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Citizen G'Kar
say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the average
for Trek
TOS- 7
TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
VOY- 9.
I guess they learned from the mistake of having too many regulars in
Voyager.
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> Apart from still being set on a ship as I said (and not on planet as
> some
> say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the
> average
> for Trek
>
> TOS- 7
> TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
> DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
> VOY- 9.
>
> I guess they learned from the mistake of having too many regulars in
> Voyager.
>
Tough to simply break down numbers like that.....TOS really only had the
big three. The others were never anything other than supporting
players. Besides, counting those supporting players, you could just as
easily make is 8 (Nurse Chapel).
TNG... after the "cut" to 7, features several semi-regulars... Guinan,
O'Brien, Keiko.
DS9 only had 7-8 regulars..... but they made so much use of
semi-regulars! Nog and Rom were in almost every episode towards the
end, and were even featured in episodes. (Plus Garak, plus of course
Morn!). One could easily say that in any given season, DS9 had 10+
feature characters.
And as to Voyager.... By these numbers, it would appear to have the most
regular characters, but I would point out that it makes the least use of
semi-regulars. Other than Naomi, there haven't been any semi-regulars
since the first couple of seasons (and in flashbacks to those seasons).
It's a shame, I always hoped that the Twins would make recurring
appearances.
IMHO, lots of semi-regular characters add lots of flavor to Trek,
especially since TPTB are willing to experiment and take risks with
non-regular characters; things they would never do with a regular
character. (No regular character would ever be as morally shaded and
complex as Garak, no single-shot villain could ever be as complex as
Dukat, etc).
-Havoc
Bozo the Evil Klown
>Apart from still being set on a ship as I said (and not on planet as some
>say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the average
>for Trek
>
>TOS- 7
>TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
>DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
>VOY- 9.
>
>I guess they learned from the mistake of having too many regulars in
>Voyager.
Have they learned yet from the mistake of having burned-out chimpanzees writing
and producing the show??
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conANDave
message news:01bfe13b$84e84d80$LocalHost@lgwujvnl...
: Apart from still being set on a ship as I said (and not on planet as some
: say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the
average
: for Trek
:
: TOS- 7
: TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
: DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
As for DS9, only 7? Sisko, Jake, Kira, O'Brien, Bashir, Quark, Odo, Dax.
That's 8. Count Worf, and it's 9.
Bill Crawford
Klown) wrote:
>G'Kar doth write thus:
>
>>Apart from still being set on a ship as I said (and not on planet as some
>>say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the average
>>for Trek
>>
>>TOS- 7
>>TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
>>DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
>>VOY- 9.
>>
>>I guess they learned from the mistake of having too many regulars in
>>Voyager.
>
>Have they learned yet from the mistake of having burned-out chimpanzees writing
>and producing the show??
I doubt it, Big Clown. Right now, Brannon Braga is probably shining
up his massive Finnish electronic shotgun bong in preparation...
- Will, eating some Dots (tm)
Citizen G'Kar
conANDave <cona...@email.com> wrote in article
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> "Citizen G'Kar" <Na...@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:01bfe13b$84e84d80$LocalHost@lgwujvnl...
> : Apart from still being set on a ship as I said (and not on planet as
some
> : say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the
> average
> : for Trek
> :
> : TOS- 7
> : TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
> : DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
>
> As for DS9, only 7? Sisko, Jake, Kira, O'Brien, Bashir, Quark, Odo, Dax.
> That's 8. Count Worf, and it's 9.
Oops - forgot Jake, since he has so few episodes!
conANDave
: Oops - forgot Jake, since he has so few episodes!
Come on! Jake was a major part of two of DS9's best episodes: The Visitor
and ...Nor the Battle to the Strong. (at least, they're my personal #1 and
#2 all time favorite DS9 episodes, respectively.)
Zabana Brandon
> DS9- 7 until Worf made it 8
I take it you're not counting Jake?
Citizen G'Kar
Bozo the Evil Klown <evilk...@aol.comedy> wrote
> >
> >I guess they learned from the mistake of having too many regulars in
> >Voyager.
>
> Have they learned yet from the mistake of having burned-out chimpanzees
writing
> and producing the show??
>
No.
Citizen G'Kar
conANDave <cona...@email.com> wrote in article
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I said few, not none.
conANDave
: I said few, not none.
What he's lacked in quantity, he's made up in quality.
Francis Martinstein
wrote in article <yxx65.9033$i5.1...@news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com>:
> "Citizen G'Kar" <Na...@allEXCEPTSPAMisurvey.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in
> message news:01bfe159$adce9880$c343883e@lgwujvnl...
> : Oops - forgot Jake, since he has so few episodes!
>
> Come on! Jake was a major part of two of DS9's best episodes: The Visitor
> and ...Nor the Battle to the Strong. (at least, they're my personal #1 and
> #2 all time favorite DS9 episodes, respectively.)
I feel that one scene with the dying Star Fleet Trooper sums
up that episode best: <BLAAARRRRRRGHHHH!> Horrid, simply horrid.
Francis M'stein (replace 'Wonderland' with 'nl' to e-mail...)
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BRETNTRACI
????
1. Kirk
2. Spock
2. McCoy
4. Scotty
5. Sulu
6. Uhura
7. Rand (season 1) Chekov (seasons 2-3)
8. Chapel
Citizen G'Kar
BRETNTRACI <bretn...@aol.com> wrote in article
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Rand and Chapel aren't regulars.
havoc
> BRETNTRACI <bretn...@aol.com> wrote in article
> <20000629200828...@ng-fq1.aol.com>...
> > >TOS- 7
> >
> > ????
> > 1. Kirk
> > 2. Spock
> > 2. McCoy
> > 4. Scotty
> > 5. Sulu
> > 6. Uhura
> > 7. Rand (season 1) Chekov (seasons 2-3)
> > 8. Chapel
>
> Rand and Chapel aren't regulars.
>
Not during the movies, but during the series they were just as much
regulars as Chekov, Uhura and Sulu. Arguably, Scotty was the only true
"regular" character ourside of the big three. Surely Chapel, with her
love for Spock, had *more* character development than Sulu and Chekov.
-Havoc
Ann Johnson
"Bozo the Evil Klown" <evilk...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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> G'Kar doth write thus:
>
> >say), the number of regulars in the cast has been set at seven- the
average
> >for Trek
> >
> >TOS- 7
> >TNG- 9 counting Pestly and Tasha, but 7 for its best years
> >
> >I guess they learned from the mistake of having too many regulars in
> >Voyager.
>
> Have they learned yet from the mistake of having burned-out chimpanzees
writing
> and producing the show??
No. Actually, the show started to go downhill when they fired the
chimpanzees.
Ann Johnson
"conANDave" <cona...@email.com> wrote in message
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> : I said few, not none.
>
> What he's lacked in quantity, he's made up in quality.
I agree. There was also a wonderful chemistry between the Jake and Ben
characters. And gramps, too. Three wonderful actors playing three
generations of men who could hug and express their feelings. A lot of depth
and class.
Stephen Voss
> Tough to simply break down numbers like that.....TOS really only had the
> big three. The others were never anything other than supporting
> players. Besides, counting those supporting players, you could just as
> easily make is 8 (Nurse Chapel).
I would consider Nurse Chapel a regular since she had good quality
dramatic scenes and she an episode that focused on her past even when
Chekov or Sulu did not.
> TNG... after the "cut" to 7, features several semi-regulars... Guinan,
> O'Brien, Keiko.
>
> DS9 only had 7-8 regulars..... but they made so much use of
> semi-regulars! Nog and Rom were in almost every episode towards the
> end, and were even featured in episodes. (Plus Garak, plus of course
> Morn!). One could easily say that in any given season, DS9 had 10+
> feature characters.
The main quality that made a series great was great villains.
TOS had many great villains Kang, Kor, Squire of Gothos, Khan
TOS movies that succeeded had great villains too.
II- had Khan, the greatest most hammiest villain in science fiction history.
I truly believed Ricardo Montalban deserved a best supporting actor
nomination.
I mean even William Shatner probably did the best performance of his career
in this
movie.
I, III, V had lousy villains
VI- Had General Chang, That shape changer played by Iman,and Valeris. A
pretty good assortment of villains
TNG
The Next Generation had mostly lame one shot villains and political correct
redeemables
until the borg came around with the exception of Q who was not so much a
true villain
as he was an antagonist.
TNG movies
Generations- Dr. Soran was a decent villain ruined by a lousy script
First Contact- Probably one of the best Star Trek movies
Insurrection- A piece of crap movie with unmemorable villains.
DS9
Dukat- A really good villain until the demon possession crap came about.
Julianna Feigl
Chapel was only in three eps in season 1, but she appeared pretty
often in the second season, so there is a point about her being as
much of a semi-regular as Sulu (who was absent for half of season 2,
filming "The Green Berets").
Rand, OTOH, was only in the first half of season 1
Julianna
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