Is Janeway wearing a wig in Caretaker?
DBR
Shammie wrote in message <19990913235545...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>I'm watching it right now.
>Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
>It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
>Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
>Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
>
>
>
I just watched it a while ago, myself... only for the first time. I think
Janeway's hair is just died, or highlighted. It couldn't possibly be a wig,
it's too...... real. >=^{0)
David B.
>
> I'm watching it right now.
> Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
> It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
> Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
> Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
I belive that it's a wig. I have the first issue of the Starlog Voyager
magazine and it shows Kate Mulgrew as Janeway with short hair (the pics
are from "Caretaker"). I doubt that they waited for it to grow before
they filmed the pilot. So it must be a wig.
FIVESPAWN
Shammie <sham...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990913235545...@ng-cj1.aol.com...
> I'm watching it right now.
> Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
> It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
Thinking back, I remember how optimistic I'd been when I saw this premier.
Right from the getgo I could feel how much potential the show had. I kept
thinking, "Wow, this is going to be the best Trek ever, not like that boring
Deep Suck Nine!" I was glad I was wrong about DS9, so why am I so sad
thinking about this?
> Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
> Anyone know?
Dunno, don't really care. For some reason, I kept thinking of Julianna a
lot after each Tuvok scene.
> Gotta go, commercial's over..
Oh.
Shammie
Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
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Chris Whitehead
: I'm watching it right now.
: Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
: It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
: Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
: Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
Doesn't look wiggish to me...
Amazing what a difference 5 years makes. :)
Kim and Paris look so young!
Torres looks Klingon!
Beltran looks like an actor!!!
Chris W.
(Currently watching "Caretaker, Part 1")
Lynton Fletcher
>
> Beltran looks like an actor!!!
>
Before each Voy shoot, Beltran says:
"
ACHOOOCHIIIIMOYA!
I am far from the bones of my ancestors!
I wish to act!
"
Cheers,
Lynton Fletcher
Julianna Feigl
>
> Shammie (sham...@aol.com) wrote:
> : I'm watching it right now.
> : Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
> : It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
> : Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
> : Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
>
> Doesn't look wiggish to me...
at least part of it had to be fake, since she had pretty short hair at
that time
> Amazing what a difference 5 years makes. :)
>
> Kim and Paris look so young!
>
> Torres looks Klingon!
>
> Beltran looks like an actor!!!
LOL!
You forgot:
Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
Julianna
--------
Tuvok:
neglected, ignored, abused, forgotten - but the best nevertheless!
Shammie
>I just watched it a while ago, myself... only for the first time.
How'd you like it?
I think
>Janeway's hair is just died, or highlighted. It couldn't possibly be a wig,
>it's too...... real. >=^{0)
The hairline looked....glued down to me.
Shammie
>I belive that it's a wig. I have the first issue of the Starlog Voyager
>magazine and it shows Kate Mulgrew as Janeway with short hair (the pics
>are from "Caretaker"). I doubt that they waited for it to grow before
>they filmed the pilot. So it must be a wig.
So there it is!
Thanks, David.
Shammie
>Doesn't look wiggish to me...
>
>Amazing what a difference 5 years makes. :)
>
>Kim and Paris look so young!
>
>Torres looks Klingon!
>
>Beltran looks like an actor!!!
I know! I know! I know!
>Chris W.
>(Currently watching "Caretaker, Part 1")
Wasn't it fun?
Wavemaker
FIVESPAWN wrote in message <#d9hTZu$#GA.238@cpmsnbbsa03>...
>
>Thinking back, I remember how optimistic I'd been when I saw this premier.
>Right from the getgo I could feel how much potential the show had. I kept
>thinking, "Wow, this is going to be the best Trek ever, not like that
boring
>Deep Suck Nine!" I was glad I was wrong about DS9, so why am I so sad
>thinking about this?
Maybe you don't think Voyager has lived up to your expectations?
When I first started watching Voyager, I wasn't sure what to expect. The
casting didn't really impress me much then, but I did think the premise was
really cool. Having a Star Trek ship thrown across the galaxy was a great
way for them to carry on the tradition of "seeking out new life and new
civilizations." It seemed like the perfect chance for them to push the
boundaries of the imagination. There have been some standout eps here and
there in this regard, but for the most part I don't think Voyager has lived
up to its potential.
>> Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a
wig.
>> Anyone know?
>
>Dunno, don't really care. For some reason, I kept thinking of Julianna a
>lot after each Tuvok scene.
And after each Harry scene do you think about yourself?
>> Gotta go, commercial's over..
>
>Oh.
Indeed.
Empress of The Unknown
>Chris Whitehead wrote:
>>
>> Shammie (sham...@aol.com) wrote:
>> : I'm watching it right now.
>> : Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
>> : It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
>> : Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a
>wig.
>> : Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
>>
>> Doesn't look wiggish to me...
>
>at least part of it had to be fake, since she had pretty short hair at
>that time
>
>> Amazing what a difference 5 years makes. :)
>>
>> Kim and Paris look so young!
>>
>> Torres looks Klingon!
>>
>> Beltran looks like an actor!!!
>
>LOL!
>
>You forgot:
>Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
<clears throat> Um.. *Kes* did, too..
.-~*~-.
Jup
I control The Land of Dreams, The Unseen, & That Which Lies Beyond The
Invisible..
-----
"Sometimes you had to make up your mind that something was
worth doing and then do it, no matter what the consequences."
-Kes's thoughts,Pathways
Shammie
>Thinking back, I remember how optimistic I'd been when I saw this premier.
Right from the getgo I could feel how much potential the show had. I kept
thinking, "Wow, this is going to be the best Trek ever, not like that boring
Deep Suck Nine!"
Same here!
> I was glad I was wrong about DS9, so why am I so sad
thinking about this?
You need some lunch?
> For some reason, I kept thinking of Julianna a
lot after each Tuvok scene.
He had so much potential!! :-(((
>> Gotta go, commercial's over..
>Oh.
Exactly.
Vigo the Carpathian a.k.a. RH
>>You forgot:
>>Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
>
><clears throat> Um.. *Kes* did, too..
>
>
Not to mention Torres also had more to do than she does now (granted she does
still get more to do than Tuvok, who also rules, but not by much IMO).
And the show was more than just 3 guys, 2 girls, a hologram, a tree, a clown, 2
gigantic breasts, and a starship.
Vigo the Carpathian a.k.a. RH a.k.a. Wesley Crusher
(real designation Kevin R. Himpelmann)
"I demand an explanation!"
"For what?"
"Wesley."
"Uhm...inbreeding?"
-Cordelia and Xander
Buffy the Vampire Slayer "Graduation Day, Part 2"
Vigo the Carpathian a.k.a. RH
could tape "Caretaker". I was going crazy waiting for it to start. Finally
the moment came. I pressed "record" and was on my way to the Delta Quadrant.
I remember nearly every detail about the episode despite the fact that I have
not seen it in years (I accidentally taped over it. Doh!). To this day, my
favorite moment comes at the beginning when the Maquis are in the Badlands
trying to get away from the Cardassians and Chuckles shouts over to Torres "Be
creative." To which she responds "How am I supposed to be 'creative' with a
thirty-nine year old rebuilt engine?"
My second fav. part being after the Doc first gets activated and he asks for a
Tricorder and they absently hand him a regular science tricorder.
Okay, I'm done.
DBR
Vigo the Carpathian a.k.a. RH wrote in message
<19990914171123...@ng-cm1.aol.com>...
>I remember January 16, 1995 very well. My dad had just bought a new vcr
so I
>could tape "Caretaker". I was going crazy waiting for it to start.
Finally
>the moment came. I pressed "record" and was on my way to the Delta
Quadrant.
>I remember nearly every detail about the episode despite the fact that I
have
>not seen it in years (I accidentally taped over it. Doh!). To this day,
my
>favorite moment comes at the beginning when the Maquis are in the Badlands
>trying to get away from the Cardassians and Chuckles shouts over to
Torres "Be
>creative." To which she responds "How am I supposed to be 'creative' with
a
>thirty-nine year old rebuilt engine?"
>My second fav. part being after the Doc first gets activated and he asks
for a
>Tricorder and they absently hand him a regular science tricorder.
>
>Okay, I'm done.
>
>
>
Uh....
Now you're beginning to scare me.
--
"To infinity and beyond!"
John J Buck
reason is this: After filming of Caretaker, Kate changed hair styles.
However, they had to go back and reshoot portions of "Caretaker" after her
hair was cut. So, they made a wig for her.
The reshot scenes are mostly in the underground city and the climb up the
stairs and at the opening on the planet surface.
Shammie wrote in message <19990913235545...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>I'm watching it right now.
>Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
>It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
>Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
>Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
>
>
Vigo the Carpathian a.k.a. RH
>Uh....
>
>Now you're beginning to scare me.
you know, you're the third person to say that to me today.
Wavemaker
> > (Chris Whitehead) says
>
> >: Wasn't it fun?
> >
> >Absolutely!
>
> Part 2 kicked major ass!!!
> Chakotay was excellent and he had a lot more gray hair. Neelix was
terrific! He
> hadn't yet become that weezy pain-in-the-butt ass kisser, Kes was simply
> lovely,
You know, I kinda felt sad watching her after yours, Steve's and Flinx's
report. I keep wondering what went wrong.
Janeway DEFINITELY had a wig on in several scenes. Kim and Torres were
> adorable together, that's who they should have coupled up.
I think you might be right. And Harry looked so young there. Almost like a
teenager.
Tuvok was da man!
> And the doc was getting pissed off that people would leave without
shutting
> down his program, lol!
>
> Pity about those stupid "theme weeks", though. I believe we
> >get "The Raven" tomorrow night. No explanation of how Torres became Chief
> >Engineer, how Kes left, and who this Seven of Nine person is. I have no
> >idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
> >using the 3 B's of Marketing...
Hmm, they seem to be showing them in order here where I'm at. Are they
leaving it up to each affiliate to decide whether or not to go with the
theme approach?
David B.
> > I'm watching it right now.
> > Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
> > It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
>
> Right from the getgo I could feel how much potential the show had. I kept
> thinking, "Wow, this is going to be the best Trek ever, not like that boring
> thinking about this?
The pilot episode was very good. Almost as good as the DS9 pilot and way
better than the TNG pilot (ick!)
Btw, Harry looks like a total dork... :)
David B.
> Beltran looks like an actor!!!
He did a pretty good job in the first two seasons and most of the third.
Since then...well, he needs a new coat of paint and a little sanding...
Shammie
>My second fav. part being after the Doc first gets activated and he asks for
>a
>Tricorder and they absently hand him a regular science tricorder.
I loved that, knowing him now.
His exasperated, I-don't-believe-these-dodos look when he says "A *medical*
tricorder."
Shammie
>Yes, there are scenes in "Caretaker" where Kate is wearing a wig.
Aha!
The
>reason is this: After filming of Caretaker, Kate changed hair styles.
>However, they had to go back and reshoot portions of "Caretaker" after her
>hair was cut. So, they made a wig for her.
>The reshot scenes are mostly in the underground city and the climb up the
>stairs and at the opening on the planet surface.
So she was both wearing a wig and not wearing one, depending on the scene.
Fascinating, thanks!
Shammie
>>How'd you like it?
>>
>
>
>Surprisingly, I thought it was great.
Me too! I really enjoyed it the second time around.
When I watched the DS9 Pilot for the
>first time (during Season 3 or 4) I thought it was the WORST show of
>ANYTHING I have ever seen in my entire life.
It was a bit of a snooze in the beginning...
>Caretaker, OTOH, was superb. I was not dissapointed.
>
>
>>I think
>>>Janeway's hair is just died, or highlighted. It couldn't possibly be a
>wig,
>>>it's too...... real. >=^{0)
>>
>>The hairline looked....glued down to me.
>>
>
>
>Hmm..... I'll have to check it out during 'Part Deux' tonight.
Yippee, can't wait!
Chris Whitehead
: > Beltran looks like an actor!!!
: LOL!
Beltran actually puts in a *good* performance as Chakotay. It's unreal...
: You forgot:
: Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
Well, I only saw part 1 last night. No Neelix yet. No Kes, either. But
Tuvok has lines! And lots of 'em, too! :)
Chris W.
Chris Whitehead
: >(Currently watching "Caretaker, Part 1")
: Wasn't it fun?
Absolutely! Pity about those stupid "theme weeks", though. I believe we
get "The Raven" tomorrow night. No explanation of how Torres became Chief
Engineer, how Kes left, and who this Seven of Nine person is. I have no
idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
using the 3 B's of Marketing...
Chris W.
Chris Whitehead
: >You forgot:
: >Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
: <clears throat> Um.. *Kes* did, too..
Not in Part 1, she didn't...
Chris W.
Shammie
>: Wasn't it fun?
>
>Absolutely!
Part 2 kicked major ass!!!
Chakotay was excellent and he had a lot more gray hair. Neelix was terrific! He
hadn't yet become that weezy pain-in-the-butt ass kisser, Kes was simply
lovely, Janeway DEFINITELY had a wig on in several scenes. Kim and Torres were
adorable together, that's who they should have coupled up. Tuvok was da man!
And the doc was getting pissed off that people would leave without shutting
down his program, lol!
Pity about those stupid "theme weeks", though. I believe we
>get "The Raven" tomorrow night. No explanation of how Torres became Chief
>Engineer, how Kes left, and who this Seven of Nine person is. I have no
>idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
>using the 3 B's of Marketing...
what are those?
Julianna Feigl
>
> Shammie (sham...@aol.com) wrote:
>
> : >(Currently watching "Caretaker, Part 1")
>
>
> Absolutely! Pity about those stupid "theme weeks", though. I believe we
> get "The Raven" tomorrow night.
That's another good ep, though. Tuvok once again has lines and plays an
important part! :-)
Julianna Feigl
>
> Julianna Feigl (glacie...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
> : > Beltran looks like an actor!!!
>
> : LOL!
>
> Beltran actually puts in a *good* performance as Chakotay. It's unreal...
>
He's not as bad there as he is now, though even back then he was better
when Chuckles is angry. There's a certain brutality to that guy.
> : You forgot:
> : Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
>
> Well, I only saw part 1 last night. No Neelix yet. No Kes, either.
Where does part 1 end? I have the whole thing as one two-hour ep on my
tape, the way it aired originally.
> But
> Tuvok has lines! And lots of 'em, too! :)
Yes, back then he was an important character...
Julianna Feigl
>
> >>You forgot:
> >>Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
> >
> >
> >
>
> still get more to do than Tuvok, who also rules, but not by much IMO).
yep - that was before Roxann's baby...
> And the show was more than just 3 guys, 2 girls, a hologram, a tree, a clown, 2
> gigantic breasts, and a starship.
that's why I don't agree that the show has improved so much over the
past couple of years...
Julianna Feigl
> > Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
> > Anyone know?
>
> Dunno, don't really care. For some reason, I kept thinking of Julianna a
> lot after each Tuvok scene.
How sweet of you, Trollie! :-)
Can you understand now how I feel nowadays when he just isn't there
anymore?
Julianna Feigl
>
> > (Chris Whitehead) says
>
> >: Wasn't it fun?
> >
> >Absolutely!
>
> Chakotay was excellent
let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
> and he had a lot more gray hair.
Well, I did mention some time ago, that he's kind of old...
> Neelix was terrific! He
> hadn't yet become that weezy pain-in-the-butt ass kisser,
told you he's a good character! :-)
> Kes was simply
> lovely,
Yep, she always was. I MISS HER!
> Janeway DEFINITELY had a wig on in several scenes. Kim and Torres were
> adorable together, that's who they should have coupled up.
exactly my words! :-)
> Tuvok was da man!
He still is - even with nothing to do he rules!
> And the doc was getting pissed off that people would leave without shutting
> down his program, lol!
:-)
Julianna Feigl
>
> Chris Whitehead wrote:
>
> > Beltran looks like an actor!!!
>
> Since then...well, he needs a new coat of paint and a little sanding...
or better yet: retirement...
Julianna Feigl
>
> >FIVESPAWN wrote
>
> > For some reason, I kept thinking of Julianna a
> lot after each Tuvok scene.
>
> He had so much potential!! :-(((
Why do you think I'm getting so frustrated and upset nowadays? They
butchered him!
Julianna Feigl
>
> Julianna wrote:
> >You forgot:
> >Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
>
> <clears throat> Um.. *Kes* did, too..
Okay, let me correct my previous post:
Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!
And Kes was still there!!!!!
Allura
>Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
>It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
Don't you think that hairstyle made her look like Princess Anne?
Allura
Shammie
>let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
>hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
Maybe he has sinus allergies.
>> and he had a lot more gray hair.
>
>Well, I did mention some time ago, that he's kind of old...
That's fine by me :-)
His hair is darker now, right? So did they put the gray in, or have they taken
it out?
Shammie
> Kes was simply
>> lovely,
>
>You know, I kinda felt sad watching her after yours, Steve's and Flinx's
>report. I keep wondering what went wrong.
She looked SO fresh and nice compared to what we saw in DC :-(
>Janeway DEFINITELY had a wig on in several scenes. Kim and Torres were
>> adorable together, that's who they should have coupled up.
>
>I think you might be right. And Harry looked so young there. Almost like a
>teenager.
I liked the hair over one eye look.
Shammie
>Don't you think that hairstyle made her look like Princess Anne?
LOL!
It just looked ridiculous. She looks SO much better now!
Za'Bana Brandon
> let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already
> had that slight hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
I wouldn't use "nuts" exactly. More like bonkers. <eg>
*sigh*
I can't wait til this weekend to watch the stuff. I
have to tape it all at my parent's place now. I got
no cable in my residence room. And I'm already
one of three arts people in a building with 136 people
(mostly law students and business). I don't need them
to think I'm like a Trek geek as well. :)
I mean, I almost am ... but not quite. ;)
Vigo the Carpathian a.k.a. RH
>have to tape it all at my parent's place now. I got
>no cable in my residence room. And I'm already
>one of three arts people in a building with 136 people
>(mostly law students and business). I don't need them
>to think I'm like a Trek geek as well. :)
>I mean, I almost am ... but not quite. ;)
>
>
>
Chris Whitehead
: > I have no
: >idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
: >using the 3 B's of Marketing...
: what are those?
Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
:)
Chris W.
Chris Whitehead
: > : You forgot:
: > : Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
: >
: > Well, I only saw part 1 last night. No Neelix yet. No Kes, either.
: Where does part 1 end? I have the whole thing as one two-hour ep on my
: tape, the way it aired originally.
Ah. Part 2 begins with the discovery of Neelix's ship.
: > But
: > Tuvok has lines! And lots of 'em, too! :)
: Yes, back then he was an important character...
The difference between Season 1 and Season 5 is staggering.
Chris W.
DBR
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>
>
>Anyone else notice how *young* Roxanne Dawson looked?
I sure did!
--
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Agreed.
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--------------------
Janeway Rules! But Shammie is divine!
"Neelix- Coffee anyone? Captain?"
"Janeway- No thanks I've had enough, one more cup and I'll jump to
warp."
Scott Peterson
>
I was going through some old video tapes last month and found one of
an IBM OS/2 promotion broadcast done the summer before Voyager first
broad aired. I'd kept it for the novelty value. It was filmed just
about the time that Voyager must have started filming.
Anyway, Kate Mulgrew was the lead-in speaker for OS/2 "Warp".
She came out and spoke for about 10 minutes. Her hair was much the
same length as it is in the show now.
Scott Peterson
I am still waiting for the advent
of the computer science groupie.
DBR
Shammie wrote in message <19990914125613...@ng-fh1.aol.com>...
>> "DBR" wrote:
>
>>I just watched it a while ago, myself... only for the first time.
>
>How'd you like it?
>
Surprisingly, I thought it was great. When I watched the DS9 Pilot for the
first time (during Season 3 or 4) I thought it was the WORST show of
ANYTHING I have ever seen in my entire life.
Caretaker, OTOH, was superb. I was not dissapointed.
>I think
>>Janeway's hair is just died, or highlighted. It couldn't possibly be a
wig,
>>it's too...... real. >=^{0)
>
>The hairline looked....glued down to me.
>
Hmm..... I'll have to check it out during 'Part Deux' tonight.
--
"To infinity and beyond!"
Arlie
A really, really, really cute dork, though. Absolutely adorable.
I wish his hair was still long enough to fall over his forehead like that....
-- Arlie
DTaejdH
Whitehead) writes:
>: > I have no
>: >idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
>: >using the 3 B's of Marketing...
>
>: what are those?
>
>Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>
>:)
ROTFL...so true! (and you forgot the buttcrack:-)
Doreen
DTaejdH
<glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>> >Absolutely!
>>
>> Part 2 kicked major ass!!!
>> Chakotay was excellent
>
>let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
>hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
Should I mention here that his voice drives me somewhere, but it certainly
isn't nuts? <vbg>
>
>> and he had a lot more gray hair.
HEY!! Nothing wrong with gray hair...I prefer his hair that way if fact (had
anyone asked me)
>
>Well, I did mention some time ago, that he's kind of old...
:clears throat:
Julianna, you probably don't know that his official biography lists him as
being 3 years older than I am...age is RELATIVE...and perhaps the reason that
Harry Kim looks like jailbait to me!!
>
>> Neelix was terrific! He
>> hadn't yet become that weezy pain-in-the-butt ass kisser,
>
>told you he's a good character! :-)
Loved the scenes with Tuvok...priceless!
>
>> Kes was simply
>> lovely,
>
>Yep, she always was. I MISS HER!
Me too!
>> Tuvok was da man!
>
>He still is - even with nothing to do he rules!
>
How could I add anything to that?
Doreen
DTaejdH
<glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>David B. wrote:
>>
>> Chris Whitehead wrote:
>>
>> > Beltran looks like an actor!!!
>>
>> He did a pretty good job in the first two seasons and most of the third.
>> Since then...well, he needs a new coat of paint and a little sanding...
>
>or better yet: retirement...
>
>Julianna
:Sniffling: leaving me with NO reason to watch Voyager (but the vauge hope
that Tuvok has a good year?)
Doreen:-(
DTaejdH
(Shammie) writes:
>>Julianna Feigl wrote:
>
>>let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
>>hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
>
>Maybe he has sinus allergies.
He also smoked in several of his movies in the 80's...I have no idea if RB
himself did.
>
>>> and he had a lot more gray hair.
>>
>>Well, I did mention some time ago, that he's kind of old...
>
>That's fine by me :-)
Me too!!
>His hair is darker now, right? So did they put the gray in, or have they
>taken
>it out?
Taken it out. In his movie Managua (1997) is hair is short and pretty gray.
When asked about it in his last chat, RB said he doesn't really care what they
do with his hair, but sometimes he thinks it looks like they stuck an anvil on
his head...and I think about it now, everytime I see his hair!
Doreen
Shammie
>: > I have no
>: >idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
>: >using the 3 B's of Marketing...
>
>: what are those?
>
>Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
LOL!!
So three are even better than two?
Shammie
>>His hair is darker now, right? So did they put the gray in, or have they
>>taken
>>it out?
>
>Taken it out. In his movie Managua (1997) is hair is short and pretty gray.
>When asked about it in his last chat, RB said he doesn't really care what
>they
>do with his hair, but sometimes he thinks it looks like they stuck an anvil
>on
>his head...and I think about it now, everytime I see his hair!
Oh dear!
It looked so much better in Caretaker.
It looked the worst in the Fight, I hate that Caesar do.
Shammie
>> >Don't you think that hairstyle made her look like Princess Anne?
>>
>> LOL!
>> It just looked ridiculous. She looks SO much better now!
>
>Agreed.
Some of the wig shots were so severe!
Shammie
>: >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>
>: LOL!!
>: So three are even better than two?
>
>Have you seen "Total Recall"?
No, good rental?
Chris Whitehead
[The Three B's of Marketing]
: >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
: LOL!!
: So three are even better than two?
Have you seen "Total Recall"?
Chris W.
Chris Whitehead
: > (Chris Whitehead) :
: >: >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
: >
: >: LOL!!
: >: So three are even better than two?
: >
: >Have you seen "Total Recall"?
: No, good rental?
Well it did feature a 3-breasted woman in one scene...
Played by the same person who played Ensign Sonia Gomez in TNG's "Q Who?",
IIRC.
And yes, it was a good rental. :)
Chris W.
Shammie
>: >Have you seen "Total Recall"?
>
>: No, good rental?
>
>Well it did feature a 3-breasted woman in one scene...
Perky, I hope.
>Played by the same person who played Ensign Sonia Gomez in TNG's "Q Who?",
>IIRC.
>
>And yes, it was a good rental. :)
Cool, I'm supposed to work tomorrow night but the club might close due to the
weather, if so, I'll rent it.
TheFlinx
Chris Whitehead wrote in message <7rq1as$pgt$4...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>...
>Shammie (sham...@aol.com) wrote:
>: > (Chris Whitehead) :
>
>: >: >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>: >
>: >: LOL!!
>: >: So three are even better than two?
>: >
>
>: No, good rental?
>
>Well it did feature a 3-breasted woman in one scene...
>
>IIRC.
>
>And yes, it was a good rental. :)
>
>
Hey Chris did you catch the line in the first 20min of the movie that
changes the obvious ending?
TheFlinx
Shammie wrote in message <19990916020800...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>> (Chris Whitehead) wrote:
>
>>: >Have you seen "Total Recall"?
>>
>>: No, good rental?
>>
>>Well it did feature a 3-breasted woman in one scene...
>
>
>>Played by the same person who played Ensign Sonia Gomez in TNG's "Q Who?",
>>IIRC.
>>
>>And yes, it was a good rental. :)
>
the
>weather, if so, I'll rent it.
Listen very carefully to the Tech that loads the total recall program, he
says something very important that most people miss. It's a minor part so
you have to listen carefully.
Julianna Feigl
Shammie wrote:
> >Julianna Feigl wrote:
>
> >let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
> >hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
>
> Maybe he has sinus allergies.
He doesn't have it when he just talks, only when he acts. He talked normally and
without the hiss at the convention where I met him...
Julianna
--------
Tuvok:
neglected, ignored, abused, forgotten - but the best nevertheless!
Shammie
>Listen very carefully to the Tech that loads the total recall program, he
>says something very important that most people miss. It's a minor part so
>you have to listen carefully.
>
Cool, will do! That is if my power stays on tonight...
---------
Want to know who we are?
http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/boulevard/2221/voyager/voyng.htm
Shammie
>> >Have you seen "Total Recall"?
>>
>> No, good rental?
>
>It's okay, I suppose. Not great, but renting it couldn't hurt. Lots
>of Trek actors in it (Robert Picardo as the voice of "Johnny-cab", Marc
>Alaimo as a police captain, Ronny Cox as the head bad guy, and the guy
>who played 'Legate Broca' on DS9 as another cab driver). Warning:
>Since it was directed by Paul Verhoeven you can expect a LOT of gore...
Thanks for the warning. I hope it isn't too graphic, I will be sitting there
with my hand over my eyes, that's what I do.
Chris Whitehead
: Chris Whitehead wrote in message <7rq1as$pgt$4...@nntp.itservices.ubc.ca>...
: Hey Chris did you catch the line in the first 20min of the movie that
: changes the obvious ending?
I haven't seen "Total Recall" in years, so I have no idea if I caught it
or not. Given that I don't recall which line you're referring to, probably
not.
I did catch Marc "Gul Dukat" Alaimo as one of the security guys, though.
Chris W.
Julianna Feigl
Za'Bana Brandon wrote:
> Julianna wrote:
>
> > let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already
> > had that slight hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
>
> I wouldn't use "nuts" exactly. More like bonkers. <eg>
whatever - he already had that annoying quality back in s1 - I first
mistook it for intensity and a means of expression - then I discovered
it's the only way he *can* speak while acting...
> *sigh*
> I can't wait til this weekend to watch the stuff. I
> have to tape it all at my parent's place now. I got
> no cable in my residence room. And I'm already
> one of three arts people in a building with 136 people
> (mostly law students and business). I don't need them
> to think I'm like a Trek geek as well. :)
> I mean, I almost am ... but not quite. ;)
does it matter? Most of this ng thinks I'm a hopeless Tuvok-junky - does
that bother me? Not in the least!
Julianna Feigl
Chris Whitehead wrote:
> Julianna Feigl (glacie...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>
> : > : You forgot:
> : > : Tuvok and Neelix had lines!!!!!!
> : >
> : > Well, I only saw part 1 last night. No Neelix yet. No Kes, either.
>
> : Where does part 1 end? I have the whole thing as one two-hour ep on my
> : tape, the way it aired originally.
>
> Ah. Part 2 begins with the discovery of Neelix's ship.
I see...
> : > But
> : > Tuvok has lines! And lots of 'em, too! :)
>
> : Yes, back then he was an important character...
>
> The difference between Season 1 and Season 5 is staggering.
Why do you think I'm always so down? And why do you think I prefer the
earlier seasons?
Julianna Feigl
DTaejdH wrote:
> In article <37DFD5...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >> >Absolutely!
> >>
> >> Part 2 kicked major ass!!!
> >> Chakotay was excellent
> >
> >let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
> >hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
>
> Should I mention here that his voice drives me somewhere, but it certainly
> isn't nuts? <vbg>
>
Why am I not surprised? :-)
> >
> >> and he had a lot more gray hair.
>
> HEY!! Nothing wrong with gray hair...I prefer his hair that way if fact (had
> anyone asked me)
>
apparently TPTB think he looks younger with the dyed black hair than with the
natural gray...
> >
> >Well, I did mention some time ago, that he's kind of old...
>
> :clears throat:
> Julianna, you probably don't know that his official biography lists him as
> being 3 years older than I am...
I have no clue what his official biography says - how old is he? He looks and
acts like he's at least 10 years older than Russ - who is 43. You can't be
anywhere near 50...
But I have it on good authority that many women find men that are three years
older than they are most attractive... :-)
> age is RELATIVE...and perhaps the reason that
> Harry Kim looks like jailbait to me!!
>
Harry looks fine to me - it's Tommy I find soft and boyish, and not manly at
all, although I think McNeill is older than Wang.
> >
> >> Neelix was terrific! He
> >> hadn't yet become that weezy pain-in-the-butt ass kisser,
> >
> >told you he's a good character! :-)
>
> Loved the scenes with Tuvok...priceless!
Yep - that was in the distant past when the two of them were still considered
deserving of screentime...
>
>
> >
> >> Kes was simply
> >> lovely,
> >
> >Yep, she always was. I MISS HER!
>
> Me too!
>
it's so sad she's gone! :-(((
> >> Tuvok was da man!
> >
> >He still is - even with nothing to do he rules!
> >
>
> How could I add anything to that?
He's just THE BEST! :-)
Julianna Feigl
DTaejdH wrote:
> In article <37DFD6...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >David B. wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris Whitehead wrote:
> >>
> >> > Beltran looks like an actor!!!
> >>
> >> He did a pretty good job in the first two seasons and most of the third.
> >> Since then...well, he needs a new coat of paint and a little sanding...
> >
> >or better yet: retirement...
> >
> >Julianna
>
> :Sniffling: leaving me with NO reason to watch Voyager
with that much more reason to watch it - since one major weakness would've
been eliminated! (I know I'm mean - but considering how much screentime he
usually gets and how little he does with it I wouldn't mind never seeing him
again)
> (but the vauge hope
> that Tuvok has a good year?)
>
sigh! not very likely...
Julianna Feigl
Shammie wrote:
> > (Chris Whitehead)
>
> >: > I have no
> >: >idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless they're
> >: >using the 3 B's of Marketing...
> >
> >: what are those?
> >
> >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>
> LOL!!
> So three are even better than two?
Then I don't stand a chance...
Amarna
wrote:
>Shammie wrote:
>>
>> I'm watching it right now.
>> Woo Hoo! The first one! I haven't seen it since the first time!
>> It's SO cool watching it again, now that I know all the characters.
>> Now, to my question. Janeway's hair! Really light, and I swear it's a wig.
>> Anyone know? Gotta go, commercial's over...
>
>I belive that it's a wig. I have the first issue of the Starlog Voyager
>magazine and it shows Kate Mulgrew as Janeway with short hair (the pics
>are from "Caretaker"). I doubt that they waited for it to grow before
>they filmed the pilot. So it must be a wig.
I think it was her own hair, but with a fall added.
This question is covered in Stephen Poe's (aka Stephen E. Whitfield)
book "Star Trek Voyager: A Vision of the Future," which, by the way,
is pretty entertaining. Although it is very much a product of
cooperation (so you won't find any debunking), it has a lot of
interesting detail about what goes in to making the show.
Parts of "Caretaker" had to be reshot because it was originally shot
with Mulgrew's own hair down. It was about shoulder-length. After
quite a few scenes had been filmed, there was concern that Janeway's
hair didn't look good and the executives decided to go with her hair
up. That forced them to do a reshoot so it wouldn't look like Janeway
had decided to change her hairdo right in the middle of a crisis.
Poe/Whitfield relates that various Ocampa scenes were filmed in the
L.A. Convention Center and had to be reshot, along with a number of
other scenes, at very considerable expense.
The book has side-by-side pictures from the Convention Center showing
the difference.
By the way, I also think Mulgrew was much more heavily made up for
"Caretaker" -- too heavily. It's not just her hairline that's
different. Her skin is too. It's shinier, more uniform.
-- Amarna
Shammie
>> >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>>
>> LOL!!
>> So three are even better than two?
>
>Then I don't stand a chance...
LOL!
Nope, guess not.
Chris Whitehead
: > >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
: >
: > LOL!!
: > So three are even better than two?
: Then I don't stand a chance...
One word: prosthetic. :)
Chris W.
Chris Whitehead
: > The difference between Season 1 and Season 5 is staggering.
: Why do you think I'm always so down? And why do you think I prefer the
: earlier seasons?
Actually getting to see the early episodes again (I never bothered to tape
any of them) reinforces just how much Russ has been mistreated as of late.
It's one thing to hear you say Tuvok's been sorely neglected, but it
really gets the point across when you see just how much he was used and
how little he is used now.
Chris W.
Troll Master Ta'Teria
DTaejdH
<glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>DTaejdH wrote:
>
>> In article <37DFD6...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
>> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >David B. wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Chris Whitehead wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Beltran looks like an actor!!!
>> >>
>> >> He did a pretty good job in the first two seasons and most of the third.
>> >> Since then...well, he needs a new coat of paint and a little sanding...
>> >
>> >or better yet: retirement...
>> >
>> >Julianna
>>
>> :Sniffling: leaving me with NO reason to watch Voyager
>
>with that much more reason to watch it - since one major weakness would've
>been eliminated! (I know I'm mean - but considering how much screentime he
>usually gets and how little he does with it I wouldn't mind never seeing him
>again)
That screentime in season 5 would have been about equal to GW's and RDM's
without The Fight (according to Brandon's lines I think...although I haven't
gone back to check them...)
I still say that this has has more to do with Braga than RB...With the
exception of BRIEF moments in Course Oblivion, Nothing Human, and Bliss, (and a
couple of great scenes in Extreme Risk) Chakotay was written as the pacifying,
provider of alternatives, the loyal officer. IMO, of course, he didn't have
the screen time i would like to see, and considering what they could write for
Chakotay (same argument with Tuvok) and don't, I don't have much argument with
what RB did with what he was given. (And yes, like you, I prefer season 4's
writing for both characters in many ways--Nemesis and Waking Moments being 2
of my all-time favorites.)
I still believe that they don't want the male officers challenging Janeway, so
all that fun goes to Seven (and once in a blue moon, B'Elanna).
>
>> (but the vauge hope
>> that Tuvok has a good year?)
>>
>
>sigh! not very likely...
Sounding more hopeful though! LOL, think of the fun discussion if Braga proves
us wrong and actually uses Tuvok this season!!
Doreen
DTaejdH
<glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>DTaejdH wrote:
>
>> In article <37DFD5...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
>> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>> >> >Absolutely!
>> >>
>> >> Part 2 kicked major ass!!!
>> >> Chakotay was excellent
>> >
>> >let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
>> >hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
>>
>> Should I mention here that his voice drives me somewhere, but it certainly
>> isn't nuts? <vbg>
>>
>
>Why am I not surprised? :-)
LOL! I'm sure you weren't! TR has one heck of a voice too, which he uses very
effectively. They way both actors use their voices is one of the main reasons
they are my favorites.
>
>> >
>> >> and he had a lot more gray hair.
>>
>> HEY!! Nothing wrong with gray hair...I prefer his hair that way if fact
>(had
>> anyone asked me)
>>
>
>apparently TPTB think he looks younger with the dyed black hair than with the
>natural gray...
That's what i would suppose..plus the darker hair highlights the tattoo better.
>
>> >
>> >Well, I did mention some time ago, that he's kind of old...
>>
>> :clears throat:
>> Julianna, you probably don't know that his official biography lists him as
>> being 3 years older than I am...
>
>I have no clue what his official biography says - how old is he? He looks and
>acts like he's at least 10 years older than Russ - who is 43. You can't be
>anywhere near 50...
:beaming: thank you! Sometimes I feel it, but it's hard enough for me to
remember how old I really am.
Since I haven't seen either, I can't comment on whether or not RB acts older
than TR, but I will let you know what I think after LA:-)
As for RB, I think his official bio lists him as being born in 1957, which
would make him three years older than me. I hit 40 with the millenium (not all
bad, since my 40th b-day present is this trip to LA). When RB is asked about
his age, he tells people he was born during the Eisenhower administration, so
he's somewhere between 42-46.
>
>But I have it on good authority that many women find men that are three years
>older than they are most attractive... :-)
Most definitely!!!
>
>> age is RELATIVE...and perhaps the reason that
>> Harry Kim looks like jailbait to me!!
>>
>
>Harry looks fine to me - it's Tommy I find soft and boyish, and not manly at
>all, although I think McNeill is older than Wang.
I think he is too because I read a comment of GW's quoting RDM teasing him
about having to play all the fresh-faced innocents when he was his age too.
>
>> >
>> >> Neelix was terrific! He
>> >> hadn't yet become that weezy pain-in-the-butt ass kisser,
>> >
>> >told you he's a good character! :-)
>>
>> Loved the scenes with Tuvok...priceless!
>
>Yep - that was in the distant past when the two of them were still considered
>deserving of screentime...
The spoilers suggest that they get their time (and together) this season, for
at least 1 ep!
>
>>
>>
>> >
>> >> Kes was simply
>> >> lovely,
>> >
>> >Yep, she always was. I MISS HER!
>>
>> Me too!
>>
>
>it's so sad she's gone! :-(((
I always thought one "sweet" woman on the show was a nice contrast.
>
>> >> Tuvok was da man!
>> >
>> >He still is - even with nothing to do he rules!
>> >
>>
>> How could I add anything to that?
>
>He's just THE BEST! :-)
Those scenes where he found Neelix in the transporter room, and then the bath,
were hilarious. The best indeed...maybe they will rediscover that this year.
Doreen
Julianna Feigl
> Jules wrote:
>
> >> >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
> >>
> >> LOL!!
> >> So three are even better than two?
> >
> >Then I don't stand a chance...
>
> Nope, guess not.
But neither do you! <beg>
Amarna
<stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
>Amarna wrote:
>>
>> By the way, I also think Mulgrew was much more heavily made up for
>> "Caretaker" -- too heavily. It's not just her hairline that's
>> different. Her skin is too. It's shinier, more uniform.
>
>
>Ain't that always the way? See, Caretaker was sorta like a first date
>since it was the pilot, so Kate was putting on the makeup and making an
>effort to look good. Then she got comfortable, and like in every
>relationship with a woman she let herself go. Doesn't make an effort
>with the makeup, hair and looks anymore. I mean jeez, she even has
>married woman's short sensible hair now. What kinda crap is that? Am I
>right fellas or what?
>
>Hell pretty soon she'll stop shaving those little hairs on her upper
>lip, start wearing curlers and cold cream to bed, it's all downhill from
>here...
Ah, Steve, you are so... charming (?).
But you know you're showing your age. Curlers went out with the 60s.
Today brush rollers are practically archeological artifacts.
I have to admit, though, I never thought I'd wear my hair short, but I
do. It's more comfortable and easier. I expect it's what a Star
Fleet captain would do too.
As to the make-up, I have the impression Mulgrew doesn't like to wear
a lot because she doesn't like to be handled and fussed over.
Something I read somewhere. If true, then it must have been the
studio execs that were worried about her face, not her.
-- Amarna
Julianna Feigl
>
> : > >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
> : >
> : > LOL!!
> : > So three are even better than two?
>
> : Then I don't stand a chance...
>
to quote our absent Troll:
Oh!
Julianna Feigl
>
> In article <37E1535C...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
> >> >let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
> >> >hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
> >>
> >> Should I mention here that his voice drives me somewhere, but it certainly
> >> isn't nuts? <vbg>
> >>
> >
> >Why am I not surprised? :-)
>
> LOL! I'm sure you weren't! TR has one heck of a voice too, which he uses very
> effectively.
especially when singing...
> They way both actors use their voices is one of the main reasons
> they are my favorites.
I agree about TR but have to admit that RB gets on my nerves - big time.
> >apparently TPTB think he looks younger with the dyed black hair than with the
> >natural gray...
>
> That's what i would suppose..plus the darker hair highlights the tattoo better.
>
? I never noticed...
> >I have no clue what his official biography says - how old is he? He looks and
> >acts like he's at least 10 years older than Russ - who is 43. You can't be
> >anywhere near 50...
>
> :beaming: thank you! Sometimes I feel it, but it's hard enough for me to
> remember how old I really am.
You're as young as you feel :-)
> Since I haven't seen either, I can't comment on whether or not RB acts older
> than TR, but I will let you know what I think after LA:-)
Cool!
> As for RB, I think his official bio lists him as being born in 1957,
you're kidding! He can't be *younger* than Russ?????? (* June 22, 1956)
> which
> would make him three years older than me. I hit 40 with the millenium (not all
> bad, since my 40th b-day present is this trip to LA).
sounds great!
> When RB is asked about
> his age, he tells people he was born during the Eisenhower administration, so
> he's somewhere between 42-46.
Hm - I would've estimated him at early 50ies...
> >
> >But I have it on good authority that many women find men that are three years
> >older than they are most attractive... :-)
>
> Most definitely!!!
Glad you agree :-)
> >
> >> age is RELATIVE...and perhaps the reason that
> >> Harry Kim looks like jailbait to me!!
> >>
> >
> >Harry looks fine to me - it's Tommy I find soft and boyish, and not manly at
> >all, although I think McNeill is older than Wang.
>
> I think he is too because I read a comment of GW's quoting RDM teasing him
> about having to play all the fresh-faced innocents when he was his age too.
well, Wang looks like a man to me despite his youth, while RDM strikes
me as a boy. I don't think this has anything to do with *my* age, though
- rather with my ideas of what a man should look like :-)
> >> Loved the scenes with Tuvok...priceless!
> >
> >Yep - that was in the distant past when the two of them were still considered
> >deserving of screentime...
>
> The spoilers suggest that they get their time (and together) this season, for
> at least 1 ep!
I've heard that as well.... though I have not decided yet if it's wise
to get my hopes up... still depressed after season 5...
> >> >> Kes was simply
> >> >> lovely,
> >> >
> >> >Yep, she always was. I MISS HER!
> >>
> >> Me too!
> >>
> >
> >it's so sad she's gone! :-(((
>
> I always thought one "sweet" woman on the show was a nice contrast.
She was so warm and had such maturity. The scene in sickbay for
instance, when Neelix doesn't want to help Janeway & Co. any further now
that he has rescued Kes and she insists "with their help" - thus
prompting him to offer his support to the crew of Voyager, for
instance... Lien is fantastic here. I never understood where she took
such depth at her young age. In order to project depth you must have it
in you, and she had lots of it.
> >> >> Tuvok was da man!
> >> >
> >> >He still is - even with nothing to do he rules!
> >> >
> >>
> >> How could I add anything to that?
> >
> >He's just THE BEST! :-)
>
> Those scenes where he found Neelix in the transporter room, and then the bath,
> were hilarious.
some of my all time favorite VOY-scenes... and one of the reasons why I
like the Tuvok/Neelix pairing so much - these two had oodles of
chemistry together right from the beginning...
> The best indeed...maybe they will rediscover that this year.
if only....
Julianna (who will be convinced that things are getting better for
Tuvok, once she's seen it - no sooner)
Julianna Feigl
>
> In article <37E153E...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
> >with that much more reason to watch it - since one major weakness would've
> >been eliminated! (I know I'm mean - but considering how much screentime he
> >usually gets and how little he does with it I wouldn't mind never seeing him
> >again)
>
> That screentime in season 5 would have been about equal to GW's and RDM's
> without The Fight (according to Brandon's lines I think...although I haven't
> gone back to check them...)
probably yes, but he got "The Fight" as well and thus ended up as the #4
actor... which means he was quite prominent...
> I still say that this has has more to do with Braga than RB...With the
> exception of BRIEF moments in Course Oblivion, Nothing Human, and Bliss, (and a
> couple of great scenes in Extreme Risk) Chakotay was written as the pacifying,
> provider of alternatives, the loyal officer.
at least Chuckles was there... and he had friends. People aboard liked
him and asked his advice... or he was able to help (e.g. in B'Elanna's
case)...
> IMO, of course, he didn't have
> the screen time i would like to see,
how much more would you want to have? He's already the #4 character! He
had more than 160% of what Tuvok got! And much better stuff, too. Acting
challenges, character development - not just lines on the bridge or in
the briefing room every now and then...
> and considering what they could write for
> Chakotay (same argument with Tuvok) and don't, I don't have much argument with
> what RB did with what he was given.
What's the bet that Russ would've done a lot more with that quantity of
material no matter what the quality?
> (And yes, like you, I prefer season 4's
> writing for both characters in many ways--Nemesis and Waking Moments being 2
> of my all-time favorites.)
Nemesis is definitely not among my favorites - I almost missed Tuvok's
appearance at the end the first time round, since I was about to fall
asleep. As for Waking Moments... well, that *does* have some redeeming
qualities IMO... :-)
> I still believe that they don't want the male officers challenging Janeway, so
> all that fun goes to Seven (and once in a blue moon, B'Elanna).
Even then there are those that *do* get scenes and those that don't...
> >> (but the vauge hope
> >> that Tuvok has a good year?)
> >>
> >
> >sigh! not very likely...
>
> Sounding more hopeful though!
I will believe when I see.... I've been disappointed once too often to
trust these people at Paramount any longer...
> LOL, think of the fun discussion if Braga proves
> us wrong and actually uses Tuvok this season!!
would be great, but somehow I can't imagine this anymore...
Julianna
Julianna Feigl
I *do* have all these eps on tape... so I have the direct comparison
between early eps and now - and it's just devastating to see the
difference. :-(((((
perk...@aol.com
glacie...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> When RB is asked about
> > his age, he tells people he was born during the Eisenhower
administration, so
> > he's somewhere between 42-46.
>
> Hm - I would've estimated him at early 50ies...
>
> > >
Early 50's??!! Good heavens. Well, that definately rates as one of
those "must be in the eye of the beholder", LOL. Both Beltran and Russ
look (and act I might add) to me to be in their early to mid 40's.
Maybe that's because I'm nearing 40 myself. I mean, I think Beltran
actually looks better with the grey.
Since neither have every married, that I know of, they both seems rather
"boyishly mature". If that makes any sense. And yes, I am generally
attracted to older men. Maybe that's why the Brad Pitt's and Tom
Cruise's of the world do absolutely nothing for me!
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I'm afraid the number of lines is irrelevant to me; if the lines are
repetitious not much you can do with that. And I don't feel that any
characters have had much "character development" with the exception of
Seven (with whom on occasion TPTB actually do a decent job) and to some
extent the Doctor and Harry. For the others, it seems they've either
stagnated or IMO regressed.
Unfortunately I have to agree with the pessimistic view of Paramount and
Braga. In some blurb I saw somewhere, Braga (or Berman?) said that
season six would continue to strengthen what they started in season
five. Whatever the hell that means.
Just peachy.
Julianna Feigl
>
> In article <37E28D...@hotmail.com>,
> glacie...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > When RB is asked about
> > > his age, he tells people he was born during the Eisenhower
> administration, so
> > > he's somewhere between 42-46.
> >
> > Hm - I would've estimated him at early 50ies...
> >
> > > >
>
> Early 50's??!! Good heavens. Well, that definately rates as one of
> those "must be in the eye of the beholder", LOL. Both Beltran and Russ
> look (and act I might add) to me to be in their early to mid 40's.
Well, everybody I tell Russ is 43 thinks I'm kidding and that he can't
be much older than 35 at best.
> Maybe that's because I'm nearing 40 myself. I mean, I think Beltran
> actually looks better with the grey.
>
> Since neither have every married,
Russ has a little daughter, though, i.e. he has to deal with
responsibilities
> that I know of, they both seems rather
> "boyishly mature". If that makes any sense.
Russ certainly has that boyish charme. But he's also fit and athletic
and in pretty good shape, which makes him look younger than he is.
> And yes, I am generally
> attracted to older men. Maybe that's why the Brad Pitt's and Tom
> Cruise's of the world do absolutely nothing for me!
I have to agree on that - you should have included the RDM's of this
world...
Arlie
you're kidding! He can't be *younger* than Russ?????? (* June 22, 1956) <<
Russ is just very young-looking for his age. <g>
For the record, here's everyone's birthdays, according to IMDb:
Kate Mulgrew: 29 April 1955
Robert Adame Beltrane: 19 November 1957
Roxane Dawson: 11 September 1964
Jennifer Lien: 24 August 1974
Robert Duncan McNeill: 9 November 1964
Ethan Phillips: 8 February 1955
Tim Russ: 22 June 1956
Robert Picardo: 27 October 1953
Jeri Lynn Ryan: 22 February 1968
Garrett Richard Wang: 15 December 1968
Gee, according to this, J/C, P/T, and K/7 are all couples where the woman is
older! <g>
-- Arlie
Julianna Feigl
>
> >>> As for RB, I think his official bio lists him as being born in 1957,
>
> you're kidding! He can't be *younger* than Russ?????? (* June 22, 1956) <<
>
> Russ is just very young-looking for his age. <g>
>
> For the record, here's everyone's birthdays, according to IMDb:
>
> Kate Mulgrew: 29 April 1955
>
> Robert Adame Beltrane: 19 November 1957
>
> Roxane Dawson: 11 September 1964
>
> Jennifer Lien: 24 August 1974
>
> Robert Duncan McNeill: 9 November 1964
>
> Ethan Phillips: 8 February 1955
>
> Tim Russ: 22 June 1956
Why do you put up full names for some but not for others?
FYI, it's Timothy Darrell Russ
(see:http://www.geocities.com/~teepee47/tim_russ/factoids.html for
reference)
> Robert Picardo: 27 October 1953
>
> Jeri Lynn Ryan: 22 February 1968
>
> Garrett Richard Wang: 15 December 1968
>
> Gee, according to this, J/C, P/T, and K/7 are all couples where the woman is
> older! <g>
>
> -- Arlie
--
Arlie
Because IMDb has full names for some of them, but not others.
Someone should inform IMDb that Tim Russ was born Timothy Darrell....
-- Arlie
DTaejdH
<glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>DTaejdH wrote:
>>
>> In article <37E1535C...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
>> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>
>
>> >> >let's not exaggerate - he was okay at best! He already had that slight
>> >> >hiss that drives Brandon nuts...
>> >>
>> >> Should I mention here that his voice drives me somewhere, but it
>certainly
>> >> isn't nuts? <vbg>
>> >>
>> >
>> >Why am I not surprised? :-)
>>
>> LOL! I'm sure you weren't! TR has one heck of a voice too, which he uses
>very
>> effectively.
>
>especially when singing...
I can't wait to hear it!!!
>
>> They way both actors use their voices is one of the main reasons
>> they are my favorites.
>
>I agree about TR but have to admit that RB gets on my nerves - big time.
I think that is one thing about RB that divides people. They either like or
dislike his voice--no inbetween. It's Jeri Ryan's voice that grates on my
ears--very nasal.
>
>
>> >apparently TPTB think he looks younger with the dyed black hair than with
>the
>> >natural gray...
>>
>> That's what i would suppose..plus the darker hair highlights the tattoo
>better.
>>
>
>? I never noticed...
LOL, trust me, I have <vbg>. That's why I figured they went for the "Elvis"
look since RB doesn' wear his hair that way himself. It highlights the tattoo
and looks more conservative.
>
>
>> >I have no clue what his official biography says - how old is he? He looks
>and
>> >acts like he's at least 10 years older than Russ - who is 43. You can't be
>> >anywhere near 50...
>>
>> :beaming: thank you! Sometimes I feel it, but it's hard enough for me to
>> remember how old I really am.
>
>You're as young as you feel :-)
LOL, that's why I laugh when I look around and realize my a good deal of my
students' parents are my age...I keep thinking that I am 25!!
>
>> Since I haven't seen either, I can't comment on whether or not RB acts
>older
>> than TR, but I will let you know what I think after LA:-)
>
>Cool!
>
>> As for RB, I think his official bio lists him as being born in 1957,
>
>you're kidding! He can't be *younger* than Russ?????? (* June 22, 1956)
LOL...I'm sure an actor in youth-obssessed Hollywood has NEVER lied on their
bio...but I think (no, I did NOT go back and check this, so any RB fan who
knows better than I, could correct me) Nov.19, 1957.
>
>> which
>> would make him three years older than me. I hit 40 with the millenium (not
>all
>> bad, since my 40th b-day present is this trip to LA).
>
>sounds great!
I think so!
>
>> When RB is asked about
>> his age, he tells people he was born during the Eisenhower administration,
>so
>> he's somewhere between 42-46.
>
>Hm - I would've estimated him at early 50ies...
Geez, you must have seen him on a bad day (or after a bad/good?? night <vbg>).
If it's any consolation, I think many of the fans I have met online think he's
46, because he once told someone in a q/a that he was born on a
Thursday...leading to someone to look at what year that would be (some people
have too much time on their hands). However, considering RB's approach to
q/a's, he could have pulled that answer out of thin air...
>
>> >
>> >But I have it on good authority that many women find men that are three
>years
>> >older than they are most attractive... :-)
>>
>> Most definitely!!!
>
>Glad you agree :-)
:-)))
>
>> >
>> >> age is RELATIVE...and perhaps the reason that
>> >> Harry Kim looks like jailbait to me!!
>> >>
>> >
>> >Harry looks fine to me - it's Tommy I find soft and boyish, and not manly
>at
>> >all, although I think McNeill is older than Wang.
>>
>> I think he is too because I read a comment of GW's quoting RDM teasing him
>> about having to play all the fresh-faced innocents when he was his age too.
>
>well, Wang looks like a man to me despite his youth, while RDM strikes
>me as a boy. I don't think this has anything to do with *my* age, though
>- rather with my ideas of what a man should look like :-)
GW has a really interesting face. Sometimes he looks so young and other times
so old. Have you seen the new Voyager promo pics where they are all in black?
GW looked very different in those.
I agree about RDM--he has that little boy quality that's always going to be
there. LOL, for some people that's really appealing...obviously, you and I
don't see it as an asset like a lot of people do.
>
>
>> >> Loved the scenes with Tuvok...priceless!
>> >
>> >Yep - that was in the distant past when the two of them were still
>considered
>> >deserving of screentime...
>>
>> The spoilers suggest that they get their time (and together) this season,
>for
>> at least 1 ep!
>
>I've heard that as well.... though I have not decided yet if it's wise
>to get my hopes up... still depressed after season 5...
I know the feeling...all these spoilers about Janeway falling for holograms
etc. don't give me the greatest confidence, and all the promos about 7 just
reinforce more of the same...
>
>> >> >> Kes was simply
>> >> >> lovely,
>> >> >
>> >> >Yep, she always was. I MISS HER!
>> >>
>> >> Me too!
>> >>
>> >
>> >it's so sad she's gone! :-(((
>>
>> I always thought one "sweet" woman on the show was a nice contrast.
>
>She was so warm and had such maturity. The scene in sickbay for
>instance, when Neelix doesn't want to help Janeway & Co. any further now
>that he has rescued Kes and she insists "with their help" - thus
>prompting him to offer his support to the crew of Voyager, for
>instance... Lien is fantastic here. I never understood where she took
>such depth at her young age. In order to project depth you must have it
>in you, and she had lots of it.
I was floored when I found out how old Jennifer Lien was...unbelieveable! Part
of that was her deep voice coming from that petite body too.
>
>> >> >> Tuvok was da man!
>> >> >
>> >> >He still is - even with nothing to do he rules!
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> How could I add anything to that?
>> >
>> >He's just THE BEST! :-)
>>
>> Those scenes where he found Neelix in the transporter room, and then the
>bath,
>> were hilarious.
>
>some of my all time favorite VOY-scenes... and one of the reasons why I
>like the Tuvok/Neelix pairing so much - these two had oodles of
>chemistry together right from the beginning...
So true, and it would be nice to see how that relationship has progressed from
those points. It will be fun to see the eps in sydication when they run them
in order...I would imagine a Neelix/Tuvok theme week would be too much to ask
for!
>
>> The best indeed...maybe they will rediscover that this year.
>
>if only....
>
>Julianna (who will be convinced that things are getting better for
>Tuvok, once she's seen it - no sooner)
I am with you here!
Doreen
DTaejdH
<glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>DTaejdH wrote:
>>
>> In article <37E153E...@hotmail.com>, Julianna Feigl
>> <glacie...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>
>
>
>> >with that much more reason to watch it - since one major weakness would've
>> >been eliminated! (I know I'm mean - but considering how much screentime he
>> >usually gets and how little he does with it I wouldn't mind never seeing
>him
>> >again)
>>
>> That screentime in season 5 would have been about equal to GW's and RDM's
>> without The Fight (according to Brandon's lines I think...although I
>haven't
>> gone back to check them...)
>
>probably yes, but he got "The Fight" as well and thus ended up as the #4
>actor... which means he was quite prominent...
I can't argue with that, esp. over Tuvok's numbers. However, it sounds like
season 6 is more promising for Tuvok than Chakotay, so far...
>
>> I still say that this has has more to do with Braga than RB...With the
>> exception of BRIEF moments in Course Oblivion, Nothing Human, and Bliss,
>(and a
>> couple of great scenes in Extreme Risk) Chakotay was written as the
>pacifying,
>> provider of alternatives, the loyal officer.
>
>at least Chuckles was there... and he had friends. People aboard liked
>him and asked his advice... or he was able to help (e.g. in B'Elanna's
>case)...
I agree with you here too. They write very isolated characters. Chakotay is
only featured with B'Elanna or Janeway, and unfortunately for you, they seem to
want Tuvok only with Paris. That's one of the reasons I really liked
Juggernaut.
>
>> IMO, of course, he didn't have
>> the screen time i would like to see,
>
>how much more would you want to have? He's already the #4 character!
LOL...you really don't want me to answer this honestly do you??? I'd boot
Seven out the nearest airlock and divide her time between Tuvok, Neelix and
B'Elanna, and free all the rest of her Janeway time for Chakotay. (and that's
my polite answer <vbeg>)
He
>had more than 160% of what Tuvok got! And much better stuff, too. Acting
>challenges, character development - not just lines on the bridge or in
>the briefing room every now and then...
I agree that they really screwed Tuvok this season. On the other hand, unless
he was with B'Elanna, or was in the goo crew, Chakotay was usually offering
Janeway advice that she did not take (making him look superfluous or stupid).
Yes, RB did get some good stuff with the Fight (don't faint..I very often like
surreal shows...Infinite Regress was on of my favs this year, not because of
Seven <gag> but because of the surreal ending with Tuvok) and with Timeless and
Extreme Risk.
I'm not sure that i would say that Chakotay was given any real character
development except in Nothing Human and Extreme Risk. However, I cannot argue
that Chakotay had less than Tuvok, nor would I disagree with you that TR would
bat anything he was given out of the ballpark. It's my analysis of RB that
would differ from yours (what a shock!).
>
>> and considering what they could write for
>> Chakotay (same argument with Tuvok) and don't, I don't have much argument
>with
>> what RB did with what he was given.
>
>What's the bet that Russ would've done a lot more with that quantity of
>material no matter what the quality?
LOL, not taken, since my analysis of RB would definitely be different than
yours!! But seriously, the writing for Tuvok would rarely make him look like
he did not understand something, or have the capability to do it, or that
Janeway would prefer Seven (who somehow did not assimilate knowledge of how to
speak or be polite, but knows everything everything else in the whole freaking
universe...sorry, in a bad mood this morning!). I sometimes think this is why
they opt NOT to write for Tuvok.
>
>> (And yes, like you, I prefer season 4's
>> writing for both characters in many ways--Nemesis and Waking Moments being
>2
>> of my all-time favorites.)
>
>Nemesis is definitely not among my favorites - I almost missed Tuvok's
>appearance at the end the first time round, since I was about to fall
>asleep.
LOL, I'm in good company, since TR sighted both of them as 2 of his favorites
and examples of what he would consider good, traditional Trek shows in that
online interview someone posted the addy for here a while back.
I always think of you when I watch it though, since Tuvok's outmaneuvering of
Paris was so slick. I always laugh because had it been Paris who went to the
surface, I'm convinced Chakotay would have blown his head off (making you very
happy:-). It was Tuvok's distinctive manner of speech and calm rationalization
that convinced Chakotay of what was real. That was one of many things I liked
about it, that and the fact that Chakotay doesn't just "get over it" at the
end.
As for Waking Moments... well, that *does* have some redeeming
>qualities IMO... :-)
It certainly does, and it used a lot of people very well, and was a different
type of story.
>
>> I still believe that they don't want the male officers challenging Janeway,
>so
>> all that fun goes to Seven (and once in a blue moon, B'Elanna).
>
>
>Even then there are those that *do* get scenes and those that don't...
No disagreement here, and if the spoilers for Equinox are true, Tuvok still
believes the Captain is always right..or at least knows when to quit before
Chakotay does.
>
>> >> (but the vauge hope
>> >> that Tuvok has a good year?)
>> >>
>> >
>> >sigh! not very likely...
>>
>> Sounding more hopeful though!
>
>I will believe when I see.... I've been disappointed once too often to
>trust these people at Paramount any longer...
I can see why. But it is sounding encouraging that there seem to be more
ensemble type eps ahead.
>
>> LOL, think of the fun discussion if Braga proves
>> us wrong and actually uses Tuvok this season!!
>
>would be great, but somehow I can't imagine this anymore...
See, even more interesting discussion, lol, he's going to blow our minds...(not
that I really believe this will happen... I think it would have to be 3 full
Tuvok eps for you, and J/C for me, and I think Dan Quayle will be the next
president before that happens...)
Doreen
DTaejdH
>Early 50's??!! Good heavens. Well, that definately rates as one of
>those "must be in the eye of the beholder", LOL.
Definitely!
Both Beltran and Russ
>look (and act I might add) to me to be in their early to mid 40's.
>Maybe that's because I'm nearing 40 myself. I mean, I think Beltran
>actually looks better with the grey.
Me too, and since I'm the the same age, perhaps it's the perspective!
>
>Since neither have every married, that I know of, they both seems rather
>"boyishly mature". If that makes any sense. And yes, I am generally
>attracted to older men.
Makes perfect sense to me, and I fall into that same category of being
attracted to older men.
Maybe that's why the Brad Pitt's and Tom
>Cruise's of the world do absolutely nothing for me!
>
>klp
I can't say the same thing about Brad Pitt, but yes, I'd prefer RB or TR to
either of them:-)
Doreen
DTaejdH
>I'm afraid the number of lines is irrelevant to me; if the lines are
>repetitious not much you can do with that. And I don't feel that any
>characters have had much "character development" with the exception of
>Seven (with whom on occasion TPTB actually do a decent job) and to some
>extent the Doctor and Harry. For the others, it seems they've either
>stagnated or IMO regressed.
I agree with you here. The three you cited had a very good year, and so did
Paris. IMO, Tuvok vanished, Janeway, B'Elanna, and Chakotay regressed, and
Neelix stagnated.
>
>Unfortunately I have to agree with the pessimistic view of Paramount and
>Braga. In some blurb I saw somewhere, Braga (or Berman?) said that
>season six would continue to strengthen what they started in season
>five. Whatever the hell that means.
LOL, more Harry, Seven, and the Doc? More Captain Proton? Hopefully, we can
be more optomistic and hope that they continue to show Chakotay and B'Elanna's
friendship, more intermingling of characters (like in Juggernaut), and more of
a move to emphasis on interaction between the crew.
>
>Just peachy.
>
I'm more inclined toward this reaction myself.
Doreen
(waiting to be pleasantly surprised)
DTaejdH
(Shammie) writes:
>>>His hair is darker now, right? So did they put the gray in, or have they
>>>taken
>>>it out?
>>
>>Taken it out. In his movie Managua (1997) is hair is short and pretty gray.
>>When asked about it in his last chat, RB said he doesn't really care what
>>they
>>do with his hair, but sometimes he thinks it looks like they stuck an anvil
>>on
>>his head...and I think about it now, everytime I see his hair!
>
>Oh dear!
>It looked so much better in Caretaker.
>It looked the worst in the Fight, I hate that Caesar do.
>
>
LOL...the Caesar do!! I'm going to think that every time I look at Paris' hair
now (and I like it better that way on RDM...his hair in season 4 was worse than
KM's, IMO).
I thought "the Caesar do" was appropriate for fighting tho--much more likely
that his hair would be that way.
I think I like RB's hair best like he wore it Caretaker, or like he wears it
himself, rather than "the Elvis do" (as someone on my listserve coined it) that
they normally have Chakotay wear.
Doreen
Brandy Plum Pie
>
>
>Shammie wrote:
>
>> > (Chris Whitehead)
>>
>> >: > I have no
>> >: >idea how Paramount expects to get new fans of the show. Unless
they're
>> >: >using the 3 B's of Marketing...
>> >
>> >: what are those?
>> >
>>
>> LOL!!
>> So three are even better than two?
>
>Then I don't stand a chance...
I wouldn't say that.....
<thinks - cleavage>
Brandy Plum Pie
Julianna Feigl wrote in message <37E275...@hotmail.com>...
>Shammie wrote:
>> Jules wrote:
>>
>> >> >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>> >>
>> >> LOL!!
>> >> So three are even better than two?
>> >
>> >Then I don't stand a chance...
>>
>> Nope, guess not.
>
>But neither do you! <beg>
I wouldn't have said that either.....
Shammie
>LOL...the Caesar do!! I'm going to think that every time I look at Paris'
>hair
>now (and I like it better that way on RDM...his hair in season 4 was worse
>than
>KM's, IMO).
>I thought "the Caesar do" was appropriate for fighting tho--much more likely
>that his hair would be that way.
>I think I like RB's hair best like he wore it Caretaker,
I liked it too. I like salt n pepper hair.
or like he wears it
>himself, rather than "the Elvis do" (as someone on my listserve coined it)
>that
>they normally have Chakotay wear.
How did you like it in In the Flesh?
I thought he and 8472ette had really good chemistry.
Shammie
>> >> >Boobs, Boobs, Boobs.
>> >>
>> >> LOL!!
>> >> So three are even better than two?
>> >
>> >Then I don't stand a chance...
>>
>> LOL!
>> Nope, guess not.
>
>But neither do you! <beg>
True!
Ah, but shoulder to shoulder, we could conquer the world!
perk...@aol.com
dta...@aol.com (DTaejdH) wrote:
> I can't argue with that, esp. over Tuvok's numbers. However, it
sounds like season 6 is more promising for Tuvok than Chakotay, so
far...
>
Russ does appear to have more to do, although one spoiler I read looks
like a rehash of "The Changeling" from TOS, where Uhuru's brain I
downloaded. Looks like they try the same thing with Tuvok. Maybe TPTB
can't download originality.
> >
Chakotay was written as the pacifying, provider of alternatives, the
loyal officer.
> I agree that they really screwed Tuvok this season. On the other
hand, unless he was with B'Elanna, or was in the goo crew, Chakotay was
usually offering Janeway advice that she did not take (making him look
superfluous or stupid).
Bingo
>examples of what he would consider good, traditional Trek shows in
that online interview someone posted the addy for here a while back.
> I always think of you when I watch it though, since Tuvok's
outmaneuvering of Paris was so slick. I always laugh because had it
been Paris who went to the surface, I'm convinced Chakotay would have
blown his head off (making you very happy:-).
ROTFLMAO! I guess you did have a bad morning! But, that last line did
make me laugh.
>It was Tuvok's distinctive manner of speech and calm rationalization
that convinced Chakotay of what was real. about it, that and the fact
that Chakotay doesn't just "get over it" at the end.
>
Yes, I rather liked that. Great last line.
>
> >
> >> I still believe that they don't want the male officers challenging
Janeway, so
> >> all that fun goes to Seven (and once in a blue moon, B'Elanna).
> >Even then there are those that *do* get scenes and those that
don't...
>
> No disagreement here, and if the spoilers for Equinox are true, Tuvok
still believes the Captain is always right..or at least knows when to
quit before Chakotay does.
>
From what I read Tuvok disagrees too, but as you say Chak doesn't know
when to stop, and apparently nearly ends up in the brig. Don't mess
with Mama Janeway .. .
> I think Dan Quayle will be the next president before that happens...)
>
> Doreen
Uh, Doreen. Now you're worrying me. . . . .