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Dazza

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If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a 4th
Stargate here on earth?

Maybe we should get the BBC to buy the rights and make a UK star Gate
Series, They would be able to recycle some of the old Dr Who props, visit
loads of far away new worlds that all look like the UK.

Eva

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Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a
4th
> Stargate here on earth?


Not everyone has seen "Watergate" so next time please use spoilers.

Eva

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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> If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a
4th
> Stargate here on earth?

Because to do that, they need to find a third first.

itiot.


DeathBunny

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"Dazza" <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a 4th
> Stargate here on earth?
>

Arthur Bragianos

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If the Brits wanted to have a Stargate they wouldn't have to find a new one
they would just steal one from somone who already had one. It's the same
policy they used to populate their Museum of History, with countless
treasures stolen from other countries.

Arthur

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HEY, let them keep their memories. It is all they have left.


Thomas Grinsted

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Completely unlike any US museums then...

Palindrome

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On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:27:47 -0000, "Dazza"
<dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

>If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a 4th
>Stargate here on earth?

I actually live not far from a place called Stargate, in NE England
:D It is just a tiny village with a nearby farm, but you never
know... ;)

Palindrome

James Martin

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Cool

James M.


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James Martin

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He has a point.

James Martin

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Rob

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Arthur Bragianos wrote:
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> If the Brits wanted to have a Stargate they wouldn't have to find a new one
> they would just steal one from somone who already had one. It's the same
> policy they used to populate their Museum of History, with countless
> treasures stolen from other countries.
>
> Arthur

Spoiler Space for "Watergate" below:
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That's how the Russians got their Stargate. Stole it from the Asguard
(SP?).

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Elaine Palmer

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Palindrome wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 19:27:47 -0000, "Dazza"
> <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
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> >If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a 4th
> >Stargate here on earth?
>
> I actually live not far from a place called Stargate, in NE England
> :D It is just a tiny village with a nearby farm, but you never
> know... ;)
>
> Palindrome

Would that be the Stargate on the way to Ryton from the MetroCentre? If it
is, we've been through there on the bus a few times on the way to visit
friends in Ryton. Keep meaning to leave enough time to stop off and take a
photo of the sign, but we're always in too much of a hurry. Couldn't email me
a photo could you? :-) Hubby and I were thinking it would be fun (although
silly) to get a collection of photos of places with names used in Science
Fiction (books, films or television series) and that is an obvious one to
have in such a collection.

Elaine

Dazza

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Okay

Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have
Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States
Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship


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> > If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a
> 4th
> > Stargate here on earth?
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Gizmo_Goddard

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Dazza wrote in message <8uk6e4$vrn$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>...

>Okay
>
>Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have
>Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States
>Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship
>

AKKKKKKK!!!!!!!
<SPOILERS>

Alpha Gate - originally at the SGC, transported to the
Balisiner(sp) later recovered by the Russians.

Beta Gate - originally in Antartica, later used by NID, then
installed in the SGC to replace the Alpha Gate.

Two, count'em.

__!_!__
Gizmo

Palindrome

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Hello, Elaine

>Would that be the Stargate on the way to Ryton from the MetroCentre?

Yes, the very one :D I will send a picture as soon as I can - my
friend and I often drive past it, and he has a digital camera - I
shall ask him to grab a shot :)

Palindrome

Dazza

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Oooops, Sorry!!! - I though that episode had been screened!!!

Dazza


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Palindrome

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:10:00 -0000, "Dazza"
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>Okay
>
>Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have
>Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States
>Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship

Stargate 1 = The one the Yanks found in Egypt
Stargate 2 = The Antarctic Gate
Stargate 3 = Stargate 1, which was "beamed" aboard Thor's ship to aid
an escape. Salvaged by the Russkis.

Stargate 2 is now in SG Headquarters.

Mind you, I could be wrong :D

Palindrome

Jette Goldie

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Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Okay
>
> Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have
> Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States
> Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship
>


No, there are only 2 gates. The "one the yanks have"
is the one found in Egypt in the 30s - or at least that
was the original gate that SGC were using. Then
they found one in Antartica. When the spider thingies
attacked O'Neil beamed that gate to the Asgard ship
and used it to escape. That one crashed to earth
in the dying Asgard ship. The second gate - the one
found in Antartica - was then set up in the gate
control room and is now the gate used by SGC.
The Russians got their hands on the 1st gate, the
one that was in the crashed Asgard ship.


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Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Oooops, Sorry!!! - I though that episode had been screened!!!
>
> Dazza


It has - unless you are on Ch4 in the UK or syndication in the
US, or perhaps in Australia or NZ.

Adam McGaughey

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elaine...@citysun.ac.uk writes:
>Hubby and I were thinking it would be fun (although
>silly) to get a collection of photos of places with names used in Science
>Fiction (books, films or television series)

I used to work across the street from the shopping maill where they filmed
some of the scenes in Back to the Future, where Marty first travelled back
in time. We used to call it the "Lone Pine Mall."

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Edward Potts

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"Weyoun the Dancing Borg" <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
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> > If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a
> 4th
> > Stargate here on earth?
>
> Because to do that, they need to find a third first.
>
> itiot.

The first stargate was destroyed (or something), so they brought the second
one out of storage. The Russians have a third one, so a British one would be
a fourth.

And I think you mean 'idiot' not 'itiot'.

Idiot.

Gareth Kitchener

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On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 22:15:36 -0000, "Edward Potts"
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>The first stargate was destroyed (or something), so they brought the second
>one out of storage. The Russians have a third one, so a British one would be
>a fourth.

Umm... the first one was lost at sea and found by the Russians. There
are only two.

>
>Idiot.
>
I think you misspelt "Edward". ;-)

Gareth


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Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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spoiler space for season 3


ive seen every episode.

they have one from egypt, and one from antarctica. they moved the one
form antarctica to america. there are only 2 stargates, as said in the
episode with the peace treaty with the Goauld, Asgard and Earth.

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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the USA has no histroy.

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plaid lad!

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>
> If the Brits wanted to have a Stargate they wouldn't have to find a new
one
> they would just steal one from somone who already had one. It's the same
> policy they used to populate their Museum of History, with countless
> treasures stolen from other countries.

uh-oh. looks like General Hammond gonna have the change the locks at
Stargate Command....


Jette Goldie

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Locks don't stop a JCB.

Adam McGaughey

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jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.nospam writes:
>When the spider thingies
>attacked O'Neil beamed that gate to the Asgard ship
>and used it to escape. That one crashed to earth
>in the dying Asgard ship.

Hey I just thought of something. Why didn't he beam up the beta gate? That
would have made more sense, and it would also make more sense now, since
the gate currently at the SGC does not have the beta gate's point of
origin symbol.

Adam McGaughey

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E.W....@btinternet.com writes:
>The first stargate was destroyed (or something), so they brought the
>second
>one out of storage. The Russians have a third one, so a British one would
>be
>a fourth.

Destroyed or something? No it wasn't.

<SPOILERS for SEASON 1-4 (405)>
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There are two gates on Earth. The alpha gate was found in Giza in 1928,
and was at the SGC until the end of season 3, when Jack beamed it to the
Asgard ship, which crashed into the Pacific Ocean, where the Russians
found it. That gate is was least seen in Russia., and is most likely still
there, along with the alpha DHD, which the Russians got from the Germans
at the end of World War II. The beta gate was found in the Antartic during
season 1, stored at area 51, stolen by Maybourne in seaosn 2, then
recovered and sent back to the SGC for storage, until finally being used
starting in season 4 as the SGC gate. I assume the beta DHD is in storage
at the SGC.

Adam McGaughey

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plai...@mailcity.com writes:
>uh-oh. looks like General Hammond gonna have the change the locks at
>Stargate Command....

He should kick out all those Canadians upstairs in NORAD while he's at
it.... ;-)

spi...@freenet.co.uk

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Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:

> If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a 4th
> Stargate here on earth?

4th????

spoiler space


There're only 2 stargates on earth.
The rusky one if the one they salvaged from the wreckage of the asgard ship!
(The original gate)

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Jette Goldie

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> jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.nospam writes:
> >When the spider thingies
> >attacked O'Neil beamed that gate to the Asgard ship
> >and used it to escape. That one crashed to earth
> >in the dying Asgard ship.
>
> Hey I just thought of something. Why didn't he beam up the beta gate? That
> would have made more sense, and it would also make more sense now, since
> the gate currently at the SGC does not have the beta gate's point of
> origin symbol.
>


Cos he could work out the co-ordinates for the Alpha gate
more easily since it was in the gate room not in some
lock up elsewhere in the complex?

Besides it made for a cooler bit of drama when Hammond
saw the gate disappear <g>

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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> Hey I just thought of something. Why didn't he beam up the beta gate?
That
> would have made more sense, and it would also make more sense now,
since
> the gate currently at the SGC does not have the beta gate's point of
> origin symbol.

u mean the alpha gate's origin symbol

and that owuld be a bugger if they want to gate out :)

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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> Locks don't stop a JCB.

I bet a staff weapon and a couple of Zats could though :)

Gizmo_Goddard

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Adam McGaughey wrote in message ...

>jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.nospam writes:
>
>Hey I just thought of something. Why didn't he beam up the beta
gate? That
>would have made more sense, and it would also make more sense
now, since
>the gate currently at the SGC does not have the beta gate's
point of
>origin symbol.
>

They grabbed the SGCs gate because the Alpha gate was in routine
use, which meant that it retained enough energy for one manual
dial-out. The Beta gate had been sealed up an out of use for
some time. I'm sure that part of the decommissioning after they
took it back from NID was to discharge any power still retained
in it.

The "Point of Origin" is Earth. Both gates would use the same
symbol as the Point of Origin
<SPOILERS FOR WATERGATE>


As Dr. Markov and Carter explained, the gate that is connected
to the DHD has priority over the other gate. The Russians only
kept the DHD (which they confiscated from Germans during the
Great Patriotic War) connected when their gate was in use to
prevent any SG Teams from accidentally being rerouted to
Siberia, a process that was called crossover.

__!_!__
Gizmo


Zaax

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In article <8uk93e$79l$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Jette Goldie
<jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.NOSPAM> writes

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>Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:8uk6e4$vrn$1...@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> Okay
>>
>> Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have
>> Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States
>> Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship
>>
>
>
>No, there are only 2 gates. The "one the yanks have"
>is the one found in Egypt in the 30s - or at least that
>was the original gate that SGC were using. Then
>they found one in Antartica. When the spider thingies

>attacked O'Neil beamed that gate to the Asgard ship
>and used it to escape. That one crashed to earth
>in the dying Asgard ship. The second gate - the one
>found in Antartica - was then set up in the gate
>control room and is now the gate used by SGC.
>The Russians got their hands on the 1st gate, the
>one that was in the crashed Asgard ship.
Don't forget the gate which was on Apophis ship (Within the Serpent's
Grasp) when it blew up in. If a gate can with stand lava and the
crashing of Thor's ship etc, it can with stand a re-entry.


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Jette Goldie

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
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> > Locks don't stop a JCB.
>
> I bet a staff weapon and a couple of Zats could though :)
>

London Metropolitan Police managed it while dressed as
cleaners <g>

Gizmo_Goddard

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Zaax wrote in message ...

>In article <8uk93e$79l$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>, Jette Goldie
>Don't forget the gate which was on Apophis ship (Within the
Serpent's
>Grasp) when it blew up in. If a gate can with stand lava and
the
>crashing of Thor's ship etc, it can with stand a re-entry.
>
One would think that the Goa'uld are smart enough to destroy the
stargate onboard their ship as a part of abandoning ship. It
would keep it from falling into a rival goa'uld's hands.

__!_!__
Gizmo

Mike Burke

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Palindrome wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2000 19:10:00 -0000, "Dazza"
> <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>

> >Okay
> >
> >Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have
> >Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States
> >Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship
>

> Stargate 1 = The one the Yanks found in Egypt
> Stargate 2 = The Antarctic Gate
> Stargate 3 = Stargate 1, which was "beamed" aboard Thor's ship to aid
> an escape. Salvaged by the Russkis.
>
> Stargate 2 is now in SG Headquarters.
>
> Mind you, I could be wrong :D
>
> Palindrome

You have it right, based on what I've seen so far in the three and a
half seasons that have run on Showtime.

Mike

Mike Burke

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Jette Goldie wrote:

And the Beta Gate had had an iris welded across the threshold when
the SGC took control of it.

Mike

Mike Burke

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:

> the USA has no histroy.
>

True. We make it up as we go along.

Mike

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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Thomas Grinsted

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Maybe a few spoilers who knows? Not me...


The alpha DHD must be with the SGC now, as Carter said that a wormhole would
establish its self to the gate with the DHD, basically like a default. But
if the SGC have it, WHY OH WHY do they still use the dialler that they
built???

dazz...@my-deja.com

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In article <qFkP5.5230$f12....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>,
"Weyoun the Dancing Borg" <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote:
> spoiler space

>
> ive seen every episode.
>
> they have one from egypt, and one from antarctica. they moved the one
> form antarctica to america. there are only 2 stargates, as said in the
> episode with the peace treaty with the Goauld, Asgard and Earth.

Dazza here - Using deja this time!

I haven't seen season 3 yet - I didn't realise there were only 2, I
knew there was the one Ra bought to Earth which was unearthed in Egypt
and the one which was found in Antartica - I read a spoiler that the
Russians had recovered one from a crashed ship so assumed this was the
3rd - Although I'm puzzled now as maybe the Russian one is one of the
existing 2 which they stole.


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Adam McGaughey

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>The "Point of Origin" is Earth. Both gates would use the same
>symbol as the Point of Origin

The symbol on the beta gate is different, as seen in the episode where it
was discovered. I'm sure the computer dialing device would still work, but
they should not have the alpha gate's point of origin symbol on the beta
gate.

Eva

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The Stargate that the Russians have at the moment (as in Season 4) is
the same Stargate recovered in 1928 in Giza by Catherine's father, and
used by SGC until the end of Season 3. SGC are now using the Stargate
recovered from Antarctica.

Eva

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Elaine Palmer

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Cool. Thank you.

Elaine

Palindrome wrote:

> Hello, Elaine
>
> >Would that be the Stargate on the way to Ryton from the MetroCentre?
>
> Yes, the very one :D I will send a picture as soon as I can - my
> friend and I often drive past it, and he has a digital camera - I
> shall ask him to grab a shot :)
>
> Palindrome


Eva

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Thomas Grinsted <tom.gr...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Do you mean that the Russians gave their DHD (the alpha one) to SGC? I
doubt it, I am sure their stargate programme is not over yet. Plus the
alpha DHD wouldn't work with the beta gate anyway, unless the Russians
handed over the alpha gate as well.

As for SGC using the computer "DHD", I believe the reason is that it
gives them more control over the stargate, it controls the iris
(although they could probably get around that one) and, most
importantly, has much better security than the original DHD. Not 100%,
but better. And last, but not least, you cannot get those cool
screensavers for the original DHD! ;-)

I would imagine the beta DHD has been left in the storage where the beta
gate used to be.

Thomas Grinsted

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But Sam said that the reason why they couldn't dial in or out of the SCG was
that the Russians were using a real DHD, not a crappy human made one. This
meant that whatever gate it was connected to would be the default gate for
Earth. If this was still happening, the SGC would still be having problems
dialling.

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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> > spoiler space
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > ive seen every episode.
> >
> > they have one from egypt, and one from antarctica. they moved the
one
> > form antarctica to america. there are only 2 stargates, as said in
the
> > episode with the peace treaty with the Goauld, Asgard and Earth.
>
> Dazza here - Using deja this time!
>
> I haven't seen season 3 yet - I didn't realise there were only 2, I
> knew there was the one Ra bought to Earth which was unearthed in Egypt
> and the one which was found in Antartica - I read a spoiler that the
> Russians had recovered one from a crashed ship so assumed this was the
> 3rd - Although I'm puzzled now as maybe the Russian one is one of the
> existing 2 which they stole.

ok, as of beginning of "NEmesis" (last episode of season 3)

Alpha Gate (It's proper name) found at Egypt in 1929 at Giza. No DHD.
That is used by the SGC.

Beta Gate: Found in season 2 or 3 in Antarctica. Has a DHD


During Nemesis, Thor's ship is about to be blown up in the atmosphere.
They cannot escape (Outgoing transporters disabled) so they beam up the
Alpha gat to thor's ship and escape on it. The Beta gate is then
errected in the SGC as the main gate. Thor's ship crashes in the ocean,
and the Russians find the Alpha gate. This is now the russian's gate,.


Eva

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Please people learn to use spoilers and spoiler space.
How hard can it be?

Thomas Grinsted <tom.gr...@btinternet.com> wrote in message

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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> But Sam said that the reason why they couldn't dial in or out of the
SCG was
> that the Russians were using a real DHD, not a crappy human made one.

You shouldn't let Sam hear you calling their computer DHD a crappy one!
;-)

Yes, that's true, the manual DHD made the Russian gate the default one.
The thing is, up to now, this wasn't a problem, since the US were the
only country who had a stargate (well, two). The Russian programme
seems to have come to a halt now (although we don't exactly know that),
so I wouldn't expect many problems like the one in "Watergate". I think
the security advantages of the computer DHD outweigh the risk of not
being able to dial out on the rare ocassion when this might happen.
Plus, how many episodes after "Watergate" have we seen, 4 or 5? Maybe
no-one has thought of it yet...

This
> meant that whatever gate it was connected to would be the default gate
for
> Earth. If this was still happening, the SGC would still be having
problems
> dialling.

The Russians were very careful about the times they used to dial their
DHD, because they didn't want the US to know they had a stargate. We
only found out when things went wrong and they didn't have any other
choice. I hope we see another "Russian" episode in not too distant
future to find out where the Russian programme is going, if anywhere at
all. They owe us for saving their butt, but how much gratitude they
will be willing to show is another matter. Having a default gate could
give them a strategic advantage over the US, though, which would
definitely be a security risk. Don't the CIA have any spies in Russia
anymore?? It's time for Maybourne to redeem himself, I think. (That's a
speculation, not a spoiler.)

Adam McGaughey

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ev...@removethisukonline.co.uk writes:
>Please people learn to use spoilers and spoiler space.

I don not understand why people cannot read one line of text that says
"spoilers for season 4" and then have some disability that prevents them
from reading the line below it. I have placed spoiler space on some of my
messages when appropriate, but I will never understand why it is needed if
a message notes that spoilers exist.

Mark Evans

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Gizmo_Goddard <marka...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Adam McGaughey wrote in message ...
>>jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.nospam writes:
>>
>>Hey I just thought of something. Why didn't he beam up the beta
> gate? That
>>would have made more sense, and it would also make more sense
> now, since
>>the gate currently at the SGC does not have the beta gate's
> point of
>>origin symbol.
>>

> They grabbed the SGCs gate because the Alpha gate was in routine
> use, which meant that it retained enough energy for one manual
> dial-out. The Beta gate had been sealed up an out of use for
> some time. I'm sure that part of the decommissioning after they
> took it back from NID was to discharge any power still retained
> in it.

> The "Point of Origin" is Earth. Both gates would use the same
> symbol as the Point of Origin

Except that they didn't, as was explicitally stated in
"Solitudes"

Mark Evans

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Thomas Grinsted <tom.gr...@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Maybe a few spoilers who knows? Not me...


> The alpha DHD must be with the SGC now, as Carter said that a wormhole would
> establish its self to the gate with the DHD, basically like a default. But
> if the SGC have it, WHY OH WHY do they still use the dialler that they
> built???

Because the standard DHD has no security mechanisms and the only way of
keeping an audit trail would be to photograph it before the symbols
go out.

spi...@freenet.co.uk

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Zaax <st...@lineone.net> did eloquently scribble:

> Don't forget the gate which was on Apophis ship (Within the Serpent's
> Grasp) when it blew up in. If a gate can with stand lava and the
> crashing of Thor's ship etc, it can with stand a re-entry.

Unless the blast sent that one spinning towards the sun or outerspace.

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spi...@freenet.co.uk

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Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:
> Oooops, Sorry!!! - I though that episode had been screened!!!

Not in syndication or on Channel 4 in the UK.

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Edward Potts <E.W....@btinternet.com> did eloquently scribble:
> "Weyoun the Dancing Borg" <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
> news:FX_O5.2333$f12....@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>>
>> > If the US an Russians have a Star Gate then why can't we Brits find a
>> 4th
>> > Stargate here on earth?
>>
>> Because to do that, they need to find a third first.
>>
>> itiot.

> The first stargate was destroyed (or something), so they brought the second
> one out of storage. The Russians have a third one, so a British one would be
> a fourth.

I suggest you watch Watergate before spouting rubbish...
There are only 2 stargates on earth, and (unless they find a third in season
4 or 5) have only ever been 2.

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Dazza <dar...@dazzasroyals.freeserve.co.uk> did eloquently scribble:


Spoilers for Small Victories and Watergate.


> Okay

> Star Gate 1 = The one the yanks have

Which they found in antarctica

> Star Gate 2 = The one they found in the States

Which doesn't exist and never has.

> Star Gate 3 = The Russians one from Thors Ship

Which they found in Egypt, transferred to the SGC and transported to Thors
ship to escape.

spi...@freenet.co.uk

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Adam McGaughey <ad...@gammaquad.com> did eloquently scribble:
> jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk.nospam writes:

Spoilers etc etc etc


>>When the spider thingies
>>attacked O'Neil beamed that gate to the Asgard ship
>>and used it to escape. That one crashed to earth
>>in the dying Asgard ship.

> Hey I just thought of something. Why didn't he beam up the beta gate? That


> would have made more sense, and it would also make more sense now, since
> the gate currently at the SGC does not have the beta gate's point of
> origin symbol.

The Beta gate was welded with a permanent iris...
I *little* awkward when they needed to use it as an escape route
immediately.

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Gizmo_Goddard

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Adam McGaughey wrote in message ...
>marka...@worldnet.att.net writes:
>>The "Point of Origin" is Earth. Both gates would use the same
>>symbol as the Point of Origin
>
>The symbol on the beta gate is different, as seen in the
episode where it
>was discovered. I'm sure the computer dialing device would
still work, but
>they should not have the alpha gate's point of origin symbol on
the beta
>gate.
>
I've didn't record that episode, so I'll just have to wait for
sci-fi to get around to reairing it. Provided they don't use the
awful fake widescreen that they are currently using for Babylon
5.

__!_!__
Gizmo

DeathBunny

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It's pre-programmable, faster, and securable. It also has the compensations
for drift programmed into it already, along with the iris controls...


Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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listen you stupid american:

o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians

o you cant develop a hover-air-craft

o your troops fired on allies inthe gulf war

o you crashed 2 or 3 probes into mars cos u dont know what km are.

o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen pictures
of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could gt
it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name of
the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each other
or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.

o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
computers

o Oh, and we also invented America, as you know it. :p

o You lost a war with farmers, and still dont admit defeat becuase it
was a "draw". <cough, yeah right cough>

You create more pollution than any other country, and thake up more
resources than any other. Over half of your people are clinically obese,
and this food could go to other countries. You have no history, and
resort to taking other peopel's. FOR INSTANCE:

London Bridge. You lot thought it was Tower Bridge (the bigone) and so
bought it. shipped it to America, unpacked it, realisedit it was the
wrong one (becuase ur thick) and then left it in a desert.

so until you are completely problem free, I suggest you dont make fun of
others.


--
"I just hope that he dies alone and afraid, secure in the knowledge no
one ever really loved him. But that's it."

Chuck: talking about me.

wey...@ntlworld.com.despam


"Steve Christianson" <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
>
> Arthur Bragianos wrote:
> >
> > If the Brits wanted to have a Stargate they wouldn't have to find a
new one
> > they would just steal one from somone who already had one. It's the
same
> > policy they used to populate their Museum of History, with countless
> > treasures stolen from other countries.
>
>
> Naah, they'd just whine to us Americans and we'd have to lend them
one.
>
> I can see the Brits using a Stargate:
>
> (1) Petrol strike would shut down power supply to the gate
> (2) Gate would sink under water during flooding
> (3) Squiffed fan girls would use it to travel to RDA's house with
their
> bottles of Cava
> (4) Travel through the Universe would be done on the left (i.e.,
wrong)
> side of the worm hole.


Eva

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Adam McGaughey <ad...@gammaquad.com> wrote in message
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> ev...@removethisukonline.co.uk writes:

> >Please people learn to use spoilers and spoiler space.
>
> I don not understand why people cannot read one line of text that says
> "spoilers for season 4" and then have some disability that prevents
them
> from reading the line below it. I have placed spoiler space on some of
my
> messages when appropriate, but I will never understand why it is
needed if
> a message notes that spoilers exist.


>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


In this particular thread, there was no spoiler warning in the header to
start with, even though the very first message mentions "Watergate". So
someone who has been trying to avoid spoilers and hasn't seen the
episode, or even Season 4, now knows that the Russians have a stargate.

And no matter how much it is frowned on, Outlook Express is used by vast
number of people to read newsgroups. And most of those have it set to
download the message automatically when they click on the subject line.
So even if you do have "SPOILER" written in the header, unless there is
spoiler space in the message, you will see the text, if you accidentally
click on the header. And you don't have to have "disability" to do
that, it's easily done when you are downloading messages manually. And
as it's been said before, you don't need to read the message to "read"
it, a glance will do it for you before you realise.

I consider using spoilers and spoiler space to be a courtesy towards my
fellow Stargate fans, that's all.

Eva

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
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LOL! I know you're being serious, Weyoun, but this is quite funny, with
some good points.

BTW, if you read other posts from Steve, you must realise that he was
joking!

Eva

> "Steve Christianson" <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Eva

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Steve Christianson <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
>
> An amazingly dumb poster named Weyoun the Dancing Borg who missed out
on
> the concept of *joking* in school wrote:
>
> > listen you stupid american:
>
>
> Oooh! Watch out or I will get my constitutionally protected handgun
and
> shoot you!

>
>
> > o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians
>
>
> Everyone here from a country *with* a space program raise their hand.

>
>
> > o you cant develop a hover-air-craft
>
>
> I sob in my pillow every night from the loss.

>
>
> > o your troops fired on allies inthe gulf war
>
>
> o OK

>
>
> > o you crashed 2 or 3 probes into mars cos u dont know what km are.
>
>
> o Pray tell the last British probe to Mars

>
>
> > o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen
pictures
> > of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could
gt
> > it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name
of
> > the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each
other
> > or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.
>
>
> o Kook Alert!

>
>
> > o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
> > computers
>
>
> Don't forget Pancake Day.

>
>
> > o Oh, and we also invented America, as you know it. :p
>
>
> Right, you created the tectonic plates too.

>
>
> > o You lost a war with farmers,
>
>
> Like the ones at Lexington and Concord?

>
>
> > and still dont admit defeat becuase it
> > was a "draw". <cough, yeah right cough>
>
>
> Clue Alert! Which country fought France for a hundred years and, um,
> lost?
> The Germans beat 'em in six weeks, kid.

>
>
> > You create more pollution than any other country, and thake up more
> > resources than any other.
>
>
> And we fart in your general direction, you silly English
kniiiiggittts!
> Now stop or I will taunt you again.

>
>
> > Over half of your people are clinically obese,
>
>
> Don't talk about Ta like that.

>
>
> > and this food could go to other countries.
>
>
> We send the jellied eels to England. No, really, our pleasure.

>
>
> > You have no history, and
> > resort to taking other peopel's. FOR INSTANCE:
> >
> > London Bridge. You lot thought it was Tower Bridge (the bigone)
>
>
> Let bigones be bigones.

>
>
> > and so
> > bought it. shipped it to America, unpacked it, realisedit it was the
> > wrong one (becuase ur thick) and then left it in a desert.
> >
> > so until you are completely problem free, I suggest you dont make
fun of
> > others.
>
>
> Can I stop crying now from the devastating retort?


Can I stop crying from laughing now?

ephian

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> listen you stupid american:
.

> o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
> computers

Hey, wasn't that the Swiss? Those guys at CERN did the WWW, I thought.

ephian

DeathBunny

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"Weyoun the Dancing Borg" <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
news:Z2PP5.13665$SI1.1...@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> listen you stupid american:
>
> o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians

Ummm....NASA is a civilian agency, OF COURSE there would be civilians!

>
> o you cant develop a hover-air-craft

That's what the Brits are for! Geez, never heard of "foreighn procurement"?

>
> o your troops fired on allies inthe gulf war

And this never happened to the Brits? If it makes you feel any better, we
shot some of our own too and MANY, MANY more of the enemies.

>
> o you crashed 2 or 3 probes into mars cos u dont know what km are.

Kilometers...the dastardly product of an international conspiracy to f@#$
with what works.

At least we kept out of the UeroDollar...

>
> o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen pictures
> of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could gt
> it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name of
> the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each other
> or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.

No, just the Democrats. They designed it, they couldn't seem to follow the
instructions, they'll hopefully stay self-disenfranchised.


>
> o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
> computers

And the Japanese build them, your point?

>
> o Oh, and we also invented America, as you know it. :p

And the Titanic too!

>
> o You lost a war with farmers, and still dont admit defeat becuase it


> was a "draw". <cough, yeah right cough>

And the US has had to bail out the UK, how many times?

>
> You create more pollution than any other country, and thake up more

> resources than any other. Over half of your people are clinically obese,
> and this food could go to other countries. You have no history, and


> resort to taking other peopel's.

Because we can, and can get away with it! Of course we didn't have to go as
far to oppress and kill of native populations in asymetrical wars in the
name of the King or Queer!

>FOR INSTANCE:
>
> London Bridge. You lot thought it was Tower Bridge (the bigone) and so


> bought it. shipped it to America, unpacked it, realisedit it was the
> wrong one (becuase ur thick) and then left it in a desert.
>

I've seen it, it's nice. It's a tourist draw in a small town in Arizona.

>
>
> so until you are completely problem free, I suggest you dont make fun of
> others.
>

It's that chip on a lot of Brit's shoulders...it makes them a great little
target!

Besides, I just can't hold a grudge against the people that came ip with Dr.
Who and Rowan Atkinson, and, of course, that Grail movie...

--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge

"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin

"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail

"Warfare is the Way of deception."
-Sun Tzu (as translated by Sonshi.com)

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy


ephian

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Eva wrote:
> And no matter how much it is frowned on, Outlook Express is used by vast
> number of people to read newsgroups. And most of those have it set to
> download the message automatically when they click on the subject line.
> So even if you do have "SPOILER" written in the header, unless there is
> spoiler space in the message, you will see the text, if you accidentally
> click on the header. And you don't have to have "disability" to do
> that, it's easily done when you are downloading messages manually. And
> as it's been said before, you don't need to read the message to "read"
> it, a glance will do it for you before you realise.

In Outlook Express, go to View, Layout, and uncheck Preview Pane. Then the
message won't appear unless you double click it. I do this whenever I really
don't want to be spoiled. As I'll probably be doing after you Brits get
ahead of us in the episodes, unless I just can't resist and read about them
anyway, which is probably what I'll do since I have no will power <g>.

But you're absolutely right, spoiler space is a nice courtesy.

ephian

ephian

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen pictures
> of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could gt
> it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name of
> the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each other
> or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.

This has to be one of the funniest events of recent years, if it weren't so
tragic, I suppose. I don't know what is funnier - watching the comics take
this issue apart, or watching the explanations of how they got confused as
told by the confused voters themselves. On Saturday Night Live, there was a
wonderful skit with the Gore impersonator (Darryl Hammond, a very funny guy)
explaining how complex the ballot was ("And what to you do the the holes? Do
you color them in? And if so what color should you use? Or do you lick them?
It's just sooooooo confusin' ").

ephian

Diane Brewster

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ephian wrote in message ...

>Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
>> listen you stupid american:
>.
>> o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
>> computers
>
>Hey, wasn't that the Swiss? Those guys at CERN did the WWW, I thought.


oh I know this one, it's my fantasy "million pound" question on "Who wants
to be a millionaire?" (we invested that too BTW<g>)

it was Tim Berners-Lee and without doubt he is British and was working at
CERN at the time.

diane

Jette Goldie

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> X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
>
> Arthur Bragianos wrote:
> >
> > If the Brits wanted to have a Stargate they wouldn't have to find a new
one
> > they would just steal one from somone who already had one. It's the same
> > policy they used to populate their Museum of History, with countless
> > treasures stolen from other countries.
>
>
> Naah, they'd just whine to us Americans and we'd have to lend them one.
>
> I can see the Brits using a Stargate:
>
> (1) Petrol strike would shut down power supply to the gate
> (2) Gate would sink under water during flooding
> (3) Squiffed fan girls would use it to travel to RDA's house with their
> bottles of Cava
> (4) Travel through the Universe would be done on the left (i.e., wrong)
> side of the worm hole.

got to say one thing here - for months I saw "Dump the Pump"
emails and websites coming from the USA which were explained
away as "hoaxes".

Guess what? Same call was made in the UK and we got truckers
blocking the refineries <g>


--
Jette
boss...@scotlandmail.com
Colonel Bosslady, SG-6, Search and Rescue.
http://home.freeuk.com/bosslady/

Jette Goldie

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> X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
>
> An amazingly dumb poster named Weyoun the Dancing Borg who missed out on
> the concept of *joking* in school wrote:
>
> > listen you stupid american:
>
>
> Oooh! Watch out or I will get my constitutionally protected handgun and
> shoot you!
>
>
> > o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians
>
>
> Everyone here from a country *with* a space program raise their hand.
>


(putting hand up)

Yes, it is part of the European space program but we still
help launch the odd Arianne rocket now and again, somewhere
in the tropics. Woomera doesn't get much use as a rocket
launching base, but its tracking systems are still going. OK
that's in Australia, but it was the centre of the =British=
space program when I was younger. (one had her dreams)

Jette Goldie

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> Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> > listen you stupid american:
> .
> > o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
> > computers
>
> Hey, wasn't that the Swiss? Those guys at CERN did the WWW, I thought.


Apparently BT owns one of the main protocols used by the WWW
- the paer wee BT technician whae invented it got paid ONE DOLLAR
tae mak it legal, like <g>

Ranger Bob

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:06:58 -0000, "Weyoun the Dancing Borg"
<wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote:

>listen you stupid american:
Considering what you are responding to, I'll agree with this
one. :)


>o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians

Which is much worse than the British program which has never
killed any space travelers. Of course, it hasn't had any space
travelers.


>o you cant develop a hover-air-craft

I guess you never heard of the helicopter. :)


>o your troops fired on allies inthe gulf war

Sure did. Happens in every war. We were just more likely to do
so since we had so many more troops there than you.


>o you crashed 2 or 3 probes into mars cos u dont know what km are.

As Steve said, we might not understand metrics, but at least
we made it all the way to Mars.

>o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen pictures
>of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could gt
>it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name of
>the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each other
>or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.

I will chalk this one up to ignorance of the voting system in
the US. There are many different kinds of ballots in the US. In my
state, there are several different kinds of ballots, and the one you
get is based on where you live. Same deal in Florida.
Now THAT might be stupid, but it is written in the
constitution that the individual states will control voting
procedures. The ballots that have caused the controversy are not the
same as what you described. In my area, we have the ones you describe
and there is no problem with the voting here.


>o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
>computers

And we and the Japanese made all the money. Ironic isn't it?
:)


>o Oh, and we also invented America, as you know it. :p

ROTFLMAO! America as I know it doesn't wear powdered wigs,
doesn't drink tea, isn't crammed on the East side of the Appalachian
mountains, and doesn't serve a king who doesn't give a crap about us
except for the taxes we might bring in.
We have a lot of problems, but we made the country we have.


>o You lost a war with farmers, and still dont admit defeat becuase it
>was a "draw". <cough, yeah right cough>

I don't know who you have been talking to, but everyone I know
calls Vietnam a loss, and we lost it to the NVA, not the farmers who
were all but wiped out by mid 1968.


>You create more pollution than any other country, and thake up more
>resources than any other.

Why does a dog lick himself? Because he can.


>Over half of your people are clinically obese,

Not true. Over half are over weight, not clinically obese.


>and this food could go to other countries.

Believe me, you can have all the sheeps' intestines and sardines we
have. I firmly believe that we have more obesiety in America than GB
because we have decent tasting food. :)


>You have no history, and
>resort to taking other peopel's.

>FOR INSTANCE:


>
>London Bridge. You lot thought it was Tower Bridge (the bigone) and so
>bought it. shipped it to America, unpacked it, realisedit it was the
>wrong one (becuase ur thick) and then left it in a desert.

Americans buy all kinds of crap they don't need. Who would want Tower
Bridge? We don't have any songs about Tower Bridge.


>
>
>so until you are completely problem free, I suggest you dont make fun of
>others.

Ditto for you.


>
>
>
>--
>"I just hope that he dies alone and afraid, secure in the knowledge no
>one ever really loved him. But that's it."
>
>Chuck: talking about me.
>
>wey...@ntlworld.com.despam
>
>

>"Steve Christianson" <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

Eva

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Actually, the fact that I *can* download the body of the message by just
clicking once on the header is probably the main reason why I use OE;
Agent or Gravity just drive me mad when I have to do two clicks instead
of one. If you have to do it a lot, just think of the damage you're
doing to your finger joints. :-)

As for us being ahead of you, with a bit of luck someone will upload the
new episodes to Adam's site, so if you want, you can squint at your
monitor while you're watching the .asfs. ;-) It would give you a first
hand experience what it's been like for us and how the finer points of
the body language get lost in this format, so when you see the same
episode on the TV screen later on, it may actually change your
perception of some moments. It's quite interesting...

Paul George Dooley

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> I don not understand why people cannot read one line of text that says
> "spoilers for season 4" and then have some disability that prevents them
> from reading the line below it. I have placed spoiler space on some of my
> messages when appropriate, but I will never understand why it is needed if
> a message notes that spoilers exist.
>
It has to do with the way that your eyes and brain actually work. Your
eyes do not only take in the single line of text, but a large part of
everything else in the field of view which is then processed by your brain.
Just watch the eyes of someone reading and look at the movement of the eyes
also, it's not smoothly top to bottom and left to right, or whatever mode is
used, it jumps around all over the area of interest. If you can speed read
then you actually have a greater problem than most because you actually
train yourself to use this additional information perceived.
Then we get to the individual choice of how you actually read the
messages. Do you first see headers only, in which case the word spoiler, as
long as clearly stating what it is a spoiler of, is sufficient. If you have
a small preview screen for messages then spoiler space, if sufficient to get
the text offscreen, will give you an additional level of protection. A full
page for reading gives you little option but to be spoiled unfortunately,
because as you open the next message your eyes will flick over the whole
page noting the text, unless there is massive spacing at the top of the
message.
Since the moving of the eyes is one of those involuntary things caused
by evolution trying to keep the species alive, it's hard to train yourself
to stop doing it.

--

Hamlet I, v, 166.
Words to live by?

Paul

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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Tim Burner's Lee was Britisha nd created many of the communiocation
standards and the first HTML laguage.

And it recently came to my attention that the British invented what was
the internet. But the British government wasnt interested. so they went
toi america.

--
"I just hope that he dies alone and afraid, secure in the knowledge no
one ever really loved him. But that's it."

Chuck: talking about me.

wey...@ntlworld.com.despam


"ephian" <eph...@home.com> wrote in message

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> Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> > listen you stupid american:

> .
> > o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
> > computers
>

> Hey, wasn't that the Swiss? Those guys at CERN did the WWW, I thought.
>

> ephian
>
>


Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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> > o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians
>
> Ummm....NASA is a civilian agency, OF COURSE there would be civilians!

ok, bad wording. there were untrained civilians onboard.


>
> >
> > o you cant develop a hover-air-craft
>

> That's what the Brits are for! Geez, never heard of "foreighn
procurement"?

:)

>
> >
> > o your troops fired on allies inthe gulf war
>

> And this never happened to the Brits? If it makes you feel any
better, we
> shot some of our own too and MANY, MANY more of the enemies.
>
> >

> > o you crashed 2 or 3 probes into mars cos u dont know what km are.
>

> Kilometers...the dastardly product of an international conspiracy to
f@#$
> with what works.

hehehe

dont blame us, it's europe that invented the bloody things.


>
> At least we kept out of the UeroDollar...

the what?

that doesnt sound nice. we're keeping out of the Euro as well.


>
> >
> > o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen
pictures
> > of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could
gt
> > it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name
of
> > the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each
other
> > or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.
>

> No, just the Democrats. They designed it, they couldn't seem to
follow the
> instructions, they'll hopefully stay self-disenfranchised.
> >

> > o You may have invented the Internet, but we invented the WWW and
> > computers
>

> And the Japanese build them, your point?

Is just beyond your grasp :p

>
> >
> > o Oh, and we also invented America, as you know it. :p
>

> And the Titanic too!

great ship. bad captain.

>
> >
> > o You lost a war with farmers, and still dont admit defeat becuase
it
> > was a "draw". <cough, yeah right cough>
>

> And the US has had to bail out the UK, how many times?

only twice. But the thing is, we won our war against germany. but we
were bailing out France. He never set a foot on the UK. We won the
Battle of Britain in 1941. Didnt the yanks help out in 42? That was to
help the French.

>
> >
> > You create more pollution than any other country, and thake up more

> > resources than any other. Over half of your people are clinically
obese,
> > and this food could go to other countries. You have no history, and


> > resort to taking other peopel's.
>

> Because we can, and can get away with it! Of course we didn't have to
go as
> far to oppress and kill of native populations in asymetrical wars in
the
> name of the King or Queer!

be very careful here. WHO was it that wiped out native americans? that's
right! the yanks!

>
> >FOR INSTANCE:
> >
> > London Bridge. You lot thought it was Tower Bridge (the bigone) and
so
> > bought it. shipped it to America, unpacked it, realisedit it was the
> > wrong one (becuase ur thick) and then left it in a desert.
> >
>

> I've seen it, it's nice. It's a tourist draw in a small town in
Arizona.

ur funny


>
> >
> >
> > so until you are completely problem free, I suggest you dont make
fun of
> > others.
> >
>

> It's that chip on a lot of Brit's shoulders...it makes them a great
little
> target!
>
> Besides, I just can't hold a grudge against the people that came ip
with Dr.
> Who and Rowan Atkinson, and, of course, that Grail movie...

hehehe British comdey is the BEST. and Dr Who was a comedy. I mean, it
was so crap it was funny. I like DRW btw :)

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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> Which is much worse than the British program which has never
> killed any space travelers. Of course, it hasn't had any space
> travelers.

we had that Helen chick in 91 was it?

> >so until you are completely problem free, I suggest you dont make fun
of
> >others.

> Ditto for you.

I didnt start this. a yank did. I was defending the uk, which he
attacked.


Ranger Bob

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:06:28 -0000, "Weyoun the Dancing Borg"
<wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote:

>> > o Your Challenger blew up killing civilians
>>
>> Ummm....NASA is a civilian agency, OF COURSE there would be civilians!
>
>ok, bad wording. there were untrained civilians onboard.

I assume you are referring to the school teacher who was on board
(Christi MacCaullouf I think). She was not untrained. She went through
standard basic astronaut training. Not that it makes much difference
since the explosion killed everyone on board no matter what their
training level.

Ranger Bob

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:08:58 -0000, "Weyoun the Dancing Borg"
<wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote:

>> Which is much worse than the British program which has never
>> killed any space travelers. Of course, it hasn't had any space
>> travelers.
>
>we had that Helen chick in 91 was it?

You guys actually sent a chicken into space? :)

Jette Goldie

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
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> Tim Burner's Lee was Britisha nd created many of the communiocation
> standards and the first HTML laguage.
>
> And it recently came to my attention that the British invented what was
> the internet. But the British government wasnt interested. so they went
> toi america.


eh, story of our lives - the Brits do the thinking and then they
get the rich Yanks to pay for everything and do the testing
of the systems. <g>

(we wait till America has got most of the bugs out before
we bother with the new technology)(and if you want proof
watch a PAL tv broadcast compared with a NTSC one <g>)


--
Jette

jette...@thefreeinternet.co.uk
http://members.tripod.com/~bosslady/fanfic.html


Jette Goldie

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Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote
> > Kilometers...the dastardly product of an international conspiracy to
> f@#$
> > with what works.
>
> hehehe
>
> dont blame us, it's europe that invented the bloody things.


Blame the French - wasn't it Napoleon who wanted the metric
system?

Jette Goldie

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Paul George Dooley <doo...@cableinet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> > I don not understand why people cannot read one line of text that says
> > "spoilers for season 4" and then have some disability that prevents them
> > from reading the line below it. I have placed spoiler space on some of
my
> > messages when appropriate, but I will never understand why it is needed
if
> > a message notes that spoilers exist.
> >
> It has to do with the way that your eyes and brain actually work. Your
> eyes do not only take in the single line of text, but a large part of
> everything else in the field of view which is then processed by your brain

Egad, yes. Some of us read a whole page of text in one gulp!
Books take a couple of hours max to read and keeping oneself
supplied with reading material costs a bl**dy fortune!

(and yes, I have almost perfect recall too)

Paul George Dooley

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> Egad, yes. Some of us read a whole page of text in one gulp!
> Books take a couple of hours max to read and keeping oneself
> supplied with reading material costs a bl**dy fortune!
>
> (and yes, I have almost perfect recall too)
>
Since my library upped the lend limit to 20 books at once I can now go
for a few days at a time without having to go and exchange them all. I think
that some of the staff think I don't read all of them still though. My major
recall problem is my dyslexia cut down my processing speeds somewhat. :^(

Jette Goldie

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I want your library <g>

Of course the problem at MY local library is........ I've read all
the books there that are worth reading! (it has an awful lot
of *romance* and not much else)


--
Jette
boss...@scotlandmail.com
Brigadier General Bosslady, SG-6, Search and Rescue.
http://home.freeuk.com/bosslady/

chimera

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Jette Goldie <jettegold...@NOTthefreeinternet.co.uk.NOSPAM>
bombarded alt.tv.stargate-sg1 with the following:
>
>plaid lad! <plai...@mailcity.com> wrote in message
>news:1IkP5.27987$25.57...@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com...

>> uh-oh. looks like General Hammond gonna have the change the locks at
>> Stargate Command....
>
>Locks don't stop a JCB.

And don't forget the get-away speedboat in the nearby river for a quick
exit :^)

I have actually half written a story where the background history has
the British find a Stargate in 1930's Australia, and is the reason that
the Government at the time lost interest in the crumbling Empire on
Earth. SG1 meet a group of... well, I'll save it for when I eventually
write it.

--
/` |_ . _ _ ,_ _ aka Mr Kristen Steward BSc (Hons) AstPhys
\, | | | ||| (/, | /~\ chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk
"I remember the first time I had sex - I still have the reciept"
-Groucho Marx

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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I dunno. but we beat him :)

--
"I just hope that he dies alone and afraid, secure in the knowledge no
one ever really loved him. But that's it."

Chuck: talking about me.

wey...@ntlworld.com.despam


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>
> Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote
> > > Kilometers...the dastardly product of an international conspiracy
to
> > f@#$
> > > with what works.
> >
> > hehehe
> >
> > dont blame us, it's europe that invented the bloody things.
>
>
> Blame the French - wasn't it Napoleon who wanted the metric
> system?
>
>
> --
> Jette
> boss...@scotlandmail.com

> Colonel Bosslady, SG-6, Search and Rescue.
> http://home.freeuk.com/bosslady/
>
>

Weyoun the Dancing Borg

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hardy har har

it was funny actually


Helen Shaw was it?

--
"I just hope that he dies alone and afraid, secure in the knowledge no
one ever really loved him. But that's it."

Chuck: talking about me.

wey...@ntlworld.com.despam


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DeathBunny

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Eventually....


--
"It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism
while the wolf remains of a different opinion."
-W.R. Inge

"A democracy is a sheep and two wolves deciding on what to have for lunch.
Freedom is a well armed sheep contesting the results of the decision."
- Benjamin Franklin

"Run away! Run Away!"
-King Arthur, Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail

"Warfare is the Way of deception."
-Sun Tzu (as translated by Sonshi.com)

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution
inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy

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Ranger Bob

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On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:31:33 +0000, chimera
<chi...@groundspring.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>
>I have actually half written a story where the background history has
>the British find a Stargate in 1930's Australia, and is the reason that
>the Government at the time lost interest in the crumbling Empire on
>Earth. SG1 meet a group of... well, I'll save it for when I eventually
>write it.

Write it. That sounds really cool.

Ranger Bob

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On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 00:13:41 -0000, "Weyoun the Dancing Borg"
<wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote:

>hardy har har
>
>it was funny actually
>
>
>Helen Shaw was it?

I'm willing to admit I have no idea what or who you are talking about.
Can you fill me in. I'm always willing to learn something.

Mike Burke

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DeathBunny wrote:

>

Snipped some.

> > o you crashed 2 or 3 probes into mars cos u dont know what km are.
>

> Kilometers...the dastardly product of an international conspiracy to
> f@#$
> with what works.
>

> At least we kept out of the UeroDollar...

Yes. But as an American, I have to admit that we have had our share
of funny money. Take the Two-Dollar Bill and the Susan B. Anthony coin
known as the J C Penny! (J C stands for Jimmy Carter.)

>
>
> >
> > o Your people are so stupid they cant vote right. I have seen
> pictures
> > of the voting papers. IT is EASY to understand, and how anyone could
> gt
> > it muddled up is beyond me. There are arrows leading from the name
> of
> > the person to the box that you tick, and they never go near each
> other
> > or cross. Guess you yanks are just stupid.
>
> No, just the Democrats. They designed it, they couldn't seem to
> follow the
> instructions, they'll hopefully stay self-disenfranchised.

An election official from that county had been quoted in a few news
reports as saying that that ballot layout had been pushed as a way to
make the ballot easier for the older voters in that district to read it.
I wish that the press would follow up on that and try to determine who
it was that proposed it.

Also. It is true that the "Butterfly Ballot" has been used in cities
in other states. But what is not being said is that what is wrong with
this ballot is that the candidates for one office are placed on both
sides of the center line. In all other instances of the "Butterfly
Ballot" that I know of, all of the candidates for an office, or the
Yes/No notations for each issue are not split between the pages.

I can't help it. This smells like dirty politics to me and I think it
would be a stain upon the Office of the Presidency if a candidate were
to be certified as the winner when the margin of victory is less than
the number tainted votes that can be identified.


I've snipped the rest.

Mike


Citizen G'Kar

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Steve Christianson <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote

>
>
> Naah, they'd just whine to us Americans and we'd have to lend them one.
>
> I can see the Brits using a Stargate:
>
> (1) Petrol strike would shut down power supply to the gate
> (2) Gate would sink under water during flooding
> (3) Squiffed fan girls would use it to travel to RDA's house with their
> bottles of Cava
> (4) Travel through the Universe would be done on the left (i.e., wrong)
> side of the worm hole.

The real problem is that cowardly PMs would hand over total control of it
to the French and Germans, who would ban British Naqada while at the same
time spreading embryo Goa'uld around the place...

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DeathBunny

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I LOVE $2 bills. I tend to get as many as I can around Christmas and then
buy stuff with them. It is SO funny to watch a 17-year-old cashier first
ask "Is this real?" and then have to call a manager over to ask where to put
them!!!

I once paid my electric bill with some, about 60 of them. For some
unexplained reason, the cashier just couldn't manage to count by twos....

On the voters...

I hope people don't have two much of a problem with this election if Bush
wins. The Electoral votes are determined by the States and although it
determines a federal election, are a state problem. Also, these 19,000 or
so people disenfranchised themselves by a) not following instructions and b)
not being wise enough to ask for help. There's only so far a government
should "hold people's hands" and at some point (and ultimately) it is that
person's individual responsibility....

ephian

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Mike Burke wrote:
> DeathBunny wrote:
<snips more>

> > No, just the Democrats. They designed it, they couldn't seem to
> > follow the
> > instructions, they'll hopefully stay self-disenfranchised.
>
> An election official from that county had been quoted in a few news
> reports as saying that that ballot layout had been pushed as a way to
> make the ballot easier for the older voters in that district to read it.
> I wish that the press would follow up on that and try to determine who
> it was that proposed it.
>
> Also. It is true that the "Butterfly Ballot" has been used in cities
> in other states. But what is not being said is that what is wrong with
> this ballot is that the candidates for one office are placed on both
> sides of the center line. In all other instances of the "Butterfly
> Ballot" that I know of, all of the candidates for an office, or the
> Yes/No notations for each issue are not split between the pages.

The woman who "approved" the ballot, before it was sent out for party
approvals, admitted in one interview that "we" designed it. I assume that
means her and her staff. She's a democrat. She said the whole reason for
doing what they did was to help the elderly and she seemed truly distressed
at the uproar.

Several news reports mentioned the 22,000 double-punched ballots that were
thrown out in one of those northeastern Florida republican counties, where
presidential choices were listed on only one side of the booklet, but on two
consecutive pages since there were too many for one page. So the stupid
ballot arrangements have hit both sides of the election.

ephian

ephian

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Steve Christianson wrote:

> DeathBunny wrote:
> >
> > I hope people don't have two much of a problem with this election if
Bush
> > wins. The Electoral votes are determined by the States and although it
> > determines a federal election, are a state problem. Also, these 19,000
or
> > so people disenfranchised themselves by a) not following instructions
and b)
> > not being wise enough to ask for help. There's only so far a government
> > should "hold people's hands" and at some point (and ultimately) it is
that
> > person's individual responsibility....
>
>
> These were old people, give them a break.

I think we're learning how many people vote incorrectly. There were the
22,000 double punched ballots in northeastern Florida (predominantly
Republican county, or so the news reports say) due to the choices of
candidates being listed on two consecutive pages. Don't know if these were
elderly people or not. The same proportion percentage-wise of the ballots in
Cook County were thrown out as in Palm Beach. I guess this happens all over.
Wonder if with other voting systems (non punch cards) this might be better
avoided.

ephian

Lisa

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Nov 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/14/00
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ephia wrote

>
> I think we're learning how many people vote incorrectly. There were the
> 22,000 double punched ballots in northeastern Florida (predominantly
> Republican county, or so the news reports say) due to the choices of
> candidates being listed on two consecutive pages. Don't know if these were
> elderly people or not. The same proportion percentage-wise of the ballots
in
> Cook County were thrown out as in Palm Beach. I guess this happens all
over.
> Wonder if with other voting systems (non punch cards) this might be better
> avoided.


Why was it necessary to have holes? Over here, IIRC, you just put a big
cross in the box next to the name of the person you vote for, seems pretty
simple to us <g>.

Lisa

Jette Goldie

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Steve Christianson <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3A116B...@yahoo.com...
> X-No-Archive: yes
> Because you Brits are simple people. <g> It's because it's a computer
> card, the machine can't read the X you scrawled with Chloe's purple
> crayon.
>
> :-)

Nice black marker pen and computers read written Xs all the time
- that's how the bank vets your loan application, etc.

I work in the Land Registry. Agents (usually lawyers - but
like your Real Estate folks) send in their hand or typewritten
form to go with the deed and our scanner reads the info
by checking if there is a mark in each appropriate box. If
the hand writing is clear or the typewriter/w-processer
is using the right font we can scan the info direct into the
computer systems. If it is not, it will come up with a few
errors and we'll have to manually correct the database -
if we can do this, why can't a computer count Xs in
a box so long as they are correctly lined up in the box
and in a suitable ink? And it takes very little software
for the computer doing the counting to throw questionable
forms (pen mark goes over the lines of the box, wrong
ink used so it doesn't show up properly) to one side for
humans to check and count.


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Jette Goldie

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Citizen G'Kar <Na...@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:01c04e2b$cd5da300$163e893e@default...

>
>
> Steve Christianson <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >
> >
> > Naah, they'd just whine to us Americans and we'd have to lend them one.
> >
> > I can see the Brits using a Stargate:
> >
> > (1) Petrol strike would shut down power supply to the gate
> > (2) Gate would sink under water during flooding
> > (3) Squiffed fan girls would use it to travel to RDA's house with their
> > bottles of Cava
> > (4) Travel through the Universe would be done on the left (i.e., wrong)
> > side of the worm hole.
>
> The real problem is that cowardly PMs would hand over total control of it
> to the French and Germans, who would ban British Naqada while at the same
> time spreading embryo Goa'uld around the place...


PMs? We only get one Prime Minister at a time (the Scottish one
is called the First Minister - FM)

or did you mean MPs? (members of parliament)

or MSPs (Member of the Scottish Parliament)

or MEP (Member of the European Parliament)

ephian

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Jette Goldie wrote:
>
<snip>

> I work in the Land Registry. Agents (usually lawyers - but
> like your Real Estate folks) send in their hand or typewritten
> form to go with the deed and our scanner reads the info
> by checking if there is a mark in each appropriate box. If
> the hand writing is clear or the typewriter/w-processer
> is using the right font we can scan the info direct into the
> computer systems. If it is not, it will come up with a few
> errors and we'll have to manually correct the database -
> if we can do this, why can't a computer count Xs in
> a box so long as they are correctly lined up in the box
> and in a suitable ink? And it takes very little software
> for the computer doing the counting to throw questionable
> forms (pen mark goes over the lines of the box, wrong
> ink used so it doesn't show up properly) to one side for
> humans to check and count.

A lot of counties in many states have gone to this optical computer
counting. Sometimes it involves filling in a line, and the correct pen is
supplied for the voters. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than these silly
punch cards, if the punch cards are that problematical.

Now this says nothing about the people who can't follow instructions. I
heard one man interviewed in Palm Beach (he had voted in many elections, so
he wasn't new to the process) who said the ballot was unclear because he
thought he had to vote for both president and vice president separately.
For those in UK, you vote for the pair - always - one vote.

ephian

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