Dark Frontier is a bitter sweet pill
knowled...@webtv.net
though-
1. This was definately a different queen. The FC queen was an
emotional hotheaded b!tch! This one was calm and collect. Maybe the
borg are doubling up their dose of Vulcan assimilations.
2. What in the WORLD was up with all that green tintage? The dark,
grayishness in FC was so much more mysterious and deep. And what the
heck was that green spotlight that kept following the queen around
everywhere she walked? Does she do a show for the borg as a night job?
All that greenness just made the borg look like lemmings.
3. I still hold out that Alice should have played the queen. No
offense to Thompson, she's an excellent actress, but Krige just made the
queen so unique and real and the quirks in her mannerisms were cool.
It's a crying shame. ALICE WHERE ARE YOU?????? I'm sorry, I've
just got to rant about this. Alice made the queen so self-involved, so
sadistic, so mentally twisted, so dark, so calculating yet at the same
time so emotional and desperate when her plans weren't working, and also
mindless and borg-like in a way. She did an EXCELLENT performance. I
was PISSED beyond redemption when I found out she wasn't playing the
queen. Alice come back!
4. THE MUSIC WAS LACKING BIG TIME! Music is a powerful tool to help a
movie have depth, feeling and emotion. The music could have been so
much more deep and could have added so much more to the feeling of the
movie.
5. One thing I've always felt about Voyager is the lack of uniqueness
to the episodes. If you compare a standard TNG episode to "Yesterday's
enterprise", the "mood" is so different. Granted this is supposed to be
a different history and set of background, but a lot would be added to
Voyager if that hard-to-define uniqueness could be added to each
episode. DF almost captured this, but not quite.
6. I didn't like the queen's comments about what species she came from.
I think that destroyed her character big time.
7. The BIG ISSUE-----Did DF destroy the borg????? Well, I think it
was a bitter sweet pill. The downsides are obvious:
A. The borg were SO MUCH weaker here than they have EVER been.
Their power is part of what made them interesting.
B. FC queen could create a force field with a thought. The DF
queen seemed so less in control of her own ship when confronted with
Janeway. She seemed so weak.
C. The green tints made the borg seem like lime-popping
leprechauns. That color has GOT to go.
D. I think some of the darkness of the borg was lost somehow.
The upsides were:
A. The other types of borg ships. The cubes were making things
unbearably monotonous. The new shapes, (the spheres, the "probes" the
strange diamond-shaped vessels) were the best idea ever. They added a
real depth to the borg society.
B. That "station". More depth.
C. The background screams when the race was being assimilated.
Anything that makes the borg seem unfeeling and incompassionate add to
the original premise about their character.
8. The show needs to add DEPTH! DEPTH I SAY! The vastness of borg
space, the sheer number of borg, the coldness of their character, the
size of the ships, anything.
9. The show needs to concentrate more on interpersonal relationships
and less on technobabblish plots. DF was pretty good on this front, I
believe.
I don't think the damage is as severe as most people make it
out to be. The show was pretty good. It would have made a much better
movie on the big screen with a bigger budget though.
Woody Hanscom
>movie have depth, feeling and emotion. The music could have been so
>much more deep and could have added so much more to the feeling of the
>movie.
I'd have to watch it again (hurrah for VCR's) to really make a judgement,
but there was at least one instance where it _really_ caught my ear.
During one of the shots of the shuttle approaching the borgplex, there
were a couple low, twangy notes like someone plucking two of the lower
strings on a piano. Caught my ear mainly because the last time I can
remember hearing that theme used was in ST:TMP as the Enterprise is making
its entrance into V'ger. Visually similar shots (though the one in ST:TMP
was much more visually impressive (okay, and about half an hour longer)
than VOY:DF's borgplex entrance), good use of old themes.
Which brought another thought into my feeble little brain. In advance,
please forgive me if this has been hashed and re-hashed many times over in
the past, I just subscribed to these groups after watching VOY:DF.
Has anyone ever thought much of the possiblity that the planet that
transformed the Voyager probe into V'ger was the Borg home planet, before
they got to the point of striking out on their own and assimilating
everything that sneezed twice in their general direction? The general
purpose seems to be very similar - it's not that big a step from "learn
all that is learnable, collect all the possible knowlege in the universe,
then merge with the creator" to the Borg's assimilation of other species
and knowledge bases into their own. Additionally, it was hypothesized in
ST:TMP that the Voyager probe had fell through a black hole to this
'machine planet', been repaired/reprogrammed there, and sent away. Mix in
a little time distortion along with the black hole, and V'ger could have
been sent on its voyage back to Earth long before the Borg advanced to a
point where they could move out on their own, and still have time to fill
its databanks and make it back home. Just a thought...would be interested
to hear if others have explored this line of reasoning. Would love to see
it explored in a show at some point, but that may just be fanboy drooling
(grin).
Incidentally, what happened to all the knowledge that V'ger transmitted to
Earth?
And while I'm at it, I suppose I could throw in the Transformers
homeworld/Borg homeworld parallells, too...<grin>. Are there any?
Probably...I'm just blowing smoke out of my ass at this point, but if I
can think of it now, it's probably been beaten to death before now...
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Maureen Goldman
> 6. I didn't like the queen's comments about what species she came from.
> I think that destroyed her character big time.
That part stood out for me as well. Couldn't figure out whether it meant
that her head was the only part remaining from an individual, if this meant
that she had been "promoted" to Queen, or ? The detail seemed jarring and
out of place. Didn't keep me from enjoying the two-parter, but this was
not a point at which I wanted to rethink the concept of The Borg Queen.
Maureen Goldman
> The upsides were:
>
> A. The other types of borg ships. The cubes were making things
> unbearably monotonous. The new shapes, (the spheres, the "probes" the
> strange diamond-shaped vessels) were the best idea ever. They added a
> real depth to the borg society.
> B. That "station". More depth.
> C. The background screams when the race was being assimilated.
> Anything that makes the borg seem unfeeling and incompassionate add to
> the original premise about their character.
One scene I found effective was when Seven stopped a runaway and he was
changed in front of her.
The small group that she saved reminded me somewhat of Clarissa Starling in
"The Silence of the Lambs"... "I thought that if I could save just one...."
I still don't know why the Queen let them go, although I'm sure it wasn't
out of compassion.
Ronald Stewart
>transformed the Voyager probe into V'ger was the Borg home planet, before
>they got to the point of striking out on their own and assimilating
>everything that sneezed twice in their general direction? The general
>purpose seems to be very similar - it's not that big a step from "learn
>all that is learnable, collect all the possible knowlege in the universe,
>then merge with the creator" to the Borg's assimilation of other species
>and knowledge bases into their own. Additionally, it was hypothesized in
>ST:TMP that the Voyager probe had fell through a black hole to this
>'machine planet', been repaired/reprogrammed there, and sent away. Mix in
>a little time distortion along with the black hole, and V'ger could have
>been sent on its voyage back to Earth long before the Borg advanced to a
>point where they could move out on their own, and still have time to fill
>its databanks and make it back home. Just a thought...would be interested
>to hear if others have explored this line of reasoning. Would love to see
>it explored in a show at some point, but that may just be fanboy drooling
>(grin).
Yes, I was surprised that V'ger was not mentioned when the Borg first 'came
into being'. Judging from the quick increase in race numbers (don't remember
what any alpha quadrant #s are, sorry), the Borg have been assimilating in
their current fashion for only a relatively short period of time, so I once
considered the possibility that V'ger & Decker were the founders of the
Borg race. It sure would make a great story. Also (prior to D-quadrant
invasion by V'ger) would have explained why the Borg were humanoid to some
extent.
N.B. When writing a script for the series(es), you are asked not to take
anything mentioned in any ST books as fact necessarily. This is to avoid
continuity errors - it is considered that only occurrences in the series are
set in stone. Of course, there are still many errors in the series alone,
but...
Just filling in space as MS Outlook is complaining about my lack of content.
Isn't this enough for you??
- Ron Stewart
mca...@erols.com
> The small group that she saved reminded me somewhat of Clarissa Starling in
> "The Silence of the Lambs"... "I thought that if I could save just one...."
> I still don't know why the Queen let them go, although I'm sure it wasn't
> out of compassion.
DF seemed to try to make the Queen a cunning and mysterious semi-individual
unlike the drones who are all straight-forward. Even the FC queen was
a straight shooter.
The claim that Seven was planted on Voyager is also a part of this. This kind
of revisionist history costs nothing, so they threw it in. Unlike the straight
story of Seven's family which was so patently against canon. How can anyone
forget the episode with first contact with borg (and a Q episode too)?!
--
MikeC
Please reply to the group.
HTW
Gene Roddenberry was said to have mentioned a possible plausible
connection between the Borg and V'ger back when the first borg episode
"Q Who" was produced for TNG. As far as a script...I wrote a Voyager
spec script several years ago with the story of Voyager coming upon the
Borg Home planet and discoveing the V'ger connection. Ultimately it got
rejected...they don't want freelancers to write Borg Sequels... and now
it wouldn't work because of stories like First Contact.
Kenn Prevans
--
Healing the Warrior
There's a trivial Star Trek reference on my site at:
http://www.metalab.unc.edu/warrior/htwnavig.htm#gator
Rich Harbor
HTW wrote in message <36CD61D5...@replythrumysite.edu>...
>Ronald Stewart wrote:
>>
>> >Has anyone ever thought much of the possiblity that the planet that
>> >transformed the Voyager probe into V'ger was the Borg home planet,
before
Read the book "The Return" written by William Shatner. The book kicks but
and it explains the connection between V'ger and the Borg.
(-: IDIC
J.S. Harbour
Guinan when she spoke of the Borg assimilating her race hundreds of years ago.
Remember, she was around in Earth's 19th century (doing who knows what), and
knew of the Borg back then also.
But I think Will Decker died after he joined V'ger, because now he's in 7th
Heaven.
(sorry, bad pun, couldn't resist)
HTW wrote:
>
> Ronald Stewart wrote:
> >
> > >Has anyone ever thought much of the possiblity that the planet that
> > >transformed the Voyager probe into V'ger was the Borg home planet, before
--
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jrw
> The plausible connection between Decker/V'ger and the Borg was invalidated by
> Guinan when she spoke of the Borg assimilating her race hundreds of years ago.
> Remember, she was around in Earth's 19th century (doing who knows what), and
> knew of the Borg back then also.
>
> But I think Will Decker died after he joined V'ger, because now he's in 7th
> Heaven.
>
Ah yes... but so is Jillian from ST:IV.
Now ain't that weird???
-jwardl
The Shadow
>"J.S. Harbour" wrote:
>> But I think Will Decker died after he joined V'ger, because now he's in
7th
>> Heaven.
jrw wrote:
>Ah yes... but so is Jillian from ST:IV.
>
>Now ain't that weird???
But have they worked with Kevin Bacon ?
GeneK
her asking Data if her father had sent him to Earth to find her, though. I
think that that was supposed to represent a more happy-go-lucky time in Guinan's
life, probably *before* the Borg assimilation. It's still 500 years from that
point to TNG, plenty of time for the Borg to show up and still be "hundreds of
years" before TNG.
GeneK
Kryptonkid
Return.'
Sam Lawson
> But I think Will Decker died after he joined V'ger, because now he's in 7th Heaven.
> Ah yes... but so is Jillian from ST:IV.
> But have they worked with Kevin Bacon?
Well, Wil Weaton did a cameo (in SF uniform) in She's Having a Baby.
(It was at the end when they every one in the world suggested baby
names.)
Guinan
GeneK wrote:
> I don't recall any mention of the Borg by the 19th century Guinan. I do recall
> her asking Data if her father had sent him to Earth to find her, though. I
> think that that was supposed to represent a more happy-go-lucky time in Guinan's
> life, probably *before* the Borg assimilation. It's still 500 years from that
> point to TNG, plenty of time for the Borg to show up and still be "hundreds of
> years" before TNG.
Guinan mentions the Borg in Generations.. when they assimilated her race and what
was left of
her people escaped on ships. They were rescued by the Enterprise B.
I've always assumed her planet was in the Delta quadrant (Borg Space).
You do the math..
Guinan
--
Visit Guinan's Bar and Grille
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Chamber/2541/
GeneK
your assumption notwithstanding. The 19th century Guinan never says
anything to the effect that she knows anything about the Borg, what
we see onscreen is Guinan happily vacationing on Earth in the 19th
century, then 400 years later a desperate refugee in the 23rd century.
This suggests that the Borg assimilation of her homeworld took place
sometime between those 2 events.
Although I hate the idea that V'ger interacted in some way with the
Borg, mostly because I hate this tendency some people seem to have
to want to make *everything* in Trek history interconnect, there's
really nothing in canon that makes it impossible. Even if the Borg
*had* assimilated Guinan's world in the Delta Quadrant in the 19th
century, there's nothing in that that invalidates the possibility
that sometime in the late 20th/early 21st century the Voyager 6
probe might disappear into a black hole, emerge near the Borg home
world in the Delta Quadrant, get rebuilt by the Borg and start its
way home, returning to Earth space some 200+ yrs later in the 23rd
century...
Genek
David
> ...except, of course, that no one knows where Guinan's home world was,
> your assumption notwithstanding. The 19th century Guinan never says
> anything to the effect that she knows anything about the Borg, what
> we see onscreen is Guinan happily vacationing on Earth in the 19th
> century, then 400 years later a desperate refugee in the 23rd century.
> This suggests that the Borg assimilation of her homeworld took place
> sometime between those 2 events.
>
In "Q Who" Guinan said the Borg attactked her world a century before.
Rojan
recipes. If I ever try gargh I'll have to eat it not live (he he he)
See ya
Rojan
Guinan wrote in message <36CF6DF5...@hotmail.com>...
>
>
>GeneK wrote:
>
>> I don't recall any mention of the Borg by the 19th century Guinan. I do
recall
>> her asking Data if her father had sent him to Earth to find her, though.
I
>> think that that was supposed to represent a more happy-go-lucky time in
Guinan's
>> life, probably *before* the Borg assimilation. It's still 500 years from
that
>> point to TNG, plenty of time for the Borg to show up and still be
"hundreds of
>> years" before TNG.
>
>Guinan mentions the Borg in Generations.. when they assimilated her race
and what
>was left of
>her people escaped on ships. They were rescued by the Enterprise B.
>I've always assumed her planet was in the Delta quadrant (Borg Space).
>You do the math..
>
GeneK
how far away it was from Federation space, how long it would take
for the Borg to move on from there to the Federation, etc. It's
not useful information if you're trying to track the flow of Borg
assimilations.
GeneK
Eric Newman wrote:
>
>
> Isn't Guinan an El Aurian?
Eric Newman
<gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
>...except, of course, that no one knows where Guinan's home world was,
>your assumption notwithstanding.
Isn't Guinan an El Aurian?
yvettesanders
GeneK wrote:
> The 19th century Guinan never says anything to the effect that she knows anything
> about the Borg, what we see onscreen is Guinan happily vacationing on Earth in the
> 19th
> century, then 400 years later a desperate refugee in the 23rd century.
> This suggests that the Borg assimilation of her homeworld took place
> sometime between those 2 events.
>
Let me see if I have this straight.......
Guinan is vactioning on Earth sometime between 1801 and 1900? When the heck did this
happen???
FWIW, the 21st Century also doesn't begin until January 1, 2001.
Just thought I'd pass this along.
Yvette
GeneK
San Francisco, he is eventually thrown back in time to the Sf in
the 1800's, where he meets Sam Clemens (Mark Twain), a very young
Jack London and Guinan. Sound familiar?
GeneK
Ronald Stewart
- Ron
GeneK
was *immensely* more powerful than the Borg have been shown to be.
According to Spock's observations when he passed through V'ger, it
had deconstructed and recorded *entire planets.* If the Borg had
had that kind of technology and power 70+ years before TNG, they
would have included it in their cubes...wouldn't they?
Genek
The Gene Genie
>
> The biggest problem with this idea, IMO, is that V'ger as portrayed
> was *immensely* more powerful than the Borg have been shown to be.
> According to Spock's observations when he passed through V'ger, it
> had deconstructed and recorded *entire planets.* If the Borg had
> had that kind of technology and power 70+ years before TNG, they
> would have included it in their cubes...wouldn't they?
>
> Genek
I have to agree. In the film "First Contact", if the Borg had had the
technology V'ger had then there would have been no need for a battle
because it could have just *recorded* them. Thus making them practically
invincable.
Ta.
--
"The Gene Genie lives on his back"
The Gene Genie
Might be self explanitory but I just wanna make sure.
Howard
the world of machines. V'Ger also believed its creator was a machine note
the borg queen was was not organic she was a machine.
Servo
Rojan wrote in message ...
Garth Bryan Marlin
Howard wrote:
> Regarding the V'Ger thing. V'Ger is borg note in startrek the motion picture
> the world of machines. V'Ger also believed its creator was a machine note
> the borg queen was was not organic she was a machine.
She was both, a cyborg. Thats why she died when her organic components were
destroyed. And she said that the borg were like humans before they moved beyond
the organic.
Wong
he specifically mentioned that V'ger was part of Borg or something.
Anyone who can get hold of the novel should read it.
============================================
Howard wrote in message ...
>Regarding the V'Ger thing. V'Ger is borg note in startrek the motion
picture
>the world of machines. V'Ger also believed its creator was a machine note
>the borg queen was was not organic she was a machine.
Adeel Rahman
because the collective already saw him as "borg" because his mind/meld
with V'ger back in one of the movies left a borg imprint or whatever in
his mind...
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
proxy.airnews.net>,
"Howard" <se...@ezaccess.net> wrote:
> Regarding the V'Ger thing. V'Ger is borg note in startrek the motion picture
> the world of machines. V'Ger also believed its creator was a machine note
> the borg queen was was not organic she was a machine.
Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life being
born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's just my
opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
Debby
------
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You will be assimilated...
Thank you and have a nice day... :-)
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Dangermouse
V'Ger is not Borg. End of story
(and no, Avenger isn't canon!)
--
"When two hunters go after the same prey they usually end up shooting each
other in the back - and we don't want to shoot each other in the back, do
we?"
GeneK
humanoid/machine lifeform was created, that would not be the origin of the
Borg, as the Borg who traveled back to Cochran's time in FC were attempting
to use the E-E to communicate with the Borg of that time... so the Borg
predate ST:TMP by at least that long. And the "planet of living machines"
that rebuilt V'ger would not have been the Borg either, or V'ger would have
recognized "carbon units" as life forms...
GeneK
Dangermouse
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
> Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life
being
> born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
> probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's
just my
> opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
And you are - the Borg have been around for centuries, possibly millenia.
Guinan
Howard wrote:
> Regarding the V'Ger thing. V'Ger is borg note in startrek the motion picture
> the world of machines. V'Ger also believed its creator was a machine note
> the borg queen was was not organic she was a machine.
> Servo
>
In First Contact, the Borg Queen mentions that they used to be organic and added
machinery..
The head and shoulders of the BQ were partly organic.
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
GeneK <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> If the merging of Decker and V'ger was the crucial point at which a combined
> humanoid/machine lifeform was created, that would not be the origin of the
> Borg, as the Borg who traveled back to Cochran's time in FC were attempting
> to use the E-E to communicate with the Borg of that time... so the Borg
> predate ST:TMP by at least that long. And the "planet of living machines"
> that rebuilt V'ger would not have been the Borg either, or V'ger would have
> recognized "carbon units" as life forms...
>
> GeneK
>
> >
> > Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life being
> > born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
> > probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's just
my
> > opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
>
I guess I was wrong... :-)
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
"Dangermouse" <mas...@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:
>
>
> debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
> > Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life
> being
> > born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
> > probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's
> just my
> > opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
>
Thank you... :-)
Devil_Man
<gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
>If the merging of Decker and V'ger was the crucial point at which a combined
>humanoid/machine lifeform was created, that would not be the origin of the
>Borg, as the Borg who traveled back to Cochran's time in FC were attempting
>to use the E-E to communicate with the Borg of that time... so the Borg
>predate ST:TMP by at least that long.
Damn, that's a good point.
Herhubby
>In article <01be6bdc$73786600$LocalHost@lgwujvnl>,
> "Dangermouse" <mas...@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:
>>
>>
>> debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
>> > Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life
>> being
>> > born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
>> > probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's
>> just my
>> > opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
>>
>> And you are - the Borg have been around for centuries, possibly millenia.
>
Quick question - - How many means of time travel have we seen?
1 - Guardian of Forever
2 - Iconians' portal (?)
3 - The ol' slingshot, normally computed by a Vulcan
4 - 29th century whatever gadget
5 - Q
6 - Possibly the Traveler - wasn't really clear
7 - the Nexus
8 - Oh yeah, that Borg whatsit in "First Contact"
9 - Whatever the hell happened in the slipstream
How many did I forget? At least two or three, I'm sure
It is at least possible that the V'ger/Decker/Ilia merger and
disappearance could have created enough energy/temporal
displacement/(insert technobabble here) to have squirted the first
Borg out a few millennia ago into the Delta quadrant.
Gary Marek
~Gary
thre...@webtv.net
24 hours per day. What's so neat about this method of time travel is
that it works in real life :-)
DBR
Herhubby wrote
>9 - Whatever the hell happened in the slipstream
>
This was just normal time passing by. Subtract this one.
Dangermouse
Herhubby <herhubb...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Quick question - - How many means of time travel have we seen?
>
>
> It is at least possible that the V'ger/Decker/Ilia merger and
> disappearance could have created enough energy/temporal
> displacement/(insert technobabble here) to have squirted the first
> Borg out a few millennia ago into the Delta quadrant.
A ludicrous credibility-destroying piece of hackwork worthy of Brannon at
his most jaded. It'll probably be next year's season finale...
Nick Farrell
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com writes
>
>Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life being
>born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
>probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's just my
>opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
True but then the Borg would not have it in for humanity.
>
>Debby
>------
>Resistance is futile...
>You will be assimilated...
>Thank you and have a nice day... :-)
>
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debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
Nick Farrell <Ni...@edfu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <7c8o38$50q$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> debbyt...@ussvoyager.com writes
> >
> >Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life being
> >born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
> >probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's just my
> >opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
>
> True but then the Borg would not have it in for humanity.
No, the Borg have it in for EVERY species they meet...
Dangermouse
Wong <w...@interlog.com> wrote in article
<7c7bie$hrs$1...@news.interlog.com>...
> In one of William Shatner's Star Trek novels - I think it's "The Return"
-
> he specifically mentioned that V'ger was part of Borg or something.
And it's not canon.
Fortunately.
David B.
> In article <GQwrdCAP...@edfu.demon.co.uk>,
> Nick Farrell <Ni...@edfu.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In article <7c8o38$50q$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > debbyt...@ussvoyager.com writes
> > >
> > >Remember...McCoy said they just may have witnessed a new form of life being
> > >born...Which was both human and machine...Decker was human...Ilia was a
> > >probe... So there you have mechanical and organic components...That's just my
> > >opinion...I could be wrong... :-)
> >
> > True but then the Borg would not have it in for humanity.
>
> No, the Borg have it in for EVERY species they meet...
>
Unless, they're the Kazon...
Dantalas Trollslayer
>
<G> Great name, any relation?
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
"Dangermouse" <mas...@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:
>
>
> Wong <w...@interlog.com> wrote in article
> <7c7bie$hrs$1...@news.interlog.com>...
> > In one of William Shatner's Star Trek novels - I think it's "The Return"
> -
> > he specifically mentioned that V'ger was part of Borg or something.
>
> And it's not canon.
>
> Fortunately.
What specifically do the writers use when they want to use "canon"???...There
seems to be no such thing in the scheme of the Star Trek world...There are a
lot of contradictory things going on...One is canon...One is not...What is
canon???...I'm sorry...I'll calm down now...That word just sets me off... :-)
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
GeneK
whenever they want to. We just have higher standards here in the
newsgroups... :)
GeneK
Dangermouse
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
> What specifically do the writers use when they want to use
"canon"???...There
> seems to be no such thing in the scheme of the Star Trek world...There
are a
> lot of contradictory things going on...One is canon...One is not...What
is
> canon???...I'm sorry...I'll calm down now...That word just sets me off...
:-)
Canon is whatever the writers feel it is from day to day, basically.
Maureen Goldman
> Canon is whatever the writers feel it is from day to day, basically.
There's another illusion shattered.
David B.
Heartbreakin' ain't it...?
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
"Dangermouse" <mas...@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:
>
>
> debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
> > What specifically do the writers use when they want to use
> "canon"???...There
> > seems to be no such thing in the scheme of the Star Trek world...There
> are a
> > lot of contradictory things going on...One is canon...One is not...What
> is
> > canon???...I'm sorry...I'll calm down now...That word just sets me off...
> :-)
>
>
So the Trek Universe does not have a "Bible"???...
Nick Farrell
<dbou...@wh.camtech.net.au> writes
>> Nick Farrell
>>
>
><G> Great name, any relation?
Dunno we have some missing US relatives somewhere and it is a rarish
name..
--
Nick Farrell
Dangermouse
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
>
> So the Trek Universe does not have a "Bible"???...
Of course it does.
And it gets ignored whenever they feel like it.
debbyt...@ussvoyager.com
"Dangermouse" <mas...@sol.co.ukDEATH-TO-SPAMMERS> wrote:
>
>
> debbyt...@ussvoyager.com wrote
> >
> > So the Trek Universe does not have a "Bible"???...
>
> Of course it does.
>
> And it gets ignored whenever they feel like it.
Must have a lot of dust on that sucker...Looks like it's been in storage for
the past 10-15 years or so...:-)