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Frosty

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Sep 22, 2011, 2:32:53 PM9/22/11
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Well I ran through all of Voyagers 7 eps. Took a couple months but it's
done.

I rather enjoyed it, perhaps more then TNG which I have seen complete
several times. After a while you just get sick of every TNG ep being 75%
about something with a 25% second storyline.

There were 2 slow points in the series. I did not much care for the 3rd
season and the first half of season 7. You know when they over do ridges on
a nose in consecutive eps that they are in a slump.

Seasons 4/5 were the best and I loved how nearly every episode has a ending
that is just writer perfect. That might be the signature point of the show,
the last 15 seconds of each show.

Cutting Kes for 7 was a genius move. I liked the Pixie too but when she
start going Wesly on us...

Best and worst moment?

For best I might have to pick the ending of the episode where Michael McKean
was the clown. Neelix leaving the ship in the 3rd last ep also comes up. I
need a tissue. Also in the ep where they are in the Captain Proton uverse
there's a scene where Tom yells out to Janeway before she enters it,
"Remember, you're the Queen!"

For the worst, the one that comes to mind is the ending where the Captain
and Tom becomes lizards and mate and the Doctor somehow brings them back to
human form.

Bonus Weirdest Moment: 7 is talking to the Captain and Doctor in SickBay and
the Captain just starts picking her nails while her pupils retract. It's
like Kate Mulgrew was having an out-of-body experience. Only about 5-10
seconds long.

Comments on the final ep: Disappointed. Okay I'll let the mobile emitter
from the future stay otherwise a larger number of good Doctor eps are lost
but to have a future Janeway(pulling a Harry Kim from an earlier ep) give
them anti-Borg weapons and shielding?. They could have left the future
Janeway out completely and just set up a storyline about the destroying the
Borg transwarp conduit(did i just say that?) as it opens to Earth. Not even
Tom's Dad bothers to say Hi Son. I'm thinking it's a trend among ST not to
end a series on a great note. Another hour could have been added.


Robin Miller

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Sep 24, 2011, 2:13:01 AM9/24/11
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Frosty wrote:
> Well I ran through all of Voyagers 7 eps. Took a couple months but it's
> done.
>
> I rather enjoyed it, perhaps more then TNG which I have seen complete
> several times. After a while you just get sick of every TNG ep being 75%
> about something with a 25% second storyline.


I thought Voyager was pretty good, and that the show got a bum rap
overall. I'm not sure why a lot of people, or at least some pretty vocal
people, disliked it so much.

--Robin

Zombie Elvis

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Sep 26, 2011, 8:04:22 PM9/26/11
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Part of it was that we felt betrayed. The Voyager we were promised was
far different from the show we got. We were promised a much darker
series with much more conflict with Voyager being a small ship 70
years away from home with a mixed crew of Starfleet officers and
Maquis rebels. Instead, most of the conflicts were resolved within a
couple of episodes and Voyager always seemed to have plenty of energy
and an infinite supply of shuttlecraft. Far too often, Voyager felt
like more of the same old recycled Star Trek formula instead of like
something new.
--
"Please captain, not in front of the Klingons."
-- Spock

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Sep 27, 2011, 12:14:28 AM9/27/11
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In article <kd42879lkto6bcrs4...@4ax.com>, Zombie Elvis
<DELETErobe...@ameritech.net> wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Sep 2011 01:13:01 -0500, Robin Miller
> <compl...@invalid.com> wrote:
>
> >Frosty wrote:
> >> Well I ran through all of Voyagers 7 eps. Took a couple months but it's
> >> done.
> >>
> >> I rather enjoyed it, perhaps more then TNG which I have seen complete
> >> several times. After a while you just get sick of every TNG ep being 75%
> >> about something with a 25% second storyline.
> >
> >
> >I thought Voyager was pretty good, and that the show got a bum rap
> >overall. I'm not sure why a lot of people, or at least some pretty vocal
> >people, disliked it so much.
>
> Part of it was that we felt betrayed. The Voyager we were promised was
> far different from the show we got. We were promised a much darker
> series with much more conflict with Voyager being a small ship 70
> years away from home with a mixed crew of Starfleet officers and
> Maquis rebels. Instead, most of the conflicts were resolved within a
> couple of episodes and Voyager always seemed to have plenty of energy
> and an infinite supply of shuttlecraft. Far too often, Voyager felt
> like more of the same old recycled Star Trek formula instead of like
> something new.

If it was "new" then it wouldn't have been Star Trek. If it had been "more
of the same old recycled Star Trek formula" then it would have been an
ill-fitting mess like "Enterpise".

Fans liked "Star Trek" the way it was, that's why they're called fans. If
people want to make or watch something "new" or if a franchise is
(supposedly) "tired", then go an make / watch something actually NEW, and
leave the existing franchise to the fans and eventually history.

What you should never, never, ever, ever do it butcher something trying to
make it into something that it's not. "Jumping the shark" is almost always
the sign of a dead show or franchise, and often it's at that point that
the final nail in th coffin is hammered in.

Being the same and fitting in with what has come before (including the
style) is what makes it a franchise a set or "unvierse". This whole idea
of shows having to change and grow up is simply silly ... no doubt there's
some moron out there wondering why there's no "grown up" version of Barney
and Seasme Street by now. :-\

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