SERENITY/FIREFLY FAQ
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P. Burrows
atlasbug...@gmail.com says...
> <http://snipurl.com/k8ui> "One page, all you need to know, extensive links."
Hey kid, stop spamming.
Mark Nobles
>
> Hey kid, stop spamming.
Great, another moron who can't figure out how to operate a killfile.
<plonk>
P. Burrows
nos...@houston.rr.com says...
> P. Burrows <he_h@privacy_Starfleet.net> said:
> >
> > Hey kid, stop spamming.
>
> Great, another moron who can't figure out how to operate a killfile.
Only because you are not too intelligent yourself would you think that.
Atlasbugged
news:MPG.1ead9a878...@news.usenetserver.com...
Not only can't you manage your killfile, you little moron, you rotate your
address so that no one else can killfile you.
Who would you like to be today? Mr. <he_h@privacy_Starfleet.net> from your
last post? Or perhaps Mr. <me...@ilprivacy.06>, as you chose to be in this
post? Or maybe Mr. <OOh-me_@privacy_Starfleet.net> whom I futilely tried to
killfile months ago.
Ahh! Surprise! Google turns up others. And posting under other names?
What are the odds?
I know there are more sophisticated methods for killfiling jerkoffs like you
(the news reader has to get into the path data,) but I have to get up to
speed on them. Until then, it looks like most of us will have to suffer
you.
The Central Scrutinizer
Like people have to suffer Serenity posts in a BSG group, for example?
Same one each time as well, hm? Not a whole lot of variety happenin' in
the Firefly world these days?
You do realize, I presume, that if I wanted Firefly info, I'd find a
Firefly group? I don't need it forced on me in groups that have nothing
to do with the subject matter.
Bob
<bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>You do realize, I presume, that if I wanted Firefly info, I'd find a
>Firefly group? I don't need it forced on me in groups that have nothing
>to do with the subject matter.
You do realize, I presume, that if I wanted your posts, I'd find a
group with your name on it? I don't need your bullshit forced on me in
groups that have nothing to do with you.
Since it is obvious you do not accept the nature of Usenet, why don't
you join some AOL forums and leave us alone.
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The Central Scrutinizer
Go on - what's the nature of Usenet that I don't accept, then? *yawn*.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>
>>Since it is obvious you do not accept the nature of Usenet
>
> Go on - what's the nature of Usenet that I don't accept, then? *yawn*.
with different names for different topics so thinks it's ok to
crosspost/spam his opinions anywhere he feels like no-matter the topic.
Or something.
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The Central Scrutinizer
I expect 'Or something' is closer to the truth. Ah, well... I don't
expect to change anyone's behavior - I just found it ironic that he
talked about forcing people to "suffer" them when he himself continues
his boring cross-posting that I'm sure no one reads anymore anyway.
Gotta have a hobby though, hm? Least he's not trolling.
Bob
<bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>Since it is obvious you do not accept the nature of Usenet
>Go on - what's the nature of Usenet that I don't accept, then? *yawn*.
That it is a completely open forum.
Bob
<bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You still don't get it.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>
> On 21 Apr 2006 12:07:26 -0700, "The Central Scrutinizer"
> <bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Since it is obvious you do not accept the nature of Usenet
>
>>Go on - what's the nature of Usenet that I don't accept, then? *yawn*.
>
> That it is a completely open forum.
Then why does it have a title? why alt.tv.stargate-sg1 if you're free to
talk about anything?
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The Central Scrutinizer
WRONGO!!
It's a free world, that much is true - and there's no way of stopping a
person from posting anything they want in an unmoderated forum -
obviously. But why do you think specific newsgroups exist in the first
place? Can I strike up a discussion about euthanasia in here? AIDS
research? Vacation spots in the Med? Newsgroups are made to allow for a
'container' for specific topics of discussion. The name of the topic is
indicated by the name of the group. This is alt.battlestar-galactica,
not alt.serenity, not alt.firefly.
Sure, I can post whatever I want in here. It's a free world. But the
newsgroups are named with specific topic names because there is an
expectation that discussions held therein will pertain to that topic.
AIDS research ain't BSG, and neither is Firefly or Serenity. It's
_closer_, as it's a sci-fi TV show, but it really does not belong here.
It belongs in a Firefly or Serenity group.
Usenet Protocol - not the law, just common courtesy.
BD
CatPanDaddy
"The Central Scrutinizer" <bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145655178.5...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
I'd like to make one modification to the above... the rules are more strictly
observed in the non-alt groups, and the alt groups themselves tend to take on
the common practices of their userbases. I am in a few alt.music groups, one of
which is always on topic, the other half and half, and the third group is simply
a bunch of people who have the subject of the group in common, who have become
friends over the years and just talk about whatever, like a big old backfence
for people with that particular interest in common... a running joke is that the
term OT in that group is a special notice that the message is actually ON topic!
I like that particular group the best, it reminds me of the old hobby-run
bulletin boards before the Internet became mainstream.
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Atlas Bugged
> >That it is a completely open forum.
"The Central Scrutinizer" <bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1145655178.5...@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> WRONGO!!
Why do I do this to myself? This is undoubtedly some jerk I've already
killfiled and ignored ten times. Oh, well, I have a free moment, and I'm
bored....
>
> It's a free world, that much is true - and there's no way of stopping a
> person from posting anything they want in an unmoderated forum -
> obviously.
Killfiles work fine unless the person KF'ed is a rude, ignorant, juvenile
prick. If you and I don't end our exchanges shortly, we'll quickly find out
if you're in that group.
They're pretty easy to use, too. If you want help in how to use one, just
post your question, hell, even *I'll* help you figure out how to killfile
*me.*
>But why do you think specific newsgroups exist in the first
> place?
To foster discussion of their topics. Now, I don't see that you are
discussing the topics listed above at all. You seem to be talking about
Usenet, courtesy, procedures, etc.
So it looks like YOU are off topic (and now, me.) Did you add "OT" to your
header? No. Did you add [META] to your header? No.
I only know of such courtesies because I look into it, instead of shooting
off ignorantly. The people who actually know stuff about Usenet, and
courtesy, are experts, and produce simple guides. Try one.
http://snipurl.com/k5nf
http://snipurl.com/k5nl
>Can I strike up a discussion about euthanasia in here? AIDS
> research? Vacation spots in the Med? Newsgroups are made to allow for a
> 'container' for specific topics of discussion. The name of the topic is
> indicated by the name of the group. This is alt.battlestar-galactica,
> not alt.serenity, not alt.firefly.
That's right. I don't see anything about any of them in your post. Just an
ignorant rant about Usenet.
>
> Sure, I can post whatever I want in here. It's a free world. But the
> newsgroups are named with specific topic names because there is an
> expectation that discussions held therein will pertain to that topic.
And you've said what about those topics in your post?
> AIDS research ain't BSG, and neither is Firefly or Serenity. It's
> _closer_, as it's a sci-fi TV show, but it really does not belong here.
> It belongs in a Firefly or Serenity group.
Please identify the "Serenity" group for me, you idiot.
Suppose I showed you a picture of a Firefly ship in an episode of BSG? If I
could do that, would you STFU?
>
> Usenet Protocol - not the law, just common courtesy.
Sure, but you first need to not be ignorant. That's a prerequisite, sorry.
Now, we'll probably KF each other, now, or shortly, so here's the deal: If
you see me anymore, it means you still haven't figured out even basic Usenet
procedures. If I see you anymore, it means you're that degenerate juvenile
punk I referred to above. Clear?
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> So it looks like YOU are off topic (and now, me.) Did you add "OT" to your
> header? No. Did you add [META] to your header? No.
Considering the thread started off topic in the first place, changing the
header seemed pointless, to tell you the truth.
"Serenity/firefly" is in itself [OT] in all but one of the crossposted
groups.
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The Central Scrutinizer
Crystal. You're my hero.
The Central Scrutinizer
Thank you for noticing that one - you're quicker than I'd thought. Or
to phrase it differently... *you could always _start_ one*, and then
your FAQ would be bang on-topic each time! Woo-Hoo!!
>Suppose I showed you a picture of a Firefly ship in an episode of BSG?
Seen it. I've also seen copies of Reader's Digest Condensed Books on
the show... and Hummers and Citroens! So if I get a Citroen, can I post
mechanical questions about it in here? Or discuss Reader's Digest
articles? I mean, it was in the show, so it MUST be on topic for a
group about the show, right?
>degenerate juvenile punk
*yawn* Ad-homs, oh greeeeat - the last recourse the distinctly
UN-inventive. Bring it. ;)
The Central Scrutinizer
Fair point. If Atlas were to preface his posts with a nice little 'OT'
each time, at least he'd be acknowledging that strictly speaking, he's
not on track with the groups he's posting to.
Ah well. I'm not a group-cop - I just couldn't help speaking out at his
little hypocrisy earlier in the thread. Iit seems I have somehow struck
a nerve, though, as now I'm apparently a degenerate juvenile punk.
Gotta put that one in my diary.
Atlas Bugged
>> So it looks like YOU are off topic (and now, me.) Did you add "OT" to
>> your
>> header? No. Did you add [META] to your header? No.
<spi...@freenet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:b75oh3-...@ridcully.fsnet.co.uk...> >Considering the thread started
off topic in the first place, changing the
> header seemed pointless, to tell you the truth.
> "Serenity/firefly" is in itself [OT] in all but one of the crossposted
> groups.
If we asumed you were right - and you are not - can you use a killfile?
Sure you can.
Should a Usenet participant generally either know how to use one or not
complain about a consistent post, just a link, they don't like? Whaddaya
think?
One more thing: Anyone involved in this discussion either has a true agenda
against me personally (because there's endless other truely and indisputably
off-topic posts to which they never respond) OR they want to discuss the
matter of Usenet protocol here - and that is most certainly off-topic in all
of these groups, no question.
And if the point is to not clutter the NG with off-topic, who's the perp on
that? I do one post, weekly, a link, and a request that no one respond.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> Sure you can.
Why would I want to?
And in what way is serenity/firefly ON topic in any but one of the
crossposted threads? (or to put it another way, in what way am I NOT right?)
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The Other Eric
The Central Scrutinizer wrote:
<snip>
> I just found it ironic that he
> talked about forcing people to "suffer" them when he himself continues
> his boring cross-posting that I'm sure no one reads anymore anyway.
After seeing him cross post it dozens of times I finally decided that I
would read his FAQ after all and boy am I glad I did. I found it to be
quite helpful. Now I *know* that I never want to rent that movie. It
saved me two bucks. Thanks AB!!!
Regards,
-Eric
DaffyDuck
> And in what way is serenity/firefly ON topic in any but one of the
> crossposted threads? (or to put it another way, in what way am I NOT right?)
Welcome to my killfile - at least I don't have to suffer your crap
anymore. I advise everyone else to follow suit.
Sometimes, agressive pruning is needed for sanity to return.
Atlas Bugged
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> After seeing him cross post it dozens of times I finally decided that I
> would read his FAQ after all and boy am I glad I did. I found it to be
> quite helpful. Now I *know* that I never want to rent that movie. It
> saved me two bucks. Thanks AB!!!
My pleasure, but, as usual, I'm not sure what you're talking about. There's
much more detail on the film here,which I mention in an attempt to change
your mind. If you dug FIREFLY, I think the film did qualify as more good
stuff.
http://snipurl.com/krwl
I also see you've nymshifted so even though I killfiled you, you're back.
But you don't rotate often, so I suppose you're OK. I'll just killfile you
with your new address.
But please continue your practice of nymshifting infrequently. I do realize
that there are various valid reasons why a person has to change from time to
time.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
Whatever floats his boat I suppose.
I don't see how anything I said was objectionable simply stating the truth
about how newsgroups are supposed to work. (No point addressing him in
person seeing as he's seen fit to killfile me for no readily apparent
reason)
Atlas Bugged
>> Sure you can.
>
> Why would I want to?
I have no idea. The weekly link-post pains you somehow? You see yourself
as a defender of protocols to help others? I have no idea why it concerns
you at all.
> And in what way is serenity/firefly ON topic in any but one of the
> crossposted threads? (or to put it another way, in what way am I NOT
> right?)
Explained it all to various trolls long ago, so I just link new questioners
to those posts. The insults therein were directed at them, not you, so skip
them and just read about the merits if you want to even bother.
Remember, you're expending your time and energy on a simple link I post
weekly to a single-digit number of sci-fi groups. Most are obviously
on-topic, a couple might need explanation. Here's the links:
http://snipurl.com/k4dl
http://snipurl.com/k5pw
The Other Eric
Atlas Bugged wrote:
<snip>
> I also see you've nymshifted
Yes every time I change my ISP or buy a new computer I have to re-enter
my handle. I guess I spelled it slightly differently last time. Then
again once in a while my news reader will drop it altogether for no
apparent reason leaving just the e-mail address. Of course I also
changed my handle shortly after I started posting to this group since
there were too many people going by just "Eric".
> . . . so even though I killfiled you, you're back.
> But you don't rotate often, so I suppose you're OK. I'll just killfile you
> with your new address.
There is no need to tell me that. If you don't want a conversation you
don't need to reply at all.
> But please continue your practice of nymshifting infrequently. I do realize
> that there are various valid reasons why a person has to change from time to
> time.
Then why make it sound like an accusation? Oh I know you don't want to
hear from me and you probably can't even see this. Very well.
Regards anyway,
-Eric
" . . . I'm a Cylon and I've never seen you at any of the meetings."
The Other Eric
<snip>
> /me shrugs
> Whatever floats his boat I suppose.
> I don't see how anything I said was objectionable simply stating the truth
> about how newsgroups are supposed to work. (No point addressing him in
> person seeing as he's seen fit to killfile me for no readily apparent
> reason)
Some people just don't want to hear ideas that are different from their
own. I'm sure I quickly wind up on such lists. What I am not use to
is the alt.BSG practice of threatening to KF anyone who *replies* to
someone that has been KFed. That just strikes me as weird.
Regards,
-Eric
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>
>> Atlas Bugged <atlasbug...@gmail.com> did eloquently scribble:
>>> If we assumed you were right - and you are not - can you use a killfile?
>>> Sure you can.
>>
>> Why would I want to?
>
> I have no idea. The weekly link-post pains you somehow? You see yourself
> as a defender of protocols to help others? I have no idea why it concerns
> you at all.
Actually, no.
I just noticed this thread was getting rather long and decided to poke my
nose in to see what was going on, and as people were arguing with you about
posting off topic shit into unrelated newsgroups, I thought I'd share my two
penneth's worth.
I've always ignored the serenity/firefly faq posts before now cos they are
off topic, but you arguing with people from 5 different newsgroups that it's
ok to post to them about anything you like just got on my nerves.
Might I recommend news.announce.newusers
It seems you need a refresher course on what usenet is and what's
acceptable.
>> And in what way is serenity/firefly ON topic in any but one of the
>> crossposted threads? (or to put it another way, in what way am I NOT
>> right?)
>
> Explained it all to various trolls long ago, so I just link new questioners
> to those posts. The insults therein were directed at them, not you, so skip
> them and just read about the merits if you want to even bother.
Try explaining it to me in a non-insulting manner because all I see in those
posts is you being stubborn and refusing to admit when you're wrong, and
then using one person's complaint against you as an excuse to blame the
enter population of (then 3) newsgroups on it giving you the faux
justification to be even more irritating by posting the entire article
rather than just a link.
That seems to be your problem.
You seem incapable of bowing to people's experience and admitting when
you're wrong. You have an eric cartman "I'll do what I want" "respect mah
authoratah!" attitude and it's just childish.
All it would take is a simple addition to the subject line and a less
frequent posting, once a month is enough for a FAQ posting.
(is it REALLY too much trouble to put the [OT] in the subject line people
have attacked others in this thread for, for posting to this thread without
CHANGING the subject line?
> Remember, you're expending your time and energy on a simple link I post
> weekly to a single-digit number of sci-fi groups.
Not as much time as you. How much time are you expending on arguing the toss
about something you know you're in the wrong about?
You may attempt to deny it, but the newsgroups ARE off topic to firefly
stuff. Is there a firefly newsgroup?
How about posting the link to a buffy/angel newsgroup?
After all, it is at least related to them in a few ways, whereas there is NO
link to BSG or stargate. (Joss Wheadon/Caleb?/Jasmin)
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DaffyDuck
> What I am not use to
> is the alt.BSG practice of threatening to KF anyone who *replies* to
> someone that has been KFed. That just strikes me as weird.
If the idea is to render another person impossible to disrupt the
group, those responding to that person, and continuing to keep the
content alive by quoting it are countering the whole purpose of the
initial killfile - thus, it's necessary to killfile those folks as
well, if they don't realize what they are doing.
Anyway, for myself, I care little to read what those responding to
trolls have to say, if they fail to realize how to properly treat
trolls.
Good bye.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> trolls have to say, if they fail to realize how to properly treat
> trolls.
So now he's calling me a troll because I had the audacity to have a
differing opinion to him?
Very interesting....
Wonder what Freud would've had to say about this.
Bob
>> That it is a completely open forum.
>Then why does it have a title? why alt.tv.stargate-sg1 if you're free to
>talk about anything?
To gather people of like mind.
You don't want to talk to random strangers, do you?
Bob
<bobby...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>That it is a completely open forum.
>
>WRONGO!!
>
>It's a free world, that much is true - and there's no way of stopping a
>person from posting anything they want in an unmoderated forum -
>obviously. But why do you think specific newsgroups exist in the first
>place? Can I strike up a discussion about euthanasia in here? AIDS
>research? Vacation spots in the Med? Newsgroups are made to allow for a
>'container' for specific topics of discussion. The name of the topic is
>indicated by the name of the group. This is alt.battlestar-galactica,
>not alt.serenity, not alt.firefly.
You are overlooking the most important aspect of Usenet.
If someone starts an offtopic thread, then its legitimacy is
determined by the people who support it. If the forum participants do
not want to discuss vacations in the Med, then they will not
participate in that thread, and it will immediately die.
I will prove that very point by posting 3 completely off topic
threads, based on the items you provide above. Look for:
Euthenasia
AIDS Research
Vacation Spots in the Med
Let's see how far each one goes.
Bob
<atlasbug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>They're pretty easy to use, too. If you want help in how to use one, just
>post your question, hell, even *I'll* help you figure out how to killfile
>*me.*
The older (and therefore less bloated) version of Free Agent, which I
have been using for nearly a decade, does not support killfiles.
But I do not want to killfile anyone. I am not intimidated by idiots.
In fact I derive entertainment from reading their nonsense and
commenting on it. I would miss all that if I could killfile them.
>Please identify the "Serenity" group for me, you idiot.
Hell, I can't even get the Firefly group and I am on AOL Time Warner
Road Runner. I rely on this forum for discussion of FF.
>Suppose I showed you a picture of a Firefly ship in an episode of BSG? If I
>could do that, would you STFU?
I wish someone would clip that shot and post it.
I went back to that scene (the one with Roslin and the physician on
Caprica) and looked frame by frame for Serenity to fly by but I could
not make it out. Maybe the resolution was too poor on my video file.
Robert J. Kolker
>
>
> Hell, I can't even get the Firefly group and I am on AOL Time Warner
> Road Runner. I rely on this forum for discussion of FF.
Use Google Groups. It is free.
Bob Kolker
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>>> That it is a completely open forum.
>
>>Then why does it have a title? why alt.tv.stargate-sg1 if you're free to
>>talk about anything?
>
> To gather people of like mind.
>
> You don't want to talk to random strangers, do you?
What do you think a newsgroup is if it's not a gathering of random
strangers?
The only thing that connects them is the subject of the group. And some
newsgroups obviously have stricter limits on topicality than others.
Different groups, different rules, so crossposting and then complaining when
someone tells you not to is just childish and rude.
Bob
<daff...@spammersdie.mac.dot.com> wrote:
>Anyway, for myself, I care little to read what those responding to
>trolls have to say, if they fail to realize how to properly treat
>trolls.
>Good bye.
Good riddance.
Bob
>> Anyway, for myself, I care little to read what those responding to
>> trolls have to say, if they fail to realize how to properly treat
>> trolls.
>So now he's calling me a troll because I had the audacity to have a
>differing opinion to him?
>Very interesting....
>Wonder what Freud would've had to say about this.
Freud wouldn't bother with someone as superficial as this lunatic.
Bob
>>>Then why does it have a title? why alt.tv.stargate-sg1 if you're free to
>>>talk about anything?
>> To gather people of like mind.
>> You don't want to talk to random strangers, do you?
>What do you think a newsgroup is if it's not a gathering of random
>strangers?
That's just it - they are not random strangers. They are indeed
strangers at first, but they are connected by a common interest in the
subject header which means their presence is not random.
>The only thing that connects them is the subject of the group.
That's enough to guarantee they are not random strangers.
Despite the fact that we have gone way off charter many times, the
participation has been good because the matters discussed were of
common interest to people who watch BSG. If the subject header were
"Underwater Basketweaving" I seriously doubt that topics such as
existential metaphysics would go very far. But because BSG is an
existential drama, people who thing about such matters as ontology
find the topic interesting enough to participate - which is why the
threads persist for as long as they do.
>And some
>newsgroups obviously have stricter limits on topicality than others.
>Different groups, different rules, so crossposting and then complaining when
>someone tells you not to is just childish and rude.
Crossposting is one thing, going OT on a single group is another. I
agree that random crossposting is not a good thing in general.
Bob
I have become so accustomed to FA that I am set in my ways. And even
if I could killfile, I would not do it.
"There is much to be said in favour of Usenet. By giving us the
opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of
the community."
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea --
massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a
source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect
it."
Atlas Bugged
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> The older (and therefore less bloated) version of Free Agent, which I
> have been using for nearly a decade, does not support killfiles.
>
> But I do not want to killfile anyone. I am not intimidated by idiots.
> In fact I derive entertainment from reading their nonsense and
> commenting on it. I would miss all that if I could killfile them.
Even if you feel that way, it's impossible to survive some groups without a
killfile function. One of my favorite groups was recently flooded with
thousands of the same post. You need to be able to clean a mess like that
up quickly.
>
>>Please identify the "Serenity" group for me, you idiot.
>
> Hell, I can't even get the Firefly group and I am on AOL Time Warner
> Road Runner. I rely on this forum for discussion of FF.
>
>>Suppose I showed you a picture of a Firefly ship in an episode of BSG? If
>>I
>>could do that, would you STFU?
>
> I wish someone would clip that shot and post it.
It is clipped and posted but I keep forgetting and losing the link. When I
find it again I'll put the link up for you.
>
> I went back to that scene (the one with Roslin and the physician on
> Caprica) and looked frame by frame for Serenity to fly by but I could
> not make it out. Maybe the resolution was too poor on my video file.
It's there alright.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> <now...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>>> Hell, I can't even get the Firefly group and I am on AOL Time Warner
>>> Road Runner. I rely on this forum for discussion of FF.
>
>>Use Google Groups. It is free.
>
> I have become so accustomed to FA that I am set in my ways. And even
> if I could killfile, I would not do it.
It's a shame you're bound to uncle bill's abomination.
There seems to be a somewhat limited number of good newsreaders for windows.
There're quite a few free ones with good capabilities in linux. Pan,
slrn, tin...
> "There is much to be said in favour of Usenet. By giving us the
> opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of
> the community."
>
> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea --
> massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a
> source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect
> it."
Depends which newsgroups, some have more incontinent elephants than others.
:)
spi...@freenet.co.uk
> killfile function. One of my favorite groups was recently flooded with
> thousands of the same post. You need to be able to clean a mess like that
> up quickly.
Ah, same thing happened in one of the linux groups.
One of the few times I've bothered killfiling someone.
One of the others is flipper mike in this newsgroup cos he's such an
inconceivably irritating &#%* (a.t.sg-sg1)
Bob
<atlasbug...@gmail.com> wrote:
>it's impossible to survive some groups without a
>killfile function.
I have been doing it on a full time basis for the last 10 years.
One of my favorite groups was recently flooded with
>thousands of the same post. You need to be able to clean a mess like that
>up quickly.
I use the DEL button plus the Windows' enumerators (CTRL-A, CTRL-C,
etc).
Free Agent sorts in thread order which makes it easy to zap a large
amount of crap quickly.
>It is clipped and posted but I keep forgetting and losing the link. When I
>find it again I'll put the link up for you.
Gracias.
I take it you have seen my clip of Serenity and the Reavers dogfight
that I posted to YouSendIt a while back. I watch that clip often, it
is so cool watching those two hogs barrel along like that, pouring
smoke out the engines as though they were burning coal.
>> I went back to that scene (the one with Roslin and the physician on
>> Caprica) and looked frame by frame for Serenity to fly by but I could
>> not make it out. Maybe the resolution was too poor on my video file.
>It's there alright.
I tried to find it but was unable to.
Bob
>> I have become so accustomed to FA that I am set in my ways. And even
>> if I could killfile, I would not do it.
>It's a shame you're bound to uncle bill's abomination.
Free Agent is not Unka Bill's at least when I got it.
FYI, at the time FA and it's fully-featured paid version Agent were
considered the best newsreaders available.
>There seems to be a somewhat limited number of good newsreaders for windows.
Agent has all the bells and whistles. But I don't need all that bloat.
>> "There is much to be said in favour of Usenet. By giving us the
>> opinions of the uneducated, it keeps us in touch with the ignorance of
>> the community."
>> "Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea --
>> massive, difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a
>> source of mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect
>> it."
>Depends which newsgroups, some have more incontinent elephants than others.
Those populated by educated people tend to be civilized.
Bob
>Ah, same thing happened in one of the linux groups.
>One of the few times I've bothered killfiling someone.
>One of the others is flipper mike in this newsgroup cos he's such an
>inconceivably irritating &#%* (a.t.sg-sg1)
But so am I, yet you have not killfiled me.
What does he have that I don't have? I'm getting envious.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>>> I have become so accustomed to FA that I am set in my ways. And even
>>> if I could killfile, I would not do it.
>
>>It's a shame you're bound to uncle bill's abomination.
>
> Free Agent is not Unka Bill's at least when I got it.
>
> FYI, at the time FA and it's fully-featured paid version Agent were
> considered the best newsreaders available.
For windows, yes.
But for linux, I very much doubt Agent beats the good linux clients.
It might equal them, but I doubt it'll beat em.
>>There seems to be a somewhat limited number of good newsreaders for windows.
>
> Agent has all the bells and whistles. But I don't need all that bloat.
You don't get all that bloat with most of the linux ones either...
Many linux clients don't even use GUI. (no need for usenet)
>>Depends which newsgroups, some have more incontinent elephants than others.
>
> Those populated by educated people tend to be civilized.
Sometimes, yes :)
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>
>>Ah, same thing happened in one of the linux groups.
>>One of the few times I've bothered killfiling someone.
>>One of the others is flipper mike in this newsgroup cos he's such an
>>inconceivably irritating &#%* (a.t.sg-sg1)
>
> But so am I, yet you have not killfiled me.
>
> What does he have that I don't have? I'm getting envious.
The only things he ever posts are insults against a few select members of
the group who chose to be hostile to his insults against one member (Eva)...
Since then he turned into a complete anglophobe. Every single thing he posts
either mentions "pussyfart eva" or something stupid about limeys.
I think he's jealous because we've got the longest ever running sci fi
series in the world which in its latest incarnation has been better than
almost anything america could come up with.
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Bob
>But for linux, I very much doubt Agent beats the good linux clients.
>It might equal them, but I doubt it'll beat em.
The thing that bothers me about UNIX is that if it were so great, why
hasn't it taken over?
Obviously there is something about Windows that keeps it in the
forefront.
Novelle bought S5R4 from Bell Labs in the 1990 era. Noorda had a
perfect opportunity to push UNIX onto the desktop. Unka Bill ran
scared because NT4 was not deliverable, so he had to wedge that virus
called Win95 into the market.
Why didn't Novelle beat the crap out of MS when it had the chance? Why
buy UNIX if all that will happen in the end is you sell it?
The answer is obvious - MS has a huge Installed Base. And MS earned
that because they were the first on the block. Like it or not, UNIX
does not nor will it ever have the kind of Installed Base that Windows
has.
Linux evangelism is misplaced in the real world.
Bob
>> What does he have that I don't have? I'm getting envious.
>The only things he ever posts are insults against a few select members of
>the group who chose to be hostile to his insults against one member (Eva)...
That sounds exactly like Daffy and his sock puppets.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>>But for linux, I very much doubt Agent beats the good linux clients.
>>It might equal them, but I doubt it'll beat em.
>
> The thing that bothers me about UNIX is that if it were so great, why
> hasn't it taken over?
Microsoft's monopoly. Forcing their windows onto almost every PC built.
Linux is gaining ground now, 'specially now vista's been delayed again and
has such stupid minimum requirements.
Unix was too expensive and required specialist hardware.
(normally)
> Obviously there is something about Windows that keeps it in the
> forefront.
Yeah, microsoft's billions, and their abuse of power coupled with the
general ignorance of the populace who see PC and windows as the same thing.
> Novelle bought S5R4 from Bell Labs in the 1990 era. Noorda had a
> perfect opportunity to push UNIX onto the desktop. Unka Bill ran
> scared because NT4 was not deliverable, so he had to wedge that virus
> called Win95 into the market.
Unix was always a server OS first.
> The answer is obvious - MS has a huge Installed Base. And MS earned
> that because they were the first on the block.
They didn't earn it, they were handed it on a platter by IBM when they
signed up DOS as the PC's OS, but didn't make it exclusive to IBM in the
contracts.
If they had, microsoft would've been handcuffed to IBM and wouldn't've been
able to supply DOS to the PC cloners.
> Like it or not, UNIX does not nor will it ever have the kind of Installed
> Base that Windows has.
Linux != unix.
> Linux evangelism is misplaced in the real world.
Yes, it does.
Although I hate the word evangelism... It's an OS, not a religion.
People who refer to evangelism in reference to operating systems are
incredibly stupid... That goes for microsoft too, for they have "windows
evangelists" on their payroll (and yes, that is the actual job title)
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>
>>> What does he have that I don't have? I'm getting envious.
>
>>The only things he ever posts are insults against a few select members of
>>the group who chose to be hostile to his insults against one member (Eva)...
>
> That sounds exactly like Daffy and his sock puppets.
Could well be the same person, flipper uses a bunch of sockpuppets too...
And as no-one with sense talks to him, he usually ends up having
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Eva
news:1145662925.8...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >Serenity/firefly" is in itself [OT] in all but one of the crossposted
groups.
>
> Fair point. If Atlas were to preface his posts with a nice little 'OT'
> each time, at least he'd be acknowledging that strictly speaking, he's
> not on track with the groups he's posting to.
>
> Ah well. I'm not a group-cop - I just couldn't help speaking out at his
> little hypocrisy earlier in the thread. Iit seems I have somehow struck
> a nerve, though, as now I'm apparently a degenerate juvenile punk.
> Gotta put that one in my diary.
Bugged has been asked/told time and time again not to crosspost his FAQ to
irrelevant newsgroups. Since he thinks he is in the right and won't listen
to reason, he's been killfiled by many people. One of his excuses for
spamming is that Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica
are all shown on the Sci-Fi Channel on Friday nights, so it's perfectly
reasonable of him to crosspost his FAQ messages to these newsgroups. I am
sure *he* thinks that makes sense.
The worst thing about it is that he's causing financial losses to the
franchise; now poor Joss will never get his two bucks from The Other Eric...
;-)
Eva
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Atlas Bugged
news:4avnpvF...@individual.net...
> Bugged has been asked/told time and time again not to crosspost his FAQ to
> irrelevant newsgroups.
By people who obviously don't understand Usenet, "relevance," and the
concept of perspective, aka "having a life"
>Since he thinks he is in the right and won't listen
> to reason, he's been killfiled by many people.
"Many?" Really? Thousands read my stuff. That's because I contribute, I
produce things of value.
What do you do? This whiny little post of yours seems to comprise the bulk
of it. I don't think I've had you killfiled for a while, so please direct
me to some of your recent posts that were worth anything, because I must
have missed them.
>One of his excuses for
> spamming is that Stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis and Battlestar Galactica
> are all shown on the Sci-Fi Channel on Friday nights, so it's perfectly
> reasonable of him to crosspost his FAQ messages to these newsgroups. I am
> sure *he* thinks that makes sense.
That issue's over, this is all anyone is getting from me anymore.
http://snipurl.com/k5pw No time to suffer fools.
>
> The worst thing about it is that he's causing financial losses to the
> franchise; now poor Joss will never get his two bucks from The Other
> Eric...
> ;-)
Yes. It does seem your little rant has essentially zero value other than to
expose a small minded poster - yourself.
Bob
>> Obviously there is something about Windows that keeps it in the
>> forefront.
>Yeah, microsoft's billions, and their abuse of power coupled with the
>general ignorance of the populace who see PC and windows as the same thing.
There's the little matter of applications...
>> MS has a huge Installed Base. And MS earned
>> that because they were the first on the block.
>They didn't earn it
The way things went back then, no one earned it. It was something up
for grabs and the person who grabbed it and hung on was the winner.
>Although I hate the word evangelism... It's an OS, not a religion.
>People who refer to evangelism in reference to operating systems are
>incredibly stupid.
Typical Linus evangelism.
When it takes over the desktop, let me know.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>>> Obviously there is something about Windows that keeps it in the
>>> forefront.
>
>>Yeah, microsoft's billions, and their abuse of power coupled with the
>>general ignorance of the populace who see PC and windows as the same thing.
>
> There's the little matter of applications...
What applications would those be?
I look at my machine... I can't see I'm lacking anything.
Bob
>> There's the little matter of applications...
>What applications would those be?
>I look at my machine... I can't see I'm lacking anything.
Commodity trading platforms like Strategy Runner.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
>>> There's the little matter of applications...
>
>>What applications would those be?
>>I look at my machine... I can't see I'm lacking anything.
>
> Commodity trading platforms like Strategy Runner.
So, a pretty specialised app that's no use to the average user?
Bob
>> Commodity trading platforms like Strategy Runner.
>So, a pretty specialised app that's no use to the average user?
It is useful to me, and that's why I run Windows.
But that is not the only specialty app I run.
Is Auto Gordian Knot ported to Linux?
How about WinDVD?
DVD Decrypter?
DVD Shrink?
WinAvi?
SoundForge?
WinAmp?
Eudrora?
Free Agent?
Paint Shop?
WS_FTP?
NoteTab?
Password Pro?
Everest?
MailWasher?
AdSubtract?
Kerio Personal Firewall?
Avast AV?
Motherboard Monitor 5?
TrippLite UPS?
D4Time?
AudioGrabber?
Dynamic DNS?
HP OfficeJet?
TMPGEnc DVD Author?
Nero?
VideoReDo?
RealPlayer?
Yahoo Messenger?
And a whole bunch of other apps that I use less frequently but which I
depend on when I need them.
Each of the apps listed above has wide support so if I need to consult
with the user base, I will have one to help me. The same cannot be
said of apps running on Linux.
I once consulted at a company that was originally a True Blue shop and
when the PC revolution hit they migrated to OS/2. They asked me to
find a simple email client like Eudora. There was none. The closest I
could come was some piece of crap garage ware in Britain that no one
knew anything about.
I learned my lesson from that experience. You stick with the OS that
has the largest number of applications supported by the largest number
of users. That's called the Installed Base, and the larger it is, the
better off you are if you join it.
spi...@freenet.co.uk
>
> Is Auto Gordian Knot ported to Linux?
> How about WinDVD?
> DVD Decrypter?
> DVD Shrink?
> WinAvi?
Plenty of alternatives can rip and play DVDs and AVIs
DVD::RIP which is a front end to transcode is excellent.
For playing them there's ogle, xine and mplayer.
> SoundForge?
Dunno what it does, but audacity is very good for sound editing.
There're plenty of others depending on what you want to do.
> WinAmp?
xmms (old name x11amp), freeamp, AmaroK
> Eudrora?
Evolution, Sylpheed, kmail, pine, elm, balsa, mutt...
> Free Agent?
tin, slrn, knode, gnews, pine, mahogany, pan...
> Paint Shop?
GIMP
> WS_FTP?
You jest. FTP? dozens.
> NoteTab?
What's notetab?
> Password Pro?
What's password pro?
> Everest?
What's everest (apart from a mountain?)
> MailWasher?
Spam filter? spam assassin.
> AdSubtract?
?
> Kerio Personal Firewall?
No need. Firewalling's built into the linux kernel.
Each distribution comes with it's own config tool to set it up.
(SuSE for example uses YaST to configure their "SuSE personal firewall")
> Avast AV?
Anti-virus? Oh, there're a few for filtering mail that'll be passed onto
windows but there's no need for one in linux.
> Motherboard Monitor 5?
lmsensors.
> TrippLite UPS?
?
> D4Time?
?
> AudioGrabber?
?
> Dynamic DNS?
DNS? Linux comes with THE dns server that practically runs the internet.
Named
If you're just talking about website dns setup when you're on a dynamic
IP... yes, linux can do that.
> HP OfficeJet?
CUPS (common unix printing system)
> TMPGEnc DVD Author?
Various tools. Not sure how good they are, I've never tried authoring a dvd.
> Nero?
K3B
> VideoReDo?
> RealPlayer?
Realplayer, mplayer, xine.
> Yahoo Messenger?
GAIM.
> And a whole bunch of other apps that I use less frequently but which I
> depend on when I need them.
All the ones I've listed are free, most come as part of the linux install.
(Not that they need to be installed)
> Each of the apps listed above has wide support so if I need to consult
> with the user base, I will have one to help me. The same cannot be
> said of apps running on Linux.
Yes it can, linux has its own userbase and a group of linux usenet groups
specially there for helping people with problems.
> I once consulted at a company that was originally a True Blue shop and
> when the PC revolution hit they migrated to OS/2. They asked me to
> find a simple email client like Eudora. There was none. The closest I
> could come was some piece of crap garage ware in Britain that no one
> knew anything about.
OS/2 has been effectively dead for 10 years.
> I learned my lesson from that experience. You stick with the OS that
> has the largest number of applications supported by the largest number
> of users. That's called the Installed Base, and the larger it is, the
> better off you are if you join it.
You'd be surprised just how many applications linux has AS PART OF THE
STANDARD INSTALL MEDIA.
There is still "for sale" proprietory software available, mainactor for
example, for movie editing. I just never bothered looking into that side
much because it's not needed by me.