Morally Questionable Acts By SGU People So Far
Tim Bruening
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Everett Young: Cheating on his wife before the series began.
Beating up Telford (twice, in "Life") and Rush, and stranding Rush on a
desert planet.
Rush: Conducting a risky Stargate experiment in the middle of a battle
(Air 1), sabotaging an experiment (Earth) and framing Young for Murder
(Dec 4 episode). Kidnapping Eli (Air 1).
Telford: Partying with the wife of another man (Life) and telling her
lies about her husband.
Chloe: Getting drunk in another woman's body (Earth).
Greer: Punching Telford (before the series), denying Rush water (Air 3).
For officers in the U.S. military, Young and Telford are sure behaving
badly! What has happened to their military discipline? The creators
will need a good explanation for their anti-social behavior, such as
them being affected by the commstones. After all, they are
protagonists.
whodunit
Attacking Spencer in an OTT manner.
>
> Beating up Telford (twice, in "Life") and Rush, and stranding Rush on a
> desert planet.
>
> Rush: Conducting a risky Stargate experiment in the middle of a battle
> (Air 1), sabotaging an experiment (Earth) and framing Young for Murder
> (Dec 4 episode). Kidnapping Eli (Air 1).
>
> Telford: Partying with the wife of another man (Life) and telling her
> lies about her husband.
"Partying"-not. Befriending, yes. What 'lies' has he told her about her
husband? AFAIK, he's only withheld information that the commstones'
glitches allowed him to be 'intimate' with her.
>
> Chloe: Getting drunk in another woman's body (Earth).
>
> Greer: Punching Telford (before the series), denying Rush water (Air 3).
>
> For officers in the U.S. military, Young and Telford are sure behaving
> badly! What has happened to their military discipline? The creators
> will need a good explanation for their anti-social behavior, such as
> them being affected by the commstones. After all, they are
> protagonists.
>
Are they? From the way the show is filmed, we are witnessing Eli's
'documentary'...
Pete B
tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us says...
Don't forget he lies to be able to beat up telford. They thought it was
the scientist Volker who had stoned back - but apparently young had
tanken his place. And young then pretended to be Volker
Jette Goldie
> Chloe: Getting drunk in another woman's body (Earth).
>
>
Definite plus for the visitor - the host body gets the hangover!
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Legend-11
In part the rule book is out of the window. Yes, they're trying to stick
to the basic military command structure, but I wouldn't for a minute
expect them to behave as they would were they not stranded across the
far reaches of the universe - i.e. completely by the book. It is a law
unto itself now. I also think it is far more realistic like this.
Remember Woolsey discovering how hard it was to stay by the book in
Atlantis? After years of IOA face pulling over Weir's deviations from
the rule book? Well, with that in mind, it is nothing we haven't seen
before. The same principle is in play, but it is a lot more gritty, down
and dirty.
No explanation is owing as far as I'm concerned, I have my answer why.
--
Legend-11.
"Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence" - Leonard
'Bones' McCoy, Star Trek (2009).
D. Stussy
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Telford (the easiest to explain): He's simply an arrogant asshole who got
promoted because of his skills as a pilot. He was selected to lead the
mission probably because there was a good chance it would be a one-way
mission and someone wanted to get rid of him, and he was too pompous to say
no.
Young: Considering Emily, who'd want to cheat on her, but considering TJ,
who wouldn't? As for his other traits, he probably made Colonel because
the AF didn't have anyone else for the needed billet at the time. He
certainly won't be getting his star.
Rush: Rush is an egocentric asshole who deserved some of the crap he's
been put through, but to be stranded, even that's a bit harsh. Rush was
the most skilled expert and therefore mission/survival critical even if
he's become a detriment and a troublemaker. Just lock him up and give
Greer the key!
Greer: On a mission to make "whitey" pay back for slavery and stuff. The
only thing he hasn't demanded is his mule and 40 acres.
Tim Bruening
whodunit wrote:
Emily said that she knew that her husband was still cheating on her aboard the
Destiny. Telford is the only person connected with Destiny (besides Everett
Young) who has visited her, so I assume that he told her. So does Young.
Tim Bruening
Legend-11 wrote:
Telford is still on Earth, so HE should still be going by the book, which I
assume would include the rule "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife".
Telford's trying to woo Emily does nothing to help the Destiny mission.
Tim Bruening
"D. Stussy" wrote:
Who was plotting against Telford? Might Young offer to help Telford defeat
that person in return for Telford returning his wife to him?
> Young: Considering Emily, who'd want to cheat on her, but considering TJ,
> who wouldn't? As for his other traits, he probably made Colonel because
> the AF didn't have anyone else for the needed billet at the time. He
> certainly won't be getting his star.
For alternate Young mates, I nominate the IOA chick and Scott's almost
girlfriend. Sadly, Chloe is already spoken for.
>
> Rush: Rush is an egocentric asshole who deserved some of the crap he's
> been put through, but to be stranded, even that's a bit harsh. Rush was
> the most skilled expert and therefore mission/survival critical even if
> he's become a detriment and a troublemaker. Just lock him up and give
> Greer the key!
>
> Greer: On a mission to make "whitey" pay back for slavery and stuff. The
> only thing he hasn't demanded is his mule and 40 acres.
Spencer: Hoarding food.
Legend-11
Did you not hear her say that they're just "friends"? ;)
OK then, Telford's behaviour aside. However, even taking his behaviour
into consideration, this show is a more realistic show...and not
everyone who pulls on the uniform in real life behaves impeccably. Many
of the armed forces have such transgressions....they're just human, with
the same weaknesses as the rest of humanity. There also isn't a code of
practice that the creators have subscribed to that says they only have
to show us good, upstanding members of the military.
"Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife"? Methinks you're getting the
bible and the Air Force rule book mixed up there, my friend. :)
Legend-11
Greer is great. A top character and a fine, upstanding airman. I
certainly haven't seen this racially motivated chip on his shoulder that
you elude to.
DevilsPGD
<tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> was claimed to have wrote:
>Telford is still on Earth, so HE should still be going by the book, which I
>assume would include the rule "Thou Shalt Not Covet Thy Neighbor's Wife".
>Telford's trying to woo Emily does nothing to help the Destiny mission.
Where are Telford and Young relative to each other on the chain of
command?
Tim Bruening
Legend-11 wrote:
Young didn't appear to believe her! Also, they were drinking wine, which made it
appear that they were more than just friends. Emily said that Telford had been
providing emotional support. Progressing to sex seems a likely scenario.
Tim Bruening
DevilsPGD wrote:
IIRC, they are both Colonels.
Tim Bruening
whodunit wrote:
It sure looked romantic to me (and to Young)!
D. Stussy
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> D. Stussy wrote:
> > ...
> > Greer: On a mission to make "whitey" pay back for slavery and stuff.
The
> > only thing he hasn't demanded is his mule and 40 acres.
>
> Greer is great. A top character and a fine, upstanding airman. I
> certainly haven't seen this racially motivated chip on his shoulder that
> you elude to.
Look carefully. Didn't Greer's uniform identify him as a Marine, not AF
SF? (Perhaps a mistake in "Justice"....)
Chet Weaver
"Legend-11" <Slith...@dropallthisgooglemail.com> wrote in message
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> D. Stussy wrote:
>>
>> The
>> only thing he hasn't demanded is his mule and 40 acres.
>>
>>
>
> Greer is great. A top character and a fine, upstanding airman. I certainly
> haven't seen this racially motivated chip on his shoulder that you elude
> to.
>
subjected to were the kind that were done to his people for looking at white
women. Not exactly the first thing that comes across *my* mind, but then
again I'm not black. An apt comparison, to be sure, but some might think it
suggests a racially-motivated chip.
-- Chet Weaver
F�achad�ir
wrote:
It suggested a finely honed bullshit detector that could spot a
witchhunt masquerading as a court.
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Chet Weaver
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white people used to treat black people more concise than a single word that
means pretty much the same thing?
-- Chet Weaver
Bert Hyman
<zero...@aim.com> wrote:
> What makes an entire sentence about how white people used to treat
> black people more concise than a single word that means pretty much
> the same thing?
I really doubt that the goal of most drama writers is to be "concise."
We now know just a little bit more about the background and motivations
of this character.
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F�achad�ir
wrote:
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>"F�achad�ir" <F�ach@d.�ir> wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2009 16:22:21 -0800, "Chet Weaver" <zero...@aim.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Just last the last episode he said that the kind of trial Young was being
>>>subjected to were the kind that were done to his people for looking at
>>>white
>>>women. Not exactly the first thing that comes across *my* mind, but then
>>>again I'm not black. An apt comparison, to be sure, but some might think
>>>it
>>>suggests a racially-motivated chip.
>>
>> It suggested a finely honed bullshit detector that could spot a
>> witchhunt masquerading as a court.
>>
>Then why not call it a witchhunt? What makes an entire sentence about how
>white people used to treat black people more concise than a single word that
>means pretty much the same thing?
It fits his character and background. Nice liberal white folks who
remember McCarthy say Witchhunt.
Legend-11
Oh yes, I totally missed that. I just assumed he was air force.
Chet Weaver
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people say witchhunt? Oh, except Jews, who compare everything to the
Holocaust. And I suppose an Asian American would've compared it to an
internment camp? I suppose Native Americans have such reservations, too, if
you'll pardon the pun. I suppose it stands to reason, seeing as how
something that happened to your race is closer to personal experience than
something that happened to another and would be easier to refer back to.
I'm just saying that if the writer's didn't want him to express the
slightest bit of animosity towards Caucasians, they wouldn't have had him
say it. I don't think he's all "Kill whitey," I'm just saying it might be
what lead D. Stussy to think he was.
-- Chet Weaver
F�achad�ir
wrote:
No, not white people. Liberal white folks. Rednecks need not apply :)
>Oh, except Jews, who compare everything to the
>Holocaust. And I suppose an Asian American would've compared it to an
>internment camp? I suppose Native Americans have such reservations, too, if
>you'll pardon the pun. I suppose it stands to reason, seeing as how
>something that happened to your race is closer to personal experience than
>something that happened to another and would be easier to refer back to.
>I'm just saying that if the writer's didn't want him to express the
>slightest bit of animosity towards Caucasians, they wouldn't have had him
>say it. I don't think he's all "Kill whitey," I'm just saying it might be
>what lead D. Stussy to think he was.
Stussy might think so, but I don't think that's how he's written.
Mostly he's written as a good soldier, despite hints of disciplinary
problems.