Borg Breasts: What they mean to the collective (wasRe: - VOYAGER's "Scorpion, Part II" -)
Chris Blaise
Plain and Simple Cronan (*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*) wrote:
: Barry Margolin <bar...@bbnplanet.com> wrote
: > >I find it unusual that a race that does not eat, let alone nurse its
: > >offspring, would have found it needful for her to grow breasts.
: >
: > She has the body of a human female, so this was automatic.
: Let's say there are 4,000,000,000,000 female Borg drones [...]
With the mention of female breasts and figures like the above in
a newsgroup such as this, am I the only one who thought the conversation
was going to intersect with _Revenge of the Nerds_? I can't resist! I
gotta finish it...
Gilbert: So?
Lewis: So, that's 8,000,000,000,000 boobs!
Gilbert/Lewis: <nerd laugh>!
And as a special intersection bonus, James Cromwell as Lewis's
dad:
Dad: You college guys are all alike. Always thinking with [about?] your
penises....I wish I could go with you.
Gilbert/Lewis: <nerd laugh>!
TTYL
Chris
Victor Marshall
We are Borg, we assimilate all.
What happens if one of Borg is separated from the collective? How can we
assure that she will still have weaponry to assimilate?
No problem... here's two 150mm artilery shells. Strap 'em to her chest.
No No you induhvidual! POINT THEM OUTWARD! There. Now 7of9 can continue
to assimilate.
Is it our plan that, if she is separated from the collective, she is to
use her artillery shells as a last resort against resistance?
Uh... nobody will *want* to resist.
VM
John & Linda VanSickle
Plain and Simple Cronan wrote:
>
> Barry Margolin <bar...@bbnplanet.com> wrote
> > >I find it unusual that a race that does not eat, let alone nurse its
> > >offspring, would have found it needful for her to grow breasts.
> >
> > She has the body of a human female, so this was automatic.
>
> Let's say there are 4,000,000,000,000 female Borg drones (a conservative
> figure considering he number of solar systems and ships).. The excess
> material required to form the interesting metal bustier would be greater
> than the mass of the Enterprise D given in the tech manual.
> This coupled with the fact that simply cutting them off would reduce the
> number calories need for each borg makes them unnessecary. Not that their
> not nice to look at but....
She was assimilated as a child (IIRC), and therefore the Borg simply needed
to suppress the hormones that caused them to develop.
> Male testes, OTOH....
> They are more than likely removed simply because the purpose of the
> scrotum is to keep the testes cool. Borg outfits just don't have the room.
> If, for some unknown reason, Borg human drone testicles are intact they are
> effectively useless due to their prolonged postion. Unless of course the
> suits have a way of transfering the heat. This would seem to be explain the
> higher temperature and humidty on a Borg ship. This could all be remedied
> if the Borg allows the breasts and testicles to hang free effectively
> securing a whole new audience for ST in particular and UPN in general....
It's likely that the testes are absorbed (after assimilation) or simply
don't develop (if the drone in question is born into the collective).
Since there hasn't been any pregnant Borg sighted, it's likely that baby
Borg are grown in special chambers for this purpose.
--
Dantalion will ride again the course of evils standing straight
Hot metal will abound the land as the form regards our blazing hand
Krow
Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
Krow
Chris Blaise wrote in article <5upqmm$l...@swen.emba.uvm.edu>...
>
>Plain and Simple Cronan (*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*) wrote:
>
>
>: Barry Margolin <bar...@bbnplanet.com> wrote
>: > >I find it unusual that a race that does not eat, let alone nurse its
>: > >offspring, would have found it needful for her to grow breasts.
>: >
>: > She has the body of a human female, so this was automatic.
>
Matt Maurano
People, People. Borgs have breasts for ratings. In the 24th century, a
Q named "Neilson" has deemed such things as these "breasts" as king to
recieve more ratings. Simple as that.
David Hines
In article <34108A...@svl.ems.spamCookie.lmco.com>,
Victor Marshall <VMar...@svl.ems.spamCookie.lmco.com> wrote:
>
>We are Borg, we assimilate all.
>
>What happens if one of Borg is separated from the collective? How can we
>assure that she will still have weaponry to assimilate?
>
>No problem... here's two 150mm artilery shells. Strap 'em to her chest.
>No No you induhvidual! POINT THEM OUTWARD! There. Now 7of9 can continue
>to assimilate.
OH, MY GHOD, IT'S "APHRODITE A !!!!"
(3 point ref.)
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David E. Sluss
John & Linda VanSickle <vans...@erols.com>
JLV>Since there hasn't been any pregnant Borg sighted, it's likely that
JLV>baby Borg are grown in special chambers for this purpose.
No, it's likely that there's no such thing as a baby Borg. The Borg
"reproduce" by assimilating other species. There's no need for them to
"grow" their own children. And now you say to yourself, "Self, what about
the Borg babies that the away team saw in "Q Who?" Yes, it is true that
human(oid) babies with Borg implants were sighted, and it's true that the
chump Riker reported that the Borg are "born human, and have implants put
in shortly after birth," but that is an _assumption_ on his part, not
supported by the evidence he viewed. It is just as likely, if not more
likely, that those babies were members of another species attacked by the
Borg and were in the process of being assimilated when they were
discovered.
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Magus
David E. Sluss wrote:
> No, it's likely that there's no such thing as a baby Borg. The Borg
> "reproduce" by assimilating other species. There's no need for them to
> "grow" their own children. And now you say to yourself, "Self, what about
> the Borg babies that the away team saw in "Q Who?" Yes, it is true that
> human(oid) babies with Borg implants were sighted, and it's true that the
> chump Riker reported that the Borg are "born human, and have implants put
> in shortly after birth," but that is an _assumption_ on his part, not
> supported by the evidence he viewed. It is just as likely, if not more
> likely, that those babies were members of another species attacked by the
> Borg and were in the process of being assimilated when they were
> discovered.
episode, Riker wasn't just giving false presumptions. The writers were
laying out the Borg identity in that episode and the baby-scene was
meant to establish the Borg reproductive cycle. Perhaps the writers
changed their minds later when they added the assimilation business, but
the original impression is that the Borg do reproduce.
Sorcere...@hotmail.com: "It's a letter...shall we burn it?"
David E. Sluss
David E. Sluss <slu...@pitt.edu> wrote:
DES>No, it's likely that there's no such thing as a baby Borg. The Borg
DES>"reproduce" by assimilating other species. There's no need for them to
DES>"grow" their own children. And now you say to yourself, "Self, what
DES>about the Borg babies that the away team saw in "Q Who?" Yes, it is
DES>true that human(oid) babies with Borg implants were sighted, and it's
DES>true that the chump Riker reported that the Borg are "born human, and
DES>have implants put in shortly after birth," but that is an _assumption_
DES>on his part, not supported by the evidence he viewed. It is just as
DES>likely, if not more likely, that those babies were members of another
DES>species attacked by the Borg and were in the process of being
DES>assimilated when they were discovered.
Magus <Sorcere...@hotmail.com> wrote:
M>I don't think so. Keep in mind that, in the overall context of the
M>episode, Riker wasn't just giving false presumptions. The writers were
M>laying out the Borg identity in that episode and the baby-scene was
M>meant to establish the Borg reproductive cycle. Perhaps the writers
M>changed their minds later when they added the assimilation business, but
M>the original impression is that the Borg do reproduce.
Yes, that may be the case. Let's remember that while the Borg talked about
"assimilating" the Enterprise in "Q Who?", we never actually found out
what "assimilation" meant (i.e. turning people into Borg) until BOBW.
It seems likely to me that the exact details of assimilation may not have
been decided upon by the writers until much later. The "baby scene" leaves
open several possibilities, including Riker's conclusion. But, given what
we later learned about the Borg, I think my theory makes the most sense;
of course the Borg concept has been so screwed up of late that what makes
sense is not necessarily what is so.
John & Linda VanSickle
Krow wrote:
>
> Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
And a right stupid idea she was...
Magus
David E. Sluss wrote:
> The "baby scene" leaves open several possibilities, including Riker's
> conclusion. But, given what we later learned about the Borg, I think
> my theory makes the most sense; of course the Borg concept has been so
> screwed up of late that what makes sense is not necessarily what is so.
writers just pretend "Scorpion" never happened...
Sorcere...@hotmail.com: "We are the Bork. Resistance is fukile."
David Johnston
David E. Sluss wrote:
>
> John & Linda VanSickle <vans...@erols.com>
> JLV>Since there hasn't been any pregnant Borg sighted, it's likely that
> JLV>baby Borg are grown in special chambers for this purpose.
>
> No, it's likely that there's no such thing as a baby Borg. The Borg
> "reproduce" by assimilating other species. There's no need for them to
Since they inhabit entire worlds, that's quite unlikely.
> "grow" their own children. And now you say to yourself, "Self, what about
> the Borg babies that the away team saw in "Q Who?" Yes, it is true that
> human(oid) babies with Borg implants were sighted, and it's true that the
> chump Riker reported that the Borg are "born human, and have implants put
> in shortly after birth," but that is an _assumption_ on his part, not
> supported by the evidence he viewed. It is just as likely, if not more
> likely, that those babies were members of another species attacked by the
> Borg and were in the process of being assimilated when they were
> discovered.
Er, why? They would offer nothing to the Borg Collective. Of course
the whole concept of the Borg has been significantly changed since
those days.
Theflinx
Magus <Sorcere...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<341182...@hotmail.com>...
> David E. Sluss wrote:
> > No, it's likely that there's no such thing as a baby Borg. The Borg
> > "reproduce" by assimilating other species. There's no need for them to
> > "grow" their own children. And now you say to yourself, "Self, what
about
> > the Borg babies that the away team saw in "Q Who?" Yes, it is true that
> > human(oid) babies with Borg implants were sighted, and it's true that
the
> > chump Riker reported that the Borg are "born human, and have implants
put
> > in shortly after birth," but that is an _assumption_ on his part, not
> > supported by the evidence he viewed. It is just as likely, if not more
> > likely, that those babies were members of another species attacked by
the
> > Borg and were in the process of being assimilated when they were
> > discovered.
> I don't think so. Keep in mind that, in the overall context of the
> episode, Riker wasn't just giving false presumptions. The writers were
> laying out the Borg identity in that episode and the baby-scene was
> meant to establish the Borg reproductive cycle. Perhaps the writers
> changed their minds later when they added the assimilation business, but
> the original impression is that the Borg do reproduce.
>
When you think about it while assimilation is a useful source of
technological growth it would be a very inefficient method for the Borg to
expand it's population or even maintain it's current population. After all
no one has said that the Borg are either immortal or invulnerable Even
given the relative density of the ST universe the space is just that -
space. It would take far less energy for the Borg to reproduce naturally
and use assimilation for the purpose of obtaining technology and diversity
(within the Borg format of course) which is what was established as their
motive in TNG
--
TheFlinx
Ben Bova, upon examining the NASA's plan for a zero G toilet:
As far as I can tell the shit is SUPPOSED to hit the fan
Keith Morrison
David E. Sluss wrote:
> Yes, that may be the case. Let's remember that while the Borg talked about
> "assimilating" the Enterprise in "Q Who?", we never actually found out
> what "assimilation" meant (i.e. turning people into Borg) until BOBW.
> It seems likely to me that the exact details of assimilation may not have
> been decided upon by the writers until much later. The "baby scene" leaves
> open several possibilities, including Riker's conclusion. But, given what
> we later learned about the Borg, I think my theory makes the most sense;
> of course the Borg concept has been so screwed up of late that what makes
> sense is not necessarily what is so.
But there is a severe flaw in the theory and that is this--what happens
if you deplete a section of space of sentient lifeforms and then all
of a sudden need replacements? Sure, aside from the Shad...er...
Species 8972 the Borg haven't faced that big a threat but there must
have been a point where they weren't that powerful, someone could
possibly take them (or at least hold them off) and they needed some
kind of reproduction capability aside from assimilation.
Or, and here's an off-the-wall theory, what if they snatch populations
to set up farms for new bodies when required? Some out of the way
little planet where the natives worship the great metal gods who
swoop down now and then to collect some sacrifices.
--
Keith Morrison
lone...@nbnet.nb.ca
David M. Sueme
On 7 Sep 1997 00:51:47 GMT, "Theflinx" <tetde...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>When you think about it while assimilation is a useful source of
>technological growth it would be a very inefficient method for the Borg to
>expand it's population or even maintain it's current population.
Fine, except that the Borg are no longer under the exclusive control
of the evolutionary dictum "more DNA is better". Now, arguably, they
answer to "bigger caches are better".
No, such an abstraction is not developed.
Dave
Scott Peterson
Krow wrote:
>
> Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
>
No. Actually her costume had them. In the scene where she was joined
with the costume she was petty much a head, neck and backbone.
Scott Peterson
David Johnston
Magus wrote:
>
> David E. Sluss wrote:
> > The "baby scene" leaves open several possibilities, including Riker's
> > conclusion. But, given what we later learned about the Borg, I think
> > my theory makes the most sense; of course the Borg concept has been so
> > screwed up of late that what makes sense is not necessarily what is so.
> That's the truth! The Borg may never be the same, unless Star Trek
> writers just pretend "Scorpion" never happened...
And that Star Trek Nine never happened. And that Hugh never happened...
MIC
David E. Sluss wrote:
>
> John & Linda VanSickle <vans...@erols.com>
> JLV>Since there hasn't been any pregnant Borg sighted, it's likely that
> JLV>baby Borg are grown in special chambers for this purpose.
>
> "reproduce" by assimilating other species. There's no need for them to
> "grow" their own children. And now you say to yourself, "Self, what about
> the Borg babies that the away team saw in "Q Who?" Yes, it is true that
> human(oid) babies with Borg implants were sighted, and it's true that the
> chump Riker reported that the Borg are "born human, and have implants put
> in shortly after birth," but that is an _assumption_ on his part, not
> supported by the evidence he viewed. It is just as likely, if not more
> likely, that those babies were members of another species attacked by the
> Borg and were in the process of being assimilated when they were
> discovered.
> \\ David E. Sluss --- A.K.A. Slugenstein \ SLUGS trivia: \
> \\_________email: slu...@pitt.edu_____________\____"Follow the trail"______\
> // "I'm impatient with stupidity. My people / Commercial email will be /
> // have learned to live without it" - Klaatu / returned to sender in bulk /
7 of 9 enters the Voyager series waring a sexy but tasteful female Borg
outfit and the next thing I know you assholes are trying to figure out
where
baby Borg come from. Can't you just enjoy the series? I find some of
these
post entertaining.....but stupid.
VRVPhantom
>Idiocy, being your creed, may come second nature to you but some, and we
>are rare, leave our brains in think mode while watching.
He or She was just saying that if you disect a TV show to death then what
is the fun of watching?? Just cause some one is able to look over little
inconsistencies in a TV show does not make them an idiot.
"Words of wisdom sometimes come from the most unlikely sources....for some
the answer is crystalized in a instant and all sides are chosen" Cogliostro
John & Linda VanSickle
Keith Morrison wrote:
>
> David E. Sluss wrote:
>
> > "assimilating" the Enterprise in "Q Who?", we never actually found out
> > what "assimilation" meant (i.e. turning people into Borg) until BOBW.
> > It seems likely to me that the exact details of assimilation may not have
> > open several possibilities, including Riker's conclusion. But, given what
> > we later learned about the Borg, I think my theory makes the most sense;
> > of course the Borg concept has been so screwed up of late that what makes
> > sense is not necessarily what is so.
>
> if you deplete a section of space of sentient lifeforms and then all
> of a sudden need replacements? Sure, aside from the Shad...er...
> Species 8972 the Borg haven't faced that big a threat but there must
> have been a point where they weren't that powerful, someone could
> possibly take them (or at least hold them off) and they needed some
> kind of reproduction capability aside from assimilation.
What was the population of Earth after WWIII in ST:FC? Was it more or
less than 8 billion?
David E. Sluss
Magus wrote:
M>The Borg may never be the same, unless Star Trek
M>writers just pretend "Scorpion" never happened...
David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
DJ>And that Star Trek Nine never happened.
Funny... I was under the impression that it hadn't yet :)
DJ>And that Hugh never happened...
Much as I've always like "I, Borg" as an episode, it really was the
beginning of the end of the Borg as a real menace. At this point they seem
hardly more threatening than the Romulans or the Cardassians.
David E. Sluss
David E. Sluss wrote:
[speculation about where baby Borg come from]
MIC <dr...@flash.net> wrote:
MIC>7 of 9 enters the Voyager series waring a sexy but tasteful female
MIC>Borg outfit and the next thing I know you assholes are trying to
MIC>figure out where baby Borg come from. Can't you just enjoy the
MIC>series? I find some of these post entertaining.....but stupid.
Another satisfied customer.
MIC
Thank you. I appreciate your comment.
I have enjoyed all of the Star Trek series and have all of the T.N.G and
many Voyager episodes in my collection. The programs are entertaining
and fun to watch. I'm as much of a Trekie as anyone, I just don't
understand, or like, all the criticism and dissection of good family
entertainment. I also think 7 of 9 will be an interesting addition to
the series.
MIC
Plain and Simple Cronan
MIC <dr...@flash.net> wrote
> 7 of 9 enters the Voyager series waring a sexy but tasteful female Borg
> outfit and the next thing I know you assholes are trying to figure out
> where
> baby Borg come from. Can't you just enjoy the series?
Idiocy, being your creed, may come second nature to you but some, and we
are rare, leave our brains in think mode while watching.
I find some of
> these
> post entertaining.....but stupid.
I find you merely stupid. Be proud. You have skipped step one and
progressed onto the next level.
glacia
As long as the body functions I don't think they would care what
unnecessary parts develop on it. They would think no more of another
body than we would a fingernail and no more about breasts than we would
those ridges on our nails. They're not worth the time it would take to
remove or supress them.
ej-lol
"David E. Sluss" <slu...@pitt.edu> wrote:
>
>
>No, it's likely that there's no such thing as a baby Borg. The Borg
>"reproduce" by assimilating other species.
The borg assimilate that taking parts from bio and non-bio species and
yes they do have baby borgs. Most baby borgs start out being
biological .
I am no doctor, nor do I play one on TV (or anywhere else).
Magus
David E. Sluss wrote:
>
> Magus wrote:
> > The Borg may never be the same, unless Star Trek
> > writers just pretend "Scorpion" never happened...
David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> > And that Star Trek Nine never happened.
> Funny... I was under the impression that it hadn't yet :)
I'm rather strange in that regard. I loved the movie and thought
it was the best Star Trek film yet. However, I do understand the
complaints against it. The Borg Queen was silly (and unneccessary) and
the Data/Queenie thing should've been left out. But so many scenes were
not only in keeping with the Borg spirit but also genuinely eerie (the
ensign looks up at Picard as his face is ripped through by the Borg
nanites, Picard hears Data's thoughts reaching out of the Borg song)
that it easily overcomes some of the shoddier elements concerning the
time-travelling queen.
> DJ>And that Hugh never happened...
> Much as I've always like "I, Borg" as an episode, it really was the
> beginning of the end of the Borg as a real menace. At this point they seem
> hardly more threatening than the Romulans or the Cardassians.
Same here. I did like the episode, but it made the Borg into
sympathetic characters. Once the Borg became something that the viewers
could relate to, they began to lose their effectiveness. Scorpion
completed the process by having the Borg show emotions, negotiate, and
act treacherous--all things that make the Borg less alien and more like
mean humans in rubber suits. Just like Star Trek's other villains.
Sorcere...@hotmail.com: "You got whacked 'cuz you're weak."
Dswynne
yeah, think of cloning!
Plain and Simple Cronan
VRVPhantom <vrvph...@aol.com> wrote
> He or She was just saying that if you disect a TV show to death then what
> is the fun of watching?? Just cause some one is able to look over little
> inconsistencies in a TV show does not make them an idiot.
Who is disecting? I am not talking about something like someone making a
silly comment about warp speed I am talking about whole story elements
being ridiculous.
Blake Richardson
>>> And that Star Trek Nine never happened.
>>Funny... I was under the impression that it hadn't yet :)
>I'm rather strange in that regard. I loved the movie and thought
>it was the best Star Trek film yet.
I think the point was that ST: First Contact was Star Trek 8, not Star
Trek 9. Number 9 hasn't happened yet.
Franklin Hummel
In article <341351...@hotmail.com>,
Magus <Sorcere...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Same here. I did like the episode, but it made the Borg into
>sympathetic characters. Once the Borg became something that the viewers
>could relate to, they began to lose their effectiveness. Scorpion
>completed the process by having the Borg show emotions, negotiate, and
>act treacherous--all things that make the Borg less alien and more like
>mean humans in rubber suits. Just like Star Trek's other villains.
Indeed. Part of the problem with STAR TREK's writing is, in my
opinion, they often to not understand their own series. The Borg in
particular were a creative introduction to the Trek Universe which has
been used in recent years to help the series when it started to flounder
(just most recently on VOYAGER and with the 2nd TNG movie).
But they are used in a way which shows the writers don't really
understand the Borg's original concept. Certainly the worse example of
this was the Borg Queen. One can see behind it the typical cliche writers
thinking that Picard had to have an -individual- enemy to go against, to
make the battle a personal one, rather than him having to fight the Borg
as a collective.
-- Franklin Hummel [ hum...@world.std.com ]
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In article <34135E...@flash.net>,
wa...@flash.net wrote:
>
> VRVPhantom wrote:
> > He or She was just saying that if you disect a TV show to death then what
> > is the fun of watching?? Just cause some one is able to look over little
> > inconsistencies in a TV show does not make them an idiot.
> >
> > the answer is crystalized in a instant and all sides are chosen" Cogliostro
>
> Thank you. I appreciate your comment.
> I have enjoyed all of the Star Trek series and have all of the T.N.G and
> many Voyager episodes in my collection. The programs are entertaining
> and fun to watch. I'm as much of a Trekie as anyone, I just don't
> understand, or like, all the criticism and dissection of good family
> entertainment. I also think 7 of 9 will be an interesting addition to
> the series.
Entertainment is good, but entertainment that is thought-provoking is
better. Science fiction has always tried to present a self-consistent,
believable future... a future that raises new thoughts and ideas... such
as Star Trek and Babylon 5. Without self-consistency and intelligent
plots, science fiction becomes nothing more than an action movie with
sci-fi props... something to fill in time and nothing more.
That's why people criticize some parts of Trek. They invest time
watching an episode and get back little or nothing. The best episodes
are those that leave you thinking, "What would I do in a situation like
that?"
Troy
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Scott Peterson wrote:
In other other words the Borg Queen had breasts too! And so did every ohter
female actress who played a Borg.
Arthur
Seven of Thirteen
In article <5v1930$i...@nntp.netside.com>, "Jimmy" <jamc...@netside.com> wrote:
> I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg all
>lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females used for
>breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting this would
>ever happen tho.
>
>It would be typical of the borg however.
I don't know, it would be a waste of resources to have pregnant females
simply lying in a factory. Growing babies out of petri dishes would be more of
a possibility.
7 / 13
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On 5 Sep 1997 06:16:32 GMT, "Plain and Simple Cronan"
<*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*> wrote:
> Let's say there are 4,000,000,000,000 female Borg drones (a conservative
>figure considering he number of solar systems and ships).. The excess
>material required to form the interesting metal bustier would be greater
>than the mass of the Enterprise D given in the tech manual.
> This coupled with the fact that simply cutting them off would reduce the
>number calories need for each borg makes them unnessecary. Not that their
>not nice to look at but.... Male testes, OTOH....
Uhh... I'm getting scared here....
> They are more than likely removed simply because the purpose of the
>scrotum is to keep the testes cool. Borg outfits just don't have the room.
>If, for some unknown reason, Borg human drone testicles are intact they are
>effectively useless due to their prolonged postion. Unless of course the
>suits have a way of transfering the heat. This would seem to be explain the
>higher temperature and humidty on a Borg ship. This could all be remedied
>if the Borg allows the breasts and testicles to hang free effectively
>securing a whole new audience for ST in particular and UPN in general....
Ever hear of 'over analysis' or 'over thinking'? Man, you're really
going a little too far with this don't you think?? I'm into Trek as
much as anyone but, when you start to postulate theories about Borg
breasts being 'cut off' or 'gulp' male scrotums getting... I can't say
it.. But, I really hope you see my point.... You may want to take some
time off and get away from Trek for a while.. You know.. To get in
touch with reality and all....
Plain and Simple Cronan
Dave Garber <dga...@ccia.com> wrote ....
>
> Uhh... I'm getting scared here....
Logic does tend to frighten....
> Ever hear of 'over analysis' or 'over thinking'? Man, you're really
> going a little too far with this don't you think?? I'm into Trek as
> much as anyone but, when you start to postulate theories about Borg
> breasts being 'cut off' or 'gulp' male scrotums getting... I can't say
> it.. But, I really hope you see my point.... You may want to take some
> time off and get away from Trek for a while.. You know.. To get in
> touch with reality and all....
Humor. Look into it. I realize it wasn't labelled as such with "knock,
knock" as the opening phrase so the subtle brilliance of it may have flown
over your head at the relative speed of sound but do not accuse me of being
out of touch with whatever your pathetic perception of the all is.
Good Day Sir.
-- Plain and Simple Cronan, X O of the USS Megadittos <*>
Sanity and comprehension are all too often contradictory conditions
Arthur Levesque
Jimmy (jamc...@netside.com) speculated:
J>I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg
J>all lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females
J>used for breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting
J>this would ever happen tho. It would be typical of the borg however.
More typical of the Bene Tleilaxu and their so-called axlotl tanks;
and they only did it that way because of their peculiar religious beliefs
and the ban on all sorts of technology following the Butlerian Jihad.
But you're right; even if such a process were logical for the Borg,
political correctness would guarantee that we'd never see it.
Seven of Thirteen (sev...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
7/13>I don't know, it would be a waste of resources to have pregnant
7/13>females simply lying in a factory. Growing babies out of petri
7/13>dishes would be more of a possibility.
I picture young Borg being created on the assembly lines described in
Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World"...
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Jimmy
I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg all
lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females used for
breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting this would
ever happen tho.
It would be typical of the borg however.
Keith Morrison wrote in article <34122644...@nbnet.nb.ca>...
>
>David E. Sluss wrote:
>
>> Yes, that may be the case. Let's remember that while the Borg talked
about
>> "assimilating" the Enterprise in "Q Who?", we never actually found out
>> what "assimilation" meant (i.e. turning people into Borg) until BOBW.
>> It seems likely to me that the exact details of assimilation may not have
>> been decided upon by the writers until much later. The "baby scene"
leaves
>> open several possibilities, including Riker's conclusion. But, given what
>> we later learned about the Borg, I think my theory makes the most sense;
>> of course the Borg concept has been so screwed up of late that what makes
>> sense is not necessarily what is so.
>
>But there is a severe flaw in the theory and that is this--what happens
>if you deplete a section of space of sentient lifeforms and then all
>of a sudden need replacements? Sure, aside from the Shad...er...
>Species 8972 the Borg haven't faced that big a threat but there must
>have been a point where they weren't that powerful, someone could
>possibly take them (or at least hold them off) and they needed some
>kind of reproduction capability aside from assimilation.
>
Black Fu 2
Howdy,
Why not have big breast on borg women. Face it, there is
logic to it. You see, Borg queens and women have to feed
the whole collective. Now you don't think that they would
have small practically useless breasts like most earth women?
Nope, they will have Monster Mammers!
I hapen to like breast and feel that the writers of the show should
have guest appearences from Candy Samples, Lotta Top,
and other well blessed women. And think, the lesbo Star Trek
cult followers will start to flush once they see the size of those
Mammers! You kill two birds with one stone :)
Just wanted to help :-)
B
The_Doge of St. Louis
> Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
>Krow
Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
I don't know what Borg breasts might mean to the Collective, but to the
Franchise they could mean an increase in revenue. Looks like a sensible
business decision to me.
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Plain and Simple Cronan (*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*) wrote:
> This coupled with the fact that simply cutting them off would reduce the
> number calories need for each borg makes them unnessecary. Not that their
> not nice to look at but.... Male testes, OTOH....
I would just like to add to this discussion the comment that when we first
saw the Borg, we *did* see several infant Borg, so he do reproduce
somehow... of course, it probably isn't through standard genital sex...
--Morris
S'Talex Yhea Rhian
Perhaps (now this is purely a scientific thought, not intended to be
distasteful to anyone) the breasts are used for some type of fluid
storage, or something else close to that concept.
Anyone who read Shatner's "The Return" can see the similarities between
that and the way the Borg used internal organs to purify water in the
book.
Of course, I am just glad that they left them :]
Merrick Baldelli
On Sat, 06 Sep 1997 15:11:49 -0700, John & Linda VanSickle
<vans...@erols.com> wrote:
>
>Krow wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
>
>And a right stupid idea she was...
ROTFLMAO!!! I'm glad I wasn't the only one that thought her
role totally out of place!!!
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zerogee
The_Doge of St. Louis <the...@pobox.com> wrote in article
<thedoge-0809...@ppp-207-193-22-150.stlsmo.swbell.net>...
> In article <5uqek8$2ja$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>, "Krow" <nob...@nowhere.com>
wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
> >Krow
>
> Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
> characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
> important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
This is correct. I am in that age group and yep those impressive
superstructures are working!
> I don't know what Borg breasts might mean to the Collective, but to the
> Franchise they could mean an increase in revenue. Looks like a sensible
> business decision to me.
And a logical decision may I add.
>
> [NOTE: Newsgroups line trimmed]
>
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Dave Garber
On 8 Sep 1997 22:04:11 GMT, "Plain and Simple Cronan"
<*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*> wrote:
>
>Logic does tend to frighten....
Really?
>Humor. Look into it.
My sense of humor is intact. It simply doesn't agree with your sense
of 'humor' on this one Cronan..
> I realize it wasn't labelled as such with "knock,
>knock" as the opening phrase so the subtle brilliance of it may have flown
Brilliance is a relative term here Cronan.. One persons 'brilliance'
is another persons dull.
>over your head at the relative speed of sound but do not accuse me of being
>out of touch with whatever your pathetic perception of the all is.
Going on the subject of the post I originally responded to, I'd say
my perception of reality is quite intact. Yours, on the other hand...
Well, we won't go there. Of course, I could have made it 'clear' to
you that my original reply was meant tongue in cheek as well... Guess
you missed the 'brilliance' of it huh? ;^)
David E. Sluss
David E. Sluss <slu...@pitt.edu> wrote [minor typo corrected]:
DES>Much as I've always liked "I, Borg" as an episode, it really was the
DES>beginning of the end of the Borg as a real menace. At this point they
DES>seem hardly more threatening than the Romulans or the Cardassians.
David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
DJ>Problem is, the proto-Borg are boring. Dangerous and boring, but
DJ>still boring. You could use them in a good story, but they'd play
DJ>the role of any natural catastrophe.
If by "proto-Borg," you mean the Borg of "Q Who" and "Best of Both
Worlds," I say "Bore me!" :) I do see what you're saying, though. It's
difficult to portray the collective as originally conceived; even the
acclaimed "BOBW" didn't, but relied on the mouthpiece Locutus instead. In
fact, "Q Who" is the only Borg episode to date which portrayed the Borg
collective without any individuality at all. And "Q Who" worked precisely
because of the absense of Rubber-Forehead-Alien-Species-Who-Act-Just-Like-
Humans shenanigans. It was a concept which was very different to the ST
realm, but it's a concept which has been weakened with each successive
Borg appearance. The posturing, threatening, sultry, arrogant behavior of
Seven of Nine (and earlier the Borg Queen) represents the end of the Borg
as an emotionless hive mind and, as I said, makes them hardly different
from, say, the Saurians. The old Borg concept needn't be boring; the truth
is, it was never really given a chance, and modern Trek's trend of
pacifying and humanizing its alien races claimed another victim. Now
_that's_ assimilation.
Theflinx
Nyrath the nearly wise <nyr...@clark.net> wrote in article
<5v4m34$8...@clarknet.clark.net>...
> Thus spoke Jimmy (jamc...@netside.com):
> > I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg
all
> > lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females used
for
> > breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting this
would
> > ever happen tho.
>
> Ever read Frank Herbert's HELSTROM'S HIVE?
> The hive had "breeding stumps".
> They were female human torsos with no heads or arms, hooked into
> life support machines. Their soul purpose was to make babies.
>
> Ick.
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!
What ever you do don't read Helstrom's hive it'd not worth the pain.
John & Linda VanSickle
Robert Oliver wrote:
>
> > Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
> > characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
> > important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
>
> Borg females have breasts because they are portrayed by human
> females...who generally tend to have breasts (of all shapes and sizes).
>
> It's also amazing when people act surprised when a TV show does
> something for ratings. TV shows exist to make money...always
> have...always will. This is not a stunning revelation.
We would prefer that the efforts for ratings improvement concentrate on
identifying what's causing the low ratings (the writing), and fixing that.
The BimBorg is just a coat of paint over the termite damage.
--
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Hot metal will abound the land as the form regards our blazing hand
John & Linda VanSickle
> John & Linda VanSickle <vans...@erols.com> wrote:
> We would prefer that the efforts for ratings improvement concentrate on
> identifying what's causing the low ratings (the writing), and fixing
> that.
> The BimBorg is just a coat of paint over the termite damage.
zerogee replied:
>
> Referring to 7 of 9 as a "BimBorg" is wrong. She is a highly intelligent
> artifically enhanced humanoid female.
>
I sure hope so.
> 7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
> intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
> writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
> ratings.
This is known as "missing the point." A good writer could have taken the
Voyager crew and have written decent stories that accomplish something
and arrive somewhere, and in the process would have made the characters
interesting.
Regards,
John
David E. Sluss
drsoran <drs...@dominion.cba.csuohio.edu> wrote:
dr>Hopefully for that poor actress she'll get to take off those
dr>constricting clothes next week.
The ratings depend on it :>
Robert Oliver
> Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
> characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
> important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
Borg females have breasts because they are portrayed by human
females...who generally tend to have breasts (of all shapes and sizes).
It's also amazing when people act surprised when a TV show does
something for ratings. TV shows exist to make money...always
have...always will. This is not a stunning revelation.
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zerogee
Sir,
Referring to 7 of 9 as a "BimBorg" is wrong. She is a highly intelligent
aritifically enhanced humanoid female.
7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
ratings.
John & Linda VanSickle <vans...@erols.com> wrote in article
<3415FD...@erols.com>...
>
>
> We would prefer that the efforts for ratings improvement concentrate on
> identifying what's causing the low ratings (the writing), and fixing
that.
> The BimBorg is just a coat of paint over the termite damage.
> --
> Dantalion will ride again the course of evils standing straight
> Hot metal will abound the land as the form regards our blazing hand
>
> http://www.erols.com/vansickl
>
Four of Eight
zerogee wrote:
>
> The_Doge of St. Louis <the...@pobox.com> wrote in article
> <thedoge-0809...@ppp-207-193-22-150.stlsmo.swbell.net>...
> > In article <5uqek8$2ja$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>, "Krow" <nob...@nowhere.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
> > >Krow
> >
> > characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
> > important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
>
> superstructures are working!
>
> > I don't know what Borg breasts might mean to the Collective, but to the
> > Franchise they could mean an increase in revenue. Looks like a sensible
> > business decision to me.
>
1: Why would the Borg waste time removing something that dosen't need
to be removed? Female Borg are going to have breasts because women have
breasts. The only time the Borg will actually remove or alter something
is when it has to be in order to assimilate a being, i.e. the removing
of hair from the scalp.
2: Instead of trying to find flaws in the way TPTB do things, enjoy the
show.
Four of Eight
Nyrath the nearly wise
Thus spoke Arthur Levesque (baks...@nicom.com):
> More typical of the Bene Tleilaxu and their so-called axlotl tanks;
I believe the term "axlotl" is from some sort of salamander, that
in the early 1960's biologists managed to clone. SF authors
of the time seized on this concept.
David Johnston
David E. Sluss wrote:
>
> Magus wrote:
> M>The Borg may never be the same, unless Star Trek
> M>writers just pretend "Scorpion" never happened...
>
> David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> DJ>And that Star Trek Nine never happened.
>
> Funny... I was under the impression that it hadn't yet :)
Eight, then.
>
> DJ>And that Hugh never happened...
>
> Much as I've always like "I, Borg" as an episode, it really was the
> beginning of the end of the Borg as a real menace. At this point they seem
> hardly more threatening than the Romulans or the Cardassians.
Problem is, the proto-Borg are boring. Dangerous and boring, but
still boring. You could use them in a good story, but they'd play
David Johnston
Blake Richardson wrote:
>
> >>> And that Star Trek Nine never happened.
>
> >>Funny... I was under the impression that it hadn't yet :)
>
> >it was the best Star Trek film yet.
>
> I think the point was that ST: First Contact was Star Trek 8, not Star
> Trek 9. Number 9 hasn't happened yet.
So I said 9 when I meant 8. The point was, every new appearance
of the Borg has changed them radically from their previous conceptions.
David Johnston
The_Doge of St. Louis wrote:
>
> In article <5uqek8$2ja$1...@Usenet.Logical.NET>, "Krow" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> > Perhaps the breasts stay because of the Borg Queen...she had them too!
> >Krow
>
> Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
> characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
> important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
>
> Franchise they could mean an increase in revenue. Looks like a sensible
> business decision to me.
I think at this point I should confess that I never noticed
she had breasts. I was far too distracted by that stick in
her eye.
Nyrath the nearly wise
drsoran
In rec.arts.startrek.current David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
: I think at this point I should confess that I never noticed
: she had breasts. I was far too distracted by that stick in
: her eye.
She certainly didn't WALK like a Borg.. half the time she seemed
to be parading around like something out of Melrose Place. Her voice was
very hard to believe and everything about her seemed strange and
strained. Perhaps the suit is too constricting... her bulging breasts
seem to denote that she can barely get a breath of air in that suit!
Hopefully for that poor actress she'll get to take off those constricting
clothes next week.
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zerogee
Yes, that outfit must've been painful. I'm glad she gets to "take it all
off" this week. ;-)
David E. Sluss <slu...@pitt.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.GSO.3.96L.97090...@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu>...
David Hines
In article <01bcbd73$03297ab0$511050ce@bloodmaster>,
zerogee <zer...@value.net> wrote:
>
>7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
>intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
>writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
>ratings.
OK -- who gave Brannon Braga a net account? I want to know *now.*
*grin*
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David Johnston
John & Linda VanSickle wrote:
>
> Robert Oliver wrote:
> >
> > > Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
> > > characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with that
> > > important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
> >
> > Borg females have breasts because they are portrayed by human
> > females...who generally tend to have breasts (of all shapes and sizes).
> >
> > It's also amazing when people act surprised when a TV show does
> > something for ratings. TV shows exist to make money...always
> > have...always will. This is not a stunning revelation.
>
> We would prefer that the efforts for ratings improvement concentrate on
> identifying what's causing the low ratings (the writing), and fixing that.
> The BimBorg is just a coat of paint over the termite damage.
The problem with Voyager isn't the writing. It's the format.
It's prohibitively difficult to write a good episode, when saddled
with a bad and restrictive format. OK, maybe they could do something
good if people started to notice that Janeway is apparently
somewhat insane.
But that wouldn't really fit the format, which is the unholy love child
of Roddenberry and Lost In Space. ANY really good episode under these
circumstances is debarred by Roddenberry's principles of Star Trek.
zerogee
The probems is that the present characters suck so bad that Paranount
caanot afford the writers to do this. They need characrters that can "write
themselves".
Ensign Ro was a good character.
Which charater is harder to write a good story about, Ensign Kim (blah!) or
Ensign Ro?
John & Linda VanSickle <vans...@erols.com> wrote in article
> > 7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
> > intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
> > writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
> > ratings.
>
> This is known as "missing the point." A good writer could have taken the
> Voyager crew and have written decent stories that accomplish something
> and arrive somewhere, and in the process would have made the characters
> interesting.
>
> Regards,
> John
Black Fu 2
>Subject: Re: Borg Breasts: What they mean to the collective
>From: drs...@dominion.cba.csuohio.edu (drsoran)
>Date: 10 Sep 1997 00:55:55 GMT
>Message-id: <5v4r6r$g67$1...@csu-b.csuohio.edu>
Yes, she gets naked tonight on the west coast!!! Can't wait. Her boobs
are amoung the nicest in SF tvdom!
B
Anders Wahlbom
On 8 Sep 1997, Dave Garber wrote:
> On 5 Sep 1997 06:16:32 GMT, "Plain and Simple Cronan"
> <*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*> wrote:
>
>
> > Let's say there are 4,000,000,000,000 female Borg drones (a conservative
> >figure considering he number of solar systems and ships).. The excess
> >material required to form the interesting metal bustier would be greater
> >than the mass of the Enterprise D given in the tech manual.
Irrelevant. Considering the resources at their disposal, it is unlikely
that the Borg have a metal shortage; they could probably use ten times the
mass of the Enterprise D just for fun, if they were familiar with the
concept of fun...
> > This coupled with the fact that simply cutting them off would reduce the
> >number calories need for each borg makes them unnessecary. Not that their
> >not nice to look at but.... Male testes, OTOH....
>
> Uhh... I'm getting scared here....
>
> > They are more than likely removed simply because the purpose of the
> >scrotum is to keep the testes cool. Borg outfits just don't have the room.
> >If, for some unknown reason, Borg human drone testicles are intact they are
> >effectively useless due to their prolonged postion. Unless of course the
> >suits have a way of transfering the heat. This would seem to be explain the
> >higher temperature and humidty on a Borg ship. This could all be remedied
> >if the Borg allows the breasts and testicles to hang free effectively
> >securing a whole new audience for ST in particular and UPN in general....
>
>
>
> Ever hear of 'over analysis' or 'over thinking'? Man, you're really
> going a little too far with this don't you think?? I'm into Trek as
> much as anyone but, when you start to postulate theories about Borg
> breasts being 'cut off' or 'gulp' male scrotums getting... I can't say
> it.. But, I really hope you see my point.... You may want to take some
> time off and get away from Trek for a while.. You know.. To get in
> touch with reality and all....
Reality is overrated.
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Anders Wahlbom
On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Jimmy wrote:
> I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg all
> lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females used for
> breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting this would
> ever happen tho.
>
> It would be typical of the borg however.
What about cloning? Would that be beyond the Borg's abilities?
> >David E. Sluss wrote:
> >
> >> Yes, that may be the case. Let's remember that while the Borg talked
> about
> >> "assimilating" the Enterprise in "Q Who?", we never actually found out
> >> what "assimilation" meant (i.e. turning people into Borg) until BOBW.
> >> It seems likely to me that the exact details of assimilation may not have
> >> been decided upon by the writers until much later. The "baby scene"
> leaves
> >> open several possibilities, including Riker's conclusion. But, given what
> >> we later learned about the Borg, I think my theory makes the most sense;
> >> of course the Borg concept has been so screwed up of late that what makes
> >> sense is not necessarily what is so.
> >
> >But there is a severe flaw in the theory and that is this--what happens
> >if you deplete a section of space of sentient lifeforms and then all
> >of a sudden need replacements? Sure, aside from the Shad...er...
> >Species 8972 the Borg haven't faced that big a threat but there must
> >have been a point where they weren't that powerful, someone could
> >possibly take them (or at least hold them off) and they needed some
> >kind of reproduction capability aside from assimilation.
> >
> >Or, and here's an off-the-wall theory, what if they snatch populations
> >to set up farms for new bodies when required? Some out of the way
> >little planet where the natives worship the great metal gods who
> >swoop down now and then to collect some sacrifices.
That's a really interesting theory, but not off-the-wall enough to be
plausible...
Robert Holland
David Hines wrote:
>
> In article <01bcbd73$03297ab0$511050ce@bloodmaster>,
> zerogee <zer...@value.net> wrote:
> >
> >intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
> >writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
> >ratings.
>
It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
You fail to see the question introduced by this new character.
Will Voyager assimilate the Borg, or, having taken a human
form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
hoomans?
Let the lustful Paris have a union with 7 of 9, and see what
results. Lots of material to work through here.
--RH
Allen Kim
David E. Sluss wrote:
>
> The posturing, threatening, sultry, arrogant behavior of
> Borg as an emotionless hive mind and, as I said, makes them hardly
> different from, say, the Saurians. The old Borg concept needn't be
> boring; the truth is, it was never really given a chance, and modern
> Trek's trend of pacifying and humanizing its alien races claimed
> another victim. Now _that's_ assimilation.
Are you sure about the claim that the old Borg concept never was really
given a chance? I recall that in the last issue of ST:Communicator, in
the article about Star Trek's villians, the Borg were the most difficult
adversaries to write for *precisely* because the old Borg concept leaves
little room for any character development.
--
Allen Kim
alle...@scic.intel.com
backjohn
David Hines wrote:
>
> In article <3416E2...@wco.com>, Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote:
> >
> >It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
>
> This ain't googly-eyed. I was googly-eyed when Corey Everson
> appeared on _Hercules_; now I watch her "Gotta Sweat" program
> some mornings on ESPN2. The expression you're seeing now is
> more along the lines of befuddlement.
>
> >Will Voyager assimilate the Borg, or, having taken a human
> >form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
> >hoomans?
>
> I still think the best fannish idea ever for defeating the Borg has
> to be the tribble. Beam a few tribbles over to a cube, let 'em
> get assimilated... and then watch them breed so fast that the Borg
> collective becomes majority-tribble, and grinds to a purring halt.
>
> BTW, Mike Okuda and David Gerrold both got Borg tribbles sent to
> them, apparently by independent fans. There are some sick, sick
> people out there.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> | David Hines d-h...@uchicago.edu |
> | http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/dzhines |
> ====================================================================
I guess they have to assimulate the breasts.
Jeri Lynn Ryan looks better than all the women on Voyager...
and what else they do.
J.
Gharlane of Eddore
In <01bcbd73$03297ab0$511050ce@bloodmaster>,
zerogee <zer...@value.net> wrote:
>
> 7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
> intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
> writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
> ratings.
>
In <EG9u...@midway.uchicago.edu>
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu (David Hines) writes:
>
> OK -- who gave Brannon Braga a net account? I want to know *now.*
>
> *grin*
>
Note that "zerogee" was able to spell "unusually," but couldn't get
"interesting" right consistently, and treated "characters" similarly.
Braga has a track record of lacking sufficient intellectual capacity
to write English sentences, something "zerogee" appears able to handle.
On this basis, we can assign "zerogee" a probable I.Q. of somewhere
between 85 and 95, and the concepts being touted come closer to fitting
the stealth signature of a certain "DIAGNOSIS: MURDER" producer who
suffers from delusions of literary and professional competence.
Of course, that's just a classification of operational level, not an
identification!
No wonder he uses a Net Pseudonym, he's as smart as Lee Goldberg!
David Hines
Plain and Simple Cronan
Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote
> It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
My response is more one of disbelief that they actually believe us to take
a character who is so obviously T&A seriously
> You fail to see the question introduced by this new character.
Enlighten me.
> Will Voyager assimilate the Borg, or, having taken a human
> form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
> hoomans?
Interesting question but do you honestly, and with all your heart, believe
that Voyager's writers were thinking anything other than, "We needed
someone with some really BIG knockers that will be as sexually
inexperienced as our target audience(white teenage suburban males)." ?
> Let the lustful Paris have a union with 7 of 9, and see what
> results. Lots of material to work through here.
Are you serious?
Plain and Simple Cronan
Anders Wahlbom <awah...@Zeke.Update.UU.SE> wrote
> Irrelevant. Considering the resources at their disposal, it is unlikely
> that the Borg have a metal shortage; they could probably use ten times
the
> mass of the Enterprise D just for fun, if they were familiar with the
> concept of fun...
Obviously they still must mine resources from planets(or they wouldn't have
them). Even using transporters to beam out selected metals the process of
creating that amount of specific alloys would be incredibly energy
intensive so in the long run it is better to be more efficent..
Franklin Hummel
>On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Jimmy wrote:
>
>>I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg all
>>lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females used for
>>breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting this would
>>ever happen tho.
>>
Herbert, a sort-off sequel to the movie THE HELSTROM CHRONICLE? It dealt
with a form of hive-based humans. In it, the hive's reproduction was
carried out in part by the stumps of male and female humans, from chest to
knees, which were kept alive through medical technology. All this
discussion of how the Borg reproduce reminds me of that book.
-- Franklin Hummel [ hum...@world.std.com ]
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Dave
Excuse me, but are you a Star Trek screen writer?
Lets remember that ther is a life, a mind, flesh and blood under the cold
mechanicals of a Borg drone. Scorpion I & II
show us that the Borg are not that different from us- they are a little
demented (ok, a lot demented) but, if you were the
Borg collective- not a drone but the WHOLE thing- wouldn't you also have
the will to live, even if that meant negotiating
etc?
Beezel
On 8 Sep 1997 22:04:11 GMT, "Plain and Simple Cronan"
<*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*> wrote:
>
>
>Dave Garber <dga...@ccia.com> wrote ....
>>
>> Uhh... I'm getting scared here....
>
>Logic does tend to frighten....
Yes.. arn't we dead pan... come off it Cronen.
>> Ever hear of 'over analysis' or 'over thinking'? Man, you're really
>> going a little too far with this don't you think?? I'm into Trek as
>> much as anyone but, when you start to postulate theories about Borg
>> breasts being 'cut off' or 'gulp' male scrotums getting... I can't say
>> it.. But, I really hope you see my point.... You may want to take some
>> time off and get away from Trek for a while.. You know.. To get in
>> touch with reality and all....
>
>Humor. Look into it. I realize it wasn't labelled as such with "knock,
>knock" as the opening phrase so the subtle brilliance of it may have flown
>over your head at the relative speed of sound but do not accuse me of being
>out of touch with whatever your pathetic perception of the all is.
Well I knew you wer trying to be funey Cronen, but i wasn't lafing.
You ARE out of touch if you thingk that we beleav that you posted
sutch a big leter about *nothing* ON TOP of all the other ST vs SW
quibeling that you scwonder your time on, for ANY other reason than to
capitolise on one_more_ opertunety to remined us that you exist.
Don't be frightend...we won't forget you. Just as long as we can
keap cringing at what exstroredenery lengths you will go to to insault
your way into peopels harts.
---------To reply remove >*<Asterix>frome Bee...@helix.net*<----------------------------
Sorry for the inconvenence of reading through my posts!
However...
I will not respond to >un-frendly< comments regarding my
spelling.Dislexia does NOT equal stupidity.
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David E. Sluss
David E. Sluss <slu...@pitt.edu> wrote:
DES>The old Borg concept needn't be
DES>boring; the truth is, it was never really given a chance, and modern
DES>Trek's trend of pacifying and humanizing its alien races claimed
DES>another victim. Now _that's_ assimilation.
Allen Kim <alle...@scic.intel.com> wrote:
AK>Are you sure about the claim that the old Borg concept never was really
AK>given a chance?
Yes. Beginning with their second appearance, in BOBW, the Borg have been
"represented" by "individual Borg," Locutus, Hugh, Lore's Chumps, Borg
Queen, and now 7/9. The Borg have not been portrayed solely as a
collective mind since "Q Who."
AK>I recall that in the last issue of ST:Communicator, in
AK>the article about Star Trek's villians, the Borg were the most
AK>difficult adversaries to write for *precisely* because the old Borg
AK>concept leaves little room for any character development.
I acknowledge that it would be difficult; however, I see nothing wrong
with portraying them _without_ character development, as something of a
faceless menace. That's what made them so different and, yes, frightening
in "Q Who." Too much character development is precisely what has watered
down so many Trek villain races, from the Klingons to the Jem'Hadar.
Another writer in this thread suggested that the "old Borg" could only be
portrayed as a "natural disaster," to which I say: "What's wrong with
that?" It makes the Borg something other than people with funny makeup and
ships, and, with skilled writing, it could be portrayed in an interesting
fashion.
Black Fu 2
>Subject: Re: Borg Breasts: What they mean to the collective
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:22:27 -0700
>Message-id: <34178E...@mail.softcom.net>
>
>David Hines wrote:
>>
>> In article <3416E2...@wco.com>, Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com>
>wrote:
>> >
>> >It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
>>
>> appeared on _Hercules_; now I watch her "Gotta Sweat" program
>> some mornings on ESPN2. The expression you're seeing now is
>> more along the lines of befuddlement.
>>
>> >form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
>> >hoomans?
>>
>> to be the tribble. Beam a few tribbles over to a cube, let 'em
>> get assimilated... and then watch them breed so fast that the Borg
>> collective becomes majority-tribble, and grinds to a purring halt.
>>
>> BTW, Mike Okuda and David Gerrold both got Borg tribbles sent to
>> them, apparently by independent fans. There are some sick, sick
>> people out there.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> | David Hines d-h...@uchicago.edu |
>> | http://student-www.uchicago.edu/users/dzhines |
>> ====================================================================
>
>
>Jeri Lynn Ryan looks better than all the women on Voyager...
>and what else they do.
>
>J.
>
>
B
James C. Ellis
[Excessive cross-posting trimmed to some degree]
Dave wrote:
>
> Excuse me, but are you a Star Trek screen writer?
No, thank Ghod!
I may post on Usenet, but at least I have _that_ shred of dignity to
my credit.
>
> Lets remember that ther is a life, a mind, flesh and blood under the cold
> mechanicals of a Borg drone. Scorpion I & II
> show us that the Borg are not that different from us- they are a little
> demented (ok, a lot demented) but, if you were the
> Borg collective- not a drone but the WHOLE thing- wouldn't you also have
> the will to live, even if that meant negotiating
> etc?
So what you are saying is that "Negotiation is irrelevant. Resistance
is futile." has become <plaintively> "Can't we all just... get along"?
And another trek villain is gutted...
Biff
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Black Fu 2
>Subject: Re: Borg Breasts: What they mean to the collective
><*REMOVE*philogynist@*TO*mindspring.com*REPLY*>
>Date: 11 Sep 1997 04:26:38 GMT
>Message-id: <01bcbe6a$e644a340$c81456d1@default>
>
>
>
>Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote
>> It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
>
>a character who is so obviously T&A seriously
>
>> You fail to see the question introduced by this new character.
>
>Enlighten me.
>
>> form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
>> hoomans?
>
>that Voyager's writers were thinking anything other than, "We needed
>someone with some really BIG knockers that will be as sexually
>inexperienced as our target audience(white teenage suburban males)." ?
>
>> Let the lustful Paris have a union with 7 of 9, and see what
>> results. Lots of material to work through here.
>
>Are you serious?
>
>
>
house inviting sex for all the lifeforms in the
universe on board.
B
Robert Holland
Plain and Simple Cronan wrote:
>
> Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote
> > It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
>
> My response is more one of disbelief that they actually believe us to take
> a character who is so obviously T&A seriously
I find it hard to believe you believe that.
After last night's ep, I'm convinced this actress is a good addition
to the cast. She held her own and served as a great foil to Janeway.
Don't be quick to dismiss her talent because she is good-looking.
She did a believable job as Borg rediscovering lost soul.
> > You fail to see the question introduced by this new character.
>
> Enlighten me.
Pay attention.
> > Will Voyager assimilate the Borg, or, having taken a human
> > form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
> > hoomans?
>
> Interesting question but do you honestly, and with all your heart, believe
> that Voyager's writers were thinking anything other than, "We needed
> someone with some really BIG knockers that will be as sexually
> inexperienced as our target audience(white teenage suburban males)." ?
Yes I do--it plays off First Contact's sexual Borg nicely.
I'm beginning to doubt your ability to express anything other
than superficial stereotype.
Why should a Borg pick up on anything as socially determined
as fashion, or mores? If she runs about in skintight britches,
discovering her humanity, her sexuality, is that such a bad
thing? She was a cog in a machine and now has a lot to learn.
It's as if Janeway had a teenage daughter to guide through
trial and tribulation--her body matured faster than her mind.
--RH (maybe you fear a female-centric tv show?)
David Johnston
Plain and Simple Cronan wrote:
>
> Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote
> > It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
>
> My response is more one of disbelief that they actually believe us to take
> a character who is so obviously T&A seriously
>
>
> Enlighten me.
>
> > form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
> > hoomans?
>
> Interesting question but do you honestly, and with all your heart, believe
> that Voyager's writers were thinking anything other than, "We needed
> someone with some really BIG knockers that will be as sexually
> inexperienced as our target audience(white teenage suburban males)." ?
I fairly confident that they also thought that they could do something
character-wise with another clueless blank slate ala Data.
Plain and Simple Cronan
Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote
> I find it hard to believe you believe that.
Why exactly?
> After last night's ep, I'm convinced this actress is a good addition
> to the cast. She held her own and served as a great foil to Janeway.
Can't say I watched all of it. The Drew Carey rerun was far too compelling.
Now if they put Mimi in a skintight suit........
> Don't be quick to dismiss her talent because she is good-looking.
> She did a believable job as Borg rediscovering lost soul.
I don't find her particularly attractive myself. Baywatch clones aren't my
thing.
> > Enlighten me.
>
> Pay attention.
Always do....
> > Interesting question but do you honestly, and with all your heart,
believe
> > that Voyager's writers were thinking anything other than, "We needed
> > someone with some really BIG knockers that will be as sexually
> > inexperienced as our target audience(white teenage suburban males)." ?
>
> Yes I do--it plays off First Contact's sexual Borg nicely.
And we all realize how utterly horrible that was...
> I'm beginning to doubt your ability to express anything other
> than superficial stereotype.
Well lets dig deeper... WOW! Nothing there! Big surprise.
> Why should a Borg pick up on anything as socially determined
> as fashion, or mores?
You would that that someone who hasn't had time to develop any type of
humanoid intinct wouldn't exactly be all that interested in wearing a
skintight suit. When I think about it I find it hard to believe that anyone
in their right mind would ever wear something that tight voluntarily.
If she runs about in skintight britches,
> discovering her humanity, her sexuality, is that such a bad
> thing? She was a cog in a machine and now has a lot to learn.
Funny how the first thing she choose was to learn that interesting walk.
> It's as if Janeway had a teenage daughter to guide through
> trial and tribulation--her body matured faster than her mind.
Interesting thought. Now let me ask you what kind of mother an irrational,
over-emotional, histrionic woman like Janeway would make? 7 of 9 has some
problems. That need not be one of them. And how many of those trials do you
think will involve her wearing very little?
> --RH (maybe you fear a female-centric tv show?)
Like Baywatch? That could certainly be defined as female-centric. Whether
it could it be defined as tasteful or interesting is another story
entirely.
Might I reccomend you check out Allie McBeal.
-- Plain and Simple Cronan, X O of the USS Megadittos <*>
Sanity and comprehension are all too often contradictory conditions
Black Fu 2
>Subject: Re: Borg Breasts: What they mean to the collective
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:09:56 -0700
>Message-id: <3416E2...@wco.com>
>
>
>David Hines wrote:
>>
>> In article <01bcbd73$03297ab0$511050ce@bloodmaster>,
>> zerogee <zer...@value.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
>> >intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
>> >writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
>> >ratings.
>>
>
>
>
>form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
>hoomans?
>
>results. Lots of material to work through here.
>
>
>
You bet! 9 was a babe! Nice jutting breasts, and a really tight rear
end. She would make a great prostitute!
B
Plain and Simple Cronan
Beezel <Bee...@helix.net*> wrote in article
<34175203...@news.cyberion.com>...
> On 8 Sep 1997 22:04:11 GMT, "Plain and Simple Cronan"
> <*REMOVE*cronan@*TO*dittosrush.com*REPLY*> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Dave Garber <dga...@ccia.com> wrote ....
> >>
> >> Uhh... I'm getting scared here....
> >
> >Logic does tend to frighten....
>
> Yes.. arn't we dead pan... come off it Cronen.
No I am Cronan. DeadPan was the villian on Freakazoid who spoke in a
hilarious monotone
> Well I knew you wer trying to be funey Cronen, but i wasn't lafing.
Yhat make it your problem.
> You ARE out of touch if you thingk that we beleav that you posted
> sutch a big leter about *nothing* ON TOP of all the other ST vs SW
> quibeling that you scwonder your time on, for ANY other reason than to
> capitolise on one_more_ opertunety to remined us that you exist.
Your lack of wit aside; I am curious who this "we" is? DId you take a
survey? Did you look at the majority of the responses? Most took it for
what it was.
> Don't be frightend...we won't forget you. Just as long as we can
> keap cringing at what exstroredenery lengths you will go to to insault
> your way into peopels harts.
As soon as that is translated I will be more than happy to respond.
Black Fu 2
>Subject: Re: Borg Breasts: What they mean to the collective
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:38:08 -0700
>Message-id: <01bcbe5b$7a0ceca0$bd7d2399@infinia>
>
> Those aren't just breasts - those are massive HOOTERS!!!
>
> Last ditch effort to improve the ratings, add some jiggle!
>
> Sheesh! I expected more out of Star Trek! Next Gen and DS9 haven't been
> that desperate!
>
> The character had better at least turn out to be interesting, or Voyager
> will be sinking fast! The writing has not been that great, with the
> exception of a few episodes. Overall, the best thing that Paramount can
>do
> to save this ship is get some decent writers! Good stories do more for
> ratings than hooters - long term, anyway.
> --
> Wolfman6
>
>> Robert Oliver <rol...@mint.net> wrote in article
>> <3415BD88...@mint.net>...
>> > > Borg females have breasts because "Voyager" needs ratings, and female
>> > > characters with impressive superstructures generally play well with
>> that
>> > > important 18-to-35 male demographic segment.
>> >
>> > Borg females have breasts because they are portrayed by human
>> > females...who generally tend to have breasts (of all shapes and sizes).
>> >
>> > It's also amazing when people act surprised when a TV show does
>> > something for ratings. TV shows exist to make money...always
>> > have...always will. This is not a stunning revelation.
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert Oliver (rol...@mint.net)
>> >
>> > Big Country: Steeltown (http://www.mint.net/~roliver/bc-mint.htm)
>> >
>> > Usenet: alt.music.big-country
>> >
>> > A Guide to the Star Trek Universe
>> > (http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6053/)
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
Look bottom line - even politically correct liberal star trek writers have
to pay the bills. When the money runs out so do their convictions! :)
B
Robert Holland
> > to the cast. She held her own and served as a great foil to Janeway.
>
> Can't say I watched all of it. The Drew Carey rerun was far too compelling.
> Now if they put Mimi in a skintight suit........
Too bad you have to deal with that conflict. I get to see both
on the same night.
> > Don't be quick to dismiss her talent because she is good-looking.
> > She did a believable job as Borg rediscovering lost soul.
>
> I don't find her particularly attractive myself. Baywatch clones aren't my
> thing.
Superficial analysis. Backed by, what?
> > > Interesting question but do you honestly, and with all your heart,
> believe
> > > that Voyager's writers were thinking anything other than, "We needed
> > > someone with some really BIG knockers that will be as sexually
> > > inexperienced as our target audience(white teenage suburban males)." ?
> >
> > Yes I do--it plays off First Contact's sexual Borg nicely.
>
> And we all realize how utterly horrible that was...
Are you kidding? The First Contact Borg queen tore up the scenery.
Especially as she seduced Data. Quite clever!
> > I'm beginning to doubt your ability to express anything other
> > than superficial stereotype.
>
> Well lets dig deeper... WOW! Nothing there! Big surprise.
I'm surprised you turned in this two-dimensional review, and
amused you choose to defend it.
> > Why should a Borg pick up on anything as socially determined
> > as fashion, or mores?
>
> You would that that someone who hasn't had time to develop any type of
> humanoid intinct wouldn't exactly be all that interested in wearing a
> skintight suit. When I think about it I find it hard to believe that anyone
> in their right mind would ever wear something that tight voluntarily.
I suspect you watched more than you let on and are having
a tough time dealing with something that became hard.
> If she runs about in skintight britches,
> > discovering her humanity, her sexuality, is that such a bad
> > thing? She was a cog in a machine and now has a lot to learn.
>
> Funny how the first thing she choose was to learn that interesting walk.
Rather machine-like, don't you agree? As if she still has gimbles.
> > It's as if Janeway had a teenage daughter to guide through
> > trial and tribulation--her body matured faster than her mind.
>
> Interesting thought. Now let me ask you what kind of mother an irrational,
> over-emotional, histrionic woman like Janeway would make? 7 of 9 has some
> problems. That need not be one of them. And how many of those trials do you
> think will involve her wearing very little?
Oh, I think we'll watch her discover her body and its inherent
sexuality, and develop a sense of propriety. That, or Janeway will
confine her to her room until she wears sensible shoes.
Wait until she sees her effect on the male crew!
> > --RH (maybe you fear a female-centric tv show?)
>
> Like Baywatch? That could certainly be defined as female-centric. Whether
> it could it be defined as tasteful or interesting is another story
> entirely.
Baywatch, the sci-fi curmudgeon's crutch. You'll have to do better.
--RH
louis freeh
got milk ?Arthur Levesque wrote:
>
> Jimmy (jamc...@netside.com) speculated:
> J>I can see a borg factory cube on some planet with 100's of female Borg
> J>all lying on their backs, bellies in the air, pregnant. These females
> J>used for breeding purposes only. I doubt however that a scene dipicting
> J>this would ever happen tho. It would be typical of the borg however.
>
> More typical of the Bene Tleilaxu and their so-called axlotl tanks;
> and they only did it that way because of their peculiar religious beliefs
> and the ban on all sorts of technology following the Butlerian Jihad.
> But you're right; even if such a process were logical for the Borg,
> political correctness would guarantee that we'd never see it.
>
> Seven of Thirteen (sev...@compusmart.ab.ca) wrote:
> 7/13>I don't know, it would be a waste of resources to have pregnant
> 7/13>females simply lying in a factory. Growing babies out of petri
> 7/13>dishes would be more of a possibility.
>
> I picture young Borg being created on the assembly lines described in
> Aldous Huxley's "Brave New World"...
> --
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Steve M Zibilich
Borg assimilate young children with entire races, no need for Borg-sex, I
just can't see those Borg-dudes porking all the tech, or the Borg-babes
moaning with delight.
On a some-what unrelated note: Kes wasn't so bad, (except the deep voice).
Should have wasted the useless Neelix character on some McDonalds Nebula,
where he could cook to the mindless minions.
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Robert Holland
Steve M Zibilich wrote:
>
> Borg assimilate young children with entire races, no need for Borg-sex, I
> just can't see those Borg-dudes porking all the tech, or the Borg-babes
> moaning with delight.
The trouble is, once you've assimilated an entire civilization, there
will be no more young generated from that civilization. Thus, the
individuals age and die, and must be replaced at hazard by assimilating
yet another civilization.
It's a Ponzi scheme built on a house of cards. Not real good for
the longevity of your operation.
> On a some-what unrelated note: Kes wasn't so bad, (except the deep voice).
> Should have wasted the useless Neelix character on some McDonalds Nebula,
> where he could cook to the mindless minions.
That deep voice exuded confidence and competence. It showed she had
matured beyond her years. Striking, wasn't it?
--RH
Jason Fritz
Allen Kim wrote:
> Are you sure about the claim that the old Borg concept never was really
> given a chance? I recall that in the last issue of ST:Communicator, in
> the article about Star Trek's villians, the Borg were the most difficult
> adversaries to write for *precisely* because the old Borg concept leaves
> little room for any character development.
>
> --
> Allen Kim
> alle...@scic.intel.com
I think the "difficult to write for" bit is nothing more than the
writers making excuses. Look at VENDETTA. While it's not canon, it's a
damn sight better than any other recent Borg drivel. They were actually
frightening there without being "humanized". Now, if Peter David, who
writes for Pocket Books as well as balancing several comic titles with
his novels, can write a story that doesn't humanize the Borg and still
keeps them frightening, then you can't tell me that "it's too hard" for
writers who are paid to write nothing BUT Trek and are payed pretty darn
well for a motion picture script to boot. It IS possible to write the
Borg well, and VENDETTA is the proof. I don't want any more excuses
from the writers.
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The Riddler
"Someone once told me that time was a predator that stalked us all our
lives. But I'd rather believe that time is a companion that goes
with us on the journey, and reminds us to cherish every moment,
because they'll never come again. What we leave behind is not as
important as how we've lived. After all, Number One, we're only
mortal."
-Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Star Trek:
Generations
Swan
Overheard in 7/9's quarters (to the tune of Memories)
Midnight. All alone in the airtight
Federation ship, spaceflight
Takes me so far from home!
I remember, all's that left me is mammaries now,
Of my lifetime with the Borg!
Mammaries! Great big honking huge Mammaries!
And they store all the wisdom
That was once of the Borg!
How the males drooled
As they battled to download my 'brain'
In my Mammaries, all contained!
(refrain)
Here in Warpflight
Passing starlight
Waiting, now for the 'morning'!
I remember the left nipple conceals
the self-destruct switch!
And the humans will all die!
Mammaries! Blowing up in a fusion
blast that brings on contusions
And some quite fatal wounds!
They'll know better
Than screwing around with the Borg!
When these Mammaries EXPLODE!
S'wan
Sorry about any scansion glitches, I'm going from ..er... memory...
David Hines
In article <5v5a25$q...@news.csus.edu>,
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
[. . .]
>No wonder he uses a Net Pseudonym, he's as smart as Lee Goldberg!
Hey, speaking of Lee Goldberg, LG himself tells me they're going to
do a sort of _Beyond the Beyond_ thing in an episode of _Diagnosis
Murder_ this season.
Will I review it? Wull, gee, maybe... *grin*
Four of Eight
Robert Holland wrote:
>
> David Hines wrote:
> >
> > In article <01bcbd73$03297ab0$511050ce@bloodmaster>,
> > zerogee <zer...@value.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >7 of 9 is what Voyager needs to boost ratings. She is an unusually
> > >intersting character, and you need interesting characters to have good
> > >writing. Good writing without such charcters does not lead to higher
> > >ratings.
> >
> > OK -- who gave Brannon Braga a net account? I want to know *now.*
>
> It amazes me how googly-eyed you get over a buxom actress.
>
> You fail to see the question introduced by this new character.
>
> Will Voyager assimilate the Borg, or, having taken a human
> form, will this Borg introduce a new method of assimilating the
> hoomans?
>
> Let the lustful Paris have a union with 7 of 9, and see what
> results. Lots of material to work through here.
>
> --RH
Oh no, we can't have that! Somewhere in Gene's will it specifies that
at least one character _must_ be gay(I guess Dax dosen't count because
she pretends that she's just about everything). So guess which
character they are going to have "come out"? You guessed it, Seven of
Nine. Somewhere along the line she is going to "become" a lesbian.
Now, since this wouldn't help the story line or the writing from a
relationship point of view, _another_ character on Voyager is going to
have to be a lesbian too!
"Exploring new frontiers", I don't think so. More like "To sheepishly
go where Ellen has gone before".
David Johnston
Jason Fritz wrote:
>
> Allen Kim wrote:
>
> > Are you sure about the claim that the old Borg concept never was really
> > given a chance? I recall that in the last issue of ST:Communicator, in
> > the article about Star Trek's villians, the Borg were the most difficult
> > adversaries to write for *precisely* because the old Borg concept leaves
> > little room for any character development.
> >
> > --
> > Allen Kim
> > alle...@scic.intel.com
>
> I think the "difficult to write for" bit is nothing more than the
> writers making excuses. Look at VENDETTA. While it's not canon, it's a
> damn sight better than any other recent Borg drivel. They were actually
> frightening there without being "humanized". Now, if Peter David, who
> writes for Pocket Books as well as balancing several comic titles with
> his novels, can write a story that doesn't humanize the Borg and still
> keeps them frightening, then you can't tell me that "it's too hard" for
> writers who are paid to write nothing BUT Trek and are payed pretty darn
> well for a motion picture script to boot. It IS possible to write the
> Borg well, and VENDETTA is the proof. I don't want any more excuses
> from the writers.
Note that the Borg were furniture in Vendetta. They were not the
opponent, or the real problem.
Gharlane of Eddore
While demeaning the putative intellectual capacity of a poster,
In <5v5a25$q...@news.csus.edu>,
Gharlane of Eddore <ghar...@ccshp1.ccs.csus.edu> wrote:
[. . .]
>
> No wonder he uses a Net Pseudonym, he's as smart as Lee Goldberg!
>
In <EGLn8...@midway.uchicago.edu>
dzh...@midway.uchicago.edu (David Hines) writes:
>
> Hey, speaking of Lee Goldberg, LG himself tells me they're going to
> do a sort of _Beyond the Beyond_ thing in an episode of _Diagnosis
> Murder_ this season.
>
> Will I review it? Wull, gee, maybe... *grin*
>
If he puts me in a "Grateful Dead" Tee Shirt again, I'll sue.
Or the "Grateful Dead" will.
Dennis Iannicca
In rec.arts.startrek.current Four of Eight <i...@swbell.net> wrote:
: Robert Holland wrote:
: > Let the lustful Paris have a union with 7 of 9, and see what
: > results. Lots of material to work through here.
: Oh no, we can't have that! Somewhere in Gene's will it specifies that
: at least one character _must_ be gay(I guess Dax dosen't count because
: she pretends that she's just about everything). So guess which
: character they are going to have "come out"? You guessed it, Seven of
: Nine. Somewhere along the line she is going to "become" a lesbian.
: Now, since this wouldn't help the story line or the writing from a
: relationship point of view, _another_ character on Voyager is going to
: have to be a lesbian too!
Reliable sources at Paramount tell me that Tom Paris will
"come out" and proclaim his true sexuality as a male lesbian.
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In article <341F36...@telusplanet.net>,
David Johnston <rgo...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>Jason Fritz wrote:
>>
>> Allen Kim wrote:
>>
>> > Are you sure about the claim that the old Borg concept never was really
>> > given a chance? I recall that in the last issue of ST:Communicator, in
>> > the article about Star Trek's villians, the Borg were the most difficult
>> > adversaries to write for *precisely* because the old Borg concept leaves
>> > little room for any character development.
>> >
>> writers making excuses. Look at VENDETTA. While it's not canon, it's a
>> damn sight better than any other recent Borg drivel. They were actually
>> frightening there without being "humanized". Now, if Peter David, who
>> writes for Pocket Books as well as balancing several comic titles with
>> his novels, can write a story that doesn't humanize the Borg and still
>> keeps them frightening, then you can't tell me that "it's too hard" for
>> writers who are paid to write nothing BUT Trek and are payed pretty darn
>> well for a motion picture script to boot. It IS possible to write the
>> Borg well, and VENDETTA is the proof. I don't want any more excuses
>> from the writers.
>
>Note that the Borg were furniture in Vendetta. They were not the
>opponent, or the real problem.
This is incorrect... the Borg were one of the real problems, there were
several well written battle scenes against several cubes, and there was
extremely good development of one female Borg that was captured by the E-D
(with no miracle removal of her Borg implants, and no miracle recovery of
her individuality).
The planet-killer was (of course) the other real problem, but it really
didn't hold a grudge against the federation, just feeding on its planets
:)
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In article <341DB8...@wco.com>, Robert Holland <rhol...@wco.com> wrote:
>> On a some-what unrelated note: Kes wasn't so bad, (except the deep voice).
>> Should have wasted the useless Neelix character on some McDonalds Nebula,
>> where he could cook to the mindless minions.
>That deep voice exuded confidence and competence. It showed she had
>matured beyond her years. Striking, wasn't it?
It was fantastic! The contrast was nice too. This very young and
slender blue-eyed blonde (not my type really) with a very deep and sexy
voice. I found that made her most attractive. Perhaps even more so than
Belana (who, aside from the Klingon forehead is my type).
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James Grady Ward
Glacia wrote:
>
> > Oh no, we can't have that! Somewhere in Gene's will it specifies that
> > at least one character _must_ be gay(
>
Because it doesn't. Gene did make a comment one or two months
before he died that there would be a gay character on TNG starting
the season after he said it. He died and TPTB never took up
the idea. And since, they have benn constantly getting mail
and complaints about it.
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