[OT][AOB] Testimonials on the charming Laura "ToolPackinMoma" Goodwin (Long)
Merrick Baldelli
Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin AKA
ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup, I decided
on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the various
testimonials from people on the net that have had the unparalleled
pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
Let's first start this with a word from the woman of the hour
that's trying to show us just how she contributes to a positive
newsgroup environment. It seems fitting, as it definitely sets the
mood for what sparkling repartee I have found from other chatters that
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From: Laura Goodwin (lal...@altavista.net)
Subject: Caution: flamebait :)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/02/15
Hi, if you are reading this, it's probably because you are one of the
few people who reflexively flame whatever I have to say.
You assholes do exist! You are, however, a shrinking minority. :)
Have fun! :) Rest assured, you have my enduring contempt, you
~impotent snails~! *hugs and sloppy kisses!*
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Of course, there have been no saints in this little world that
don't have a cross to bear, as it's been shown in Laura's admission of
a disability that hinders her so...
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From: Laura Goodwin (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Re: the "duplicates" some of you are seeing are cancelled
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-05-19 00:53:01 PST
I don't see them on my end. Some people may be seeing a lot of
CANCELED
posts, sent by me, and then canceled by me, which (despite my best
efforts) have nevertheless propagated.
As for any complainer who may be proclaiming in ASCEM or elsewhere
offsets that this sort of thing is further proof that I'm the
anti-christ, all I can say is I pity them their sad lack of anything
more important to occupy their mind.
As I explained in a private email to a (chronically) aggrieved Mr.
Hollihan over a year ago, I have a lifelong brain disorder for which I
am receiving a doctor's care and which is being treated with
medication. I realize I sometimes do odd things which for some
strange reason some people take as a personal affront instead of
shrugging them off as harmless (which they are) but it sometimes can't
be helped.
I'm doing the best I can on my end. I would appreciate receiving a
bit more forbearance from my "victims".
I thank you all for your patience and forgiveness.
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What is this brain disorder you ask? Why, by her own
admission:
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From: Laura Goodwin (lal...@spamtrap.com)
Subject: Re: Who drives?
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1997/06/14
This year I was diagnosed with adult Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD),
and began to receive treatment. For the first time in my life, I
became confident I could drive safely, thanks to the medication which
brightened and focused my otherwise dreamy and distractable brain.
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Needless to say yours truly also suffers from ADD/ADHD, and
therefore understands the cross she has to bear.
And now for the charming and sparkling testimonials on our
woman of the hour, Laura Nutckracker-ToolPackinMoma-Lalalaura
Goodwin... From approximately 06/1996 through to 03/2002
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From: Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com)
Subject: Re: This thread does not belong in misc.kids
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/12
Laura, if you'd like a clearer insight, a clue, if you will, as to why
some people have reacted to some of your posts as if you were
scratching your fingernails on chalkboard, look at this post again,
and notice that the entire message seems to be saying, as have several
other messages of yours, that you are dividing the folks here into the
Good Folk -- who agree with you, feel you have a legitimate grievance,
and are merciful, reasonable and civilized -- and the Bad Folk -- who
persecute you, don't like you, harbor feelings against you, and are
hopeless, evil, uncivilized, etc.
This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder if your intent is not
more towards self-justification and feeling righteous against Bad
People than it is genuine regret and apology for an error, as you
claimed. The fact that you then denied saying a bunch of stuff that
you said, and that most all of the folk whom you are looking to as
justifying your grievance are folk who did not actually read what you
wrote last time around adds to this impression.
However, having said that, I'd very much like to drop this. I can't
see why you are perpetuating this discussion save to justify yourself,
as in this message, and this doesn't give me a good impression of the
good person you doubtless are. So, in short, I suggest you shut up
about how persecuted you are or how mean folks are to you, and go back
to posting something more positive and more relevant to this
newsgroup. On the other hand, since you may believe that you know
stuff about me whereas I know naught about you, and you therefore have
no respect for me, and will therefore blow off this post: oh, well.
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Gary further raised questions about Laura Goodwin's apologetic
intents in the following message:
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From: Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com)
Subject: Re: This thread does not belong in misc.kids
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/07
I have no recollection of ever seeing a post from you here that was in
any way repentant or apologetic. After being personally insulted by
you, reading you complaining here about *your* feeling harassed leaves
me cold. I wish you no harm, but I would be happy to be directed to
those repentant, apologetic posts of yours that I missed.
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From: Michael D. Phoenix (mic...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU)
Subject: Re: This thread does not belong in misc.kids
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/08
Dear Ms. Goodwin:
I wasn't reading alt.polyamory when the original crossposting
happened. I don't read any of the parenting newsgroups now. I don't
have any personal investment in criticizing you, or defending Aahz, or
anything else.
But I can tell you very plainly that posting repeated diatribes to a
newsgroup where someone else is a frequent and respected contributor
(as Aahz is here), criticizing them for a single comment made in
another newsgroup, and complaining bitterly about the fact that you
were criticized for your own previous misbehavoir, is a wonderful way
to make yourself look like an idiot, and a very poor way to make
friends and influence people.
This "debate" was never even worth one post, much less the 20 or 30
I've seen on this thread lately. You're only making yourself look
more unreasonable, more angry, more vindictive, and more defensive
with each post you make.
I sincerely recommend that you stop posting, right now, on this
topic--don't even respond to my post here. Just stop posting, and
everyone else will too, and then we can go on with fun and interesting
conversations (which you are, of course, more than welcome to join).
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From: jah...@tantalus.clark.net (jah...@tantalus.clark.net)
Subject: Re: C-R-E-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y, maybe? (Re: Laura Goodwin (getting
to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/13
I personally think that your dramatics here are unnecessary, and verge
on histronics. Self destruction? That is simply incapable of being
taken seriously.
and later....
You now appear to be asserting that you are more creative, more
talented, more gifted, and more genious than the people who
misunderstood.
You are also engaging in very bad logic. Your logic is people are
laughing at me, they laughed at Einstein, therefor I am Einstein.
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From: Ulrika O'Brien (Ulr...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Well, hello there! :)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/14
>Because of his act, I was made aware that there was lingering
>resentment against me festering here, so I reopened the wound to clean
>it out so it could properly heal at last. I wish no harm, and I think
>a good case could be made that I never *did* any harm. In the final
>analysis, there is no agreement among the regulars here about me, or
>Aahz, or the crossposting question, or the so-called "disrespect of
>Christians" question or anything else.
Ah, so does there have to be a consensus that harm or disrespect
occurred before you'll believe that any occurred? Moreover, this
still reads a lot like you're still busy justifying your actions.
I'd be a lot more impressed with your claims to want to apologize
if you'd stop trying to prove that you have nothing to apologize
for. The "I was really justified anyway" stance doesn't wash
well as an apology strategy for many people, in case you weren't
aware.
>For the record, I got some very supportive email from some obviously
>nice and very intelligent subscribers who told me, in often beautiful
>and heartfelt language, that they were astounded at the animosity
>directed against me, and that they wanted me to feel welcome here.
>That was the real reason for posting my complaint, and for posting at
>all...I'm looking for like-minded friends. If they don't know where
>you are or where you stand, how can they find you?
This still reads a lot like your primary motive was essentially
self-serving and self-justificational. If the real reason for
posting was to find "like-minded friends" (read: people who
agree that you haven't done anything wrong) then the real
reason *wasn't* to apologize and make amends. It was to find
supporters, eh?
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From: Jack Peacock (pea...@simconv.com)
Subject: Re: Usenet bullies
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm,
soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom
Date: 1998/09/25
Laura Goodwin wrote in message
<360B6752...@altavista.net>...
>I am one of the principle people complaining about the vicious sport of
>flaming, and I am one of the people calling for a more civil and
>genuinely supportive tone in the NG. Make of that what you will.
So if someone else complains it's an abusive flame-fest, but
if you do it then it's direct action from a righteous but
principled person who really wants us all to be more civil
and supportive? What I make of it is that the "favorite
target flames" are a result of your own actions. How about
setting an example instead of a "do as I say, not as I do"?
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From: Xiphias Gladius (i...@schultz.io.com)
Subject: Re: But seriously, folks...
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/20
Laura Goodwin <lal...@altavista.net> writes:
>I apologize to Lawless for all the terrible things I said about him when
>I was angry. That was wrong.
Laura, it's too late. It's too late to redeem your reputation.
Certainly
not this easily.
It's good to apoligize. But apoligizing is only the first step.
Apologies are meaningless unless the behaviors change.
I gave you a chance, in my mind. I knew that you had a tendency to
apologize without understanding what you did wrong, and with no
intention of repairing your behavior. But then you posted in your
grief about how THIS would give you the impetus to change.
And I decided to give you a chance. That kind of sorrow can cause
someone to change.
But you didn't change. And it's not worth our time to wait for you to
do so.
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Of which Laura said,
I agree. I'm prepared to change my ways. I never set out to piss off
this many people. My objective all along was to make friends...I have
failed, but I'm going to keep trying.
But the question is, did she really make friends?
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From: WhyNot789 (whyn...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Vicki, what a woman! (Re: (getting to know you))
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/11
That's precisely the point. Laura's first post was totally acceptable,
the others were, shall we say, somewhat insensitive. Which is
why I postet my first critical reply to her in the original thread.
And a little later Laura went on the offensive only to be attacked by
several other posters.
I think the main problem is that she somehow appears to view
*any* criticism as an unwarranted attack. I only wish she'd stop
and *think* about it for a while before replying in such cases.
Admitting you may have been wrong is not a sign of weakness.
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From: Kevin Muñoz (ke...@tesarta.com)
Subject: Re: C-R-E-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y, maybe? (Re: Laura Goodwin (getting
to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/13
In article <369D49EF...@altavista.net>, Laura Goodwin
<lal...@altavista.net> wrote:
> FWIW, I have heard and understand that there are a number of people who
> participate in this newsgroup who find me insufferably arrogant and just
> plain annoying. I understand that. Can we have a show of hands? I'm
> curious to know just how many of you feel this way, and who you are.
Hand!
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From: Frites (Xpost-No-Archive seems to be on for this individual)
In article <369D49EF...@altavista.net>, Laura Goodwin
<lal...@altavista.net> wrote:
> FWIW, I have heard and understand that there are a number of people who
> participate in this newsgroup who find me insufferably arrogant and just
> plain annoying. I understand that. Can we have a show of hands? I'm
> curious to know just how many of you feel this way, and who you are.
It's not the way I would have put it, but it's a fair question and
it's close enough that I'll raise my hand.
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From: SirGhidrah (sirgh...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: C-R-E-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y, maybe? (Re: Laura Goodwin (getting
to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/14
I just think of you as one more reason I'm glad I moved out of
Connecticut.
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From: Arrow Blue (arrowblu@take_out_to_email.ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Laura Goodwin (getting to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/10
That all may be nice, but I don't appreciate someone insisting that I
have to treat her with greater latitude than others because she is a
self proclaimed leader. Laura acts out occasionally on this newsgroup
- breaks the rules, flames people for doing exactly what she has just
done, makes illogical self aggrandizing posts. Perhaps she is judged
more harshly because she keeps bringing up the fact that she thinks
she is our leader.
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From: JSin (los...@aracnet.com)
Subject: Re: Laura Goodwin (getting to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/11
All I have is what she writes and I do not have anywhere near the
esteem you so highly hold her in. Perhaps she should look more
closely at the venue she is in. I do not feel I need to accommodate an
individual in deference to the venue he or she is accustomed to. In
this venue she is La Loony and all that entails. What we have are her
posts. As such her reputation is as stands.
And later...
I will grant her a small measure of variance by not plonking her
whether it is for amusement or fodder I am not sure but I will dare
tell it is not for her leadership qualities which to me are scarce if
not null.
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From: le...@omit.these.four.words.heathen.com
(le...@omit.these.four.words.heathen.com)
Subject: Re: Laura Goodwin (getting to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/12
You have acted out, irrationally, more than once (and no, I'm not
gonna go to Deja News and get the articles. If you cannot remenber
what you have done, then there is more for you to despair, I think). I
have noticed, and been moved to comment upon it.
It appears to me once again as though you feel compelled to act as
though someone has tried to nonconsensually shove a 2X4 up your butt.
And later....
Your actions here in *this* *very* *post* reek of acting in an
immature manner on this newsgroup, IMO. I can only speak for myself,
but I tend to be intolerant of hypocracy on this newsgroup, so that's
true, too.
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From: Karmen Ghia (karme...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Feedback, schmeedback (Re: Guess I touched a nerve)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-09 18:10:19 PST
You will do anything for attention, responding to you on any level
only encourages you so I'm taking Jungle Kitty's advice and ignoring
you. That won't be difficult because you write such slap dash
dreadful stuff and only for attention, it's not worth reading in the
first place. And you will never get better if you can't hear
constructive criticism. But you're just in here to get your attention
fix, so it's not about writing with you anyway.
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Suffice it to say, she then changed her nick from Laura
Goodwin (lal...@altavista.net) to Nutcracker (lal...@altavista.net)
on 12/09/2000.
Why is it I'm sensing a pattern here? First she's all nice,
then all sorts of flames erupt, and she changes her name. When the
flames pick up again under the pseudonym, she changes back to her
christian name?
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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From: Laura J Valentine (jacq...@andrew.cmu.edu)
Subject: Re: Guess I touched a nerve
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-08 13:07:12 PST
Actually, Laura is holding the conversation with herself. Very few
other people are saying anything at all; she's mostly posting
repeatedly without any apparent connection to what else is going on.
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Of which this *definitely* hit a nerve, and Laura Goodwin
immediately plonked her for saying it, but then continued talking
about her from the other side of the killfile, justifying her being
plonked to anyone that cared to listen.
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From: Michael Roy Hollihan (holli...@bellsouth.net)
Subject: Re: Guess I touched a nerve
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-09 19:46:17 PST
Bwahahahaha! *You* don't *fault* me for *loyalty*? Your megalomania is
showing again.
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This is a gem worthy of framing
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From: pi...@my-deja.com (pi...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Asimov's pizzled (Was:Laura Goodwin is no Asimov (Re: NEW
TOS limerick "When You Judge, Judge Righteously")
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-15 09:40:06 PST
There once was a poster named Laura
She's good to be named bo-a-bora
Got flamed high and low
gave Asimov a blow
Now nobody wants to ado-ra!
She talked to herself on the ng
And pissed off the rest with some real pee
Wassit somethin' she said?
Going great in her head
But heck, don't we all crave such F-B!
No shit, don't be pizzled by rumor
Them dicks an' bones got some humor
They saw a great voice
Heard faces rejoice
Just look on your head, there's a tumor!
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The following post certainly explains her negative reactions
to the word "troll" in either one's name or their "profession".
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From: Trollcraker (troll...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-03-23 21:47:58 PST
Tsk...Tsk Laura--you really need to be the focus of attention 24/7
don't you.
>If the NG is going to be devoted to it, and if it's going to so
>completely dominate the NG for two months out of every year, I feel that
>we deserve some assurance that it actually is a worthwhile exercise. I
>personally don't feel that it is.
Ah huh--that's why you decided you had to crowd the bandwith with your
drabbles during the TOS period and why you loudly complained about not
getting votes?
> 29 people rushed to
>join my TOS-up e-list: I know *they* are reading me.
That's you and how many of your sockpuppets.
>I was nominated in many
>categories this year.
Try getting this though your thick skull Laura. You were not
"nominated" for anything. Anyone and everyone who posted a story from
February to February of the past year got a place on the ballots.
None of your stories or drabbles are there because they're anything
special.
This Newsgroup isn't run to please you personally. Live with it. Not
everything is about you. Tough titty if you don't like it when
attention is paid to people who can actually put more than 100 words
together at one time.
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From: Michael Roy Hollihan (holli...@bellsouth.net)
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-03-24 18:08:14 PST
Your pal Laura Goodwin wrote:
>
> That implication is libelous and is actionable. I demand a retraction
> and apology.
You always come down to these veiled threats. Almost every time. The
last refuge of Net scoundrels.
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In case some of you that don't know, Stephen Ratliff works on
the ASC AWards. Which makes the following post all that more
interesting, considering his general demeanor towards most people.
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From: Stephen Ratliff (stephen...@crosswinds.net)
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-03-24 07:52:10 PST
Some of you may know me... I'm the guy that founded the Awards. I ran
the awards for 3 years, departing the job when I was about to leave
College. During my time on ASC I've posted over 30 stories. None of
which were ever commented on. Does this make me think the Awards
aren't worth while?
Obviously not. After all, I continued to run the awards, and continue
to boost the awards process. And I'm not going to let one person's
sour grapes ruin it.
Laura, so you didn't get feedback during the awards... okay, it
happens. Perhaps your fans didn't feel comfortable posting, or maybe
didn't know when it was happening. We'll work on that.
Frankly, I'm tired of hearing your bashing of the awards... Perhaps
you're working on the theory that the squiky wheel gets the oil? I
hate to burst your bubble, but yelling and screeming about not getting
votes isn't going to increase the likelihood of change or you getting
votes and feedback.
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From: Mysterion (zo...@supernet.com)
Subject: Re: "Space Seed"
Newsgroups: alt.startrek
Date: 2001-04-20 07:18:04 PST
Your website glorifies the causing of real physical pain.
You promote yourself as a strong "dominant female".
And then you whine like a kicked cur over a few typed sentences.
Strong dominant female, indeed.
You know, at first I was genuinely concerned that in my ignorance of
your strange hobby I may have accidently stepped over some line, the
existance of which I was unaware.
But now, I'm starting to get a little ticked off.
Your hypersensitivity and complete lack of humor when you find
yourself on the receiving end are indicative of the self-serving
hypocrisy that is all too evident today.
If you want to dish out psychobabble, don't be surprised when it comes
right back at you.
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To which, of course, Laura Goodwin plonked him immediately
after that.
Following is proof to Laura Goodwin posting messages to the
newsgroup, with a CC to the person in their e-mail. When the person
replies to the e-mail (as people read e-mail first before running to
the usenet), she then kooks out demanding they never write her in
e-mail again.
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From: t (t...@slavery.nu)
Subject: Open Letter to Laura G.
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom
Date: 2002-03-21 16:47:36 PST
Urp.. go figure Laura doesn't want me to email her again..
Her paranoia is kicking in.. urf..
..so here is my open letter to you Laura.
------------
Laura,
Do whatever you want..
..but i will backup my promise
if you don't KNOCK IT OFF.
You fooled me for a while.. i was spot on with
my commentary to your "Be Nice" post.. i take
back my apology. You are the least nice person
i have met here, and the only one that is a
real "eyesore" other than innocuous stupid posts.
Stop the rudeness, sniping,
or i will assemble a growing collection
of your rude clueless posts, with my
(and anyone else's) commentary all linked
right back to Google..
REALLY not the way you wanted to be linked, eh?
Your ONLY out is to KNOCK OFF THE RUDENESS and
really "BE NICE"..
If that is harrassment, then call the police.. HA!
..that is just you with egg all over your face,
and most deservedly so. You should think before
hitting send. Most of the time.
And i will post it behind every rude post that
you make, as well as adding the new one to the end.
In addition i will offer you money to just leave and not post
here anymore.. how about $300/yr..
Anybody else willing to pitch in?
Fucking tired of Laura,
t
private email: nu_v...@yahoo.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org>
Cc: <karint...@Yahoo.Com>; <ab...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: Tom, Stop Re: Shut up, or i will slam you from every angle.
> Tom, never email me again, and stop threatening me in private and in
> public. I consider these letters and your post to be harassment: they
> are abusive, they are threatening, and I demand that you stop at once.
>
> Laura Goodwin
----
As you can see in the above e-mail, someone else was included
in on her private e-mail to nu_v...@yahoo.com. Following is that
other person's response to being included in on that e-mail.
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From: Karinthia (karinthia...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Laura G.
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom
Date: 2002-03-21 17:50:17 PST
ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>>Tom, never email me again, and stop threatening me in private and in
>>>public. I consider these letters and your post to be harassment: they
>>>are abusive, they are threatening, and I demand that you stop at once.
Hopefully, you two will stop your bullshit and I get to keep my yahoo
account. Absolutely brilliant including me in a nasty e-gram, it's
reply
AND a complaint to ab...@yahoo.com . Thank you both ever so much <deep
sarcasm>
Now, you can both piss off.
<flush>
Karinthia
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There you have it folks. I would think that this is
sufficient evidence for Laura Goodwin's sparkling personality, and
consistent method for making friends and influencing people on the
internet. I hope you enjoy this as much as I have. Now if you'll
excuse me, I'm off to try out using my ADD as an excuse for my
attitude on the net. Maybe it'll garner some much needed sympathy
considering the amount of grief I get for no good particular reason.
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RWF
Merrick Baldelli <Snark...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
> Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin AKA
> ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup, I decided
> on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the various
> testimonials from people on the net that have had the unparalleled
> pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
>
>
> Let's first start this with a word from the woman of the hour
> that's trying to show us just how she contributes to a positive
> newsgroup environment. It seems fitting, as it definitely sets the
> mood for what sparkling repartee I have found from other chatters......
<<<<Merrick's gargantuan post snipped>>>>
wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
research into this, Merrick, and I hope everyone can appreciate it as
much as I did. It should open eyes everywhere.
Thank you Merrick.
--
xoxo
RWF,
now the Queen of Diamonds in the NG deck.
Hey, that makes me Steve's McQueen O:-)
ToolPackinMama
> wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> research into this, Merrick
Yeah, and it's a complete waste of his netkook time, because the truth
is I changed my nick simply because I felt like it. I have been using
la...@lauragoodwin.org as my email address all along, so obviously there
was never any attempt to hide who I am. I'm not ashamed of who I am. I
like who I am. Just because their are assholes all over the net doesn't
change that fact.
I am Laura Goodwin, and I have never been ashamed of it, and I have
never tried to hide it, and that's a fact.
Mojo Ta'Ta
"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:3ED418A5...@lauragoodwin.org...
> RWF wrote:
>
> > wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> > research into this, Merrick
>
> Yeah, and it's a complete waste of his netkook time, because the truth
> is I changed my nick simply because I felt like it. I have been using
> la...@lauragoodwin.org as my email address all along, so obviously there
> was never any attempt to hide who I am. I'm not ashamed of who I am. I
> like who I am. Just because their are assholes all over the net doesn't
> change that fact.
er... what does this have to do with what Merrick wrote?
ToolPackinMama
a bully and worse, just like I said.
Mark B
Merrick Baldelli wrote:
> Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
> Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin AKA
> ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup, I decided
> on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the various
> testimonials from people on the net that have had the unparalleled
> pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
>
[snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references :-) ]
>
> There you have it folks. I would think that this is
> sufficient evidence for Laura Goodwin's sparkling personality, and
> consistent method for making friends and influencing people on the
> internet.
Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
ToolPackinMama
> wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> research into this, Merrick, and I hope everyone can appreciate it as
> much as I did. It should open eyes everywhere.
Guess my presidential aspirations are shot to hell, now! LOL! ;)
--
Laura Goodwin
"Do the thing you fear, and the death of fear is certain." [Ralph Waldo
Emerson]
Mojo Ta'Ta
> Merrick can netkook with the best of them, just like Gisele said. He's
> a bully and worse, just like I said.
And you're not much better, especially since you're not making any excuses
foir the misdeeds of your past...
Mojo Ta'Ta
"Mark B" <mark613NO...@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:3ED41AFF...@airmail.net...
And the willingness to share it for others to read
Mojo Ta'Ta
> RWF wrote:
>
> > wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> > research into this, Merrick, and I hope everyone can appreciate it as
> > much as I did. It should open eyes everywhere.
>
> Guess my presidential aspirations are shot to hell, now! LOL! ;)
Two replies in minutes... again.
ToolPackinMama
> [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references :-) ]
You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
> Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
facts that have been presented? Be precise.
Prima
"Mojo Ta'Ta" <tat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bb163h$4kf3m$1...@ID-119704.news.dfncis.de...
Like I said, she's Ronda....if Ronda ever got laid.
Donna
~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck." -Joss Whedon
Prima
> Mark B wrote:
>
> > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references
:-) ]
>
> You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
>
> > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
>
> What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> facts that have been presented? Be precise.
Of course, all those individuals must have just been picking on you.
Donna
Louis M. Brown
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>RWF wrote:
>
>> wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
>> research into this, Merrick
>
>Yeah, and it's a complete waste of his netkook time, because the truth
>is I changed my nick simply because I felt like it.
Yea, ok.
> I have been using
>la...@lauragoodwin.org as my email address all along, so obviously there
>was never any attempt to hide who I am. I'm not ashamed of who I am. I
>like who I am. Just because their are assholes all over the net doesn't
>change that fact.
>
>I am Laura Goodwin, and I have never been ashamed of it, and I have
>never tried to hide it, and that's a fact.
Maybe you didn't try very hard, but you definitely have a pattern of
behaviour that doesn't reflect well.
-LMB
Laura Goodwin: Proud Bigot:
"Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking FAGGOT."
said Laura goodwin in post Message-ID: <3EBE8496...@lauragoodwin.org> - then proclaimed her pride in her bigotry
with "Laura Goodwin - That's my name, and I stand by every word I ever posted. I am not ashamed: I am proud of myself, and of my whole life."
in message: Message-ID: <3EC852D1...@lauragoodwin.org>
Ace of Spades in the NG Evil Cabal pack of cards!
Louis M. Brown
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>RWF wrote:
>
>> wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
>> research into this, Merrick, and I hope everyone can appreciate it as
>> much as I did. It should open eyes everywhere.
>
>Guess my presidential aspirations are shot to hell, now! LOL! ;)
No less than *3* posts, in reply, in just minutes.
Got Kook?
Louis M. Brown
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>Mark B wrote:
>
>> [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references :-) ]
>
>You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
>
>> Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
>
>What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
>facts that have been presented? Be precise.
Um, your posting history, and the replies of people to you, from
several newsgroups, over the years?
Does that ring a bell?
ToolPackinMama
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:3ED41CAC...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > Mark B wrote:
> >
> > > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references
> :-) ]
> >
> > You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
> >
> > > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
> >
> > What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> > facts that have been presented? Be precise.
>
> Of course, all those individuals must have just been picking on you.
Prove they weren't ::rolling eyes::
Mojo Ta'Ta
>
> > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references
:-) ]
>
> You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
>
> > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
>
> What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> facts that have been presented? Be precise.
We dont have a side in anything posted. Its not even about us.
Its all about YOU. Your HISTORY that you're so proud of, a history of
enflaming NG after NG, calling the people who you enrage "bullies" for
disagreeing with you.
Mojo Ta'Ta
"Prima" <shre...@godawful.zzn.comMUNISTS!> wrote in message
news:h4VAa.26650$ek2.4...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:3ED41CAC...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > Mark B wrote:
> >
> > > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references
> :-) ]
> >
> > You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
> >
> > > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
> >
> > What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> > facts that have been presented? Be precise.
>
> Of course, all those individuals must have just been picking on you.
Bullies!! All of them!!
Mojo Ta'Ta
> Prima wrote:
> >
> > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> > news:3ED41CAC...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > > Mark B wrote:
> > >
> > > > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character
references
> > :-) ]
> > >
> > > You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
> > >
> > > > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
> > >
> > > What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> > > facts that have been presented? Be precise.
> >
> > Of course, all those individuals must have just been picking on you.
>
> Prove they weren't ::rolling eyes::
No need. Merrick already did.
Pahsons - Somnolent
> Now
You are my hero
--
"If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
Prima
> Prima wrote:
> >
> > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> > news:3ED41CAC...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > > Mark B wrote:
> > >
> > > > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character
references
> > :-) ]
> > >
> > > You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
> > >
> > > > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
> > >
> > > What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> > > facts that have been presented? Be precise.
> >
> > Of course, all those individuals must have just been picking on you.
>
> Prove they weren't
No. The burden of proof is on you because you're the one saying that the
net is rife with meanies who have a personal vendetta.
My experience is you have to be a pretty big nut for that many individuals
on that many unrelated NGs to say you're...well, a pretty big nut.
>::rolling eyes::
::picks up loose eyeballs::
Here. You dropped these.
ToolPackinMama
> No. The burden of proof is on you because you're the one saying that the
> net is rife with meanies who have a personal vendetta.
:)
LOL
jesus X
> I am Laura Goodwin, and I have never been ashamed of it, and I have
> never tried to hide it, and that's a fact.
Not taking sides (I really don't care who hates who and why), I have lurked,
delurked, and sometimes altogether unubscribed to the various Trek newsgroups
over several years. Despite my very limited time among the various newsgroups, I
still recognized several names, yours included. As I recall, you had the
"ToolPackinMama" thing for a LONG time, either as _part_ of your nick or your
Sig, if I recall. So I'd have to agree that you, in fact, have made _no_ attempt
to mislead anyone based on the use of the "Laura Goodwin" and "ToolPackinMama"
nicks. If I can remember you using both names, I see little reason why anyone
who reads the groups with ANY regularity would be confused, barring strange
space diseases, transporter malfunctions, or stupidity.
--
jesus X [ Booze-fueled paragon of pointless cruelty and wanton sadism. ]
email [ jesus_x @ mozillanews.org ]
web [ http://www.mozillanews.org ]
insult [ As usual, you've been a real pantload. ]
warning [ Don't touch that! You might mutate your fingers. ]
ToolPackinMama
> Not taking sides (I really don't care who hates who and why), I have lurked,
> delurked, and sometimes altogether unubscribed to the various Trek newsgroups
> over several years. Despite my very limited time among the various newsgroups, I
> still recognized several names, yours included. As I recall, you had the
> "ToolPackinMama" thing for a LONG time, either as _part_ of your nick or your
> Sig, if I recall. So I'd have to agree that you, in fact, have made _no_ attempt
> to mislead anyone based on the use of the "Laura Goodwin" and "ToolPackinMama"
> nicks. If I can remember you using both names, I see little reason why anyone
> who reads the groups with ANY regularity would be confused, barring strange
> space diseases, transporter malfunctions, or stupidity.
Thank you.
Louis M. Brown
Again, no answer, eh?
Mark B
ToolPackinMama wrote:
> Mark B wrote:
>
>
>>[snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character references :-) ]
>
>
> You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
>
Thus begins the deliberate attempt to discredit someone doesn't see eye
to eye with TPM. I guess she doen't think that someone could spend a
few days reading the public record and OBJECTIVELY come to the
conclusion that "the bullies" arguments have some merit.
>
>>Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
>
>
> What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> facts that have been presented? Be precise.
Sorry guys but just in case TPM has someone KF'd and missed this:
In article <pet7dvgp3rsecbnhk...@4ax.com>,
Merrick Baldelli <Snark...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin AKA
ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup, I decided
on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the various
testimonials from people on the net that have had the unparalleled
pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
Let's first start this with a word from the woman of the hour
that's trying to show us just how she contributes to a positive
newsgroup environment. It seems fitting, as it definitely sets the
mood for what sparkling repartee I have found from other chatters that
----
From: Laura Goodwin (lal...@altavista.net)
Subject: Caution: flamebait :)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/02/15
Hi, if you are reading this, it's probably because you are one of the
few people who reflexively flame whatever I have to say.
You assholes do exist! You are, however, a shrinking minority. :)
Have fun! :) Rest assured, you have my enduring contempt, you
~impotent snails~! *hugs and sloppy kisses!*
----
Of course, there have been no saints in this little world that
don't have a cross to bear, as it's been shown in Laura's admission of
a disability that hinders her so...
----
From: Laura Goodwin (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Re: the "duplicates" some of you are seeing are cancelled
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-05-19 00:53:01 PST
I don't see them on my end. Some people may be seeing a lot of
CANCELED
posts, sent by me, and then canceled by me, which (despite my best
efforts) have nevertheless propagated.
As for any complainer who may be proclaiming in ASCEM or elsewhere
offsets that this sort of thing is further proof that I'm the
anti-christ, all I can say is I pity them their sad lack of anything
more important to occupy their mind.
As I explained in a private email to a (chronically) aggrieved Mr.
Hollihan over a year ago, I have a lifelong brain disorder for which I
am receiving a doctor's care and which is being treated with
medication. I realize I sometimes do odd things which for some
strange reason some people take as a personal affront instead of
shrugging them off as harmless (which they are) but it sometimes can't
be helped.
I'm doing the best I can on my end. I would appreciate receiving a
bit more forbearance from my "victims".
I thank you all for your patience and forgiveness.
----
What is this brain disorder you ask? Why, by her own
admission:
----
From: Laura Goodwin (lal...@spamtrap.com)
Subject: Re: Who drives?
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1997/06/14
This year I was diagnosed with adult Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD),
and began to receive treatment. For the first time in my life, I
became confident I could drive safely, thanks to the medication which
brightened and focused my otherwise dreamy and distractable brain.
----
Needless to say yours truly also suffers from ADD/ADHD, and
therefore understands the cross she has to bear.
And now for the charming and sparkling testimonials on our
woman of the hour, Laura Nutckracker-ToolPackinMoma-Lalalaura
Goodwin... From approximately 06/1996 through to 03/2002
----
From: Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com)
Subject: Re: This thread does not belong in misc.kids
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/12
Laura, if you'd like a clearer insight, a clue, if you will, as to why
some people have reacted to some of your posts as if you were
scratching your fingernails on chalkboard, look at this post again,
and notice that the entire message seems to be saying, as have several
other messages of yours, that you are dividing the folks here into the
Good Folk -- who agree with you, feel you have a legitimate grievance,
and are merciful, reasonable and civilized -- and the Bad Folk -- who
persecute you, don't like you, harbor feelings against you, and are
hopeless, evil, uncivilized, etc.
This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder if your intent is not
more towards self-justification and feeling righteous against Bad
People than it is genuine regret and apology for an error, as you
claimed. The fact that you then denied saying a bunch of stuff that
you said, and that most all of the folk whom you are looking to as
justifying your grievance are folk who did not actually read what you
wrote last time around adds to this impression.
However, having said that, I'd very much like to drop this. I can't
see why you are perpetuating this discussion save to justify yourself,
as in this message, and this doesn't give me a good impression of the
good person you doubtless are. So, in short, I suggest you shut up
about how persecuted you are or how mean folks are to you, and go back
to posting something more positive and more relevant to this
newsgroup. On the other hand, since you may believe that you know
stuff about me whereas I know naught about you, and you therefore have
no respect for me, and will therefore blow off this post: oh, well.
----
Gary further raised questions about Laura Goodwin's apologetic
intents in the following message:
----
From: Gary Farber (gfa...@panix.com)
Subject: Re: This thread does not belong in misc.kids
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/07
I have no recollection of ever seeing a post from you here that was in
any way repentant or apologetic. After being personally insulted by
you, reading you complaining here about *your* feeling harassed leaves
me cold. I wish you no harm, but I would be happy to be directed to
those repentant, apologetic posts of yours that I missed.
----
From: Michael D. Phoenix (mic...@Xenon.Stanford.EDU)
Subject: Re: This thread does not belong in misc.kids
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/08
Dear Ms. Goodwin:
I wasn't reading alt.polyamory when the original crossposting
happened. I don't read any of the parenting newsgroups now. I don't
have any personal investment in criticizing you, or defending Aahz, or
anything else.
But I can tell you very plainly that posting repeated diatribes to a
newsgroup where someone else is a frequent and respected contributor
(as Aahz is here), criticizing them for a single comment made in
another newsgroup, and complaining bitterly about the fact that you
were criticized for your own previous misbehavoir, is a wonderful way
to make yourself look like an idiot, and a very poor way to make
friends and influence people.
This "debate" was never even worth one post, much less the 20 or 30
I've seen on this thread lately. You're only making yourself look
more unreasonable, more angry, more vindictive, and more defensive
with each post you make.
I sincerely recommend that you stop posting, right now, on this
topic--don't even respond to my post here. Just stop posting, and
everyone else will too, and then we can go on with fun and interesting
conversations (which you are, of course, more than welcome to join).
----
From: jah...@tantalus.clark.net (jah...@tantalus.clark.net)
Subject: Re: C-R-E-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y, maybe? (Re: Laura Goodwin (getting
to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/13
I personally think that your dramatics here are unnecessary, and verge
on histronics. Self destruction? That is simply incapable of being
taken seriously.
and later....
You now appear to be asserting that you are more creative, more
talented, more gifted, and more genious than the people who
misunderstood.
You are also engaging in very bad logic. Your logic is people are
laughing at me, they laughed at Einstein, therefor I am Einstein.
----
From: Ulrika O'Brien (Ulr...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Well, hello there! :)
Newsgroups: alt.polyamory
Date: 1996/06/14
>Because of his act, I was made aware that there was lingering
>resentment against me festering here, so I reopened the wound to clean
>it out so it could properly heal at last. I wish no harm, and I think
>a good case could be made that I never *did* any harm. In the final
>analysis, there is no agreement among the regulars here about me, or
>Aahz, or the crossposting question, or the so-called "disrespect of
>Christians" question or anything else.
Ah, so does there have to be a consensus that harm or disrespect
occurred before you'll believe that any occurred? Moreover, this
still reads a lot like you're still busy justifying your actions.
I'd be a lot more impressed with your claims to want to apologize
if you'd stop trying to prove that you have nothing to apologize
for. The "I was really justified anyway" stance doesn't wash
well as an apology strategy for many people, in case you weren't
aware.
>For the record, I got some very supportive email from some obviously
>nice and very intelligent subscribers who told me, in often beautiful
>and heartfelt language, that they were astounded at the animosity
>directed against me, and that they wanted me to feel welcome here.
>That was the real reason for posting my complaint, and for posting at
>all...I'm looking for like-minded friends. If they don't know where
>you are or where you stand, how can they find you?
This still reads a lot like your primary motive was essentially
self-serving and self-justificational. If the real reason for
posting was to find "like-minded friends" (read: people who
agree that you haven't done anything wrong) then the real
reason *wasn't* to apologize and make amends. It was to find
supporters, eh?
----
From: Jack Peacock (pea...@simconv.com)
Subject: Re: Usenet bullies
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm,
soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom
Date: 1998/09/25
Laura Goodwin wrote in message
<360B6752...@altavista.net>...
>I am one of the principle people complaining about the vicious sport of
>flaming, and I am one of the people calling for a more civil and
>genuinely supportive tone in the NG. Make of that what you will.
So if someone else complains it's an abusive flame-fest, but
if you do it then it's direct action from a righteous but
principled person who really wants us all to be more civil
and supportive? What I make of it is that the "favorite
target flames" are a result of your own actions. How about
setting an example instead of a "do as I say, not as I do"?
----
From: Xiphias Gladius (i...@schultz.io.com)
Subject: Re: But seriously, folks...
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/20
Laura Goodwin <lal...@altavista.net> writes:
>I apologize to Lawless for all the terrible things I said about him when
>I was angry. That was wrong.
Laura, it's too late. It's too late to redeem your reputation.
Certainly
not this easily.
It's good to apoligize. But apoligizing is only the first step.
Apologies are meaningless unless the behaviors change.
I gave you a chance, in my mind. I knew that you had a tendency to
apologize without understanding what you did wrong, and with no
intention of repairing your behavior. But then you posted in your
grief about how THIS would give you the impetus to change.
And I decided to give you a chance. That kind of sorrow can cause
someone to change.
But you didn't change. And it's not worth our time to wait for you to
do so.
---
Of which Laura said,
I agree. I'm prepared to change my ways. I never set out to piss off
this many people. My objective all along was to make friends...I have
failed, but I'm going to keep trying.
But the question is, did she really make friends?
----
From: WhyNot789 (whyn...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Vicki, what a woman! (Re: (getting to know you))
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/11
That's precisely the point. Laura's first post was totally acceptable,
the others were, shall we say, somewhat insensitive. Which is
why I postet my first critical reply to her in the original thread.
And a little later Laura went on the offensive only to be attacked by
several other posters.
I think the main problem is that she somehow appears to view
*any* criticism as an unwarranted attack. I only wish she'd stop
and *think* about it for a while before replying in such cases.
Admitting you may have been wrong is not a sign of weakness.
----
From: Kevin Muñoz (ke...@tesarta.com)
Subject: Re: C-R-E-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y, maybe? (Re: Laura Goodwin (getting
to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/13
In article <369D49EF...@altavista.net>, Laura Goodwin
<lal...@altavista.net> wrote:
> FWIW, I have heard and understand that there are a number of people who
> participate in this newsgroup who find me insufferably arrogant and just
> plain annoying. I understand that. Can we have a show of hands? I'm
> curious to know just how many of you feel this way, and who you are.
Hand!
----
From: Frites (Xpost-No-Archive seems to be on for this individual)
In article <369D49EF...@altavista.net>, Laura Goodwin
<lal...@altavista.net> wrote:
> FWIW, I have heard and understand that there are a number of people who
> participate in this newsgroup who find me insufferably arrogant and just
> plain annoying. I understand that. Can we have a show of hands? I'm
> curious to know just how many of you feel this way, and who you are.
It's not the way I would have put it, but it's a fair question and
it's close enough that I'll raise my hand.
----
From: SirGhidrah (sirgh...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: C-R-E-A-T-I-V-I-T-Y, maybe? (Re: Laura Goodwin (getting
to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/14
I just think of you as one more reason I'm glad I moved out of
Connecticut.
----
From: Arrow Blue (arrowblu@take_out_to_email.ix.netcom.com)
Subject: Re: Laura Goodwin (getting to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/10
That all may be nice, but I don't appreciate someone insisting that I
have to treat her with greater latitude than others because she is a
self proclaimed leader. Laura acts out occasionally on this newsgroup
- breaks the rules, flames people for doing exactly what she has just
done, makes illogical self aggrandizing posts. Perhaps she is judged
more harshly because she keeps bringing up the fact that she thinks
she is our leader.
----
From: JSin (los...@aracnet.com)
Subject: Re: Laura Goodwin (getting to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/11
All I have is what she writes and I do not have anywhere near the
esteem you so highly hold her in. Perhaps she should look more
closely at the venue she is in. I do not feel I need to accommodate an
individual in deference to the venue he or she is accustomed to. In
this venue she is La Loony and all that entails. What we have are her
posts. As such her reputation is as stands.
And later...
I will grant her a small measure of variance by not plonking her
whether it is for amusement or fodder I am not sure but I will dare
tell it is not for her leadership qualities which to me are scarce if
not null.
----
From: le...@omit.these.four.words.heathen.com
(le...@omit.these.four.words.heathen.com)
Subject: Re: Laura Goodwin (getting to know you)
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm
Date: 1999/01/12
You have acted out, irrationally, more than once (and no, I'm not
gonna go to Deja News and get the articles. If you cannot remenber
what you have done, then there is more for you to despair, I think). I
have noticed, and been moved to comment upon it.
It appears to me once again as though you feel compelled to act as
though someone has tried to nonconsensually shove a 2X4 up your butt.
And later....
Your actions here in *this* *very* *post* reek of acting in an
immature manner on this newsgroup, IMO. I can only speak for myself,
but I tend to be intolerant of hypocracy on this newsgroup, so that's
true, too.
----
From: Karmen Ghia (karme...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Feedback, schmeedback (Re: Guess I touched a nerve)
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-09 18:10:19 PST
You will do anything for attention, responding to you on any level
only encourages you so I'm taking Jungle Kitty's advice and ignoring
you. That won't be difficult because you write such slap dash
dreadful stuff and only for attention, it's not worth reading in the
first place. And you will never get better if you can't hear
constructive criticism. But you're just in here to get your attention
fix, so it's not about writing with you anyway.
----
Suffice it to say, she then changed her nick from Laura
Goodwin (lal...@altavista.net) to Nutcracker (lal...@altavista.net)
on 12/09/2000.
Why is it I'm sensing a pattern here? First she's all nice,
then all sorts of flames erupt, and she changes her name. When the
flames pick up again under the pseudonym, she changes back to her
christian name?
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
---
From: Laura J Valentine (jacq...@andrew.cmu.edu)
Subject: Re: Guess I touched a nerve
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-08 13:07:12 PST
Actually, Laura is holding the conversation with herself. Very few
other people are saying anything at all; she's mostly posting
repeatedly without any apparent connection to what else is going on.
----
Of which this *definitely* hit a nerve, and Laura Goodwin
immediately plonked her for saying it, but then continued talking
about her from the other side of the killfile, justifying her being
plonked to anyone that cared to listen.
----
From: Michael Roy Hollihan (holli...@bellsouth.net)
Subject: Re: Guess I touched a nerve
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-09 19:46:17 PST
Bwahahahaha! *You* don't *fault* me for *loyalty*? Your megalomania is
showing again.
----
This is a gem worthy of framing
----
From: pi...@my-deja.com (pi...@my-deja.com)
Subject: Re: Asimov's pizzled (Was:Laura Goodwin is no Asimov (Re: NEW
TOS limerick "When You Judge, Judge Righteously")
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2000-12-15 09:40:06 PST
There once was a poster named Laura
She's good to be named bo-a-bora
Got flamed high and low
gave Asimov a blow
Now nobody wants to ado-ra!
She talked to herself on the ng
And pissed off the rest with some real pee
Wassit somethin' she said?
Going great in her head
But heck, don't we all crave such F-B!
No shit, don't be pizzled by rumor
Them dicks an' bones got some humor
They saw a great voice
Heard faces rejoice
Just look on your head, there's a tumor!
----
The following post certainly explains her negative reactions
to the word "troll" in either one's name or their "profession".
----
From: Trollcraker (troll...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-03-23 21:47:58 PST
Tsk...Tsk Laura--you really need to be the focus of attention 24/7
don't you.
>If the NG is going to be devoted to it, and if it's going to so
>completely dominate the NG for two months out of every year, I feel that
>we deserve some assurance that it actually is a worthwhile exercise. I
>personally don't feel that it is.
Ah huh--that's why you decided you had to crowd the bandwith with your
drabbles during the TOS period and why you loudly complained about not
getting votes?
> 29 people rushed to
>join my TOS-up e-list: I know *they* are reading me.
That's you and how many of your sockpuppets.
>I was nominated in many
>categories this year.
Try getting this though your thick skull Laura. You were not
"nominated" for anything. Anyone and everyone who posted a story from
February to February of the past year got a place on the ballots.
None of your stories or drabbles are there because they're anything
special.
This Newsgroup isn't run to please you personally. Live with it. Not
everything is about you. Tough titty if you don't like it when
attention is paid to people who can actually put more than 100 words
together at one time.
----
From: Michael Roy Hollihan (holli...@bellsouth.net)
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-03-24 18:08:14 PST
Your pal Laura Goodwin wrote:
>
> That implication is libelous and is actionable. I demand a retraction
> and apology.
You always come down to these veiled threats. Almost every time. The
last refuge of Net scoundrels.
----
In case some of you that don't know, Stephen Ratliff works on
the ASC AWards. Which makes the following post all that more
interesting, considering his general demeanor towards most people.
----
From: Stephen Ratliff (stephen...@crosswinds.net)
Subject: Re: Credit Where Credit is Due
Newsgroups: alt.startrek.creative
Date: 2001-03-24 07:52:10 PST
Some of you may know me... I'm the guy that founded the Awards. I ran
the awards for 3 years, departing the job when I was about to leave
College. During my time on ASC I've posted over 30 stories. None of
which were ever commented on. Does this make me think the Awards
aren't worth while?
Obviously not. After all, I continued to run the awards, and continue
to boost the awards process. And I'm not going to let one person's
sour grapes ruin it.
Laura, so you didn't get feedback during the awards... okay, it
happens. Perhaps your fans didn't feel comfortable posting, or maybe
didn't know when it was happening. We'll work on that.
Frankly, I'm tired of hearing your bashing of the awards... Perhaps
you're working on the theory that the squiky wheel gets the oil? I
hate to burst your bubble, but yelling and screeming about not getting
votes isn't going to increase the likelihood of change or you getting
votes and feedback.
----
From: Mysterion (zo...@supernet.com)
Subject: Re: "Space Seed"
Newsgroups: alt.startrek
Date: 2001-04-20 07:18:04 PST
Your website glorifies the causing of real physical pain.
You promote yourself as a strong "dominant female".
And then you whine like a kicked cur over a few typed sentences.
Strong dominant female, indeed.
You know, at first I was genuinely concerned that in my ignorance of
your strange hobby I may have accidently stepped over some line, the
existance of which I was unaware.
But now, I'm starting to get a little ticked off.
Your hypersensitivity and complete lack of humor when you find
yourself on the receiving end are indicative of the self-serving
hypocrisy that is all too evident today.
If you want to dish out psychobabble, don't be surprised when it comes
right back at you.
----
To which, of course, Laura Goodwin plonked him immediately
after that.
Following is proof to Laura Goodwin posting messages to the
newsgroup, with a CC to the person in their e-mail. When the person
replies to the e-mail (as people read e-mail first before running to
the usenet), she then kooks out demanding they never write her in
e-mail again.
----
From: t (t...@slavery.nu)
Subject: Open Letter to Laura G.
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom
Date: 2002-03-21 16:47:36 PST
Urp.. go figure Laura doesn't want me to email her again..
Her paranoia is kicking in.. urf..
..so here is my open letter to you Laura.
------------
Laura,
Do whatever you want..
..but i will backup my promise
if you don't KNOCK IT OFF.
You fooled me for a while.. i was spot on with
my commentary to your "Be Nice" post.. i take
back my apology. You are the least nice person
i have met here, and the only one that is a
real "eyesore" other than innocuous stupid posts.
Stop the rudeness, sniping,
or i will assemble a growing collection
of your rude clueless posts, with my
(and anyone else's) commentary all linked
right back to Google..
REALLY not the way you wanted to be linked, eh?
Your ONLY out is to KNOCK OFF THE RUDENESS and
really "BE NICE"..
If that is harrassment, then call the police.. HA!
..that is just you with egg all over your face,
and most deservedly so. You should think before
hitting send. Most of the time.
And i will post it behind every rude post that
you make, as well as adding the new one to the end.
In addition i will offer you money to just leave and not post
here anymore.. how about $300/yr..
Anybody else willing to pitch in?
Fucking tired of Laura,
t
private email: nu_v...@yahoo.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org>
Cc: <karint...@Yahoo.Com>; <ab...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:27 PM
Subject: Tom, Stop Re: Shut up, or i will slam you from every angle.
> Tom, never email me again, and stop threatening me in private and in
> public. I consider these letters and your post to be harassment: they
> are abusive, they are threatening, and I demand that you stop at once.
>
> Laura Goodwin
----
As you can see in the above e-mail, someone else was included
in on her private e-mail to nu_v...@yahoo.com. Following is that
other person's response to being included in on that e-mail.
----
From: Karinthia (karinthia...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Open Letter to Laura G.
Newsgroups: soc.subculture.bondage-bdsm.femdom
Date: 2002-03-21 17:50:17 PST
ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>>Tom, never email me again, and stop threatening me in private and in
>>>public. I consider these letters and your post to be harassment: they
>>>are abusive, they are threatening, and I demand that you stop at once.
Hopefully, you two will stop your bullshit and I get to keep my yahoo
account. Absolutely brilliant including me in a nasty e-gram, it's
reply
AND a complaint to ab...@yahoo.com . Thank you both ever so much <deep
sarcasm>
Now, you can both piss off.
<flush>
Karinthia
---
There you have it folks. I would think that this is
sufficient evidence for Laura Goodwin's sparkling personality, and
consistent method for making friends and influencing people on the
internet. I hope you enjoy this as much as I have. Now if you'll
excuse me, I'm off to try out using my ADD as an excuse for my
attitude on the net. Maybe it'll garner some much needed sympathy
considering the amount of grief I get for no good particular reason.
-- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * .
Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` (\\\\ \_/ / Cabal Deck: Queen of Clubs
-=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ Home of the Evil Trek
Cabal© / /
ToolPackinMama
>
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
> > You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
> >
>
> Thus begins the deliberate attempt to discredit someone doesn't see eye
> to eye with TPM.
I think it's pretty obvious that you are biased, Mark. :)
<plonk>
Louis M. Brown
I thought you did that already?
Ruediger LANDMANN
: ----
: ----
: ----
: ----
: ----
: Dear Ms. Goodwin:
: and later....
:>a good case could be made that I never *did* any harm. In the final
: Laura Goodwin <lal...@altavista.net> writes:
: ---
: Of which Laura said,
: Hand!
: And later...
: And later....
: ----
: Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
: ----
: ----
: ----
: ----
: Strong dominant female, indeed.
: ----
: ------------
: Laura,
: Do whatever you want..
: private email: nu_v...@yahoo.com)
: ----
: <flush>
: Karinthia
: ---
: / / http://groups.yahoo.com/groups/trek_cabal
I agree with this post
Mark B
Louis M. Brown wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:19:22 GMT, ToolPackinMama
> <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>
>
>>Mark B wrote:
>>
>>>ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>
>>>>You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thus begins the deliberate attempt to discredit someone doesn't see eye
>>>to eye with TPM.
>>
>>I think it's pretty obvious that you are biased, Mark. :)
>>
>><plonk>
>
>
> I thought you did that already?
>
> -LMB
>
so did I....
Derek
in "alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise" assembled, and proclaimed:
> Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
> Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin
> AKA ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup,
> I decided on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the
> various testimonials from people on the net that have had the
> unparalleled pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
< snip >
Well, if nothing else, I owe Laura a bit of thanks for changing your
focus from my "perceptions" to something completely unrelated.
Derek
--
"Boys will be boys, and so will a lot of middle aged men."
- Frank McKinney Hubbard
Louis M. Brown
<mark613NO...@airmail.net> wrote:
>
>
>Louis M. Brown wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:19:22 GMT, ToolPackinMama
>> <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Mark B wrote:
>>>
>>>>ToolPackinMama wrote:
>>>
>>>>>You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Thus begins the deliberate attempt to discredit someone doesn't see eye
>>>>to eye with TPM.
>>>
>>>I think it's pretty obvious that you are biased, Mark. :)
>>>
>>><plonk>
>>
>>
>> I thought you did that already?
>>
>> -LMB
>>
>
>so did I....
Must have been another personality...
-LMB
ToolPackinMama
> Well, if nothing else, I owe Laura a bit of thanks for changing your
> focus from my "perceptions" to something completely unrelated.
I guess I'd better put my affairs in order, pronto. Heaven knows what
might happen next. People sure seem pretty darn mad. :)
ToolPackinMama
ToolPackinMama
ToolPackinMama
Think about that...
:)
jsa...@ecn.ab.ca
You missed the point of the joke! What good is the joke after you spoil
the punch line?
John Savard
ToolPackinMama
>
> ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org) wrote:
>
> : http://www.dhmo.org/
>
> You missed the point of the joke!
Dude, you missed the point of my post.
ToolPackinMama
observing dihydrogen monoxide, it may exist only in a vague or
undetermined state. It's so dangerously unstable, you have to watch it
all the time. :)
Karen
Is *that* what my cats are doing? Looking for instabilities? Guarding me
from the evil dihydrogen monoxide monster in the bathroom? All is explained.
Karen
ToolPackinMama
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote
> > Some quantum physics theories suggest that when a person is not directly
> > observing dihydrogen monoxide, it may exist only in a vague or
> > undetermined state. It's so dangerously unstable, you have to watch it
> > all the time. :)
>
> Is *that* what my cats are doing?
It's not the cats that should be worrying you. The fish. MY GOD THE
FISH. We eat those!
The Black Sheep
"Merrick Baldelli" <Snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:pet7dvgp3rsecbnhk...@4ax.com...
>
> Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
> Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin AKA
> ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup, I
decided
> on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the various
> testimonials from people on the net that have had the unparalleled
> pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
Have you no pride or self-respect? I don't give a fuck what you think
about Laura or who did what to whom first. If you post shit like
this-- for ANY reason-- don't expect to be seen as anything but scum.
I think its time to restore a bunch of people to my kill-file. I
would also guess that I've had as many as half the threads on atse
marked as "ignore" at any one time. This is pathetic.
Just to make myself clear: I don't give a fuck who started it, who is
right or wrong, blah-blah-blah. I don't accept any excuse for this
shit.
Maybe I should have a look at your ISP's TOS.
ToolPackinMama
>
> "Merrick Baldelli" <Snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:pet7dvgp3rsecbnhk...@4ax.com...
> >
> > Now that I've been accused to instituting a program of
> > Character Assassinations on our "beloved" poster Laura Goodwin AKA
> > ToolPackinMoma on the alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise newsgroup, I
> decided
> > on doing just a wee bit of research and pull out the various
> > testimonials from people on the net that have had the unparalleled
> > pleasure of dealing with her posting history.
>
> Have you no pride or self-respect?
Obviously, he doesn't.
> I don't give a fuck what you think
> about Laura or who did what to whom first. If you post shit like
> this-- for ANY reason-- don't expect to be seen as anything but scum.
Thank you.
> I think its time to restore a bunch of people to my kill-file. I
> would also guess that I've had as many as half the threads on atse
> marked as "ignore" at any one time. This is pathetic.
Thank you.
>
> Just to make myself clear: I don't give a fuck who started it, who is
> right or wrong, blah-blah-blah. I don't accept any excuse for this
> shit.
>
> Maybe I should have a look at your ISP's TOS.
Thank you.
Mojo Ta'Ta
> > Just to make myself clear: I don't give a fuck who started it, who is
> > right or wrong, blah-blah-blah. I don't accept any excuse for this
> > shit.
> >
> > Maybe I should have a look at your ISP's TOS.
>
> Thank you.
Ummm.... correct me if I'm wrong, but I think YOU were included in the blame
for "this shit", along with the rest of us.
Nelson Binch
news:bb2nia$58mdq$1...@ID-119704.news.dfncis.de...
I wonder just precisely what was TOSable in that post, since the whole of it
was from publicly accessible records.
---
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_`\(,_ Cycling is life,
(_)/ (_) all the rest, just details.
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That Guy
> RWF wrote:
>
> > wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> > research into this, Merrick
>
> Yeah, and it's a complete waste of his netkook time, because the truth
> is I changed my nick simply because I felt like it. I have been using
> la...@lauragoodwin.org as my email address all along, so obviously there
> was never any attempt to hide who I am. I'm not ashamed of who I am. I
> like who I am. Just because their are assholes all over the net doesn't
> change that fact.
>
> I am Laura Goodwin, and I have never been ashamed of it, and I have
> never tried to hide it, and that's a fact.
FWIW, Laura, I think you're smart, sexy and funny and I am glad you post
here.
ToolPackinMama
> FWIW, Laura, I think you're smart, sexy and funny and I am glad you post
> here.
Thank you very much. {{{hugs}}} :)
Ruediger LANDMANN
: I wonder just precisely what was TOSable in that post, since the whole of it
: was from publicly accessible records.
I wouldn't imagine anything. Black Sheep's just getting off playing
netKKKop.
Ruediger LANDMANN
: FWIW, Laura, I think you're smart, sexy and funny and I am glad you post
: here.
Well, there's no accounting for taste.
Prima
> Prima wrote:
>
> > No. The burden of proof is on you because you're the one saying that
the
> > net is rife with meanies who have a personal vendetta.
>
> :)
>
> LOL
Here. Since you clearly won't get the psychological help you need...It's
rather transparent that you thrive on making every newsgroup about YOU (ie.
you make Ronda Sexton appear sane) and yes, I was around when you first
imploded on ASC (who other than one rightfully labelled a brain flake gives
feedback that amounts to "This story would be better if it was Kirk humping
Spock"? Only you.)...I recommend that you play this(
http://www.steveswebpage.com/mov_affirm.html ) everytime you feel the need
to cause a swirling vortex of you.
Donna
Prima
>
> "Prima" <shre...@godawful.zzn.comMUNISTS!> wrote in message
> news:h4VAa.26650$ek2.4...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...> > news:3ED41CAC...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > > Mark B wrote:
> > >
> > > > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character
references
> > :-) ]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
> > > facts that have been presented? Be precise.
> >
>
> Bullies!! All of them!!
All that's missing is the complaining about the weather in Texas and sick
friends.
Donna
~~~~~~~~~
"Remember, always be yourself. Unless you suck." -Joss Whedon
Ruediger LANDMANN
: "Mojo Ta'Ta" <tat...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: news:bb16rv$4jvlt$2...@ID-119704.news.dfncis.de...
:>
:> "Prima" <shre...@godawful.zzn.comMUNISTS!> wrote in message
:> news:h4VAa.26650$ek2.4...@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
:> >
:> > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
:> > news:3ED41CAC...@lauragoodwin.org...
:> > > Mark B wrote:
:> > >
:> > > > [snipped a "wonderful" selection of TPM posts and character
: references
:> > :-) ]
:> > >
:> > > You are biased, aren't you, Mark. :)
:> > >
:> > > > Dammit, you mean "the bullies" have facts on their side? :-)
:> > >
:> > > What's factual about presenting only one side? Where exactly are the
:> > > facts that have been presented? Be precise.
:> >
:> > Of course, all those individuals must have just been picking on you.
:>
:> Bullies!! All of them!!
: All that's missing is the complaining about the weather in Texas and sick
: friends.
And...
...the trailer's leaking, the dog died, the repo man took the TV, the
gubment's against her, and The Cabal (tinc) is out to get her...
That Guy
"Ruediger LANDMANN" <zzrl...@fox.uq.net.au> wrote in message
news:bb3gj7$lru$1...@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au...
Considering the fact that your parents obviously cared for you enough to
raise you from infancy, I'd have to agree with you.
jsa...@ecn.ab.ca
: Is *that* what my cats are doing? Looking for instabilities? Guarding me
: from the evil dihydrogen monoxide monster in the bathroom? All is explained.
Everyone knows that *cats* don't qualify as "observers" to keep quantum
systems in neat eigenstates of their observables! Instead, if a cat is
sufficiently isolated from the rest of the world, it can become unstable
too!
Erwin Schrodinger was the first scientist to discover this fact!
John Savard
Merrick Baldelli
> Thus begins the deliberate attempt to discredit someone doesn't see eye
> to eye with TPM. I guess she doen't think that someone could spend a
> few days reading the public record and OBJECTIVELY come to the
> conclusion that "the bullies" arguments have some merit.
At least she's not trying to sue you for libal, which she used to do
in the past.
> Sorry guys but just in case TPM has someone KF'd and missed this:
No problem here. It's looking more and more like the TPM Bible if
ever there was such a thing.
> -- -=-=-/ )=*=-='=-.-'-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= _( (_ , '_ * .
> Merrick Baldelli (((\ \> /_1 ` (\\\\ \_/ / Cabal Deck: Queen of Clubs
> -=-\ /-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- \ _/ Home of the Evil Trek
> Cabal© / /
Good lord, this has to be the worst munging I've seen my .sig morphed
into. Daaamn....
Merrick Baldelli
> According to *my enemies*, I'm the devil incarnate.
Ummm. No.. The Devil Incarnate is me. You are just a misinthrope.
Merrick Baldelli
> wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> research into this, Merrick, and I hope everyone can appreciate it as
> much as I did. It should open eyes everywhere.
As I mentioned in the Cabal, this only took about an hour and a half
to put together. It's amazing sometimes what kind of paydirt one can
hit using the right words in Google.
> Thank you Merrick.
<Warcraft II> I come to serve </Warcraft II>
Merrick Baldelli
> to mislead anyone based on the use of the "Laura Goodwin"
> and "ToolPackinMama" nicks.
Not true at all, considering that she also attempted to change her
e-mail address at that time to toolpac...@worldnet.att.net for
which she was TOS'd for two years ago by me.
>If I can remember you using both names, I see little reason why
anyone
> who reads the groups with ANY regularity would be confused, barring strange
> space diseases, transporter malfunctions, or stupidity.
And you've been posting for how long again?
I've been here 10+ years, I've come to experience a lot of people
changing their nicknames, and even they're e-mail addresses to escape
spam. Most of these people that change their nicknames tend to do so
are normally in good graces with the posting masses. Not when they're
in the middle of a whole lot of flamage.
On Google, use Laura Goodwin Apology in Find messages with all of the
words and pay particularly close attention to the times for which she
had changed her nicknames. She had done so consistently during the
height of some of her biggest flames.
Also take the following into account -- when was the last time she
actually used Google to prove how wrong we all are? Never. Which is
quite possibly an indicator of her level of internet expertise.
Any by the way -- hate is too strong a word for what I feel for her.
Although, if she said what she said to me in real time, it would
certainly be difficult for me to contain my vehemence for such bigotry
from the likes of someone like her.
Merrick Baldelli
> Have you no pride or self-respect? I don't give a fuck what you think
> about Laura or who did what to whom first. If you post shit like
> this-- for ANY reason-- don't expect to be seen as anything but scum.
So you blast Nelson for his obvious distaste for BDSM, and yet because
she's bisexual and called me -- an out queer -- a jock sniffing,
urinal licking faggot with a gerbil up my ass, I should just let her
alone and accept that she's part of the community? Ummm, no, I don't
think so. Homophobia is homophobia, one shouldn't have to put up with
that crap within the community, just as we don't put up with it
outside of our community.
Frankly, I don't care the fact that she's a prominent poster to the
BDSM and FemDom groups. That's not the reason for my huge missive. I
could've easily left the groups listings out of it. But I left them
there for other people who would like to be able to cross verify her
attitudes on Google and get a better understanding of where to look
for the messages that I copied and pasted.
> I think its time to restore a bunch of people to my kill-file. I
> would also guess that I've had as many as half the threads on atse
> marked as "ignore" at any one time. This is pathetic.
Thank god. It's bad enough we have at least one person thinking she
runs and owns the newsgroup, the last thing I need to deal with is
another.
> Just to make myself clear: I don't give a fuck who started it, who is
> right or wrong, blah-blah-blah. I don't accept any excuse for this
> shit.
Obviously you do give a fuck who's at it, because here you are trying
to tell us what you think of it, in the hopes of getting the last word
in on it.
> Maybe I should have a look at your ISP's TOS.
Please do. I already looked into my TOS regarding the post. It's not
a binary in a non-binary group. It's not containing anything that's
not readily accessible through public records. I didn't change my
e-mail address to escape a killfile. I'm well within my rights and
within the Terms of Service that Mindspring established for the
newsgroups.
Besides, I thought you were plonking anyway -- move along little
plonkie and be done with it.
God, what a Fuckwit.
Merrick Baldelli
[Originally from Blacksheep]
> | > > Maybe I should have a look at your ISP's TOS.
>
> I wonder just precisely what was TOSable in that post, since the whole of it
> was from publicly accessible records.
Nothing really.
Mindspring's TOS clearly states offense if:
1. it's a binary posted to a non-binary group.
2. I munged my e-mail address to circumvent a killfile.
3. I was posting copyright material.
While it was not mentioned in Earthlink's Terms of Service, I did take
the liberty to mark it [OT][AOB] and (Long) which could easily be and
have been suggested to killfilter for those that don't want to read
the messages that are Off-Topic, Abuses of Bandwidth, and just plain
LONG.
Of course, the true hypocrisy of the moment is that BlackSheep blasted
you for your obvious distaste for her BDSM page, but he thinks it's
perfectly acceptable for someone out like myself should sit and
tolerate the presence of a homophobia from someone bisexual.
Ummm, no. I don't think so.
The Black Sheep
"Merrick Baldelli" <snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:2e40b67d.03052...@posting.google.com...
> "Nelson Binch" <inter...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:<bb2ttj$5b8kg$1...@ID-175756.news.dfncis.de>...
>
> [Originally from Blacksheep]
> > | > > Maybe I should have a look at your ISP's TOS.
> >
> > I wonder just precisely what was TOSable in that post, since the
whole of it
> > was from publicly accessible records.
>
> Nothing really.
Wrong. See section 2d. of the Acceptable Use Policy at
http://www.earthlink.net/about/policies/use/, for example. Most ISPs
have one or more versions of this. You posted a thread for the sole
propose of harassment, using quotes from previous sources, all to
attack another poster. Aren't you a nice guy.
The only thing was that scum is scum claiming innocence.
The Black Sheep
"Merrick Baldelli" <snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:2e40b67d.03052...@posting.google.com...
message news:<bb2kii$53do6$1...@ID-148573.news.dfncis.de>...
>
> > Have you no pride or self-respect? I don't give a fuck what you
think
> > about Laura or who did what to whom first. If you post shit like
> > this-- for ANY reason-- don't expect to be seen as anything but
scum.
>
> So you blast Nelson for his obvious distaste for BDSM, and yet
because
> she's bisexual and called me -- an out queer -- a jock sniffing,
> urinal licking faggot with a gerbil up my ass, I should just let her
> alone and accept that she's part of the community? Ummm, no, I
don't
> think so. Homophobia is homophobia, one shouldn't have to put up
with
> that crap within the community, just as we don't put up with it
> outside of our community.
I don't care what motivations you want to attribute to me, make up
stories in your own time. I am sick of the personal attacks on this
newsgroup. Flames, bitches, and the occasional jaw-breaking slap are
one thing, initiating a post to harass another user is going to far.
Its been going on for a while now, and has been done by more than one
person. I don't condone any of these instances, but I am sick of them
and decided to speak up about this time.
If you felt a message was homophobic you could report it to the
person's ISP, address the issue on the newsgroup, or just walk away.
If you instead decide to start a thread for your personal vendetta you
deserve no sympathy and will get none form me. Now go play "cry baby"
elsewhere.
> Obviously you do give a fuck who's at it, because here you are
trying
> to tell us what you think of it, in the hopes of getting the last
word
> in on it.
Grow up.
Ruediger LANDMANN
: Considering the fact that your parents obviously cared for you enough to
: raise you from infancy, I'd have to agree with you.
PKB
Ruediger LANDMANN
: Wrong. See section 2d. of the Acceptable Use Policy at
: http://www.earthlink.net/about/policies/use/, for example. Most ISPs
: have one or more versions of this. You posted a thread for the sole
: propose of harassment, using quotes from previous sources, all to
: attack another poster. Aren't you a nice guy.
Heh. Quoting back statements that a person made him/herself in a public
forum is a pretty weak form of "harrassment", wouldn't you think?
Ruediger LANDMANN
: I don't care what motivations you want to attribute to me, make up
: stories in your own time. I am sick of the personal attacks on this
: newsgroup. Flames, bitches, and the occasional jaw-breaking slap are
: one thing, initiating a post to harass another user is going to far.
I'm curious to know what you consider so very different between flaming
someone in an existing thread and flaming someone in a brand-spanking-new
thread? Why is one "one thing" and the other "going too far"?
: Its been going on for a while now, and has been done by more than one
: person. I don't condone any of these instances, but I am sick of them
: and decided to speak up about this time.
: If you felt a message was homophobic you could report it to the
: person's ISP,
Not everyone is a netKKKopping crybaby.
: address the issue on the newsgroup,
Isn't this exactly what's happened?
: or just walk away.
You mean, like you've just walked away from the flamage you don't like
reading?
: If you instead decide to start a thread for your personal vendetta you
: deserve no sympathy and will get none form me.
Isn't this now *your* vendetta? Or are you the only one who's allowed to
be "sick of" something and "speak up this time"? Are you beginning to see
the faintest glimmer of a double standard here?
: Now go play "cry baby"
: elsewhere.
You first.
: Grow up.
"Mr Kettle? Mr Kettle? There's a Mr Pot here wanting to speak to you about
something..."
Karen Chuplis
jsa...@ecn.ab.ca wrote on 5/29/03 10:45 AM:
Hey, last night I received a link to a video and in one clip you can clearly
see that cats ARE the Suliban. You've gotta see this.
http://www.petitmorte.net/envision/movie/funny_cats_1.wmv
Tell me if it isn't the same scene that we saw in Broken Bow.
Karen
Gisele La Roche
news:BAFC0E1E.112F2%kchu...@earthlink.net:
Lol, yeah those Suliban slithering around and squeezing under doors,
yeah, I see what you mean. I love cats and this was fun to
watch........:oD
>
> Karen
>
>
Karen Chuplis
Roche at gisele...@yahoo.com wrote on 5/29/03 7:37 PM:
I thought it was astounding!
Karen
Able Spacer Kelly
>
>
> Louis M. Brown wrote:
> > On Wed, 28 May 2003 03:19:22 GMT, ToolPackinMama
> > <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
> >
> >><plonk>
> >
> >
> > I thought you did that already?
> >
> >
>
> so did I....
>
>
Me too.
--
Kelly- Ten of Spades
WickeddollŽ
"Prima" <shre...@godawful.zzn.comMUNISTS!> wrote in message
verbatim, on other NGs.
How sad.
Natalie
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Louis M. Brown
<usen...@NOSPAM.theblacksheep.ws> wrote:
>
>"Merrick Baldelli" <snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:2e40b67d.03052...@posting.google.com...
>> "The Black Sheep" <usen...@NOSPAM.theblacksheep.ws> wrote in
>message news:<bb2kii$53do6$1...@ID-148573.news.dfncis.de>...
>>
>> > Have you no pride or self-respect? I don't give a fuck what you
>think
>> > about Laura or who did what to whom first. If you post shit like
>> > this-- for ANY reason-- don't expect to be seen as anything but
>scum.
>>
>> So you blast Nelson for his obvious distaste for BDSM, and yet
>because
>> she's bisexual and called me -- an out queer -- a jock sniffing,
>> urinal licking faggot with a gerbil up my ass, I should just let her
>> alone and accept that she's part of the community? Ummm, no, I
>don't
>> think so. Homophobia is homophobia, one shouldn't have to put up
>with
>> that crap within the community, just as we don't put up with it
>> outside of our community.
>
>I don't care what motivations you want to attribute to me, make up
>stories in your own time. I am sick of the personal attacks on this
>newsgroup.
Then it's Killfile:30, I'd say.
> Flames, bitches, and the occasional jaw-breaking slap are
>one thing, initiating a post to harass another user is going to far.
>Its been going on for a while now, and has been done by more than one
>person. I don't condone any of these instances, but I am sick of them
>and decided to speak up about this time.
So, you decided to FAN the flames, as opposed to posting on-topic
stuff, and ignoring the bad threads? Good going.
>
>If you felt a message was homophobic you could report it to the
>person's ISP, address the issue on the newsgroup, or just walk away.
>If you instead decide to start a thread for your personal vendetta you
>deserve no sympathy and will get none form me. Now go play "cry baby"
>elsewhere.
>
>> Obviously you do give a fuck who's at it, because here you are
>trying
>> to tell us what you think of it, in the hopes of getting the last
>word
>> in on it.
>
>Grow up.
>
PKB
-LMB
Laura Goodwin: Proud Bigot:
"Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking FAGGOT."
said Laura goodwin in post Message-ID: <3EBE8496...@lauragoodwin.org> - then proclaimed her pride in her bigotry
with "Laura Goodwin - That's my name, and I stand by every word I ever posted. I am not ashamed: I am proud of myself, and of my whole life."
in message: Message-ID: <3EC852D1...@lauragoodwin.org>
Ace of Spades in the NG Evil Cabal pack of cards!
Merrick Baldelli
message news:<bb5loa$625bg$1...@ID-148573.news.dfncis.de>...
> I don't care what motivations you want to attribute to me, make up
> stories in your own time. I am sick of the personal attacks on this
> newsgroup. Flames, bitches, and the occasional jaw-breaking slap are
> one thing, initiating a post to harass another user is going to far.
Uh-huh.. You said that you had a killfilter, I would strongly suggest
you use it. As for the harrassment issue, I'll be touching upon that
in a moment in the split out message that you decided on creating in
order to prove some point.
> Its been going on for a while now, and has been done by more than one
> person. I don't condone any of these instances, but I am sick of them
> and decided to speak up about this time.
> If you felt a message was homophobic you could report it to the
> person's ISP, address the issue on the newsgroup, or just walk away.
I have so, and will again touch upon in in your OT message that you
decided on splitting out of here as well.
> If you instead decide to start a thread for your personal vendetta you
> deserve no sympathy and will get none form me. Now go play "cry baby"
> elsewhere.
I'm thinking of a number between one and one hundred. Can you tell me
what it is?
> Grow up.
PKB
Merrick Baldelli
> Wrong. See section 2d. of the Acceptable Use Policy at
> http://www.earthlink.net/about/policies/use/, for example. Most ISPs
> have one or more versions of this. You posted a thread for the sole
> propose of harassment, using quotes from previous sources, all to
> attack another poster. Aren't you a nice guy.
Your vision is myopic. And your attempt to play netkop exposed,
especially when you consider the following timeline:
----
Message-ID: <3EBE8496...@lauragoodwin.org> from ToolPackinMoma
Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:12:51 GMT
Merrick Baldelli wrote:
> Oh so this is going to be the new excuse for your Loopy Loo
> messages that seem semi-sane in one message, and freakishly netkooky
> in the next 20 minutes later??
Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking
FAGGOT.
----
Message-ID: <90ifcvkt5ovg7iqsv...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 18:31:11 GMT
On Sun, 11 May 2003 17:12:51 GMT, ToolPackinMama
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>
>> Oh so this is going to be the new excuse for your Loopy Loo
>> messages that seem semi-sane in one message, and freakishly
netkooky
>> in the next 20 minutes later??
>
>Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
>that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking
FAGGOT.
Can we say, oopsie --> X-Complaints-To: ab...@attbi.com
You are aware this is a TOS'able offense with AT&T Net??
Consider yourself TOS'd
---
Of which it generated from her the following threads after the
announcement of the TOS'ing:
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Merrick, question for ya from ~Laura Goodwin~ (Re: Still
proud...neener, neener (Re: My name is Laura Goodwin))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
Date: 2003-05-18 15:50:45 PST
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Merrick Baldelli... paging Merrick Baldelli... (Re: My name
is Laura Goodwin (Re: OT: usenet oddities rant))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, alt.startrek
Date: 2003-05-18 15:53:42 PST
---
Elapsed time 3 minutes
---
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Hey Merrick, slutboy Louis Brown is picking fights for you...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, alt.tv.star-trek.tos
Date: 2003-05-22 19:10:34 PST
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Pehaps I was unclear before about Merrick Baldelli
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, alt.startrek
Date: 2003-05-22 19:27:11 PST
---
Elapsed time, 17 minutes
---
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Hey Merrick, slutboy Ta' is fighting fights for you... Re:
Hey Merrick, slutboy Louis Brown is picking fights for you...
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, alt.tv.star-trek.tos
Date: 2003-05-22 19:46:28 PST
---
Elapsed time, 36 minutes from first message and 19 minutes from second
message.
---
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Re: Perhaps I was unclear before about Merrick Baldelli
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
Date: 2003-05-22 19:47:23 PST
---
Elapsed time 55 SECONDS.
---
This testimonial for which you're complaining about as "harrassing
came:
Message-ID: <pet7dvgp3rsecbnhk...@4ax.com>
NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:00:00 PDT
----
Now if we're to include the messages with Goodwin's name in it in this
timeframe:
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Still proud...neener, neener (Re: My name is Laura Goodwin)
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, alt.startrek
Date: 2003-05-18 15:33:19 PST
From: Cotton Candy Ass Ta' (tat...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Laura Goodwin, EXPOSED! Re: [OT] Ok, that's it.
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
Date: 2003-05-20 13:12:07 PST
From: ToolPackinMama (la...@lauragoodwin.org)
Subject: Re: Still proud...neener, neener (Re: My name is Laura
Goodwin))
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
Date: 2003-05-20 20:13:03 PST
From: Cotton Candy Ass Ta' (tat...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Big Ta' declares SPNAK on Laura Goodwin (was: Re: Perhaps I
was unclear before about Merrick Baldelli
Newsgroups: alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise
Date: 2003-05-22 19:54:21 PST
----
Bottom Line: You are going to be hard pressed to prove my message was
harrassment considering who's been going out of their way to harrass.
> The only thing was that scum is scum claiming innocence.
It's never pretty when someone's having an episode of netkooking and
attempting to Netkop.
The Black Sheep
"Steve Christianson" <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3ED68D...@yahoo.com...
> X-No-Archive: yes
in
> the world to say "I don't care who started it, why don't you BOTH
SHUT
> UP!" when they personally aren't involved in the dispute. It's also
one
> of the most childish. Personal responsibility begins with holding
people
> accountable for their actions and just because you don't have an axe
to
> grind in this fight doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. Don't like it?
> DON'T READ IT. Idiot.
Wow, the irony here....
The Black Sheep
Almost as bad as it gets on Usenet, actually. You can't so much more
in a newsgroup than start threads with the only purpose of personally
attacking someone. I have witnessed one horror-story of someone
tracking down a poster and harassing them at home, mind you, but that
taking things out of the Internet arena entirely.
The Black Sheep
> "The Black Sheep" <usen...@NOSPAM.theblacksheep.ws> bleated in
> message news:<bb5lck$5ttpm$1...@ID-148573.news.dfncis.de>...
>
> > Wrong. See section 2d. of the Acceptable Use Policy at
> > http://www.earthlink.net/about/policies/use/, for example. Most
ISPs
> > have one or more versions of this. You posted a thread for the
sole
> > propose of harassment, using quotes from previous sources, all to
> > attack another poster. Aren't you a nice guy.
>
> Your vision is myopic. And your attempt to play netkop exposed,
> especially when you consider the following timeline:
I don't care who started. You went too far, you pissed me off, I told
you off for it. Its happened to other people before, so don't feel
special. Live with it or kill-filter me.
Call me netcop if you want, in this case it fits and I feel fine with
it. Would you like the incident number from Earthlink.net's abuse
dept? If so e-mail me, as I will soon return you to the kill-filter,
permanently this time.
The Black Sheep
> The Black Sheep <usen...@nospam.theblacksheep.ws> wrote:
>
> : I don't care what motivations you want to attribute to me, make up
> : stories in your own time. I am sick of the personal attacks on
this
> : newsgroup. Flames, bitches, and the occasional jaw-breaking slap
are
> : one thing, initiating a post to harass another user is going to
far.
>
> I'm curious to know what you consider so very different between
flaming
> someone in an existing thread and flaming someone in a
brand-spanking-new
> thread? Why is one "one thing" and the other "going too far"?
I allow that tempers can get heated, and people take things
personally, in the course of a conversation. Starting a thread for
this reason is, to me, taking things one big step further since it is
not a reply to any specific message but posted just to be an ass.
> : Its been going on for a while now, and has been done by more than
one
> : person. I don't condone any of these instances, but I am sick of
them
> : and decided to speak up about this time.
>
> : If you felt a message was homophobic you could report it to the
> : person's ISP,
>
> Not everyone is a netKKKopping crybaby.
Is a person does not chose to address in issue through proper channels
that is their choice, and they did have to live with it. In other
words, no points bitching about it later.
> You mean, like you've just walked away from the flamage you don't
like
> reading?
At one point recently I had half the threads in this newsgroup marked
as "ignore". That doesn't always work, for example this conversation
is split in at least three threads (one my server, anyway). This time
I called the originator on the unacceptable behaviour. I have done so
before, as well.
> : If you instead decide to start a thread for your personal vendetta
you
> : deserve no sympathy and will get none form me.
>
> Isn't this now *your* vendetta? Or are you the only one who's
allowed to
> be "sick of" something and "speak up this time"? Are you beginning
to see
> the faintest glimmer of a double standard here?
I am a firm believer in double-standards, and have said so many times
before. I have no problems with that.
I also believe that holding people to some standard of public
behaviour is required to keep some civility in forums. I hope
everyone reports incidents of gross abuse to ISPs. Reporting an
incident is no guarantee anything will be done (in fact it usually
isn't), or even that one *wants* something to be done in that specific
case. It does mean, however, that if a user has a pattern of
behaviour the ISP will eventually get enough complaints to address the
issue, and the user will be held responsible for the behaviour.
For some reason people think they are free of all blame or
responsibility for their behaviour when on-line. If you tell them
otherwise they call you names, or start crying about "free speech".
Yet all ISPs have policies governing use, and those policies form part
of the contract that user has with his/her ISP. I report people to
their ISP about 3 times a year, usually the trolls doing fly-by
homophobic/sexist/racist rants. I want people to be held responsible
for their behaviour, you see, and no amount of bitching about "those
damned trolls" will do more than use up more bandwidth.
> : Grow up.
>
> "Mr Kettle? Mr Kettle? There's a Mr Pot here wanting to speak to you
about
> something..."
Around 24 or so I decided never to grow up, and have since proceeded
to undo some of the damage already done. Happy you noticed, thanks
for the compliment. The first "adult" behaviour I shed was this habit
people have of not wanting to be held responsible for their actions,
e.g. "she did it first/made me do it..."
Merrick Baldelli
> Well, if nothing else, I owe Laura a bit of thanks for changing your
> focus from my "perceptions" to something completely unrelated.
Actually, it looks as though I forgot about this message... Let me
respond to it now before I forget again.
Derek --
While it may have seemed at the beginning to look like it was going to
go bad between us, that was one of my standard litmus tests to
determine one's intelligence and wisdom. Because you pass on several
occassion of my personal "testing", I immensely enjoyed chatting with
you when it came to perceptsions and preconceptions during the threads
involving the Cogenitor, and Borg chats during Regurgitation, errr, I
mean Regeneration and Homosexuality and Sociology. While I would have
enjoyed continuing to talk with you on these subjects, work made it
impossible at one point to cut through the approximately 1,000+ unread
posts so I had to pull a "read all" several times in the time between
then and now, therby killing most of the conversations I was involved
in.
I actually look forward to "sparring" with you again in the near
future when the show finally comes back on the air, or whether or not
you decide to join a chat someplace else within the newsgroup that's
on or off topic.
Looking Forward,
Merrick B.
Merrick Baldelli
<usen...@NOSPAM.theblacksheep.ws> wrote:
>I don't care who started.
I think you do actually. Considering what I found on Google.
>You went too far, you pissed me off, I told you off for it.
Seems to me that you have some sort of protected interest in
this, considering that some of the messages that I grabbed on Loopy
Loo had originated from alt.polyamory. Heaven forbid people find out
you're gay *AND* polyamorous.
>Its happened to other people before, so don't feel special.
>Live with it or kill-filter me.
<Xander> Drama Queen much? </Xander>
By the way, this is rather interesting. On 04/11/2003 in
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=b760jj%24bfi7m%241%40ID-148573.news.dfncis.de
with Message-ID: <b760jj$bfi7m$1...@ID-148573.news.dfncis.de> you said:
>>I also want to make it clear I'm idiot-filtering you and you attitude.
>>As I've told a few others this morning, I'm sick of wasting time with
>>assholes.
Now seeing that I haven't changed my e-mail since then (unlike
you who changed e-mail addresses in about a year's time), it makes me
wonder whether or not it's you that's harassing me, seeing that you
pulled me out of a killfilter only to have to put me back in.
Especially seeing the licking you got in not one, but two threads
involved with the invasion of Iraq.
In-out-in-out-in... Earthlink doesn't like getting
harrassment reports from people that use a killfilter this
selectively. They generally think the person unstable, or has vested
interest in harrassment. And your posting to Steve on how your
killfile works will discredit your report, if they actually get around
to considering it a legitimate complaint.
>Would you like the incident number from Earthlink.net's abuse
>dept? If so e-mail me, as I will soon return you to the kill-filter,
>permanently this time.
Nah, that's alright. I can wait patiently for the TOS to show
up in my inbox, that way I can refute it with proof of who's harassing
who.
Patiently Waiting,
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Pahsons - Somnolent
> I
You are so owned
--
"If you can't change a tire, you're not allowed to have a beard. It's the
most basic part of a car: If you don't know that much about a car, you
really shouldn't be driving, should you?" - Jimmy Kimmel
Pahsons - Somnolent
> I report people to
> their ISP
Netkkkkkkkop
The Black Sheep
"Merrick Baldelli" <Snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:41aidvcudmvhlqnua...@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 May 2003 12:20:10 -0400, "The Black Sheep"
> <usen...@NOSPAM.theblacksheep.ws> wrote:
>
> >I don't care who started.
>
> I think you do actually. Considering what I found on Google.
>
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=alt.polyamory&as_uauthors=blacks...@hotmail.com&lr=&hl=en
>
> >You went too far, you pissed me off, I told you off for it.
>
> Seems to me that you have some sort of protected interest in
> this, considering that some of the messages that I grabbed on Loopy
> Loo had originated from alt.polyamory. Heaven forbid people find
out
> you're gay *AND* polyamorous.
Always been open about that, try again. (Hint: I have been out and
open as gay, poly, into kink/BDSM, pagan, and childfree for over a
decade, everyone knows, its been mentioned on this newsgroup, so no
one will be impressed by your "research".
> By the way, this is rather interesting. On 04/11/2003 in
>
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=b760jj%24bfi7m%241%40ID-148573.news.dfncis.de
> with Message-ID: <b760jj$bfi7m$1...@ID-148573.news.dfncis.de> you said:
>
> >>I also want to make it clear I'm idiot-filtering you and you
attitude.
> >>As I've told a few others this morning, I'm sick of wasting time
with
> >>assholes.
>
> Now seeing that I haven't changed my e-mail since then (unlike
> you who changed e-mail addresses in about a year's time), it makes
me
> wonder whether or not it's you that's harassing me, seeing that you
> pulled me out of a killfilter only to have to put me back in.
> Especially seeing the licking you got in not one, but two threads
> involved with the invasion of Iraq.
See message to Stevie.
> In-out-in-out-in... Earthlink doesn't like getting
> harrassment reports from people that use a killfilter this
> selectively. They generally think the person unstable, or has
vested
> interest in harrassment. And your posting to Steve on how your
> killfile works will discredit your report, if they actually get
around
> to considering it a legitimate complaint.
Don't worry, this was your last chance.
Gisele La Roche
Hey Black Sheep email me at gisele...@yahoo.com I tried emailing
you but your email doesn't work. I took out the NOSPAM but it still
didn't work.
The Black Sheep
"Gisele La Roche" <gisele...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns938D84039629Agi...@66.185.95.104...
> Hey Black Sheep email me at gisele...@yahoo.com I tried
emailing
> you but your email doesn't work. I took out the NOSPAM but it still
> didn't work.
My posted e-mail should work if you remove "NOSPAM." I'll check the
mail settings and do a test. (Did you leave the '.' in after NOSPAM?)
Gisele La Roche
I think so. I emailed your other address so...
The Black Sheep
Got it, thanks (and replied), and the posted address worked fine for
me. Strange. I could just set up *.theblacksheep.ws, but that would
defeat the purpose of being able to kill spam-ridden e-mail accounts.
Louis M. Brown
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>"Louis M. Brown" wrote:
>
>> Laura Goodwin: Proud Bigot:
>>
>> "Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
>> that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking FAGGOT."
>> said Laura goodwin in post Message-ID: <3EBE8496...@lauragoodwin.org> - then proclaimed her pride in her bigotry
>> with "Laura Goodwin - That's my name, and I stand by every word I ever posted. I am not ashamed: I am proud of myself, and of my whole life."
>> in message: Message-ID: <3EC852D1...@lauragoodwin.org>
>>
>> Ace of Spades in the NG Evil Cabal pack of cards!
>
>Louis Brown: Proud psycho bully stalker and harasser.
You do realize that you're whining about a SIG that is made up of
mostly YOUR words, right?
-LMB
Laura Goodwin: Proud Bigot:
"Pull the hamster out of your ass, look me right in the eyes, and say
that again, you jockstrap sniffing, urinal licking, cock-sucking FAGGOT."
Merrick Baldelli
> > Seems to me that you have some sort of protected interest in
> > this, considering that some of the messages that I grabbed on Loopy
> > Loo had originated from alt.polyamory.
>
> Always been open about that, try again. (Hint: I have been out and
> open as gay, poly, into kink/BDSM, pagan, and childfree for over a
> decade, everyone knows, its been mentioned on this newsgroup, so no
> one will be impressed by your "research".
That's the sound of the kloo passing overhead at the speed of sound.
I deleted the bait I placed in the paragraph in order for you to see
the hook. Read it again.
> See message to Stevie.
Saw it, and responded to it, bu the way in the comment below.
> > In-out-in-out-in... Earthlink doesn't like getting
> > harrassment reports from people that use a killfilter this
> > selectively. They generally think the person unstable, or has
> > vested interest in harrassment. And your posting to Steve on how your
> > killfile works will discredit your report, if they actually get
> > around to considering it a legitimate complaint.
>
> Don't worry, this was your last chance.
Still waiting patiently for that to happen, by the way.
The Highlander (aka Gordon)
> "Prima" <shre...@godawful.zzn.comMUNISTS!> wrote
Sad? Sad is the fact that she's done it here twice and we still haven't
managed to get her to move on. Sad is the fact that you don't even have to
google search to find the pattern. Sad is the fact that it's probably not
even "accidental". Sad is the possibility that she thrives on all of this
and the whole thing is just a big turn on for her. Sad is the possibility
that as with other groups that thrive on publicity the worst thing anyone
can do is to kill file her ass and ignore her.Sad is the fact that after
however long it is since I last posted here, this crap is still going on and
had been going on for nearly two years when I stopped reading. That's sad.
Now, back to life.
Laura Goodwin AKA ToolPackinMama
> Sad? Sad is the fact that she's done it here twice and we still haven't
> managed to get her to move on.
:)
Losers
:)
Ruediger LANDMANN
: I have witnessed one horror-story of someone
: tracking down a poster and harassing them at home, mind you, but that
: taking things out of the Internet arena entirely.
There are plenty of stories of people taking things out into real life.
I've even been on the receiving end of a minor instance once - most
distasteful.
See, that's what I would call harrassment. Just pulling together some
miscreant's own words and posting them up for all to see is just not in
the same league.
Ruediger LANDMANN
: I allow that tempers can get heated, and people take things
: personally, in the course of a conversation. Starting a thread for
: this reason is, to me, taking things one big step further since it is
: not a reply to any specific message but posted just to be an ass.
In this case it's more like a reply to Laura's entire corpus of work,
spread over several newsgroups and several years.
: Is a person does not chose to address in issue through proper channels
: that is their choice, and they did have to live with it. In other
: words, no points bitching about it later.
You mean "proper channels" as *you* define them?
:> You mean, like you've just walked away from the flamage you don't
: like
:> reading?
: At one point recently I had half the threads in this newsgroup marked
: as "ignore". That doesn't always work, for example this conversation
: is split in at least three threads (one my server, anyway). This time
: I called the originator on the unacceptable behaviour. I have done so
: before, as well.
OK - so you haven't walked away. But you expect and demand others to?
: I am a firm believer in double-standards, and have said so many times
: before. I have no problems with that.
Fine. Just so as you don't expect anyone to take you seriously while you
advocate one standard of behaviour for "the masses" and an entirely
different one for yourself.
: For some reason people think they are free of all blame or
: responsibility for their behaviour when on-line. If you tell them
: otherwise they call you names, or start crying about "free speech".
: Yet all ISPs have policies governing use, and those policies form part
: of the contract that user has with his/her ISP. I report people to
: their ISP about 3 times a year, usually the trolls doing fly-by
: homophobic/sexist/racist rants. I want people to be held responsible
: for their behaviour, you see, and no amount of bitching about "those
: damned trolls" will do more than use up more bandwidth.
You're such a hero. I bet you were hall monitor once. Did it make you
proud?
: Around 24 or so I decided never to grow up, and have since proceeded
: to undo some of the damage already done. Happy you noticed, thanks
: for the compliment. The first "adult" behaviour I shed was this habit
: people have of not wanting to be held responsible for their actions,
: e.g. "she did it first/made me do it..."
Save it for Oprah.
The Black Sheep
May be not the same league, but close enough. I personally know what
its like when every last message you post, over a period of weeks, is
replied to by a specific person and used as a personal attack. (NOTE:
I am not accusing Merrick of this specific behaviour).
Regardless of what one person thinks about another, "just pulling
together some miscreant's words and posting them" is an attack, a post
done for the only reason of attacking one other person, and pretty
much as low as one can descend on-line. There is no excuse for this,
none at all. The sort of scum who resort to this, along with
name-calling and character assassination, deserve no respect
whatsoever. The only thing they accomplish is proving how little
honour they have, and nearly prove themselves deserving of whatever
injustice they claim "made them" do this.
I know Merrick was not the first to start a personal-attack thread.
For a combination of reasons I felt this one was worse than most,
although on a few occasions I made it clear I did not condone other
similar threads. Behaviour as extreme as Merrick's puts him at the
Usenet equivalent of a wife beater who claims "the bitch deserved it".
I normally have a rule about not discussing people in the third
person, particularly people I have filtered, but in this case it would
be clear who I meant even if I used non-specific words, and I really
don't care much how that he feels. Who knows, he may actually have
enough human ability to care to feel some guilt after reading my
words.
Its no secret that I can be an asshole myself. It is no secret that I
am opinionated, argumentative, and get very passionate and
in-your-face about some debates. It is no secret that I think most
people are idiots, and that said people insist on proving it. (Just
in case Merrick gets all cloak-and-dagger again, it is also no secret
that I am gay, ployamorous, into heavy kink/BDSM/leather/edge play,
neo-pagan, a radical lefty, anti-American, etc.) Despite what some
like to think, I am not deliberately being a hypocrite here. I do
feel that there exists a group of people on this newsgroup whose
primary reason for posting is to be mean, nasty, assholes. They get
off on picking on members they see as weak, odd, different, or somehow
deserving of abuse. They have not outgrown grade-school bully tactics
(although they were most likely the bully's victims as kids) and
resort to childish excuses like "she started it" or "she's a kook",
other name calling, claims that others are "running away", and other
such immature behaviour. These people seem to *enjoy* this despite
the pain they may be causing others, or perhaps because of it.
There are two things that can make a newsgroup worse than useless.
One is a 2:1 spam to posts ratio. The other is a group of regular
"contributors" using the group as their personal gladiatorial arena.
As stated previously I had, at one point, more threads marked "ignore"
due to being flame-wars than threads I was reading. This from someone
who enjoys flame-wars- within reason, and this is past all reason. I
can, therefore, either take a stance against this behaviour or I can
leave the group. For now I have decided against leaving, which means
I will speak against the gross abusive behaviour, will have to
"behave" a bit more than I might want to, and will be called
"netKKKop" by some of the more immature posters.
Now, there is a very good chance I may leave anyway. We won't have a
new Enterprise episode for months, I may be too busy to read the group
(I already barely have time to skim it most days), and I may yet give
up in complete disgust. We'll see.
Now this post will no doubt see many replies. Some will do the
pot/kettle thing (go up three paragraphs first, please). Some will
resort to the same type of childish name-calling I mentioned above (up
two paragraphs), and things will go downhill from there. If nothing
else the replies will show me who else I need to kill-filter in order
to have an enjoyable (if sometimes very heated) newsgroup.
Robin who else?
> RWF wrote:
>
> > wow, I just wanted to mention that you obviously put a lot of work and
> > research into this, Merrick
>
> Yeah, and it's a complete waste of his netkook time, because the truth
> is I changed my nick simply because I felt like it. I have been using
> la...@lauragoodwin.org as my email address all along, so obviously there
> was never any attempt to hide who I am. I'm not ashamed of who I am. I
> like who I am. Just because their are assholes all over the net doesn't
> change that fact.
>
> I am Laura Goodwin, and I have never been ashamed of it, and I have
> never tried to hide it, and that's a fact.
I always wondered where pink lemonade comes from. I mean, why is it
pink? I don't remember seeing any pink lemons, do you?
Robin who else?
> Merrick can netkook with the best of them, just like Gisele said. He's
> a bully and worse, just like I said.
I always thought men looked strange wearing bathing caps. I've been
at pools where everyone has to wear a bathing cap. What if a man is
bald; does he still have to wear a cap?
ANIM8Rfsk
<< Behaviour as extreme as Merrick's puts him at the
Usenet equivalent of a wife beater who claims "the bitch deserved it". >>
If we're talking about Laura Goodwin, destroyer of newsgroups, that's certainly
a valid defense.
___________
Don't just put QWest out of business -
put the people in charge in jail. Now.
Be sure to visit www.tsewQ.com
Stiiv
else?) wrote:
>What if a man is bald; does he still have to wear a cap?
Yes, but not on his head.
Stiiv
Piper
"Robin who else?" <msrobi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:685a266d.03060...@posting.google.com...
> I always wondered where pink lemonade comes from. I mean, why is it
> pink? I don't remember seeing any pink lemons, do you?
It has to do with a certain weed that was used to make a drink sold at
county fairs. The weed was inexpensive (as in free), grew everywhere, and
when made into a drink it produced a pink liquid that tasted exactly like
(say it with me) lemonade! It has been some time since I learned this
tidbit & I have forgotten the plant used but I hope this information helps.
--
Piper
The Seven of Diamonds, Evil Trek Cabal
Piper
"Robin who else?" <msrobi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:685a266d.03060...@posting.google.com...
> I always thought men looked strange wearing bathing caps. I've been
> at pools where everyone has to wear a bathing cap. What if a man is
> bald; does he still have to wear a cap?
Equality of the sexes. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
:)