Who will watch the new series?
Thaddeus L Olczyk
new series?
I must admit that I was determined not to watch an "early federation"
Star Trek, but assuming Bakula is captain... well we might actually
get some good scripts.
Then if as advertised they encounter Klingons in the first episode,
and they start out as TNG Klingons and wind up as TOS Klingons, then
it might be worth watching to see the explaination.
Still... if Bakula isn't captain, then I probably won't watch.
Even if he is I won't hang around if it's bad. ( I'm learning.
I've already dropped Andromeda. )
Still, there is hope. Slim and none probably.
EvilBill[AGQx]
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Since it won't get here for five years or so, I have plenty of time to make
up my mind.
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to the folks at alt.tv.star-trek.voyager:
<sigh>
I'll watch, because it's Trek. And bet a lot of people here feel the same
way.
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Julianna Feigl
wrote:
>A malevolent doppelgänger took the place of Thaddeus L Olczyk and said this
>to the folks at alt.tv.star-trek.voyager:
>
>>Assuming the rumor mill is true, who out there will actually watch the
>>new series?
>>I must admit that I was determined not to watch an "early federation"
>>Star Trek, but assuming Bakula is captain... well we might actually
>>get some good scripts.
>>
>>Then if as advertised they encounter Klingons in the first episode,
>>and they start out as TNG Klingons and wind up as TOS Klingons, then
>>it might be worth watching to see the explaination.
>>
>>Still... if Bakula isn't captain, then I probably won't watch.
>>Even if he is I won't hang around if it's bad. ( I'm learning.
>>I've already dropped Andromeda. )
>>Still, there is hope. Slim and none probably.
>>
>
><sigh>
>I'll watch, because it's Trek. And bet a lot of people here feel the same
>way.
I don't and I won't watch it.
Julianna
--------
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The main reason to watch Voyager!
Laura
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Oh, I'll watch it, at least at first.
--
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"It speaks well of the human race, that we allow our
teenagers to live."
DBR
"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <olc...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
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I think anyone who has put up with Trek for as long as they have <?> will
probably tune in for the first little bit.
--
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Bozo the Evil Klown
they happen to have it on.....
*****
"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair. Then I
thought, wouldn't it be much worse if life were fair, and all the terrible
things that happen to us come because we actually deserve them?"
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TheFlinx
Bozo the Evil Klown wrote in message
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>Hopeless Trek addicts..... like my cats. Honestly, *I* just watch it
because
>they happen to have it on.....
That's a good thing because if the rumors are true no one with a brain
larger than walnut will be watching.
Marc
I presume that since you post here you watch Voyager. I think that an "early
federation" series would be have a lot more potential than having series V
be post voyager.
As it is, havine three series running together so close in time (sttng, ds9,
voyager) we have seen the universe/federation sapce require split second
decisions to save it from total destruction several timeas a year for 15
years.
I can see how that is possible, looking back at our history, (WW2, Cival War
period, etc.) but a lot of history involves periods of peace as well. I
think that the Federation, after teh wars with the Dominion and the BOrg,
deserve a century of peace.
As that would be boring to watch, lets go to early Federation, which we know
involved several wars (Klingons, etc.)
"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <olc...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
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Arlie
Well, I didn't watch DS9 when it first came on. I was a fan of TOS, but found
TNG so disappointing that I lost interest in Trek completely for awhile. So
when DS9 came on, I barely noticed. (I did come back for Voyager, almost
accidently, and found I liked it.)
I'm actually *more* interested in the new series, because they seem to be
making a conscious effort to recapture the appeal of TOS. I suspect they'll
fail...but I still find it a lot more interesting than I would another TNG-era
show.
-- Arlie
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http://www.fandomfightsback.com/news.html
MrSpook
>>> Why wouldnt you watch the new series? <<
>
>Well, I didn't watch DS9 when it first came on. I was a fan of TOS, but found
>TNG so disappointing that I lost interest in Trek completely for awhile. So
>when DS9 came on, I barely noticed. (I did come back for Voyager, almost
>accidently, and found I liked it.)
>
I felt the same way about TNG during the first season or so, but
found it quite appealing after awhile. Now, as far as being my favorite ST
series it is a tie between TOS & TNG, with VOY a close second.
I never could get into DS9, however, as few of the characters had
much appeal to me. Kira was cute, and Odo slightly compelling, but
overall, it could never hold my interest for more than 20 minutes at a
time.
>I'm actually *more* interested in the new series, because they seem to be
>making a conscious effort to recapture the appeal of TOS. I suspect they'll
>fail...but I still find it a lot more interesting than I would another TNG-era
>show.
>
I'll surely give it a chance, and hope for the best, but if they
start fucking with the original timeline, could I ever forgive them?
MrSpook
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Arlie wrote:
>
> >> Why wouldnt you watch the new series? <<
>
> Well, I didn't watch DS9 when it first came on. I was a fan of TOS, but found
> TNG so disappointing that I lost interest in Trek completely for awhile. So
> when DS9 came on, I barely noticed. (I did come back for Voyager, almost
> accidently, and found I liked it.)
I enjoyed TOS. Watched TNG for a few episodes and it was okay but didn't
follow it religiously. DS9 was a total lost...it didn't come close to
having the magic of TOS in terms of interesting charracter development
and interactions. Also, there was just too many charracters to follow.
>
> I'm actually *more* interested in the new series, because they seem to be
> making a conscious effort to recapture the appeal of TOS. I suspect they'll
> fail...but I still find it a lot more interesting than I would another TNG-era
> show.
Agreed.
Sperry
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
Nope. The finale of Voyager will be the last time ever I'll watch
anything with the name Trek attached to it.
Julianna Feigl
>>> Why wouldnt you watch the new series? <<
>
>Well, I didn't watch DS9 when it first came on. I was a fan of TOS, but found
>TNG so disappointing that I lost interest in Trek completely for awhile. So
>when DS9 came on, I barely noticed. (I did come back for Voyager, almost
>accidently, and found I liked it.)
>
>I'm actually *more* interested in the new series, because they seem to be
>making a conscious effort to recapture the appeal of TOS. I suspect they'll
>fail...but I still find it a lot more interesting than I would another TNG-era
>show.
From what I've heard so far they are out to destroy it even more than
they've already done.
Bozo the Evil Klown
>Why wouldnt you watch the new series?
Two words: Berman and Braga.
>I presume that since you post here you watch Voyager. I think that an "early
>federation" series would be have a lot more potential than having series V
>be post voyager.
Aside from giving the chimps and chumps the chance to fuck up the pre-TOS
timeline, *what* opportunity do they have then that they wouldn't in a
post-Vger time period? Can there possibly be any doubt that TPTB will drag in
the Borg, holodecks, and all the other crutches they've gotten used to using?
Why do they need to go back to the not-quite-so-distant future to have the ship
wallowing in the temporal anomaly of the week before dispersing it with a
treknobabble beam focued through the main deflector dish?
>As it is, havine three series running together so close in time (sttng, ds9,
>voyager) we have seen the universe/federation sapce require split second
>decisions to save it from total destruction several timeas a year for 15
>years.
>I can see how that is possible, looking back at our history, (WW2, Cival War
>period, etc.) but a lot of history involves periods of peace as well. I
>think that the Federation, after teh wars with the Dominion and the BOrg,
>deserve a century of peace.
>As that would be boring to watch, lets go to early Federation, which we know
>involved several wars (Klingons, etc.)
A series set when the Federation is at peace certainly need not be boring.
There are things Out There *infinitely* more interesting than space battles.
Kelly Whitman
>I'll watch, because it's Trek. And bet a lot of people here feel the same
>way.
Agreed. I didn't like NG or Voy at first, watching the first few eps
and turning it off, and then returning to them both in third season.
I'll watch because it's Trek, and I'll keep in mind that it takes a
while for cast members and writers to find their footing. Of all the
new series introduced to TV each year, I'm more inclined to give a
Trek show a watch than anything else.
Kelly
DBR
"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >I think anyone who has put up with Trek for as long as they have <?> will
> >probably tune in for the first little bit.
>
>
> Nope. The finale of Voyager will be the last time ever I'll watch
> anything with the name Trek attached to it.
>
What if one of those Discovery Channel shows about birds or something was
on, and Tim Russ Narrated it, huh? What if it was called "Trekking through
the wild trees looking at birds"... Then what?
:-)
Ann Johnson
"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <olc...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
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> new series?
Not me.
Voyager has really run Trek into the ground. The new series is supposed to
have a Vulcan science officer. There is supposed to be a lot of Vulcan
interaction. The Voyager writers couldn't write for Tuvok. So where are
the producers going to get writers for the new Vulcans. The only good thing
about going back in time is that there will be no holodecks; I am so sick of
those stories.
The new series as it is planned is too derivative of TOS. There are only
two female characters -- and the Asian one sounds like another Harry Kim.
Uhura will still be the only black female character in Trek -- what gives
with that casting? How can the producers be on their fifth series and omit
a black female cast member again?
Marc
"Bozo the Evil Klown" <evilk...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
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> Marc doth write thus:
>
> >Why wouldnt you watch the new series?
>
> Two words: Berman and Braga.
Hehe - you know more than I do. I need to learn more about "berman and
braga" (which sound like exotic elements)
> >I presume that since you post here you watch Voyager. I think that an
"early
> >federation" series would be have a lot more potential than having series
V
> >be post voyager.
>
> Aside from giving the chimps and chumps the chance to fuck up the pre-TOS
> timeline, *what* opportunity do they have then that they wouldn't in a
> post-Vger time period? Can there possibly be any doubt that TPTB will
drag in
> the Borg, holodecks, and all the other crutches they've gotten used to
using?
mmm - how can they drag in holodecks and borg? Don't you think they will
find some other way of ticking you off. I really hadn't thought about it for
a while, but now that I reflect, I always wondered at what abig deal they
made of the holodeck, without ever getting too many good stories out of it.
I think that the holodeck character (name?) that was designed to "defeat
Data" was a good holodeck story. Also the Doctor has been interesting too.
Im still not sure one can qualify a long running piece of software as a life
form.
> Why do they need to go back to the not-quite-so-distant future to have the
ship
> wallowing in the temporal anomaly of the week before dispersing it with a
> treknobabble beam focued through the main deflector dish?
mmmm - but didnt that happen often enough on the original ST? Interesting
monsters (like the being that had it's individual cells take over human
beings) that ended up dying to some silly thing (same monsters exposed to
light died). I can thimk of a number of "monster" shows that ended with
destroying the monster.
You cant have a series of any type without eventually hitting some episodes
that will dissappoint somebody.
> >As it is, havine three series running together so close in time (sttng,
ds9,
> >voyager) we have seen the universe/federation sapce require split second
> >decisions to save it from total destruction several timeas a year for 15
> >years.
> >I can see how that is possible, looking back at our history, (WW2, Cival
War
> >period, etc.) but a lot of history involves periods of peace as well. I
> >think that the Federation, after teh wars with the Dominion and the BOrg,
> >deserve a century of peace.
> >As that would be boring to watch, lets go to early Federation, which we
know
> >involved several wars (Klingons, etc.)
>
> A series set when the Federation is at peace certainly need not be boring.
> There are things Out There *infinitely* more interesting than space
battles.
I agree. But I often got irritated at the original series that they would
"almost" start an instellar war, and never actually do it. I think that the
last two seasons of DS9 proved that one could take an interstallar war too
far. But there were several great episodes in the original series that did
involve war and near war.
Thanks for the interesting points to ponder. I will still watch the new
series, as there will, no doubt, be little else on worth watching.
J T Kirk
> > Nope. The finale of Voyager will be the last time ever I'll watch
> > anything with the name Trek attached to it.
> >
>
>
> What if one of those Discovery Channel shows about birds or something was
> on, and Tim Russ Narrated it, huh? What if it was called "Trekking through
> the wild trees looking at birds"... Then what?
>
J T Kirk
Bozo the Evil Klown
>about going back in time is that there will be no holodecks; I am so sick of
>those stories.
Again, *why* is everyone assuming that just because it's pre-TOS that Vermin
and Braggart won't still fall back on holodecks, Borg, Kazon, etc. when they
don't have any real ideas??
Bozo the Evil Klown
>"Bozo the Evil Klown" <evilk...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
>news:20010402164711...@ng-fx1.aol.com...
>> Marc doth write thus:
>>
>> >Why wouldnt you watch the new series?
>>
>> Two words: Berman and Braga.
>
>Hehe - you know more than I do. I need to learn more about "berman and
>braga" (which sound like exotic elements)
Remember "The Immunity Syndrome?" The giant space amoeba that was anti-life,
that sucked in and destroyed all life and energy around it?
Berman and Braga are anti-talents.
>> >I presume that since you post here you watch Voyager. I think that an
>"early
>> >federation" series would be have a lot more potential than having series
>V
>> >be post voyager.
>>
>> Aside from giving the chimps and chumps the chance to fuck up the pre-TOS
>> timeline, *what* opportunity do they have then that they wouldn't in a
>> post-Vger time period? Can there possibly be any doubt that TPTB will
>drag in
>> the Borg, holodecks, and all the other crutches they've gotten used to
>using?
>
>mmm - how can they drag in holodecks and borg?
INT. HOLODECK
ARCHER ENTERS AND SEEMINGLY STARTS TALKING TO HIMSELF.
ARCHER: Computer, recreate some dumb-ass piece of Earth history that we can
shoot on the backlot.
or.....
EXT. SPACE
A GIGANTIC CUBE, RESEMBLING A JUNKED CAR PUT THROUGH A COMPACTOR, IS BEARING
DOWN ON THE ENTERPRISE.
<Snip>
>the Doctor has been interesting too.
>Im still not sure one can qualify a long running piece of software as a life
>form.
I can see how it would be possible, as said program expanded itself and learned
and grew. The Doctor actually had some good character development for the
first five years. Too bad that was all jettisoned for the final two years for
caricature development.
<Snip>
>Thanks for the interesting points to ponder. I will still watch the new
>series, as there will, no doubt, be little else on worth watching.
I'll almost certainly watch it, too..... just another Trek slut.....
Ronald Cole
> Aside from giving the chimps and chumps the chance to fuck up the pre-TOS
> timeline, *what* opportunity do they have then that they wouldn't in a
> post-Vger time period?
Too late! If what TrekWeb is reporting is true... It's already canon
that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. So, how can Archer have
a Vulcan first officer?
And the first ep deals with Starfleet meeting the Klingons for the
first time... Do we get TOS Klingons? Rumor has it, no. I'm bracing
for a repeat of the first two seasons of Kazons on Voyager, except
that we'll have seven years of retconned Klingons (TOS Klingons would
rape your grandmother and fart in airlocks; TNG Klingons wouldn't
because there is no "honor" in it).
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>
> Too late! If what TrekWeb is reporting is true... It's already canon
> that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. So, how can Archer have
> a Vulcan first officer?
But the Vulcan may be a part of the Vulcan Defense forces, and not a Star
Fleet Officer, who is serving aboard the Enterprise. For all we know, it's
not necessarily going to be a star fleet ship; the ship could still be
defined as a United Earth Ship, not an UFP ship.
> And the first ep deals with Starfleet meeting the Klingons for the
> first time... Do we get TOS Klingons? Rumor has it, no. I'm bracing
> for a repeat of the first two seasons of Kazons on Voyager, except
> that we'll have seven years of retconned Klingons (TOS Klingons would
> rape your grandmother and fart in airlocks; TNG Klingons wouldn't
> because there is no "honor" in it).
I do kinda hope we'll see kick-ass just plain evil klingons. Let's have some
fun for a change & some good kick ass space battles.
Adrian Appleberry
> that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. So, how can Archer have
> a Vulcan first officer?
If the ranks given in the rumors are any indication, the Vulcan in Series V
isn't in Starfleet (non-Starfleet type rank).
J T Kirk
> I do kinda hope we'll see kick-ass just plain evil klingons. Let's have
some
> fun for a change & some good kick ass space battles.
>
Kent Campbell
"Ann Johnson" <Johns...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> The new series as it is planned is too derivative of TOS. There are only
> two female characters -- and the Asian one sounds like another Harry Kim.
> Uhura will still be the only black female character in Trek -- what gives
> with that casting? How can the producers be on their fifth series and
omit
> a black female cast member again?
If the casting sheet is true (which I don't think it is) then Ensign
Sato will be the first non-white non-black female ever. It's a little
silly to argue that we haven't seen enough black women when we
haven't seen *any* females of other races yet. Since there are far
fewer women than men on Trek, they're still getting around to
hitting the major races with the women. It'll be at least another
show before we get a female cast member comparable to Bashir or
Chakotay. And you're forgetting Whoopi as Guinan; while she
wasn't a regular, she was considered important enough to be
included in a couple of the cast photos (as was Nurse Chapel).
Look at the point spread:
White men: Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scott, Chekov, Picard, Riker, Data,
Wesley, Barclay**, O'Brien, Odo, Quark, Paris, Doctor, Neelix
Non-white men: Sulu, LaForge, Worf, Sisko, Bashir, Jake, Chakotay,
Tuvok, Kim
White women: Rand**, Chapel**, Crusher, Troi, Yar**, Pulaski**,
Kira, J Dax, E Dax**, Janeway, Torres, Kes, Seven
Non-white women: Uhura, Guinan**, Ogawa**
Since a number of the characters were only in one season apiece or
were secondary characters but did appear with dialogue in at least
one movie (Rand, Chapel, Guinan, Ogawa, Barclay) for purposes of
tabulation I'm only counting each of the **'ed names above as a half-
point each. Chekov, Wesley, Kes, and Seven still count as full-point
characters, since they were each in multiple seasons.
White to non-white men - 15.5 : 9.0 - 63.3% white
White to non-white women - 10.5 : 2.0 - 84.0% white
So you're right in lamenting that the female characters we've seen are
more heavily white than the U.S. population, much less the world.
But we still need to see a woman who is non-white and non-black
as a regular cast member first.
--
-- Kent Campbell
-- ken...@indy.net
Robert C. Edwards, Jr.
bob
Thaddeus L Olczyk
wrote:
>(TOS Klingons would
>rape your grandmother and fart in airlocks;
You realise that a Klingon in an airlock is wearing some kind of
pressure suit? Thus farting would only bring pain to himself?
Merrick Baldelli
Edwards, Jr.) wrote:
>I will watch regardless of the premise; simply because it's ST.
And 'round here, people that admit this are called
trek-whores.
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>Too late! If what TrekWeb is reporting is true... It's already canon
>that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. So, how can Archer have
>a Vulcan first officer?
Need I remind you of the inherent differences between Cochran
of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
blatant?
>And the first ep deals with Starfleet meeting the Klingons for the
>first time... Do we get TOS Klingons? Rumor has it, no.
As I understand it, the first actual contact with Klingons and
Romulans was also within TOS. Showing them prior would be changing
history as well.
Merrick Baldelli
>I'm actually *more* interested in the new series, because they seem to be
>making a conscious effort to recapture the appeal of TOS.
>I suspect they'll fail...
Arlie, Arlie, Arlie -- Didn't we hear the same thing when they
were trying to launch Voyager? Didn't we have our feelings,
sensibilities, even our very common sense crushed by that grotesque
which was created?
More importantly -- haven't you learned not to trust anything
said because marketing is a department of buzzards trying to sell
guano back to the bats?
>but I still find it a lot more interesting than I would another TNG-era
>show.
I really don't think they would be able to do much else within
the Federation at the end of the Voyager time span. They're currently
in a state of rebuild. And as Lucas once said, "...a story of
rebuilding [an empire] would usually entice only the beaurocrat..."
Merrick Baldelli
Klown) wrote:
>A series set when the Federation is at peace certainly need not be boring.
>There are things Out There *infinitely* more interesting than space battles.
You mean like character building? My god, that concept's
practically unheard of in the Federation.
xyz
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>
> Need I remind you of the inherent differences between Cochran
> of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
> blatant?
About a half meter?
>
> >And the first ep deals with Starfleet meeting the Klingons for the
> >first time... Do we get TOS Klingons? Rumor has it, no.
>
> As I understand it, the first actual contact with Klingons and
> Romulans was also within TOS. Showing them prior would be changing
> history as well.
First face to face contact with the Romulans was in TOS's "Balance of
Terror," but they did fight a war 100 years prior, then made a peace treaty
via "subspace radio" without ever meeting each other. It would be fun to
have a war with an enemy that's unseen.
Don't know about the Klingons for sure, but when they were first introduced,
Kirk & company already knew a lot about them, so I would surmise that first
contact happened previously.
Adrian Appleberry
> As I understand it, the first actual contact with Klingons
> and Romulans was also within TOS. Showing them prior
> would be changing history as well.
That was my understanding as well.... The pre-TOS series idea is dumb, and
TPTB will take a nuke to all of Trek's timeline in such a series.... If
they really do this, and if they start screwing up the future, I'm hoping
that its so bad that it gets cancelled and then declared non-cannon....
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
we'll discuss that in case he's able to land a job as good as what you
described...
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
>
>"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <olc...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
>news:3ac90bc8...@nntp.interaccess.com...
>> Assuming the rumor mill is true, who out there will actually watch the
>> new series?
>
>Not me.
>
>Voyager has really run Trek into the ground. The new series is supposed to
>have a Vulcan science officer. There is supposed to be a lot of Vulcan
>interaction. The Voyager writers couldn't write for Tuvok.
Nope. It's more like they didn't bother with him. He was that token
black dude on the bridge, nothing more. The new female Vulcan will be
white and a hot chick. You bet they'll write for her. Not necessarily
in Vulcan style, but *she* will get screentime...
> So where are
>the producers going to get writers for the new Vulcans. The only good thing
>about going back in time is that there will be no holodecks; I am so sick of
>those stories.
>
Don't be so certain. I'm sure they'll find a way to incorporate a
holodeck somehow...
>The new series as it is planned is too derivative of TOS. There are only
>two female characters -- and the Asian one sounds like another Harry Kim.
>Uhura will still be the only black female character in Trek -- what gives
>with that casting? How can the producers be on their fifth series and omit
>a black female cast member again?
at least she's non-white. And when will we have a series where there
are more female regs than male ones?
EvilBill[AGQx]
> wrote:
>
> >Too late! If what TrekWeb is reporting is true... It's already canon
> >that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. So, how can Archer have
> >a Vulcan first officer?
>
> Need I remind you of the inherent differences between Cochran
> of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
> blatant?
>
Well, the Cochrane in TOS had been alone on a dead planet for 150 years with
only the Companion for, well, company... that kind of thing would change a
man <g>
> >And the first ep deals with Starfleet meeting the Klingons for the
> >first time... Do we get TOS Klingons? Rumor has it, no.
>
> As I understand it, the first actual contact with Klingons and
> Romulans was also within TOS. Showing them prior would be changing
> history as well.
>
First contact with the Klingons was about 50 years before TOS; no human saw
an actual Romulan until TOS, but the Romulan wars had taken place 100 years
earlier.
PSuther998
>In article <t4gmctkkhcaa5crpn...@4ax.com>, Your Momma wrote:
>
>> Need I remind you of the inherent differences between Cochran
>> of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
>> blatant?
But remember the Cochrane from TOS had
taken off in his ship to die of old age in space. But the guardian found him,
saved his life and changed him into a young man again. So the older ST:First
Contact Cochrane is not that disparent.
Ronald Cole
> Need I remind you of the inherent differences between Cochran
> of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
> blatant?
The Cochran of TOS was an old man who went out into space to die and
was then captured and changed by the Companion...
> As I understand it, the first actual contact with Klingons and
> Romulans was also within TOS. Showing them prior would be changing
> history as well.
I think that TOS was the first time that Starfleet had met both of
them face to face (actually seen what the other looked like). At
least with the Romulans that's the case ("Enterprise Incident"). I'm
not too sure about the Klingons, though (I haven't seen the Organian
ep. for a while).
Justin O'Neill
for Julianna Feigl, who said:
>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:25:54 GMT, "Ann Johnson" <Johns...@att.net>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <olc...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
>>news:3ac90bc8...@nntp.interaccess.com...
>>> Assuming the rumor mill is true, who out there will actually watch
>>> the new series?
>>
>>Not me.
>>
>>Voyager has really run Trek into the ground. The new series is
>>supposed to have a Vulcan science officer. There is supposed to be a
>>lot of Vulcan interaction. The Voyager writers couldn't write for
>>Tuvok.
>
>Nope. It's more like they didn't bother with him. He was that token
>black dude on the bridge, nothing more. The new female Vulcan will be
>white and a hot chick. You bet they'll write for her. Not necessarily
>in Vulcan style, but *she* will get screentime...
And the writers *can* write for Tuvok...see "Meld," for instance. The
problem is that they don't.
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Adrian Appleberry
> problem is that they don't.
Right.... Although, I'm going to step back and not blame the writers for
this... I think the producers are more at fault here.... The writers write
what they're told to write and for whom they're told to write. If they
pitch a story idea that Berman doesn't like or that goes in a direction
different than his own, it gets nixed.
Ronald Cole
> least with the Romulans that's the case ("Enterprise Incident"). I'm
D'oh! That should be "Balance Of Terror"...
Bozo the Evil Klown
>>rape your grandmother and fart in airlocks;
>You realise that a Klingon in an airlock is wearing some kind of
>pressure suit? Thus farting would only bring pain to himself?
Klingons like pain.
TC
Bozo said they were Trek Sluts.
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
>Last November, I tried to vote for Gore, but I accidently ended up voting
>for Julianna Feigl, who said:
>
>>On Tue, 03 Apr 2001 03:25:54 GMT, "Ann Johnson" <Johns...@att.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Thaddeus L Olczyk" <olc...@interaccess.com> wrote in message
>>>news:3ac90bc8...@nntp.interaccess.com...
>>>> Assuming the rumor mill is true, who out there will actually watch
>>>> the new series?
>>>
>>>Not me.
>>>
>>>Voyager has really run Trek into the ground. The new series is
>>>supposed to have a Vulcan science officer. There is supposed to be a
>>>lot of Vulcan interaction. The Voyager writers couldn't write for
>>>Tuvok.
>>
>>Nope. It's more like they didn't bother with him. He was that token
>>black dude on the bridge, nothing more. The new female Vulcan will be
>>white and a hot chick. You bet they'll write for her. Not necessarily
>>in Vulcan style, but *she* will get screentime...
>
>And the writers *can* write for Tuvok...see "Meld," for instance. The
>problem is that they don't.
Unfortunately true.
Julianna Feigl
True again. Though I don't think Berman is the one responsible for
Tuvok's neglect. It's more Jeri Taylor and Braga, who had both their
own swoon-drool interest to promote...
Thaddeus L Olczyk
<mbal...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>Need I remind you of the inherent differences between Cochran
>of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
>blatant?
Cochran was mentioned in TOS? What episode?
Julianna Feigl
He was not only mentioned, he appeared in "Metamorphosis". (played by
actor Glenn Corbett)
Arlie
He was not only mentioned, he appeared in "Metamorphosis". (played by
actor Glenn Corbett) <<
Yes. Cochrane was a TOS character, later swiped for the movies and later Trek
series.
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Bozo the Evil Klown
>>of TOS, and Cochran of ST:First Contact? Or would that be too
>>blatant?
>Cochran was mentioned in TOS? What episode?
"Metamorphosis." A sentient ionized cloud had fallen in love with him and
rejuvenated him.
O. Deus
>Voyager has really run Trek into the ground. The new series is supposed to
>have a Vulcan science officer. There is supposed to be a lot of Vulcan
>the producers going to get writers for the new Vulcans. The only good
Writers find that certain charachters work better than others and they
preffer writing for those charachters. Tuvok never worked but it wasn't
because he was Vulcan. A different Vulcan played by a good actress might
work quite well. Certainly the background and situations offers far more
potential than Tuvok as fascist security guy cum Janeway's lapdog.
>about going back in time is that there will be no holodecks; I am so sick
of
>those stories.
The holodeck was present in the animated series so some version thereof may
exist in the 22nd century too.
>The new series as it is planned is too derivative of TOS. There are only
>two female characters -- and the Asian one sounds like another Harry Kim.
>Uhura will still be the only black female character in Trek -- what gives
>with that casting? How can the producers be on their fifth series and omit
>a black female cast member again?
I preffer good charachters to playing politically correct grab bag casting,
that was Voyager's first mistake to begin with.
Mirror Spock
I don't put that past the chimps.
* Robinson
Amarna
Olczyk) wrote:
>Assuming the rumor mill is true, who out there will actually watch the
>new series?
>I must admit that I was determined not to watch an "early federation"
>Star Trek, but assuming Bakula is captain... well we might actually
>get some good scripts.
>
>Then if as advertised they encounter Klingons in the first episode,
>and they start out as TNG Klingons and wind up as TOS Klingons, then
>it might be worth watching to see the explaination.
>
>Still... if Bakula isn't captain, then I probably won't watch.
If he *is* captain, I won't watch.
>Even if he is I won't hang around if it's bad. ( I'm learning.
>I've already dropped Andromeda. )
>Still, there is hope. Slim and none probably.
-- Amarna
Bozo the Evil Klown
>preffer writing for those charachters. Tuvok never worked but it wasn't
>because he was Vulcan.
It was because the so-called writers were fucking incompetent hacks who only
barely qualified as organic matter, let alone human.....
Colin Hayman
>
> It was because the so-called writers were fucking incompetent hacks who only
> barely qualified as organic matter, let alone human.....
<Troi> I sense...hostility, Captain. </Troi>
Lori Pringle
have a serious trekker to read all the scripts, too, to make sure the
stories don't totally blow.
A lot of the episodes have been lame. I think they have good ideas, but they
always manage to ruin them somehow - usually with 1 or 2 details that don't
make sense or are inconsistent with the characters or the show.
And you're right - they have overdone the holodeck stories to death.
Remember in TNG, when they did the whole series of "dream" episodes - I
think they did one episode for each character. Talk about writer's block.
The only really memorable thing was Data's cellular peptide cake.
I was just watching Voyager last night, and I saw an episode that reminded
me of the original series. I don't know the name of the episode, but they
found a damaged robot floating in space, and Torres fixed him, and they
returned him to his ship (a silver ship full of silver robots). Along came a
gold ship full of gold robots, and the two started fighting. It turns out
that these things were built about 14,000 years earlier by 2 groups of
people who were at war with each other. They built the robots to do their
fighting for them, and when the people were almost totally wiped out, they
called a truce. The people tried recall the robots, telling them they had to
come back and be dismantled, but they had pre-programmed them all with the
following: 1) the enemy must be destroyed; 2) anyone who tries to destroy
you is your enemy. (That one was pretty cool.)
Lori
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Julianna Feigl
Klown) wrote:
>>Writers find that certain charachters work better than others and they
>>preffer writing for those charachters. Tuvok never worked but it wasn't
>>because he was Vulcan.
>
>It was because the so-called writers were fucking incompetent hacks who only
>barely qualified as organic matter, let alone human.....
Because they didn'T even *bother* to try with him... just read their
interviews. The thought that there is a ninth character by the name of
Tuvok hasn't occurred to *any* of them.
Marc
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> evilk...@aol.comedy (Bozo the Evil Klown) writes:
> > Aside from giving the chimps and chumps the chance to fuck up the
pre-TOS
> > timeline, *what* opportunity do they have then that they wouldn't in a
> > post-Vger time period?
>
> Too late! If what TrekWeb is reporting is true... It's already canon
> that Spock was the first Vulcan in Starfleet. So, how can Archer have
> a Vulcan first officer?
That can't be, as in one episode an entire "Enterprise" class starship was
eaten by some big ameoba (Immunity Syndrom) and it's ENTIRE CRUE were
Vulcans (early Star Fleet segregation - seperate but equeal).
>
> And the first ep deals with Starfleet meeting the Klingons for the
> first time... Do we get TOS Klingons? Rumor has it, no. I'm bracing
> for a repeat of the first two seasons of Kazons on Voyager, except
> that we'll have seven years of retconned Klingons (TOS Klingons would
> rape your grandmother and fart in airlocks; TNG Klingons wouldn't
> because there is no "honor" in it).