4th Season Stargate Atlantis - Trio - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
George Avalos
2-8-08 SGA
5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
-George
DJensen
4.75
Why haven't they been using these writers all along? Tight thou simple
plot, funny boob stuff, more character growth for Rodney with
continuity (a combo rarely seen), a smart contribution from
"Jennifer" (who? what? when?), and they even thought to toss stuff out
the door to lighten the load (though I would have chucked the
machinery on the wall; when did dirt start weighing so much?).
After the last few dismal episodes this one was a huge surprise.
--
DJensen
Anim8rFSK
"George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
wow
um 3.5
it was better than Flash Gordon
They gave Sam lots to do -- finally. Too bad it wasn't better stuff.
Whatever happened to leaving a guard at the gate, anyway?
What is the Doctor, the Atlantis slut? First Ronon, now McKay?
I turned in about 10 minutes into it and watched the beginning last,
which was a good thing, because I'd have been REALLY annoyed had I seen
how they fell in first. McKay falls through the ground, and BOTH silly
women go right up to the hole, next to each other????
I assume the broken leg will be used as reason for us not to see Sam for
awhile. Sigh.
--
Star Trek 08:
No Shat, No Show.
Jeffrey Kaplan
Maybe on the theory that the machinery was there all along and the
thing was deigned to hold it but not the +added+ weight of the dirt?
Maybe the machinery was too big or bulky to move? Or physically
attached to the walls/floor?
--
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"Z'Ha'Dum")
whodunit
Wanted to see Rodney go after those kids
once they got topside--would have been worth
another .5! :-)
A Watcher
Pretty good for a non-scifi episode. The interaction between the
characters was fun, especially Rodney's communication problems. He came
through in the end, though.
Universe_JDJ
4.2.
Brian Henderson
2.0
It was pretty bad, especially the part with the kids. Obviously this
was just a filler episode but it was just painful to watch.
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Ken from Chicago
"George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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3.5
Kinda drags in bits, and why Carter didn't take over when she was the
climber or shut McKay up when he threatened the kid was a bit of an idiot
plot.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> In article <13qsuqh...@news.supernews.com>,
> "George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Trio"
>> 2-8-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>>
>> -George
>
> wow
>
> um 3.5
>
> it was better than Flash Gordon
>
> They gave Sam lots to do -- finally. Too bad it wasn't better stuff.
Sam shoulda been the one to figure out that crossbeam bit.
> Whatever happened to leaving a guard at the gate, anyway?
Or taking jumpers.
> What is the Doctor, the Atlantis slut? First Ronon, now McKay?
Obviously she's a hippie. "Love the one you're with."
> I turned in about 10 minutes into it and watched the beginning last,
> which was a good thing, because I'd have been REALLY annoyed had I seen
> how they fell in first. McKay falls through the ground, and BOTH silly
> women go right up to the hole, next to each other????
They had to see if McKay was in immediate danger. Carter was the leader and
had to see for tactical / strategic reason, Keller for medical reasons.
Tho Keller was right, why the frell didn't they take a jumper? It's like the
SG teams LIKE hiking all over the place.
> I assume the broken leg will be used as reason for us not to see Sam for
> awhile. Sigh.
Starbuck showed up in episodes after she broke her leg.
> --
> Star Trek 08:
>
> No Shat, No Show.
Give Trek '08 a chance.
-- Ken from Chicago
Beth Smarr
I agree about the weight, but maybe the displacement of the machinery
would stress the already straining supports and bring the room down more
quickly.
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Beth Smarr
I loved how Keller said that if they didn't stop him, Rodney could go on
like that forever (when he was apologizing and explaining the body type
differences between Sam and Jennifer).
Martin
Obvious question, but why doesn't Sam have one of the Gou'ld healing devices
with her? Or have they decided that that sor tof thing is no longer
relevant?
Martin
"Brian Henderson" <BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
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> George Avalos wrote:
>> "Trio"
>> 2-8-08 SGA
>>
>> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> 2.0
>
> It was pretty bad, especially the part with the kids. Obviously this was
> just a filler episode but it was just painful to watch.
There have been about 13 "filler" episodes this Season.
Victor Velazquez
5
It had everything I want from Stargate and more. Well, almost more. Next
time, SHUT UP, Carter!
Anim8rFSK
<ba7cde49-2bb8-4004...@y5g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Feb 9, 11:19 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Trio"
> > 2-8-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> 4.75
>
> Why haven't they been using these writers all along? Tight thou simple
> plot, funny boob stuff, more character growth for Rodney with
> continuity (a combo rarely seen), a smart contribution from
> "Jennifer" (who? what? when?), and they even thought to toss stuff out
> the door to lighten the load (though I would have chucked the
> machinery on the wall; when did dirt start weighing so much?).
Yeah, with you on the dirt.
Women should have chucked their clothes.
>
> After the last few dismal episodes this one was a huge surprise.
>
> --
> DJensen
--
Anim8rFSK
"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-FF0DA...@news.west.cox.net...
> > In article <13qsuqh...@news.supernews.com>,
> > "George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Trio"
> >> 2-8-08 SGA
> >>
> >> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> >>
> >> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
> >>
> >> -George
> >
> > wow
> >
> > um 3.5
> >
> > it was better than Flash Gordon
> >
> > They gave Sam lots to do -- finally. Too bad it wasn't better stuff.
>
> Sam shoulda been the one to figure out that crossbeam bit.
Yes. They remembered she's phyically adept at least.
>
> > Whatever happened to leaving a guard at the gate, anyway?
>
> Or taking jumpers.
>
> > What is the Doctor, the Atlantis slut? First Ronon, now McKay?
>
> Obviously she's a hippie. "Love the one you're with."
And has lots of practice in bars. Was in an awful hurry to get naked,
too.
>
> > I turned in about 10 minutes into it and watched the beginning last,
> > which was a good thing, because I'd have been REALLY annoyed had I seen
> > how they fell in first. McKay falls through the ground, and BOTH silly
> > women go right up to the hole, next to each other????
>
> They had to see if McKay was in immediate danger. Carter was the leader and
> had to see for tactical / strategic reason, Keller for medical reasons.
Nonsense.
>
> Tho Keller was right, why the frell didn't they take a jumper? It's like the
> SG teams LIKE hiking all over the place.
When they asked that, I thought somebody was gonna have a good
explanation, but noooo.
And the slutty doctor only carries asprin???
>
> > I assume the broken leg will be used as reason for us not to see Sam for
> > awhile. Sigh.
>
> Starbuck showed up in episodes after she broke her leg.
So that's bad news then.
>
> > --
> > Star Trek 08:
> >
> > No Shat, No Show.
>
> Give Trek '08 a chance.
If they don't give a Shat, I won't give a shit.
Anim8rFSK
"Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> wrote:
Atlantis seems to have abandoned most of the tech that SG1 found. We
were hoping Sam would arrive with crates of the stuff, but nooooo.
Anim8rFSK
"Victor Velazquez" <k-ca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Shut up Carter?
Fred Ellis
I give it 4 Stars. It was nice but not as enjoyable as previous
episodes.
Now we know what episode David Hewlett, Amanda Tapping & Jewel Staite
were filming when Joe Flanigan & Jason Momoa were off filming last
week's episode. Nothing like trying to keep production costs down.
Fred Ellis
--
Who do you serve. . . . And who do you trust?
(To e-mail me, remove the X from my address)
erilar
Finally! Sam gets more than half a dozen lines and some action! It
WOULD have to have Rodney in it, but at least he didn't save the day.
The doctor is turning into a person now, too 8-)
2/3 good characters, no Wraith, no Replicators. . .
Compared to what we've been getting so far, since I can't go back and
lower the others. . .
4
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
erilar
A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
He did? You mean because he didn't just let go of the rope?
Andrew Venor
Maybe Carter's kidneys have finely removed the naquadah from her blood
stream.
Or maybe the producers decided that giving our heroes a magical healing
device was too much of a crutch for the writing staff.
ALV
David V. Loewe, Jr
SOMEBODY'S rooting interest is showing... ;-)
I would have had Crassus, Pompey and Caesar as my 5 star "trio."
3.75 (going with the sports theme - Pujols, Rolen and Edmonds)
Some good bits with some silly stuff (frex Rodney's obsession).
--
"Man, I'd give anything to be as articulate as Steve Jobs."
- Bill Gates
DJensen
> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-atlantis, DJensen said:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 9, 11:19 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Trio"
> > > 2-8-08 SGA
>
> > > 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> > > 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> > 4.75
>
> > Why haven't they been using these writers all along? Tight thou simple
> > plot, funny boob stuff, more character growth for Rodney with
> > continuity (a combo rarely seen), a smart contribution from
> > "Jennifer" (who? what? when?), and they even thought to toss stuff out
> > the door to lighten the load (though I would have chucked the
> > machinery on the wall; when did dirt start weighing so much?).
>
> > After the last few dismal episodes this one was a huge surprise.
>
> Maybe on the theory that the machinery was there all along and the
> thing was deigned to hold it but not the +added+ weight of the dirt?
If the struts were designed to hold x tonnes, they'd last even longer
holding up x - 1. At some point that room would have been full of
miners and ore (or whatever the crates held) too, so the struts
shouldn't have given out with the addition of a pile of dirt.
> Maybe the machinery was too big or bulky to move? Or physically
> attached to the walls/floor?
They could have taken half a second to acknowledge that. It's not a
big deal though.
--
DJensen
Martin
"Andrew Venor" <alv...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Yes I think that's it. Shame they allowed it for 10 years of SG1 though, we
can hardly be expected to forget can we?
Joetheone
"DJensen" <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
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Looked like the room used to be part of a larger building, the center of
which had fallen into the big hole. the struts holding it up weren't
designed to be it's only support.
jojo
> "Trio"
> 2-8-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
1. Filler, but with funny lines, so I gave more than 0.
Joetheone
"Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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understood that.
Love to see what a couple zat zaps does to a wraith.
Joetheone
Then Doc would have nothing to do but rip her clothes off every time someone
hinted at it.
I don't have a problem with that...
jewahe
> "Trio"
> 2-8-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> -George
>
>
1.5.
You have three fairly intelligent people in a room together, and the
best thing they can find to discuss is who they'd make out with?
Keller said that she has always been underestimated; perhaps that's
because her frame of reference seems to be party times. Sam and Rodney
barely hid their contempt for her. She also seems intent on sleeping her
way through the men of Atlantis.
The plot was fairly bland, and I can't really find fault in what Sam &
Rodney tried, although I did think they dismissed the red door a little
too quickly. It's always worth looking outside the box for solutions.
--
JWH
Joetheone
"erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <13qtace...@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> George Avalos wrote:
>> > "Trio"
>> > 2-8-08 SGA
>> >
>> > 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>> >
>> > 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>> >
>> > -George
>> >
>> >
>> 4.2
>>
>> Pretty good for a non-scifi episode. The interaction between the
>> characters was fun, especially Rodney's communication problems. He came
>> through in the end, though.
>
> He did? You mean because he didn't just let go of the rope?
>
> --
> Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
>
Dropping the rope is the first response. Trying to close them again is
agony.
Joetheone
> 2-8-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> -George
>
byplay, snappy dialogue. "Scary monsters?"
Some problems, though.
When did Sam ever see a contol panel she didn't just have to open to see if
she could get it to work? Between the two of them, and all the stuff laying
around, they could have McGuyvered a generator with their gas supply.
"The dirt's heavy" was pretty weak, even though the place was damn unstable.
Why was the door open?
But on a high note, if our little doctor girl doesn't get some pretty quick,
everybody's going to be wondering why all the doorknobs are so sticky.
Thanatos
jewahe <j.ha...@comcast.net> wrote:
> George Avalos wrote:
> > "Trio"
> > 2-8-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
> >
> > -George
> >
> >
>
> 1.5.
>
> You have three fairly intelligent people in a room together, and the
> best thing they can find to discuss is who they'd make out with?
>
> Keller said that she has always been underestimated; perhaps that's
> because her frame of reference seems to be party times. Sam and Rodney
> barely hid their contempt for her. She also seems intent on sleeping her
> way through the men of Atlantis.
She shared an almost-kiss with one guy and then days (or weeks) later
asked another guy out for a drink and from that you deduce that she's
"intent on sleeping her way through the men of Atlantis"? Despite the
fact that, to our knowledge, she actually, you know, *slept* with anyone?
Do you hold all women to such puritanical standards or just TV
characters?
Joetheone
"Thanatos" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message
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We can dream, can't we?
Ken from Chicago
She got the rope--before Keller offered the rope alternative.
-- Ken from Chicago
whodunit
the Reader's Digest condensed explanation for things, when for so
many years on SG:1, she was even *worse*? :-)
How many times did Jack give her 'the look' and simply say, "CARTER!"
;-) I thought she might give Rodney the same look and say in the same
tone Jack used to use: "MCKAY!" ;-)
Justin Kase
>
> I loved how Keller said that if they didn't stop him, Rodney could go on
> like that forever (when he was apologizing and explaining the body type
> differences between Sam and Jennifer).
McKay: blather, blah blah, blithering droning, on and on, etc, at naseum
Carter: (interrupting) McKAY!
McKay: stopping in mid-syllable to say 'yes?' with an innocent look in
his eyes...
Carter: SHUT UP, Rodney!
McKay: (with an apologetic tone to his voice) Oh. Right. Shutting up
now. I'll just be over here in the corner, keeping my mouth shut. You
won't hear a word outta me again! Nope, not me, I'm not... (catching the
glare from Carter and Keller, suddenly does shut up)
Eva, Tell me again how Rodney's personality has changed since his first
appearances on SG-1?
Anim8rFSK
> George Avalos wrote:
> > "Trio"
> > 2-8-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
> >
> > -George
> >
> >
>
> 1.5.
>
> You have three fairly intelligent people in a room together, and the
> best thing they can find to discuss is who they'd make out with?
Of course, that was the clean version for TV. The real game is 'who
would you screw' and they were being really really benign -- just
picking two reasonable candidates. You need to mix it up. Once in a
while you pick two HORRIBLE candidates. Or widely divergent people . .
. "Stephen Hawking or Newman from Seinfeld" . . . and then you've got
flavors, like "Classic or Current" as in "Elizabeth Taylor"
Martin
> Keller said that she has always been underestimated; perhaps that's
> because her frame of reference seems to be party times. Sam and Rodney
> barely hid their contempt for her. She also seems intent on sleeping her
> way through the men of Atlantis.
Only the men of Atlantis :-(
Joetheone
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Anim8rFSK
"Joetheone" <joet...@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
> When did Sam ever see a contol panel she didn't just have to open to see if
> she could get it to work?
We did see McKay pry at it and give up. They didn't bring a tool kit??
> Between the two of them, and all the stuff laying
> around, they could have McGuyvered a generator with their gas supply.
To do what with?
> "The dirt's heavy" was pretty weak, even though the place was damn unstable.
> Why was the door open?
We saw the doctor push it mostly shut but not latch it. Of course, if
she had, they'd all be dead.
Brian Henderson
> There have been about 13 "filler" episodes this Season.
Perhaps, but most of them haven't been this painful to watch.
I guess I have to revise my general estimate that 20-22 episode
series usually only have about 7 episodes worth of plot and everything
else filler.
--
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Joetheone
"whodunit" <whod...@whodunit.net> wrote in message
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That would have been about perfect.
I don't like how they've dumbed her down.
Joetheone
> In article <jJHrj.3780$Sa1....@news02.roc.ny>,
> "Joetheone" <joet...@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
>
>> When did Sam ever see a contol panel she didn't just have to open to see
>> if
>> she could get it to work?
>
> We did see McKay pry at it and give up. They didn't bring a tool kit??
>
Or a screwdriver.
>> Between the two of them, and all the stuff laying
>> around, they could have McGuyvered a generator with their gas supply.
>
> To do what with?
>
Open door #2. The one with the control panel next to it.
Thanatos
"Joetheone" <joet...@dontchabespamminme.com> wrote:
> "Thanatos" <atr...@mac.com> wrote in message
> news:atropos-A5DAAE...@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <ZYmdnWi-F9X43jLa...@comcast.com>,
> > jewahe <j.ha...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> You have three fairly intelligent people in a room together,
> >> and the best thing they can find to discuss is who they'd
> >> make out with?
> >>
> >> Keller said that she has always been underestimated; perhaps
> >> that's because her frame of reference seems to be party times.
> >> Sam and Rodney barely hid their contempt for her. She also
> >> seems intent on sleeping her way through the men of Atlantis.
> >
> > She shared an almost-kiss with one guy and then days (or
> > weeks) later asked another guy out for a drink and from
> > that you deduce that she's "intent on sleeping her way
> > through the men of Atlantis"? Despite the fact that, to
> > our knowledge, she hasn't actually, you know, *slept* with
> > anyone?
> >
> > Do you hold all women to such puritanical standards or just TV
> > characters?
>
> We can dream, can't we?
Oh, I see. It's just the loser virgin fan-boy masturbatory fantasy of
the week. I hadn't looked at the comment in that light. It actually
makes more sense now that you mention it.
Dan Lanciani
|
| "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
| >
| >> "Trio"
| >> 2-8-08 SGA
| >>
| >> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
| >>
| >> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
| >>
| >
| > wow
| >
| > um 3.5
| >
| > it was better than Flash Gordon
I don't know about that...
1
| > They gave Sam lots to do -- finally. Too bad it wasn't better stuff.
|
| Sam shoulda been the one to figure out that crossbeam bit.
Real Carter would have been out of there in minutes. (With all the
available materials even I could probably have gotten out and I'm not
at all athletic.) This Carter had to ask Rodney whether radios would
work underground. And why don't they carry FTL communications devices?
They've had access to the technology for years and I'll bet the Ancients
had something better than Tok'ra recycled Tollan communicators.
| > I turned in about 10 minutes into it and watched the beginning last,
| > which was a good thing, because I'd have been REALLY annoyed had I seen
| > how they fell in first. McKay falls through the ground, and BOTH silly
| > women go right up to the hole, next to each other????
|
| They had to see if McKay was in immediate danger. Carter was the leader and
| had to see for tactical / strategic reason, Keller for medical reasons.
You're joking, right? They've turned Carter into an idiot.
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
Joetheone
You think she's on the show because she's such a convincing doctor?
Anim8rFSK
Anim8rFSK
whodunit <whod...@whodunit.net> wrote:
How great would it have been if McKay had given the "just because my
reproductive organs are on the outside" speech? :)
whodunit
Rodney was an unlikeable lech in SG:1 who got himself banished to
Siberia, IIRC. In Atlantis, they're portraying him as pretty much
innocent due to his nerdiness. :-)
whodunit
Perfect!! What are the writers thinking?! They could really bring a lot
more to the stories if they'd pay more attention to past episodes! :-)
redsurf
4 for me. I am hoping though for more than 2-3 characters
per ep.
Anim8rFSK
whodunit <whod...@whodunit.net> wrote:
ayup.
erilar
redsurf <red...@comcast.nospamnet> wrote:
> 4 for me. I am hoping though for more than 2-3 characters
> per ep.
Ah, but if they do that often, there ought to be some more Rodneyless
eps!
--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is
that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo
puzzlrr
Imo, if a teevee character flirts with another series regular (and she or he
is a regular also), people will expect them to be together or to continue
the flirting for more than one episode. What were all those looks between
her and Ronon about a couple of weeks ago? I guess the writers forgot all
about that and decided to soften her up with the drink date with Rodney.
This is one of the reasons I have a problem with the John/Teyla set up.
They drop all these hints over the years, but I don't see it happening at
all. And it also begs the question, is John just a tease? If Teyla took
him to heart (which she didn't since she's pregnant by someone else) and
waited on him to make the next move, she'd be an old hag by the time he got
around to it. Oh and he'd Shatner the entire galaxy first.
OT to this thread, I think the baby is John's, and it'll be a mixed
Wraith/Ancient child who can power the Ancient tech and read/manipulate the
Wraith mind. Or maybe not.
Puzz
puzzlrr
> 2-8-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> -George
>
3
Not enough of the original team for me to give a higher score.
Puzz
Thanatos
"puzzlrr" <puzz...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
How does "what people expect" change what actually is shown?
> What were all those looks between
> her and Ronon about a couple of weeks ago?
Looks. Just a guess.
Jason Maxwell
> 2-8-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
This episode was insulting to the intelligence of anyone watching it. Let
me list what I can remember (almost) 48 hours later
Sam's out of shape but Rodney isn't?
Yeah, let's all crawl up to the unstable hole Rodney just fell through
Sam the idiot. "Will our radios work down here?" then tries to open a door
without noticing the control panel next to it until Rodney points it out.
They need to get out, because they've added a bunch of weight to the room
and the struts are collapsing. Gee, maybe throw all the crap you can out
the door that leads to the bottomless pit? given all the crap they ended up
using in that room, I'm sure there were 300 pounds + dirt they could have
lost. They even show Jewel scooping dirt out the door, but never actually
mention it as a strategy.
Even though the room is collapsing and they have no idea when the next
tremor is, they let Rodney fool around with the grappling hook. Then when
he proves he doesn't have a clue at what he's doing they let him make more
attempts. Umm, speed is of the essence here.
The two physics geniuses don't know the cross-support trick, but the doctor
does? Seriously?
The broken leg cliché and the dangling at the end of the rope cliché. I'm
only surprised they didn't get to the "Sam gets a major leg injury" the
first time the crates collapsed.
Sam climbs down with an extra rope so Jewel can pull her over. Then Rodney
climbs down without a rope? And Jewel doesn't toss over the one Sam used?
They get .5 for MacGyvering/Mythbustering up the steam cannon, but that's
it.
This is a new low point for Atlantis. Every writer who worked on this one
should be fired for failing the 10-year old test.
Jason
Anim8rFSK
"Jason Maxwell" <jaso...@cox.net> wrote:
> "George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:13qsuqh...@news.supernews.com...
> > "Trio"
> > 2-8-08 SGA
> >
> > 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> >
> > 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
> >
> .5
>
> This episode was insulting to the intelligence of anyone watching it. Let
> me list what I can remember (almost) 48 hours later
>
> Sam's out of shape but Rodney isn't?
That was Rodney blustering.
>
> Yeah, let's all crawl up to the unstable hole Rodney just fell through
Sigh. Yep.
>
> Sam the idiot. "Will our radios work down here?" then tries to open a door
> without noticing the control panel next to it until Rodney points it out.
Sam's clearly taken a bonk or two on the head.
>
> They need to get out, because they've added a bunch of weight to the room
> and the struts are collapsing. Gee, maybe throw all the crap you can out
> the door that leads to the bottomless pit? given all the crap they ended up
> using in that room, I'm sure there were 300 pounds + dirt they could have
> lost. They even show Jewel scooping dirt out the door, but never actually
> mention it as a strategy.
yep
>
> Even though the room is collapsing and they have no idea when the next
> tremor is, they let Rodney fool around with the grappling hook. Then when
> he proves he doesn't have a clue at what he's doing they let him make more
> attempts. Umm, speed is of the essence here.
Yeah, they should have taken the hook from Rodney WAY sooner. It's not
like Sam isn't his boss.
>
> The two physics geniuses don't know the cross-support trick, but the doctor
> does? Seriously?
They don't hang out in bars.
>
> The broken leg cliché and the dangling at the end of the rope cliché. I'm
> only surprised they didn't get to the "Sam gets a major leg injury" the
> first time the crates collapsed.
Took her two!
>
> Sam climbs down with an extra rope so Jewel can pull her over. Then Rodney
> climbs down without a rope? And Jewel doesn't toss over the one Sam used?
>
> They get .5 for MacGyvering/Mythbustering up the steam cannon, but that's
> it.
>
> This is a new low point for Atlantis. Every writer who worked on this one
> should be fired for failing the 10-year old test.
Nah. Atlantis is usually worse. At least this time we had some
somewhat engaging castmembers. Think how awful this would have been
with Tayla and Weir and Zelenka.
Zombie Elvis
<george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Trio"
>2-8-08 SGA
>
>5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
>0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
Amusing adventure, nothing more, nothing less.
4.10110101
--
"Please captain, not in front of the Klingons."
-- Spock
Roberto Castillo
roberto...@ameritech.net
http://zombie-gulch.myminicity.com/
Martin
"Dan Lanciani" <ddl@danlan.*com> wrote in message
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> In article <BO-dnXZVEs_PQTPa...@comcast.com>,
> kwicker1...@comcast.net (Ken from Chicago) writes:
> |
> | "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> | news:ANIM8Rfsk-FF0DA...@news.west.cox.net...
> | > In article <13qsuqh...@news.supernews.com>,
> | > "George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> | >
> | >> "Trio"
> | >> 2-8-08 SGA
> | >>
> | >> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> | >>
> | >> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
> | >>
> | >> -George
> | >
> | > wow
> | >
> | > um 3.5
> | >
> | > it was better than Flash Gordon
>
> I don't know about that...
>
> 1
>
> | > They gave Sam lots to do -- finally. Too bad it wasn't better stuff.
> |
> | Sam shoulda been the one to figure out that crossbeam bit.
>
> Real Carter would have been out of there in minutes. (With all the
> available materials even I could probably have gotten out and I'm not
> at all athletic.) This Carter had to ask Rodney whether radios would
> work underground. And why don't they carry FTL communications devices?
> They've had access to the technology for years and I'll bet the Ancients
> had something better than Tok'ra recycled Tollan communicators.
Yes and you could ask why they keep trying to shoot Wraith using crappy
P90's and 9mm pistols. Why they don't have a Sarcophagus handy for
emergencies, Gou'ld healing devices, why no Stargate carried on the Earth
ships, why they don't ever have appeared to have heard of 4X4's, trail bikes
etc.
Martin
> Nah. Atlantis is usually worse. At least this time we had some
> somewhat engaging castmembers. Think how awful this would have been
> with Tayla and Weir and Zelenka.
Yes and what was all that with Carter not liking Zelenka?
David B
> "Trio"
> 2-8-08 SGA
>
> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>
> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>
> -George
Wasn't there just a characters trapped and have to find a way out
episode just a few weeks ago? Talk about repetitive. Still I liked this
episode. 3.5, lots of funny dialog.
David B
Maybe him staring at her breasts a few weeks back creeped her out?
Ken from Chicago
"Dan Lanciani" <ddl@danlan.*com> wrote in message
news:134...@news1.IPSWITCHS.CMM...
> kwicker1...@comcast.net (Ken from Chicago) writes:
> |
> | "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> | news:ANIM8Rfsk-FF0DA...@news.west.cox.net...
> | > In article <13qsuqh...@news.supernews.com>,
> | > "George Avalos" <george...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> | >
> | >> "Trio"
> | >> 2-8-08 SGA
> | >>
> | >> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
> | >>
> | >> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
> | >>
> | >> -George
> | >
> | > wow
> | >
> | > um 3.5
> | >
> | > it was better than Flash Gordon
>
> I don't know about that...
>
> 1
>
> | > They gave Sam lots to do -- finally. Too bad it wasn't better stuff.
> |
> | Sam shoulda been the one to figure out that crossbeam bit.
>
> Real Carter would have been out of there in minutes. (With all the
> available materials even I could probably have gotten out and I'm not
> at all athletic.) This Carter had to ask Rodney whether radios would
> work underground. And why don't they carry FTL communications devices?
> They've had access to the technology for years and I'll bet the Ancients
> had something better than Tok'ra recycled Tollan communicators.
"I'm stuck in a hole with MacGyver!"
Yes, agreed about Real Carter. Then again the Pegasus galaxy in general
seems to have a deliterious affect on humans. They skill go exploring to
alien planets without a shred of disguise, yet want to keep their presence a
secret.
FTL comms would probably draw a lot of power, the kind they want to power
the city. Of course FTL comms wouldn't be needed if a) they had used a
jumper or b) had extra guards with them or at the gate.
> | > I turned in about 10 minutes into it and watched the beginning last,
> | > which was a good thing, because I'd have been REALLY annoyed had I
> seen
> | > how they fell in first. McKay falls through the ground, and BOTH
> silly
> | > women go right up to the hole, next to each other????
> |
> | They had to see if McKay was in immediate danger. Carter was the leader
> and
> | had to see for tactical / strategic reason, Keller for medical reasons.
>
> You're joking, right? They've turned Carter into an idiot.
Hey, I was trying to smarten her up, provide a smart reason for the risky
move.
> Dan Lanciani
> ddl@danlan.*com
-- Ken from Chicago (who too mourns the loss of Real Carter)
Ken from Chicago
"Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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The lack of land vehicles has been a long-running complaint of fans since
SG1 started. They could always do what they do on Earth-based eps, show them
getting into and getting out of vehicles at their destination to deal with
whatever crisis--since filming vehicles in motion would be more expensive.
I thought there was some kind of long-term damage / danger to using the
sarcophagi repeatedly, to explain why they didn't. Or it makes a person
addicted to it.
Good points about the machineguns and stargates.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
> In article <jJJrj.9109$Ch6....@newssvr11.news.prodigy.net>,
> whodunit <whod...@whodunit.net> wrote:
<snip>
>> Did anyone else realize that Sam was basically asking Rodney for
>> the Reader's Digest condensed explanation for things, when for so
>> many years on SG:1, she was even *worse*? :-)
>>
>> How many times did Jack give her 'the look' and simply say, "CARTER!"
>> ;-) I thought she might give Rodney the same look and say in the same
>> tone Jack used to use: "MCKAY!" ;-)
>
> How great would it have been if McKay had given the "just because my
> reproductive organs are on the outside" speech? :)
>
> --
> Star Trek 08:
>
> No Shat, No Show.
LOL!
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Once again, TPTB need to listen to the fans more.
-- Ken from Chicago
Eva
<snip>
That scraping of the barrel thing - they must have found one with a double
bottom. I never thought I would say this but, at this point, the writing on
Atlantis is worse that the writing of SG-1 was post S8 (give or take). Are
they going to keep this up for another season, until they give us another
show and are allowed to kill this one off?
Jeebus.
Eva
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delusionals..."
jewahe
>
>> George Avalos wrote:
>>> "Trio"
>>> 2-8-08 SGA
>>>
>>> 5 stars (Strahan, Umenyiora, Tuck)
>>>
>>> 0-1 stars (Mankins, Koppen, Light)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> 1.5.
>>
>> You have three fairly intelligent people in a room together, and the
>> best thing they can find to discuss is who they'd make out with?
>>
>> Keller said that she has always been underestimated; perhaps that's
>> because her frame of reference seems to be party times. Sam and Rodney
>> barely hid their contempt for her. She also seems intent on sleeping her
>> way through the men of Atlantis.
>
> She shared an almost-kiss with one guy and then days (or weeks) later
> asked another guy out for a drink and from that you deduce that she's
> "intent on sleeping her way through the men of Atlantis"? Despite the
> fact that, to our knowledge, she actually, you know, *slept* with anyone?
>
> Do you hold all women to such puritanical standards or just TV
> characters?
You're assuming a lot from one throw-away line.
It was an exaggeration for emphasis. Keller has had two "almost"
encounters in a few weeks, when the other men and women on the show
(actually, on both SG1 and SGA) have, maybe, a single spark a season.
The whole scene would have been better served had they simply left out
the line "you're really bad at this", which suggests that she isn't just
asking Rodney out for a drink, but had some romantic interest in him.
--
JWH
David Chapman
> In article <13qtace...@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> Pretty good for a non-scifi episode. The interaction between the
>> characters was fun, especially Rodney's communication problems. He came
>> through in the end, though.
>
> He did? You mean because he didn't just let go of the rope?
Well, yeah. Rodney isn't an alpha male type; Sam is probably right at the
limit of his lifting capacity. And yet despite being in extreme pain, he
still held onto the rope long enough for her to reach safety. If that's not
"coming through", what the fuck is?
David Chapman
> I thought there was some kind of long-term damage / danger to using the
> sarcophagi repeatedly, to explain why they didn't. Or it makes a person
> addicted to it.
Both. The Goa'uld turned evil because repeatedly using a sarcophagus turns
you into a sociopath.
Anim8rFSK
"David Chapman" <jedit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
But Goa'uld are evil instantly. First time Goa'uld, evil. Unless the
symbiote comes from that one queen.
PV
>"Trio"
>2-8-08 SGA
3.5. Half a point was added for mentioning chimpanzees solving the same
problem.
I don't entirely get the building strategy here - what the hell were the
Genii originally doing that they put lots of buildings in stilts? *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
PV
>Yes and you could ask why they keep trying to shoot Wraith using crappy
>P90's and 9mm pistols.
Because they make wraiths dead?
>Why they don't have a Sarcophagus handy for emergencies,
Because they have this little problem of turning you into an evil overlord?
>Gou'ld healing devices,
Because you have to have a goa'uld bits in you to make them work, and the
technology has a bad habit of turning corpses into zombies?
>why no Stargate carried on the Earth ships,
Because they don't know how to make one from scratch, can't use them in
flight, and they have transporters for the short hops? What would the point
of a stargate be? Jumpers have them because they fit inside the gate. A
whole capital ship, not so much.
>why they don't ever have appeared to have heard of 4X4's, trail bikes
>etc.
Because a diplomatic party driving up in noisy monster vehicles might look
a little aggressive, and for covert operations is about as subtle as a fart
in church? *
PV
>Obvious question, but why doesn't Sam have one of the Gou'ld healing devices
>with her? Or have they decided that that sor tof thing is no longer
>relevant?
She's never been shown to be particularly good at it. *
Martin
"David Chapman" <jedit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sorry but that myth has been done to death. Both Daniel and Jack were put
into them multiple times, in fact Daniel did have some effects but he's
clearly back to normal. Hey, if you were dying what would you choose? It's
not like you'de be in it every week is it?
Martin
"PV" <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote in message
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> "Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> writes:
>>Yes and you could ask why they keep trying to shoot Wraith using crappy
>>P90's and 9mm pistols.
>
> Because they make wraiths dead?
>
>>Why they don't have a Sarcophagus handy for emergencies,
>
> Because they have this little problem of turning you into an evil
> overlord?
>
>>Gou'ld healing devices,
>
> Because you have to have a goa'uld bits in you to make them work, and the
> technology has a bad habit of turning corpses into zombies?
>
>>why no Stargate carried on the Earth ships,
>
> Because they don't know how to make one from scratch, can't use them in
> flight, and they have transporters for the short hops? What would the
> point
> of a stargate be? Jumpers have them because they fit inside the gate. A
> whole capital ship, not so much.
Actually a Stargate would be very useful to have. If you need to transport
someone back to Atlantis or have Atlantis send someone to you or if you have
an emergency on board. So long as you know where you are you can use it.
There are plenty of planets where they could take a gate from.
Sean Eric Fagan
PV <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote:
>I don't entirely get the building strategy here - what the hell were the
>Genii originally doing that they put lots of buildings in stilts? *
They didn't necessarily do it, but I wouldn't rule it out.
The building was on stilts because after they mined at that point, they
started mining *under* the room. And rather than relocate all of the rooms
they had even deeper, they simply put stilts up while they mined.
Not an unbelievable thing.
Andrew Venor
Or maybe she doesn't like racing pigeons?
ALV
Eva
Couldn't agree more. The key word here is repeatedly; the occasional use
clearly does no harm, or very little. This just hasn't been thought through
very well by the SG-1 writers; they were left with the movie's legacy of a
sarc and while they had decided to leave it in the series (would have been
easy to leave it out, had they wanted to) they forgot to come up with good
enough reasons for SGC not obtaining one at some stage.
Eva
news:13r11aa...@news.supernews.com...
> "Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> writes:
<snip>
>>why no Stargate carried on the Earth ships,
>
> Because they don't know how to make one from scratch,
It's easy to get the few needed from a planet.
> .. can't use them in flight,
They can use them when they stop. Still better than not having a gate at
all. It may also be possible to use a gate while the ship is moving,
providing it is slow enough. But I could be wrong here.
> and they have transporters for the short hops?
Which can be intercepted.
> What would the point of a stargate be?
How many times has a ship been stranded with no way of getting back to
Earth? If you have a gate onboard, you just dial home. Just this one point
would be good enough for me.
> Jumpers have them because they fit inside the gate. A
> whole capital ship, not so much.
Not sure what you mean here, in the context it doesn't make sense to me.
Jumpers have them - the gates? - because they fit inside the gate?
Anim8rFSK
pv+u...@pobox.com (PV) wrote:
> "Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> writes:
> >Yes and you could ask why they keep trying to shoot Wraith using crappy
> >P90's and 9mm pistols.
>
> Because they make wraiths dead?
Except that's a retcon. Originally you could blast a Wraith to pieces
and the pieces would still live. Remember the arm scene ripped off
(hah!) from THE THING (from another world)?
>
> >Why they don't have a Sarcophagus handy for emergencies,
>
> Because they have this little problem of turning you into an evil overlord?
Not once or twice.
>
> >Gou'ld healing devices,
>
> Because you have to have a goa'uld bits in you to make them work, and the
> technology has a bad habit of turning corpses into zombies?
Two words: Sam
>
> >why no Stargate carried on the Earth ships,
>
> Because they don't know how to make one from scratch, can't use them in
> flight, and they have transporters for the short hops? What would the point
> of a stargate be? Jumpers have them because they fit inside the gate. A
> whole capital ship, not so much.
They were collecting Stargates at one point and had dozens of them on a
ship, so it's not a supply problem.
>
> >why they don't ever have appeared to have heard of 4X4's, trail bikes
> >etc.
>
> Because a diplomatic party driving up in noisy monster vehicles might look
> a little aggressive, and for covert operations is about as subtle as a fart
> in church? *
Segways.
Eva
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> Beth Smarr wrote:
>
>>
>> I loved how Keller said that if they didn't stop him, Rodney could go on
>> like that forever (when he was apologizing and explaining the body type
>> differences between Sam and Jennifer).
>
> McKay: blather, blah blah, blithering droning, on and on, etc, at naseum
> Carter: (interrupting) McKAY!
> McKay: stopping in mid-syllable to say 'yes?' with an innocent look in his
> eyes...
> Carter: SHUT UP, Rodney!
> McKay: (with an apologetic tone to his voice) Oh. Right. Shutting up now.
> I'll just be over here in the corner, keeping my mouth shut. You won't
> hear a word outta me again! Nope, not me, I'm not... (catching the glare
> from Carter and Keller, suddenly does shut up)
>
>
> Eva, Tell me again how Rodney's personality has changed since his first
> appearances on SG-1?
Watch him in SG-1 and then watch all of Atlantis and all will become clear.
;-)
(Is this your new name or are you just trying to confuse people?)
erilar
"David Chapman" <jedit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, obviously, he tied the rope to something to get down himself. . .
--
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that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov
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Martin
"Eva" <eva1rem...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> "Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "David Chapman" <jedit...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fopphb$ie3$3$8302...@news.demon.co.uk...
>>> From the Collected Witterings of Ken from Chicago, volume 23:
>>>
>>>> I thought there was some kind of long-term damage / danger to using the
>>>> sarcophagi repeatedly, to explain why they didn't. Or it makes a person
>>>> addicted to it.
>>>
>>> Both. The Goa'uld turned evil because repeatedly using a sarcophagus
>>> turns you into a sociopath.
>>
>> Sorry but that myth has been done to death. Both Daniel and Jack were put
>> into them multiple times, in fact Daniel did have some effects but he's
>> clearly back to normal. Hey, if you were dying what would you choose?
>> It's not like you'de be in it every week is it?
>
> Couldn't agree more. The key word here is repeatedly; the occasional use
> clearly does no harm, or very little. This just hasn't been thought
> through very well by the SG-1 writers; they were left with the movie's
> legacy of a sarc and while they had decided to leave it in the series
> (would have been easy to leave it out, had they wanted to) they forgot to
> come up with good enough reasons for SGC not obtaining one at some stage.
>
> Eva
Agreed. The Writers sometimes create problems for themselves that they don't
need to. The zats for example. Why have them kill at all? Why 3 shots
disintergrate? What does that do that two shots don't?
Same with all the "healing technology" the military would have wanted that
stuff and they captured enough Gou'lds to tell them how the stuff worked.
And didn't the Asgard have similar abilities?
Martin
Er and coming through the Gate would be covert? You don't have to turn up in
a tank, even Quad bikes would be useful or even bikes. Hell they could even
take Micro lites with them for longer distances.
Why not send a few of the puddle jumpers back to Earth?
Ken Arromdee
jewahe <jew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>The whole scene would have been better served had they simply left out
>the line "you're really bad at this", which suggests that she isn't just
>asking Rodney out for a drink, but had some romantic interest in him.
What about the point where Rodney suggests they take off their clothes to
use as ropes and Sam complains, while she immediately starts to do it?
--
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"In a superhero story, Superman jumps off buildings and flies. In a realistic
story, Superman doesn't jump off buildings and can't fly. Deconstruction is
writing a story where Superman can't fly but he still jumps off of buildings."
Brian Henderson
> Actually a Stargate would be very useful to have. If you need to transport
> someone back to Atlantis or have Atlantis send someone to you or if you have
> an emergency on board. So long as you know where you are you can use it.
> There are plenty of planets where they could take a gate from.
Actually, that may cause a problem. A stargate's gate address isn't
static, if you move it from one place to another, it changes. Having
one on a moving ship means constantly having to revise the gate address
so anyone sending someone to you would have to be in communication with
you to find out what the current address is. I'd assume it would be
equally problematic to have a moving "origin" address when sending
someone out.
The only reason the halfway station works is because the gates are
stationary and stable.
--
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Jeffrey Kaplan
> > .. can't use them in flight,
>
> They can use them when they stop. Still better than not having a gate at
> all. It may also be possible to use a gate while the ship is moving,
> providing it is slow enough. But I could be wrong here.
A planet surface is in motion along multiple vectors simultaneously.
The stargate address system is, I believe, only accurate to the stellar
level: One (active) gate per solar system.
> > and they have transporters for the short hops?
> Which can be intercepted.
Never shown. The Gou'uld Ring transporters can be intercepted, because
they require both a transmitter unit and a receiver unit. The Asgard
transporters, which is what's used on the Earth ships, are more like
the Trek transporters, needing only a single transmitter/receiver unit,
the other end can be anywhere they can track.
--
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"What's our ETA?" "Two, three hours. All this technology, and it
still takes forever to get anywhere." (Cmdr. Ivanova and Marcus Cole,
B5 "The Summoning")
PV
>> Because they don't know how to make one from scratch,
>
>It's easy to get the few needed from a planet.
Apparently not so easy - the network to Atlantis used up a lot of gates,
and they said they were having a very hard time finding enough. The point
remains - they aren't a trivial thing to have on hand - you've got to find
a gate somewhere uninhabitable, or steal them from enemies.
>> .. can't use them in flight,
>
>They can use them when they stop. Still better than not having a gate at
>all. It may also be possible to use a gate while the ship is moving,
>providing it is slow enough. But I could be wrong here.
It depends where they are. Inbound wormholes would require an ever-changing
address, and we don't know if gates can work just anywhere outbound without
genius-level rewiring. All the ones that have been moved have been
extensively modified. On the other hand, there was the one Apophis had on
his flagship...
>> and they have transporters for the short hops?
>
>Which can be intercepted.
Doesn't matter, you can't use gates for short hops anyway.
>How many times has a ship been stranded with no way of getting back to
>Earth? If you have a gate onboard, you just dial home. Just this one point
>would be good enough for me.
OK, that's actually a really good point, and possible justification for
having a gate around if they can be made to work.
>> Jumpers have them because they fit inside the gate. A
>> whole capital ship, not so much.
>
>Not sure what you mean here, in the context it doesn't make sense to me.
>Jumpers have them - the gates? - because they fit inside the gate?
Jumpers have a remote DHD, not an actual gate. That was a badly written
sentence, sorry about that. What I mean to say is that it's fine for a
jumper to interface with a stargate, because it can go through. The big
capital ships can't do that, except in teeny tiny pieces. *
PV
>> "Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> writes:
>> >Yes and you could ask why they keep trying to shoot Wraith using crappy
>> >P90's and 9mm pistols.
>>
>> Because they make wraiths dead?
>
>Except that's a retcon. Originally you could blast a Wraith to pieces
>and the pieces would still live. Remember the arm scene ripped off
>(hah!) from THE THING (from another world)?
It's not a retcon, it's a contradiction. And we only saw that little event
once - wraiths were killed right from the first time we saw them.
>> >Why they don't have a Sarcophagus handy for emergencies,
>>
>> Because they have this little problem of turning you into an evil overlord?
>
>Not once or twice.
There's also the matter of the Tok'ra hating your guts for using them.
>> >Gou'ld healing devices,
>>
>> Because you have to have a goa'uld bits in you to make them work, and the
>> technology has a bad habit of turning corpses into zombies?
>
>Two words: Sam
Funny, I mentioned that in another post. Has she ever been shown to have
gotten better at using it? She's helped like one person ever, and couldn't
finish the job. And nobody else has been able to make them work at all as
far as we've seen.
>They were collecting Stargates at one point and had dozens of them on a
>ship, so it's not a supply problem.
I'm pretty sure they DID say it was a supply problem.
>> Because a diplomatic party driving up in noisy monster vehicles might look
>> a little aggressive, and for covert operations is about as subtle as a fart
>> in church? *
>
>Segways.
So you look like a dork instead? They're not all that practical out in the
wild, and have pretty crappy range. Years ago I saw a video of a prototype
made for cross country use, but I don't know if they ever produced it. *
PV
>Why not send a few of the puddle jumpers back to Earth?
Fair question, and they may well have since SG-1 ended (we do know of at
least one in control of stargate command). *
Joetheone
Ancient stuff and used it, which is probably why anybody anywhere can jump
in any ship and fly it like an ace. They were completely stagnant. They use
the same weapons and tech they were using 5000 years ago. They didn't even
change their style of dress.
I suppose it's as realistic as there being a Stargte at all, but...
Joetheone
> "PV" <pv+u...@pobox.com> wrote in message
> news:13r11aa...@news.supernews.com...
>> "Martin" <non...@nonhere.com> writes:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>why no Stargate carried on the Earth ships,
>>
>> Because they don't know how to make one from scratch,
>
> It's easy to get the few needed from a planet.
>
>> .. can't use them in flight,
>
> They can use them when they stop. Still better than not having a gate at
> all. It may also be possible to use a gate while the ship is moving,
> providing it is slow enough. But I could be wrong here.
>
>> and they have transporters for the short hops?
>
> Which can be intercepted.
>
>> What would the point of a stargate be?
>
> How many times has a ship been stranded with no way of getting back to
> Earth? If you have a gate onboard, you just dial home. Just this one point
> would be good enough for me.
>
>> Jumpers have them because they fit inside the gate. A
>> whole capital ship, not so much.
>
> Not sure what you mean here, in the context it doesn't make sense to me.
> Jumpers have them - the gates? - because they fit inside the gate?
>
> Eva
> --
Martin
"Brian Henderson" <BrianL.H...@NOSPAM.verizon.net> wrote in message
news:kc4sj.1495$r03.884@trnddc08...
Sorry but you miss the point. Yes the ship has to be stopped for the gate
system to work. However, revising the ships gate address would be easy as it
would be taken from the ships navigational computer, this sort of thing is
already done with military aircraft and aircraft carriers to update their
nav systems.
Once you dialed Earth you transmit your co-ordinates Earth can the dial you
back (a bit like reversing the charges on a telephone call)
How often have we had episodes where a ship has had to find the nearest
planet with a gate (DUH!) to contact Earth or Atlantis?
Think of the episode at the start of Season 3 where they were stranded after
battling the Wraith, had the Earth ship had a Gate they could have simply
dialed up Atlantis for help.
All you need is to be able to find your position in space (not that hard)
and have an energy source and you can evacuate all your crew OR bring spare
parts to the ship.
Joetheone
"Jeffrey Kaplan" <nom...@gordol.org> wrote in message
news:t2l1r39pjs2vh5lem...@gordol.org...
> Previously on alt.tv.stargate-atlantis, Eva said:
>
>> > .. can't use them in flight,
>>
>> They can use them when they stop. Still better than not having a gate at
>> all. It may also be possible to use a gate while the ship is moving,
>> providing it is slow enough. But I could be wrong here.
>
> A planet surface is in motion along multiple vectors simultaneously.
> The stargate address system is, I believe, only accurate to the stellar
> level: One (active) gate per solar system.
>
Don't know about the one per system, but in the first show, they showed that
the reason they hadn't been able to get anywhere was because they weren't
allowing for planetary drift. Carter found the key in the temple on Little
Egypt, where the movie was (Name just flew out of my head) and that's how
the Stargate Program really got started.
Abados, wasn't it?
Joetheone
"erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:drache-0FF9A1....@news.airstreamcomm.net...
> In article <fopphb$ie3$2$8302...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> "David Chapman" <jedit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From the Collected Witterings of erilar, volume 23:
>> > In article <13qtace...@corp.supernews.com>,
>> > A Watcher <stoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Pretty good for a non-scifi episode. The interaction between the
>> >> characters was fun, especially Rodney's communication problems. He
>> >> came
>> >> through in the end, though.
>> >
>> > He did? You mean because he didn't just let go of the rope?
>>
>> Well, yeah. Rodney isn't an alpha male type; Sam is probably right at
>> the
>> limit of his lifting capacity. And yet despite being in extreme pain, he
>> still held onto the rope long enough for her to reach safety. If that's
>> not
>> "coming through", what the fuck is?
>
> Well, obviously, he tied the rope to something to get down himself. . .
>
> --
> Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)
>
do that to lower someone who can't help theirself.
When he lowered Sam, he did take a turn around the beam, which helped, but
it would still hurt like a bastard.
Martin
Where in the Pegasus Galaxy or ours? I always thought there were planty of
planets with Stargates that were on planets that were no longer habitable
(for example the one that the Russian soldier got sent to when he had
Annubis inside him and the one from Wormhole extreme being two examples of
uninhabited planets) and if you also remember Jack put in a load more Gate
addresses than the Gou'ld knew about (5th Race)
In the Pegasus Galaxy, there appear to be plenty of gates that are in use
where no one lives (including planets where the human populations have been
wiped out by the Replicators) so getting hold of at least a handful of Gates
should be easy enough.