F178...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > It seems fishy to me that Emily would be drinking WINE with a man who
> > > isn't
> > > her
> > > husband! In my mind, a man and a woman drinking wine together are linked
> > > to
> > > romance.
> >
> > You should try living in a more
> > appropriate decade.
>
> Okay. Where can I find a time machine?:)
In one of the previous episodes of SGU
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B48EDB2...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
So you are saying that she is prone to
making rash decisions?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B48EA7D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Emily: I have this ______ (fill in the
blank) evidence that you were cheating.
Everett: I was stuck in an ice crevice
during that time.
I was in a meeting with General Oneill
at that time.
That's not mine
>
> > > I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford has
> > > told her about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick holes in
> > > Telford's story.
> >
> > And once again: Why would she believe him?
>
> Because her husband cheated on her, so she would find it believable that he
> might cheat on her again!
So she believes that her husband (who
she has known longer) is lying and she
believes Telford (who she barely knows
at all) is telling the truth?
>
> > > The mere fact that she doesn't know
>
> > > > Telford in any way makes it so entirely
> > > > impossible for me to believe she could
> > > > ever believe anything he could tell her
> > >
> > > By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She was
> > > drinking wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
> >
> > Wine will do that to you. But if she can
> > know Telford that well by drinking wine
> > with him, you've just proven how
> > mentally unstable she is
>
> Telford could have made several visits to Emily between Earth and Life,
> giving her time to get to know him.
Thus establishing that she is far less
trustworthy than Everett
>
> I was figuring that the fact that she was eating and drinking wine and
> laughing with Telford indicated that she had come to know him.
Never been to a bar or a party?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B48E86A...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
And has she ever drunk wine at the home
of a married man?
>
> Have you ever drunk wine at the home of a married woman who isn't your wife,
> and with said woman, without her husband present?
I don't drink, but other than that, yes
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B48E813...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
No one will tell her and if they do,
she'll just have a glass of wine with
Telford and forget about it.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
I thought that was just solar flares shifting the wormhole backwards in time, like
in 1969.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
I figured that Telford had made several visits, giving Emily time to accept him as
a drinking partner.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B48EA7D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <4B483F9D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> > > Tim Bruening
> > > <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford has
> > > > told her about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick holes in
> > > > Telford's story.
> > >
> > > And once again: Why would she believe him?
> >
> > Because her husband cheated on her, so she would find it believable that he
> > might cheat on her again!
>
> So she believes that her husband (who
> she has known longer) is lying and she
> believes Telford (who she barely knows
> at all) is telling the truth?
I presume that her husband DID lie to her during the original affair, so she would
have reason to distrust him regarding his Destiny love life.
> > > > The mere fact that she doesn't know
> >
> > > > > Telford in any way makes it so entirely
> > > > > impossible for me to believe she could
> > > > > ever believe anything he could tell her
> > > >
> > > > By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She was
> > > > drinking wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
> > >
> > > Wine will do that to you. But if she can
> > > know Telford that well by drinking wine
> > > with him, you've just proven how
> > > mentally unstable she is
> >
> > Telford could have made several visits to Emily between Earth and Life,
> > giving her time to get to know him.
>
> Thus establishing that she is far less
> trustworthy than Everett
I am not accusing either Emily or Everett adultery. I'm merely pointing out that
Telford could have visited Emily often enough in the three weeks between "Earth" and
"Life" (going by air date) to become good platonic friends with her. Everett does
appear to fear that Emily might have sex with Telford (which would appear to license
Emily to suspect Everett of having sex with Woman X on the Destiny).
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B48E86A...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > You've never had a female friend, have
> > > you?
> >
> > I have a girlfriend. She is not married.
>
> And has she ever drunk wine at the home
> of a married man?
Actually, yes, but not alone. I have seen her drink wine at the home of her sister
and brother-in-law, and drink beer at the home of my Mom and step dad.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
Perhaps Telford will visit the Destiny, learn of Everett's sex exploits, and
inform Emily!
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4A0F53...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
How will Telford visit the Destiny?
How will Telford learn of Everetts
sexploits?
What does Telford have to gain by
informing Emily of his findings?
Why would Emily believe Telford?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4A0F1A...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > You've never had a female friend, have
> > > > you?
> > >
> > > I have a girlfriend. She is not married.
> >
> > And has she ever drunk wine at the home
> > of a married man?
>
> Actually, yes, but not alone. I have seen her drink wine at the home of her
> sister
> and brother-in-law, and drink beer at the home of my Mom and step dad.
But have you asked her if she ever drank
wine in the home of a married man that
wasn't related to her?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4A0E7A...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > > I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford
> > > > > has
> > > > > told her about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick
> > > > > holes in
> > > > > Telford's story.
> > > >
> > > > And once again: Why would she believe him?
> > >
> > > Because her husband cheated on her, so she would find it believable that
> > > he
> > > might cheat on her again!
> >
> > So she believes that her husband (who
> > she has known longer) is lying and she
> > believes Telford (who she barely knows
> > at all) is telling the truth?
>
> I presume that her husband DID lie to her during the original affair, so she
> would have reason to distrust him regarding his Destiny love life.
And this makes Telford all the more
believable to Emily?
>
> > > > > The mere fact that she doesn't know
> > >
> > > > > > Telford in any way makes it so entirely
> > > > > > impossible for me to believe she could
> > > > > > ever believe anything he could tell her
> > > > >
> > > > > By the episode "Life", she seemed to know Telford quite well! She
> > > > > was
> > > > > drinking wine with him! She said that Telford was not like Everett!
> > > >
> > > > Wine will do that to you. But if she can
> > > > know Telford that well by drinking wine
> > > > with him, you've just proven how
> > > > mentally unstable she is
> > >
> > > Telford could have made several visits to Emily between Earth and Life,
> > > giving her time to get to know him.
> >
> > Thus establishing that she is far less
> > trustworthy than Everett
>
> I am not accusing either Emily or Everett adultery.
Of course you are. Almost every thread
by you is some kind of exploration of
that "affair"
I'm merely pointing out
> that Telford could have visited Emily often enough in the three weeks between
> "Earth" and "Life" (going by air date) to become good platonic friends with her. Everett
> does appear to fear that Emily might have sex with Telford (which would appear to
> license Emily to suspect Everett of having sex with Woman X on the Destiny).
I've never seen proof that Everett fears
Emily having sex with Telford.
If there is any reason for him to have
clocked Telford, it's because Telford is
a slimy officer that wants to undermine
his "mission" by any means.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4A0C7B...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
It could be that she is a friendly
person.
It could be that she is an alcoholic.
But given the circumstances,
establishing any kind of relationship
with telford is an inappropriate
decision...even more so for Telford
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4A0C38...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Thru the gate, ie a time machine
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
He has already visited the Destiny mentally via commstone. His mind has switched
bodies with Dr. Rush, Col Everett Young, and Scott (Lt, IIRC).
> How will Telford learn of Everetts
> sexploits?
Over the Destiny grapevine.
> What does Telford have to gain by
> informing Emily of his findings?
Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
> Why would Emily believe Telford?
As I have said before, because Everett has cheated on Emily before, so Emily would
have reason to believe that he might do so again, so might be likely to belive
Telford if he told her that Everett had been boinking alien women, or at least not
dismiss his stories out of hand.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
My stepdad is not related to my girlfriend, so the answer would be yes.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4A0E7A...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > > > > > I am hoping that Everett can get Emily to tell him whatever Telford
> > > > > > has
> > > > > > told her about his on-Destiny love life. Everett could then pick
> > > > > > holes in
> > > > > > Telford's story.
> > > > >
> > > > > And once again: Why would she believe him?
> > > >
> > > > Because her husband cheated on her, so she would find it believable that
> > > > he
> > > > might cheat on her again!
> > >
> > > So she believes that her husband (who
> > > she has known longer) is lying and she
> > > believes Telford (who she barely knows
> > > at all) is telling the truth?
> >
> > I presume that her husband DID lie to her during the original affair, so she
> > would have reason to distrust him regarding his Destiny love life.
>
> And this makes Telford all the more
> believable to Emily?
More believable than if Everett had not had the original affair and been 100% honest.
> > I am not accusing either Emily or Everett adultery.
>
> Of course you are. Almost every thread
> by you is some kind of exploration of
> that "affair"
I mean that I'm not accusing either one of having a CURRENT affair!
>
>
> I'm merely pointing out
> > that Telford could have visited Emily often enough in the three weeks between
> > "Earth" and "Life" (going by air date) to become good platonic friends with her. Everett
> > does appear to fear that Emily might have sex with Telford (which would appear to
> > license Emily to suspect Everett of having sex with Woman X on the Destiny).
>
> I've never seen proof that Everett fears
> Emily having sex with Telford.
In "Life", Everett seemed upset that Telford and Emily had been eating, drinking, and laughing
together. It sure looked to me like he thought that Telford-Emily sex might occur in the near
future if it hadn't already. When Everett confronted Emily and Telford over his presence,
Emily quickly assured him that they were just friends, which implied that a possible
Emily-Telford affair was at issue.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
That might not necessarily stop her, any more than such considerations stopped
Everett. My point about Telford making multiple visits to establish a solid
friendship still stands.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4A0E7A...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> I'm merely pointing out
> > that Telford could have visited Emily often enough in the three weeks between
> > "Earth" and "Life" (going by air date) to become good platonic friends with her. Everett
> > does appear to fear that Emily might have sex with Telford (which would appear to
> > license Emily to suspect Everett of having sex with Woman X on the Destiny).
>
> I've never seen proof that Everett fears
> Emily having sex with Telford.
I have another suggestion: Everett Young should go to David Telford and ask him for help
regarding his wife Emily. Everett could say something like "I will be able to concentrate
better on my mission of bringing the people on Destiny home if I know that Emily has good
friends back on Earth. I am therefore asking you to pledge officer to officer that you will be
Emily's friend, and ONLY her friend (no sex, no blow jobs, no kissing on the lips) until such
time as we physically get back to Earth. Please assure her that I will visit her as often as
possible (in a body other than that of Telford to avoid confusion), and please assure her that
I am NOT having any affairs on the Destiny! The only person I want to have an affair with is
Emily!". I am hoping that Telford's sense of duty (as exemplified by him sitting for hours by
the commstones) would cause him to make and keep such a pledge. Everett should also suggest
that David Telford recruit Mrs. Armstrong to visit Emily.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4BB32F...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
The only person Telford could possibly
befriend would be Rush as they are both
the same sort of dickhead...and neither
one of them would trust the other.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4BAEA4...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
And my ever so subtle, made many times
before, point is that Emily has no
reason to trust ANY man, especially one
in uniform
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4BAE01...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> honest. (***)
How do you know he wasn't honest?
>
> > > I am not accusing either Emily or Everett adultery.
> >
> > Of course you are. Almost every thread
> > by you is some kind of exploration of
> > that "affair"
>
> I mean that I'm not accusing either one of having a CURRENT affair!
Of course you are. Almost every thread
by you is some kind of exploration of
that "affair"
You just accused Everett of having an
affair 4 sentences ago. (see ***)
>
> >
> >
> > I'm merely pointing out
> > > that Telford could have visited Emily often enough in the three weeks
> > > between
> > > "Earth" and "Life" (going by air date) to become good platonic friends
> > > with her. Everett
> > > does appear to fear that Emily might have sex with Telford (which would
> > > appear to
> > > license Emily to suspect Everett of having sex with Woman X on the
> > > Destiny).
> >
> > I've never seen proof that Everett fears
> > Emily having sex with Telford.
>
> In "Life", Everett seemed upset that Telford and Emily had been eating,
> drinking, and laughing
> together. It sure looked to me like he thought that Telford-Emily sex might
> occur in the near
> future if it hadn't already. When Everett confronted Emily and Telford over
> his presence,
> Emily quickly assured him that they were just friends, which implied that a
> possible
> Emily-Telford affair was at issue.
Or maybe Everett knows full well what a
dickhead Telford is and wants to protect
Emily (and possibly his career)
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4BACDD...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Your stepdad IS related to you, notice
the dad/father part of the word. But
since you wish to be obtuse: Have you
asked your girlfriend if she has ever
had wine while in a married mans home
that has absolutely
genetic/social/environmental/political/ed
ucational/family relationship to you,
your mother, your stepfather, her
mother, her father or any other of such
relatives she may have had or has at the
moment or that you may have had or have?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4BAC98...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
I don't consider that a proper "visit".
>
> > How will Telford learn of Everetts sexploits?
>
> Over the Destiny grapevine.
Why would anyone gossip with a dickhead
like Telford, especially since he is an
"always on duty" sort of officer?
>
> > What does Telford have to gain by
> > informing Emily of his findings?
>
> Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
That's a career killer and Telford is a
career officer.
>
> > Why would Emily believe Telford?
>
> As I have said before, because Everett has cheated on Emily before, so Emily
> would
> have reason to believe that he might do so again, so might be likely to
> belive
> Telford if he told her that Everett had been boinking alien women, or at
> least not
> dismiss his stories out of hand.
But Telford is Everetts fellow officer
and she would be fully aware that his
motives are likely not in her best
interests.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
Telford seemed to be doing a good job of befriending Emily in "Life"!
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
You think he actually told Emily about the affair the moment he got home after
boinking Woman X the first time????
> > > > I am not accusing either Emily or Everett adultery.
> > >
> > > Of course you are. Almost every thread
> > > by you is some kind of exploration of
> > > that "affair"
> >
> > I mean that I'm not accusing either one of having a CURRENT affair!
>
> Of course you are. Almost every thread
> by you is some kind of exploration of
> that "affair"
>
> You just accused Everett of having an
> affair 4 sentences ago. (see ***)
I meant to refer to his past affair, referenced in the SGU series.
>
> > > I've never seen proof that Everett fears
> > > Emily having sex with Telford.
> >
> > In "Life", Everett seemed upset that Telford and Emily had been eating,
> > drinking, and laughing
> > together. It sure looked to me like he thought that Telford-Emily sex might
> > occur in the near
> > future if it hadn't already. When Everett confronted Emily and Telford over
> > his presence,
> > Emily quickly assured him that they were just friends, which implied that a
> > possible
> > Emily-Telford affair was at issue.
>
> Or maybe Everett knows full well what a
> dickhead Telford is and wants to protect
> Emily (and possibly his career)
I fear the way he reacted will convince Emily that he thinks that Emily and Telford
are or will have an affair.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
But such a "visit" did enable Telford to see, hear, smell, and taste what is
happening on board the Destiny. On a future such "visit", its possible that he
might learn that Everett has a girlfriend on the Destiny. He might learn such
information from those people (there are civilians on board) who don't like how
Everett Young is operating.
> > > How will Telford learn of Everetts sexploits?
> >
> > Over the Destiny grapevine.
>
> Why would anyone gossip with a dickhead
> like Telford, especially since he is an
> "always on duty" sort of officer?
Because said "anyone" doesn't like Everett, or wants to terminate his marriage so
that he can focus on the mission? In another thread, I suggested that Dr. Rush
might have spun tales of Young's sexual exploits for Telford's benefit in an
effort to break apart his marriage so that he will have no more ties to Earth and
can focus on exploring the universe.
> > > What does Telford have to gain by
> > > informing Emily of his findings?
> >
> > Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
>
> That's a career killer and Telford is a
> career officer.
I hope someone reminds Everett of the above fact!
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
Then why was she drinking with Telford in "Life"?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4C2588...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > How will Telford visit the Destiny?
> > >
> > > He has already visited the Destiny mentally via commstone. His mind has
> > > switched bodies with Dr. Rush, Col Everett Young, and Scott (Lt, IIRC).
> >
> > I don't consider that a proper "visit".
>
> But such a "visit" did enable Telford to see, hear, smell, and taste what is
> happening on board the Destiny. On a future such "visit", its possible that
> he
> might learn that Everett has a girlfriend on the Destiny. He might learn
> such
> information from those people (there are civilians on board) who don't like
> how
> Everett Young is operating.
There is no way Everett is going to
allow Telford to stone into his body
again, and in anyone elses body, Telford
would have no authority. In fact, if
Everett refuses to stone with Telford,
there is nothing anybody can do about it.
>
> > > > How will Telford learn of Everetts sexploits?
> > >
> > > Over the Destiny grapevine.
> >
> > Why would anyone gossip with a dickhead
> > like Telford, especially since he is an
> > "always on duty" sort of officer?
>
> Because said "anyone" doesn't like Everett, or wants to terminate his
> marriage so
> that he can focus on the mission? In another thread, I suggested that Dr.
> Rush
> might have spun tales of Young's sexual exploits for Telford's benefit in an
> effort to break apart his marriage so that he will have no more ties to Earth
> and
> can focus on exploring the universe.
Yes, of course, because the best thing
for such a mission with limited
resources and virtually no hope of help
is undermine the Commander. I for one
would definately like to have someone in
control being in need of
anti-depressants
>
> > > > What does Telford have to gain by
> > > > informing Emily of his findings?
> > >
> > > Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
> >
> > That's a career killer and Telford is a
> > career officer.
>
> I hope someone reminds Everett of the above fact!
Everett is in an unenviable position. If
the mission fails, it doesn't matter to
him, if the mission suceeds he is teflon
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4C2277...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > > > > I presume that her husband DID lie to her during the original affair,
> > > > > so
> > > > > she
> > > > > would have reason to distrust him regarding his Destiny love life.
> > > >
> > > > And this makes Telford all the more
> > > > believable to Emily?
> > >
> > > More believable than if Everett had not had the original affair and been
> > > 100%
> > > honest. (***)
> >
> > How do you know he wasn't honest?
>
> You think he actually told Emily about the affair the moment he got home
> after boinking Woman X the first time????
Wouldn't be the first time a man, in a
moment of weakness, had a one time boink
and feeling guilty felt that confessing
was the best, albeit painful, move.
>
> > > > > I am not accusing either Emily or Everett adultery.
> > > >
> > > > Of course you are. Almost every thread
> > > > by you is some kind of exploration of
> > > > that "affair"
> > >
> > > I mean that I'm not accusing either one of having a CURRENT affair!
> >
> > Of course you are. Almost every thread
> > by you is some kind of exploration of
> > that "affair"
> >
> > You just accused Everett of having an
> > affair 4 sentences ago. (see ***)
>
> I meant to refer to his past affair, referenced in the SGU series.
As was I
>
> >
> > > > I've never seen proof that Everett fears
> > > > Emily having sex with Telford.
> > >
> > > In "Life", Everett seemed upset that Telford and Emily had been eating,
> > > drinking, and laughing
> > > together. It sure looked to me like he thought that Telford-Emily sex
> > > might
> > > occur in the near
> > > future if it hadn't already. When Everett confronted Emily and Telford
> > > over
> > > his presence,
> > > Emily quickly assured him that they were just friends, which implied that
> > > a
> > > possible
> > > Emily-Telford affair was at issue.
> >
> > Or maybe Everett knows full well what a
> > dickhead Telford is and wants to protect
> > Emily (and possibly his career)
>
> I fear the way he reacted will convince Emily that he thinks that Emily and
> Telford are or will have an affair.
Which would be a good way to prove to
her that he isn't having an ongoing
affair now, wouldn't it?
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4C2696...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
1) Politeness
2) Realizing that offending Telford
could hurt Everett
3) She's an alcoholic. (SGU has already
established that one of the other
characters is an alcoholic and given the
prevalence of alcoholics in society, it
seems reasonable to have at least three
in the series)
4) Discovery that she and Telford have a
common ancestor
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4C20FD...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
And how does that help him?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4C2588...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Because said "anyone" doesn't like Everett, or wants to terminate his
> > marriage so
> > that he can focus on the mission? In another thread, I suggested that Dr.
> > Rush
> > might have spun tales of Young's sexual exploits for Telford's benefit in an
> > effort to break apart his marriage so that he will have no more ties to Earth
> > and
> > can focus on exploring the universe.
>
> Yes, of course, because the best thing
> for such a mission with limited
> resources and virtually no hope of help
> is undermine the Commander. I for one
> would definately like to have someone in
> control being in need of
> anti-depressants
>
In the episode "Justice", Rush did seek to undermine Young's authority by framing
him for murder. Rush didn't think that Young was committed to "the mission".
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4BAC98...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > How will Telford learn of Everetts sexploits?
> >
> > Over the Destiny grapevine.
>
> Why would anyone gossip with a dickhead
> like Telford, especially since he is an
> "always on duty" sort of officer?
Perhaps he would overhear someone discussing Everett's hot date with TJ or some
other woman. Perhaps Telford would be IN Everett's body and catch some women
looking at him passionately.
> > > What does Telford have to gain by
> > > informing Emily of his findings?
> >
> > Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
>
> That's a career killer and Telford is a
> career officer.
Love/lust can make people do strange things.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
It has occurred to me that Everett's angry attack on Telford for allegedly telling
Emily that he was having an affair on the Destiny might convince Emily that he is
in fact having an affair on the Destiny. (After all, Everett didn't actually deny
having an affair on the Destiny. He simply yelled at Telford and then tried to
attack him).
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> > You think he actually told Emily about the affair the moment he got home
> > after boinking Woman X the first time????
>
> Wouldn't be the first time a man, in a
> moment of weakness, had a one time boink
> and feeling guilty felt that confessing
> was the best, albeit painful, move.
I was under the impression that Everett's affair might have involved multiple
boinkings, perhaps enough to induce his lover to resign.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4D2576...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
But absolutely no proof
> perhaps enough to induce his lover to resign.
If multiple boinkings are going to cause
you to resign, seems like it would be
more appropriate to report the other
person for abuse.
But then again, we don't know that this
lover is in the military
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4D23B8...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
It really doesn't matter. Everett is on
board Destiny until the end of the
series. Of course we have seen proof
that Everett is fully capable of
defining both the tactical and strategic
goals in his life and it wouldn't be all
that hard to convince Emily that Telford
is full of shit, since no one can
actually prove who it was that beat
Telford.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4D22B5...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <4B4BAC98...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> > Tim Bruening
> > <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> >
> > > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> > >
> > > > How will Telford learn of Everetts sexploits?
> > >
> > > Over the Destiny grapevine.
> >
> > Why would anyone gossip with a dickhead
> > like Telford, especially since he is an
> > "always on duty" sort of officer?
>
> Perhaps he would overhear someone discussing Everett's hot date with TJ or
> some other woman.
As I've explained Telford is an always
on duty type of officer. He is never
going to mingle socially with the crew
> Perhaps Telford would be IN Everett's body and catch some women
> looking at him passionately.
Or men
>
> > > > What does Telford have to gain by
> > > > informing Emily of his findings?
> > >
> > > Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
> >
> > That's a career killer and Telford is a
> > career officer.
>
> Love/lust can make people do strange things.
The only thing that Telford loves, and
it really should be painfully obvious to
you, is being in SGCommand and/or flying
those hot fighter aircraft.
For him, women are to be used, either
politically or sexually.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4D21F1...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
And now Rush is alone on an alien
planet. Rush made the worst mistake that
could be made: He underestimated Young
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4D23B8...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > It has occurred to me that Everett's angry attack on Telford for allegedly
> > telling Emily that he was having an affair on the Destiny might convince Emily that
> > he is in fact having an affair on the Destiny. (After all, Everett didn't actually
> > deny having an affair on the Destiny. He simply yelled at Telford and then tried
> > to attack him).
>
> It really doesn't matter. Everett is on
> board Destiny until the end of the
> series. Of course we have seen proof
> that Everett is fully capable of
> defining both the tactical and strategic
> goals in his life and it wouldn't be all
> that hard to convince Emily that Telford
> is full of shit, since no one can
> actually prove who it was that beat
> Telford.
That assessment greatly relieves me and gives me hope that the marriage can be saved.
Now Everett just needs to find a way to get Emily to listen to him long enough to
complete his anti-Telford spiel! O'Neill or Samantha or Mrs. Armstrong or a base
psychologist might be needed for Operation Make Emily Listen.
BTW, how would Everett convince Emily that David Telford is full of shit? As you might
say, what reason would Emily have to believe Everett?
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> The only thing that Telford loves, and
> it really should be painfully obvious to
> you, is being in SGCommand and/or flying
> those hot fighter aircraft.
>
> For him, women are to be used, either
> politically or sexually.
Now we must think of ways in which Everett could convince Telford that helping
him save his marriage would help him advance his career. If that could be done,
then Telford could become an ally of Everett.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
Near an alien spaceship.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4D2576...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > I was under the impression that Everett's affair might have involved multiple
> > boinkings,
>
> But absolutely no proof
>
> > perhaps enough to induce his lover to resign.
>
> If multiple boinkings are going to cause
> you to resign, seems like it would be
> more appropriate to report the other
> person for abuse.
>
> But then again, we don't know that this
> lover is in the military
Much was made in the beginning of TJ trying to resign from the military. We still
don't know WHY she was resigning! Its been suggested that TJ was Everett's lover,
which might give her reason to resign (to terminate the affair). This has been
reinforced by Everett daydreaming about TJ. I also remember a flashback in which
TJ says that she never meant to hurt Everett.
Tim Bruening
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <4B4BAC98...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
> Tim Bruening
> <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > > What does Telford have to gain by
> > > informing Emily of his findings?
> >
> > Emily, of course, by wedging her away from her husband!
>
> That's a career killer and Telford is a
> career officer.
Perhaps the idea is to get Emily to break up with Everett, so as to
provoke Everett into some rash action that violates military
regulations. This would get Everett fired as captain of the Destiny,
thus reducing his ability to oppose Telford's ambitions (I understand
that he wants to command the Destiny).
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4DC402...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Fire Everett and he's still on board
with the full loyalty of all the
military still on board. Not going to
work.
Somehow put Telford in charge and no one
will obey him and/or there will be a
mysterious accident that kills him.
In any event, you can't order Young to
permanently stone to earth, if for no
other reason than that it removes the
stones for other uses.
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4DC187...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
All alone where he can't demonstrate his
superiority.
Also no food or water.
Doesn't seem like a game winner to me
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds
<4B4DC163...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>,
Tim Bruening
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
Yes, just like Rush became an ally of
Everett.
Telford is not to be trusted and Young
knows that