Janeway and Chakotay DEFINITELY slept together
Sunil Uppal
The emotional strain on the entire crew of knowing that they will very
likely never get home would have sent them running into each other's arms
(And beds) long ago. For Janeway and Chakotay to have their situation
made even more hopeless leaves little doubt that they would have become
romantically involved. Remember, even if she did find a cure, Voyager was
gone. As far as they knew they were NEVER going to leave that planet!
Sean
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Ben Violette
>>
>> The emotional strain on the entire crew of knowing that they will very
>> likely never get home would have sent them running into each other's arms
>> (And beds) long ago. For Janeway and Chakotay to have their situation
>> made even more hopeless leaves little doubt that they would have become
>> romantically involved. Remember, even if she did find a cure, Voyager was
>> gone. As far as they knew they were NEVER going to leave that planet!
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> "Please be gentle, it's my first post."
>
The show seems to have avoided the possiblity that characters with back-home
relationships will find new companions on Voyager. Belanna and Harry would be
together otherwise I think. And Tuvix and Kes might have not had such a
problem with it. So why would the Captain sleeping around on her
husband/boyfriend be dealt with so lightly? I don't think it would have. I
don't think they had sex. Besides, she'd nver get her dogs back.
pete cruz
In <uppal-14059...@vic-as-01a15.direct.ca> up...@direct.ca
(Sunil Uppal) writes:
>
>The emotional strain on the entire crew of knowing that they will very
>likely never get home would have sent them running into each other's
arms
>(And beds) long ago. For Janeway and Chakotay to have their situation
>made even more hopeless leaves little doubt that they would have
become
>romantically involved. Remember, even if she did find a cure, Voyager
was
>gone. As far as they knew they were NEVER going to leave that planet!
>Sean
>"Please be gentle, it's my first post."
I'll try, but it'll be tough! First off, the very idea that they must
have slept together because their situation was hopeless is sophomoric
at best. I know everyone else seems to think there was this big secret
romance revealed, but I still think that when Janeway said "we have to
talk about this," she was talking about it as a problem, not an
opportunity. And Chakotay's story was about devotion and support, his
story didn't say: "And the woman warrior and her new found comrade
boinked each other like crazy." He was saying that he had found peace.
Now with my personal, and admittedly biased, perspective aside. What if
it had been Janeway and say, B'Lanna stranded together. Would you
assume that they would have sex together simply because they were in a
hopeless situation? Sexual preferences aside (and homophobia is
supposed to be dead in their century, though it may be because there
are no homosexuals around anymore), must any two people in a desperate
situation find their only solace in sex? Or is it just because the
Captain is a woman that we must come to the conclusion that she would
sleep with whatever man she got stuck with. She's already had children
with Paris (ick). Will we have to see her seducing Harry next? Or
fighting with Kes over Neelix?
People do have sex. And people do find relationships in strange and/or
stressful situations sometimes, but all the time? Sure they may have
been stressed about their situation, but have you ever heard of
masterbation? People are complex creatures and no one can say that in
situation A, result B will happen regardless of who the people in
situation A are.
The bottom line for me is that I don't care what the writers intended
or what the majority seems to think. I prefer to see the whole
Resolutions thing as a discovery of respect and admiration, and deep
support/commitment to each other, something far rarer than a roll in
the hay.
--oberon
EricL642
In article <4nmif1$o...@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com>,
pete...@ix.netcom.com(pete cruz) writes:
>The bottom line for me is that I don't care what the writers intended
>or what the majority seems to think. I prefer to see the whole
>Resolutions thing as a discovery of respect and admiration, and deep
>support/commitment to each other, something far rarer than a roll in
>the hay.
ditto
Eric
Jonesboro GA
Peyton Creadick
Personally, I thought that the linking hands was better than any screen
kiss I could have hoped for. Also, I do not think it symbolized their
eventually role in the hay either. I think that it was an agreement
between the two of them to see where things go....after all I don't think
janeway was quite ready to give up on Voyager, getting home or her life
back on earth. I'd like to see some relationships pop up though. Trek is
so leary of these things.
-
PEYTON CREADICK VES...@prodigy.com
"Zathros can never have anything nice."
Veronica A. Paiz
Ben Violette (be...@accessnv.com) wrote:
> >
> The show seems to have avoided the possiblity that characters with back-home
> relationships will find new companions on Voyager. Belanna and Harry would be
> together otherwise I think. And Tuvix and Kes might have not had such a
B'elanna *always* fantasizes about Chakotay. I don't think she'd go for
Harry; he's too much of a boy for her.
V.
Kate
In article <4nm8hm$duc...@news.accessnv.com>
be...@accessnv.com (Ben Violette) writes:
> >> The emotional strain on the entire crew of knowing that they will very
> >> likely never get home would have sent them running into each other's arms
> >> (And beds) long ago. For Janeway and Chakotay to have their situation
> >> made even more hopeless leaves little doubt that they would have become
> >> romantically involved. Remember, even if she did find a cure, Voyager was
> >> gone. As far as they knew they were NEVER going to leave that planet!
> >>
> >> Sean
> >>
> >> "Please be gentle, it's my first post."
> >
> The show seems to have avoided the possiblity that characters with back-home
> relationships will find new companions on Voyager. Belanna and Harry would be
> together otherwise I think. And Tuvix and Kes might have not had such a
> problem with it. So why would the Captain sleeping around on her
> husband/boyfriend be dealt with so lightly? I don't think it would have. I
> don't think they had sex. Besides, she'd nver get her dogs back.
I don't believe they slept together. It took Janeway a long time to
adjust to the fact that they were not getting off the planet. That
little talk about loyalty, was a talk about giving Janeway the space
and time she needed, and that when she was ready Chakotay would be
there waiting. No pressure. His looks and glances and touches, however,
communicated very stongly how he felt. I think he actually was looking
forward to this camping trip, to get Janeway further from her Captain
environment, and move along the trail of being adventurers (on this new
planet) together.
I think Janeway was rapidly approaching the relationship point, but she
was there yet when Voyager contacted them. There was an exchanged look
of dissappointment between them.
This way the writers have created a very important bond, one to be
played off of and maybe even privately acted upon,....later.
Cleo
pa...@is2.nyu.edu (Veronica A. Paiz) wrote:
>
> Ben Violette (be...@accessnv.com) wrote:
> > >
> > The show seems to have avoided the possiblity that characters with back-home
> > relationships will find new companions on Voyager. Belanna and Harry would be
> > together otherwise I think. And Tuvix and Kes might have not had such a
>
> Harry; he's too much of a boy for her.
>
> V.
Actually, I think that Tom Paris will be the one for B'Elanna, however,I do like
the idea of Janeway and Chakotay, he's the only character strong enough for her.
Stephen
How about Janeway and Tuvok?
Stephen
Paul & Michelle
> > B'elanna *always* fantasizes about Chakotay.
Hunh? She hallucinated about him once, in "Persistence of Vision," and it
was the sort of dream she seemed utterly humiliated by once she came to
her senses. If B'Elanna Torres, the strongest woman we've ever had on
Trek, really wants "the Chakotay you've always wanted me to be"--the one
who drags her away from duty after disregarding his own reponsibilities,
assumes no means yes and kisses her while she's resisting, throws her on a
bed before she can speak, and gets her to growl like a Klingon for
him--then she needs YEARS of therapy to find out why her oedipus complex
is manifesting itself in turn-of-the-(20th)-century romance novel
conventions. Not that Janeway looked any better, kissing first a holoimage
and then a nasty projection of her former lover when she had a ship to
save). I think we have to assume that the alien was NOT projecting the
women's deepest desires, but their deep-rooted fears that deep down they
ARE only fluff chicks who want nothing more than to be loved by a manly
man, even if he's a phony himself...
Michelle
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tig...@cais.com (Paul & Michelle) wrote:
> If B'Elanna Torres, the strongest woman we've ever had >on
>Trek, really wants "the Chakotay you've always wanted >me to be"--the one
>who drags her away from duty after disregarding his own >reponsibilities,
>assumes no means yes and kisses her while she's >resisting, throws her on
a
>bed before she can speak, and gets her to growl like a >Klingon for
>him--then she needs YEARS of therapy to find out why her >oedipus complex
>is manifesting itself in turn-of-the-(20th)-century >romance novel
Uh, not to be nitpicky, but I think you mean B'Elanna's "Electra Complex"
not "Oedipus Complex." An oedipus complex is son-in-love-with-mom. An
electra complex is daughter-in-love-with-dad.
I knew all that studing of greek mythology in high school would come in
handy one day. ;D
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cbro...@aol.com (CBrownJC) wrote:
>tig...@cais.com (Paul & Michelle) wrote:
>
>> If B'Elanna Torres, the strongest woman we've ever had >on
>>Trek, really wants "the Chakotay you've always wanted >me to be"--the one
>>who drags her away from duty after disregarding his own >reponsibilities,
>>assumes no means yes and kisses her while she's >resisting, throws her on
>a
>>bed before she can speak, and gets her to growl like a >Klingon for
>>him--then she needs YEARS of therapy to find out why her >oedipus complex
>>is manifesting itself in turn-of-the-(20th)-century >romance novel
>
>Uh, not to be nitpicky, but I think you mean B'Elanna's "Electra Complex"
>not "Oedipus Complex." An oedipus complex is son-in-love-with-mom. An
>electra complex is daughter-in-love-with-dad.
>
>I knew all that studing of greek mythology in high school would come in
>handy one day. ;D
>
To nitpick a nitpick: I'd say (despite the sex reversal) an Oedipus
complex is definitely closer than an Electra complex to Torres' feelings.
In the play Electra (from what I remember) her father is dead at the
beginning, she believes, killed by her mother's boyfriend. The play is
basically her, and her surviving brother planning to avenge his murder. I
think they end by killing her mother and the boyfriend.
Back to the original statement up there - definitely not really B'elanna's
sort of relationship.
Back even further to the subject line: NO WAY did Janeway & Chakotay sleep
together!