Jerry Ryan in SEX CLUBS!
Jethro Tull
his Divorce Pleadings were unsealed and revealed that the and his 7 of 9
Actress Wife used to visit Sex Clubs where they were swingers, and engaged
in Orgies or 3-way sex and bi-sexual escapades. Too bad there were no photos
filed.
Night_Spirit
called out to us
No Jeri Ryan refused to perform.
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Regards
Night Spirit
Jethro Tull
>
Do you have any story links? You would think a guy who was lucky enough to
be married to her might be able to concentrate ON JUST HER! I know I would
be dedicated to her.
Night_Spirit
called out to us
Ok here is a link
http://www.kmox.com/news/article.php?id=13529
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Regards
Night Spirit
Karen Chuplis
Tull at jdmaie...@aol.com wrote on 6/26/04 8:19AM:
<rolls eyes> Can you READ?? Try going to cnn.com. Take an adult with you to
translate.
Brenda
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> > Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress
>
>
> having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE for
> office;
No. But attempts to force her into public or group sex might.
>
> but having sex with someone OTHER than your wife, in the OVAL OFFICE, does
> NOT warrant any consequences.
Night_Spirit
out to us
Well at least the repugs are being consistence.
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Night Spirit
stephen voss
> "Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
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>
>
>
>
> having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE for
> office;
>
> NOT warrant any consequences.
Um yeah...
Theres a difference between a CANDIDATE trying to make his wife
have sex with him in a SWINGERS club in front of other people
versus an INCUMBENT not up for reelection fooling around on his wife.
Adultery is far more common and banal than sexual exhibitionism.
Ryan like Gary Hart would have been okay had he not LIED about it as
a CANDIDATE.
Clinton did not lie about it as a candidate, he went on 60 minutes and
gave a vague answer that satisified most people "marital difficulties"
that adequaterly covered most past indiscretions.
Where Clinton got in trouble in 1997 is that he didnt give
a bare minimum admission that would have been legally satisfactory
but kept the gory details out of the press.
stephen voss
Johnny Lingo
but she REFUSED!
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0622041ryans1.html
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Schmedley
Get over it.
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> "Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
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> > Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress
>
> So let me get this straight:
>
> having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE for
> office;
>
EvilBill
What I'd like to know is why the hell a person's sex life has the
slightest thing whatsoever to do with their political career. Shouldn't
a person's marriage be *their* business?
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stephen voss
>
> What I'd like to know is why the hell a person's sex life has the
> slightest thing whatsoever to do with their political career. Shouldn't
> a person's marriage be *their* business?
>
Its only really news if they lie about it.
Gary Harts problem is that he lied about it not that he did it.
David Johnston
wrote:
>Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress when
>his Divorce Pleadings were unsealed and revealed that the and his 7 of 9
>Actress Wife used to visit Sex Clubs where they were swingers, and engaged
>in Orgies or 3-way sex and bi-sexual escapades.
No they weren't and they didn't.
David Johnston
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>"Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
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>> Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress
>
>So let me get this straight:
>
>having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE for
>office;
No. Trying to pressure your wife into having public sex with her in
an S&M club reduces your chance of getting elected as a
family values Republican to the point that the party wants
to ditch you.
Al Smith
> slightest thing whatsoever to do with their political career. Shouldn't
> a person's marriage be *their* business?
I love hearing that Jeri Ryan was into kinky sex. It fits in so
well with her catsuited, dominatrix image from "Voyager." I
haven't been this perked up since reading a transcript of the
Alyson Hannigan interview with Howard Stern.
Brenda
"Al Smith" <inv...@address.com> wrote in message
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Well. sorry to disappoint you but she wasn't. The separation
occurred in part because she didn't want to go to the sex clubs and perform
liked a trained poodle for Ryan and his friends.
David Johnston
wrote:
>> What I'd like to know is why the hell a person's sex life has the
>> slightest thing whatsoever to do with their political career. Shouldn't
>> a person's marriage be *their* business?
>
>I love hearing that Jeri Ryan was into kinky sex.
You love it so much you'll do your best to overlook
the fact that according to the actual story he was into
kinky sex and she was unwilling.
greg brown
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> "ArchieLeach" <ca...@grant.com> wrote in message
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> > "Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
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> >
> > > Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for
Congress
> >
> > So let me get this straight:
> >
> > having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE
for
> > office;
>
> No. But attempts to force her into public or group sex might.
>
I didn't read anything about him attempting to "force" her to do anything.
Greg
EvilBill
But why should they have to talk about it in the first place? Their sex
life should have no bearing on their fitness for office, surely?
Samantha
Let's try this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&ncid=716&e=13&u=/nm/2004
0626/pl_nm/campaign_illinois_dc
Sex Scandal Brings Down Senate Candidate
Sat Jun 26, 1:57 AM ET
By Andrew Stern
CHICAGO (Reuters) - Republican candidate Jack Ryan quit the race for a U.S.
Senate seat in Illinois on Friday, in a blow to his party, amid allegations
that he took his television star wife to clubs and asked her to have sex
with him in front of strangers.
AP Photo
Slideshow: Candidate Jack Ryan and Ex-Wife Jeri Ryan
His decision left Republicans with an even tougher challenge in their effort
to hold onto the seat being vacated by Republican Sen. Peter Fitzgerald.
Democrats already have been counting on taking it back in the battle for
control of the Senate, where Republicans now hold only 51 out of 100 seats.
Republican leaders said Ryan had misled them earlier into thinking his
divorce records, unsealed just days ago, contained nothing embarrassing.
In a written statement, Ryan blasted the Chicago Tribune and other media for
suing to have his sealed divorce records made public, saying "the media has
gotten out of control."
"It's clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not
take place if I remain in the race," he said.
"What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign -- the
kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I
refuse to play. Accordingly, I am today withdrawing from the race."
MADE MILLIONS
The withdrawal of Ryan, 44, who made millions as a partner at Goldman Sachs
and then quit investment banking to spend three years teaching at a Chicago
inner-city school, leaves the Republicans grasping for a suitable candidate
to take on the favorite, Democratic State Sen. Barack Obama.
Before the revelations about his divorce, Ryan had trailed far behind Obama
in public opinion polls.
"I am confident the party will select a candidate who will unite Republicans
throughout this state and quickly launch a winning campaign based on
substantive issues," U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Dennis Hastert
said in a statement.
"Jack Ryan made the right decision. I know it must have been a difficult
one," said Hastert, a fellow Illinois Republican.
Ryan had stood by an earlier denial of the accusations by his ex-wife,
actress Jeri Ryan, who has had roles on the TV series "Boston Public (news -
web sites)" and "Star Trek: Voyager (news - web sites)." Four years ago,
Ryan had termed the allegations "smut" used as a lever in the couple's child
custody dispute.
Earlier this week when it appeared he might remain in the race, he said
other politicians had done worse than proposition their own wives.
Both Ryan and Obama are telegenic, youthful candidates who had graduated
from Harvard Law School -- Ryan also had a degree from Harvard Business
School.
If Obama wins, he would become the senate's only black member and the third
black in the chamber in the past century.
A 19-member committee of Republicans will choose a candidate to replace
Ryan, who beat seven rivals in the March primary. Among the names being
bandied about to be the party's candidate in November were former Republican
governors Jim Edgar and James Thompson, though neither have expressed
interest, party sources said.
Brenda
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She used the word "insisted" and stated she did not want to go.
Semantics?
http://www.thetimesonline.com/articles/2004/06/25/news/local_illinois/24460e3becedcbab86256ebd0073bb03.txt
> Greg
>
>
>
Brenda
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'Star Trek' Star's Claims Damage Senate Campaign
Jeri Ryan Made Claims In Divorce Filing
POSTED: 11:38 am CDT June 23, 2004
UPDATED: 11:40 am CDT June 23, 2004
FORT WORTH, Texas -- An Illinois Senate candidate's campaign is in trouble
after his ex-wife, "Star Trek" star Jeri Ryan, claimed he dragged her into
sex clubs equipped with whips and cages.
The records detail Jeri Ryan's allegations that Ryan pressured her to go to
sex clubs complete with whips and cages.
The "Boston Public" and "Star Trek: Voyager" actress said she angered Ryan
by refusing to have sex in clubs while others watched.
Jeri Ryan charged during a custody hearing that Jack Ryan took her on
surprise trips to New Orleans, New York and Paris in 1998, and that he
insisted she go to sex clubs with him on each trip. She said that after
going out to dinner with Ryan in New York, he demanded that she go to a club
with him.
"It was a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging from
the ceiling," she said.
She said Ryan asked her to perform a sexual act while others watched, and
she refused. She said they left and Ryan apologized to her and said it was
out of his system.
But then, she said, he took her to Paris and again took her to a sex club.
She said she cried and became physically ill at the club, and her husband
got angry with her. She said she could never get over that incident.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
John Smith
"David Johnston" <rgorma...@telusplanet.net> wrote in message
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Elvis Gump
The Smoking Gun has the court docs. Pity few seem to have actually read
them.
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0622041ryans1.html
But then even if she wasn't into kinky sex what was she thinking marrying
that scumbag?
--
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If that's too soon, leave in a minute and a huff."
-- Groucho Marx
David Johnston
<elvi...@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>
>But then even if she wasn't into kinky sex what was she thinking marrying
>that scumbag?
Yeah that's right. Every guy reveals all of his sexual quirks to the
woman he marries before the marriage. No woman has ever been
surprised and put off by some fantasy her husband only revealed
to her later.
W. Blaine Dowler
> But why should they have to talk about it in the first place? Their sex
> life should have no bearing on their fitness for office, surely?
In most jobs, I'd agree with you. There may be exceptions for the people
running the country, though; I'm electing people I believe will make the
kinds of decisions I'd make in their position. If they indicate that their
morals and decisions are very different than mine, then there's a problem.
Personally, I think the problem is best solved by not voting for that
person again, but others want more immediate action.
In Clinton's case, well, I really had no say since I'm Canadian, but I'd
have wanted him out when he committed purgery by lying about it while under
oath. That shows a complete disrespect for the legal system, which is
dangerous for a man in his position.
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series...
Elvis Gump
rgorma...@telusplanet.net wrote on 06/26/2004 08:02 PM:
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:00:40 -0500, Elvis Gump
> <elvi...@NOhotmailSPAM.com> wrote:
>> But then even if she wasn't into kinky sex what was she thinking marrying
>> that scumbag?
> Yeah that's right. Every guy reveals all of his sexual quirks to the
> woman he marries before the marriage.
So that's why I've never been married! Well, I'll be damned!
> No woman has ever been surprised and put off by some fantasy her husband only
> revealed to her later.
Well, he was a politician after all, a big clue! And an investment banker
before that! Oh to know what's in those censored sentences of the court
documents!
I love the double standard though of watching some Republicans tepidly
defending him. Even looking at Ryan himself on video grinning that he was
only guilty of propositioning his wife was priceless!
Well, I guess we shouldn't feel too sorry for him, he'll land on his feet
with diamonds on the soles of his shoes someplace since part of the
documents details he has at least half of $40mil in stocks, half of which it
seems to indicate Jeri was asking to walk away with. Heck for that much
money I might have blown him myself.
Maybe it'll even give Jeri's career a bit of a boost. I'm sure every schlock
movie she's ever made will pop up on cable and DVD with her name prominently
displayed.
I gotta say though the most disappointing thing so far is that we don't have
ToolPackingMama chiming in on this one!
What do you wanna bet a thinly veiled version of this story but with some
bizarre homicide leads one of the "Law & Order" shows this fall?
--
"I always had a repulsive need to be something more than human."
-- David Bowie
David Johnston
<johnNOS...@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote:
>Was it an S&M club? I thought it was just swinging?
There were several clubs. One of them at least had an S&M interior
decorator.
geoff
That is why they say us guys think with our schlongs. Some of these chicks,
once you get in their head, are really messed up.
-g
"Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Night_Spirit" > > No Jeri Ryan refused to perform.
> >
> Do you have any story links? You would think a guy who was lucky enough to
> be married to her might be able to concentrate ON JUST HER! I know I
would
> be dedicated to her.
>
>
David Johnston
<stevechristians*n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>OK...I gotta say that what I see here, if these allegations are true, is
>a guy who took his lawfully wedded wife to legal establishments (I'm
>assuming the New York, New Orleans and Paris, known for liberality,
>permit such clubs) and asked her for consensual sex. When she refused,
>he backed off. Ummm...other than being rather lurid, where's the
>problem?
Being rather lurid is the problem. Particularly for a Republican.
Andrew Murray
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
the Senate....
"Jack" Ryan is her husband? isn't Jack Ryan a movie character - Sum of all
Fears, Clear & Present Danager, Patriot games and The Hunt for Red October
(Clancy novels).
Brenda
"Steve Christianson" <stevechristians*n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: yes
> a guy who took his lawfully wedded wife to legal establishments (I'm
> assuming the New York, New Orleans and Paris, known for liberality,
> permit such clubs) and asked her for consensual sex. When she refused,
> he backed off. Ummm...other than being rather lurid, where's the
> problem?
The problem is he repeated the behavior, became angry when she refused
and try to insist she perform.
EvilBill
What I still don't understand is why a person's private life can't be
*kept* private. I mean, Tony Blair didn't have to give details of his
sex life before becoming leader of the Labour Party!
Mandy Weiner
becoming leader of the Labour Party!
>
hardly made for interesting Governmental Inquiries.
EvilBill
Celibate? Don't think so, he had another kid a few years ago. <g>
Al Smith
> a guy who took his lawfully wedded wife to legal establishments (I'm
> assuming the New York, New Orleans and Paris, known for liberality,
> permit such clubs) and asked her for consensual sex. When she refused,
> he backed off. Ummm...other than being rather lurid, where's the
> problem?
My experience is a lot more limited that Ryan's, I'm betting.
However, in my experience a woman will sometimes be enthusiastic
for unconventional sexual practices with a man when she is deeply
and passionately in love with him, and will encourage him to do
some pretty weird stuff, perhaps believing that it is what he
wants; but after the love cools, suddenly the sexual acts she
found so attractive become disgusting, and she comes up with the
argument that it was the man who enticed or intimidated her into
doing them. Suddenly, he's the bad guy and she's the innocent angel.
This may not be the case with the battling Ryans, but I suspect in
the beginning of their relationship, Jerri wasn't too opposed to
experimenting with unconventional sex. After she decided that her
white knight had feet of clay, she may have changed her attitude.
Al Smith
> life should have no bearing on their fitness for office, surely?
That's the sort of platitude that people mouth without ever
considering the words they are saying. Of course the sex life of a
candidate is a factor in considering his fitness for public office
-- it just depends on what his sex life is. If he's a child
molester, you wouldn't want him running your state, would you? If
he has sex with dogs, chickens, and dead people, you wouldn't want
him for your president, right?
Al Smith
>
>
> That is why they say us guys think with our schlongs. Some of these chicks,
> once you get in their head, are really messed up.
True. It doesn't matter how beautiful a women is ... if she's a
psycho babe, you won't want to be around her very long. I'm not
talking about Jerri Ryan, who seems pretty level headed. I'm just
saying that looks aren't everything, and anybody who thinks they
are has never lived with a beautiful but crazy woman.
John Smith
> My experience is a lot more limited that Ryan's, I'm betting.
> However, in my experience a woman will sometimes be enthusiastic
> for unconventional sexual practices with a man when she is deeply
> and passionately in love with him, and will encourage him to do
> some pretty weird stuff, perhaps believing that it is what he
> wants; but after the love cools, suddenly the sexual acts she
> found so attractive become disgusting, and she comes up with the
> argument that it was the man who enticed or intimidated her into
> doing them. Suddenly, he's the bad guy and she's the innocent angel.
>
> This may not be the case with the battling Ryans, but I suspect in
> the beginning of their relationship, Jerri wasn't too opposed to
> experimenting with unconventional sex. After she decided that her
> white knight had feet of clay, she may have changed her attitude.
You will often hear men say that women, when in a relationship with a guy,
will do anything and be anything for that guy when the relationship
starts... then they try to change him... if they fail they leave and, as you
say, they then drag up the things they often did willingly in bed as some
perversion.
If you are a guy you can experiment with this when you being a new
relationship - if the girl is besotted with you and sees you as marrying
material she will do virtually anything and be virtually anyone for you...
at the start anyhow.
Dick Cheney
want him for your president, right?>>
What if he just wanted to have sex with his wife in front of a crowd of
people with the hope that some horny babe would stuff her muff on Jeri's
face and that maybe she would so a little rug-munching? Perhaps he was
hoping that he could find out if all the rumors about her were true, but
Jeri kept her eye squarely on the bottom line (divorce money) and she said
NO. Maybe he would have wanted to see a couple of midgets gang bang his
wife? Would you still want him as your representative?
Dick Cheney
<g>
the town mayor was reportedly a Gay person and after a few years of rumors
his wife had three kids lickety-split, yet everyone is still sure the Mayor
is gay, and his constant companion, business partner, and life-long friend
is still always by his side.
Al Smith
> will do anything and be anything for that guy when the relationship
> starts... then they try to change him... if they fail they leave and, as you
> say, they then drag up the things they often did willingly in bed as some
> perversion.
Sure, Jack Ryan wouldn't have married Jerri in the first place if
he'd thought they were sexually incompatable. Either he jumped to
some false conclusions about her tastes, or she flirted with him
and pretended to be interested in things she wouldn't follow
through on later.
Dick Cheney
a new relationship - if the girl is besotted with you and sees you as
marrying material she will do virtually anything and be virtually anyone
for you...at the start anyhow.>>>
and this advice is coming from YOUR LEFT HAND or YOUR RIGHT HAND? Which one
of your hands was the sluttiest for you? At the beginning, anyway...now they
are barely willing to do the minimal shake-n-bake.
Dick Cheney
with a beautiful but crazy woman.>>
MESSAGE FROM THE BIG RED HAND?
EvilBill
Um, if he does that stuff, he'd be in jail anyway.
But I mean, what two adults do in private is their business, no-one
else's. I don't care if our Prime Minister gets a blowjob in his office
or likes anal sex or whatever. It just isn't relevant to how he runs the
country.
(Very badly, but that's another matter...)
Brenda
"John Smith" <johnNOS...@NOSPAMhotmailNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Guys, there's no proof that this is in any way shape or form the situation
here.
I suspect that had Jeri participated in this prior to the two incidences she
cites
it would have been brought up by Jack Ryan as a counter against her
complaint and testimony
in the custody hearing. Since it wasn't I'm betting she didn't partake in
any activity
such as this ever in their relationship.
>
>
Brenda
Then let's turn this around. A guy will often make lots of promises and
statements in the beginning of a relationship when he wants to get a woman
into bed. He will play it polite and conservative so as not to turn her off.
Then when he feels more comfortable and secure he pressures her to try
things never mentioned before.
Supposition works both ways.
geoff
If u mean PALMela anderson, do not knock her, she never talks back, and does
it just right. Even the professionals I knew in the military needed PALMela
after going out with psycho-bitches.
-g
Merrick Baldelli
Johnston) wrote:
>On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:17:08 GMT, ArchieLeach <ca...@grant.com> wrote:
>
>>"Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
>>news:GJeDc.28171$Y3.1...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>>
>>> Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress
>>
>>So let me get this straight:
>>
>>having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE for
>>office;
>
>No. Trying to pressure your wife into having public sex with her in
>an S&M club reduces your chance of getting elected as a family values
>Republican to the point that the party wants to ditch you.
And surprisingly, no word from our resident fetishist. All
the more proof TPM's nothing more than a poseur.
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Al Smith
>>> he'd thought they were sexually incompatable. Either he jumped to
>>> some false conclusions about her tastes, or she flirted with him
>>> and pretended to be interested in things she wouldn't follow
>>> through on later.
>
>
> Then let's turn this around. A guy will often make lots of promises and
> statements in the beginning of a relationship when he wants to get a woman
> into bed. He will play it polite and conservative so as not to turn her off.
> Then when he feels more comfortable and secure he pressures her to try
> things never mentioned before.
Could be, we don't know. I tend to agree with the point made here
in several posts that we shouldn't assume that Jack Ryan is the
bad guy, just because we all know (or think we do) and love Jerri.
People make all kinds of accusations during divorces that may be
exaggerated, or may not even be true.
Al Smith
> with a beautiful but crazy woman.>>
>
> MESSAGE FROM THE BIG RED HAND?
You seem uncommonly hand obsessed. You should try to get over
that, it isn't healthy. :-)
PageV
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"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog can cure
depression. The down side is, the minute you stop licking, the
frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno
"Merrick Baldelli" <snark...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:20:05 GMT, rgorma...@telusplanet.net (David
> Johnston) wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:17:08 GMT, ArchieLeach <ca...@grant.com> wrote:
> >
> >>"Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
> >>news:GJeDc.28171$Y3.1...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
> >>
> >>> Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for
Congress
> >>
> >>So let me get this straight:
> >>
> >>having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a CANDIDATE
for
> >>office;
> >
> >No. Trying to pressure your wife into having public sex with her in
> >an S&M club reduces your chance of getting elected as a family values
> >Republican to the point that the party wants to ditch you.
>
> And surprisingly, no word from our resident fetishist. All
> the more proof TPM's nothing more than a poseur.
She posted that she was going on a holiday.
Ralph V
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"A new study shows that licking the sweat off a frog can cure
depression. The down side is, the minute you stop licking, the
frog gets depressed again." - Jay Leno
hb1148
news:40dddc7c...@news.telusplanet.net...
> On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 13:19:34 GMT, "Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress
> >his Divorce Pleadings were unsealed and revealed that the and his 7 of 9
> >Actress Wife used to visit Sex Clubs where they were swingers, and
engaged
> >in Orgies or 3-way sex and bi-sexual escapades.
>
> No they weren't and they didn't.
Oh come on now. We *know* about those Hollywood types.
L.
John Smith
"Dick Cheney" <Dick...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:EpFDc.16352$bs4....@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
Hey, I am just taking my advice from a woman - your Dr. Laura's audio
version of her book 'The Proper Care And Feeding of Husbands'.... If a woman
thinks it and says it then, you can bet your bottom dollar, that this is
something that woman talk freely about amongst their own gender. Contrary to
40 years of anti-male diatribe in women's magazines, in schools, colleges
and Unis... and in the wrokplace.... MEN ARE NOT REPSONSIBLE FOR ALL THE
WRONGS IN THE WORLD NOR ALL THE WRONGS IN A WOMAN'S LIFE.... And when it
comes to sex in marriage then it usually takes two to tango!
PageV
"PageV" <vra...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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My mistake. She's still posting in some groups
The Merry Piper
wrote:
>Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis David Johnston
><rgorma...@telusplanet.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 04:43:23 GMT, Steve Christianson
>> <stevechristians*n...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> OK...I gotta say that what I see here, if these allegations are
>>> true, is a guy who took his lawfully wedded wife to legal
>>> establishments (I'm assuming the New York, New Orleans and Paris,
>>> known for liberality, permit such clubs) and asked her for
>>> consensual sex. When she refused, he backed off. Ummm...other than
>>> being rather lurid, where's the problem?
>>
>> Being rather lurid is the problem. Particularly for a Republican.
>
>What I still don't understand is why a person's private life can't be
>*kept* private. I mean, Tony Blair didn't have to give details of his
>sex life before becoming leader of the Labour Party!
Because most US citizens are worried someone may be having more fun
than they are. That is the true reason the typical US citizen doesn't
like the French ... they are having way too much fun!
Al Smith
>>>*kept* private. I mean, Tony Blair didn't have to give details of his
>>>sex life before becoming leader of the Labour Party!
>
>
> Because most US citizens are worried someone may be having more fun
> than they are. That is the true reason the typical US citizen doesn't
> like the French ... they are having way too much fun!
And their smug about it. And they're idiots.
The Merry Piper
wrote:
Apologies to you, Al. I meant no offense.
Al Smith
No, no, the French are idiots. Americans are great. :-) Ha, I kid.
I have nothing against the French, either, although I do like to
joke about them from time to time.
fozzi bear
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:2k8o4qF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> Then let's turn this around. A guy will often make lots of promises and
> statements in the beginning of a relationship when he wants to get a woman
> into bed. He will play it polite and conservative so as not to turn her
off.
> Then when he feels more comfortable and secure he pressures her to try
> things never mentioned before.
>
> Supposition works both ways.
>
mind you, aside from the celebrity aspect i fail to see how
"prep school rich boy takes trophy wife to sex club"
is unusual enough to be newsworthy <g>
cheers
fozzi
fozzi bear
"EvilBill" <evilb...@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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> Tremble ye! for upon this sandbank of Apophis stephen voss
> <vos...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> What I'd like to know is why the hell a person's sex life has the
> >> slightest thing whatsoever to do with their political career.
> >> Shouldn't a person's marriage be *their* business?
> >>
> >
> > Its only really news if they lie about it.
> >
> > Gary Harts problem is that he lied about it not that he did it.
>
> But why should they have to talk about it in the first place? Their sex
> life should have no bearing on their fitness for office, surely?
>
>
with their fitness for office, if they speak out against debauchery then are
found to have participated in it then they have the charachter of a
hypocrite,
hence they are perfect for political office <g>
Cheers
Fozzi
Brenda
"fozzi bear" <fozzi...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
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Close political race in conservative, bible belt america
A large number of Ryan's supporters were republicans who
were very religious family people. Otherwise it wouldn't have been.
>
> cheers
> fozzi
>
>
>
Brenda
"Steve Christianson" <stevechristians*n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> X-No-Archive: yes
>
>
> Brenda wrote:
> >
> > "Steve Christianson" <stevechristians*n...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:40DE4E...@yahoo.com...
> > > X-No-Archive: yes
> > >
> > >
> > > Brenda wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "greg brown" <no...@way.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:jlmDc.2032$lh4...@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "ArchieLeach" <ca...@grant.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:Xns951472CAA6...@24.25.9.43...
> > > > > > > "Jethro Tull" <jdmaie...@aol.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > news:GJeDc.28171$Y3.1...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate
for
> > > > > Congress
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So let me get this straight:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > having sex with your wife disqualifies you from even being a
> > CANDIDATE
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > office;
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't read anything about him attempting to "force" her to do
> > anything.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.nbc5i.com/news/3451554/detail.html
> > > >
> > > > 'Star Trek' Star's Claims Damage Senate Campaign
> > > > Jeri Ryan Made Claims In Divorce Filing
> > > > POSTED: 11:38 am CDT June 23, 2004
> > > > UPDATED: 11:40 am CDT June 23, 2004
> > > > FORT WORTH, Texas -- An Illinois Senate candidate's campaign is in
> > trouble
> > > > after his ex-wife, "Star Trek" star Jeri Ryan, claimed he dragged
her
> > into
> > > > sex clubs equipped with whips and cages.
> > > >
> > > > The records detail Jeri Ryan's allegations that Ryan pressured her
to go
> > to
> > > > sex clubs complete with whips and cages.
> > > >
> > > > The "Boston Public" and "Star Trek: Voyager" actress said she
angered
> > Ryan
> > > > by refusing to have sex in clubs while others watched.
> > > >
> > > > Jeri Ryan charged during a custody hearing that Jack Ryan took her
on
> > > > surprise trips to New Orleans, New York and Paris in 1998, and that
he
> > > > insisted she go to sex clubs with him on each trip. She said that
after
> > > > going out to dinner with Ryan in New York, he demanded that she go
to a
> > club
> > > > with him.
> > > >
> > > > "It was a bizarre club with cages, whips and other apparatus hanging
> > from
> > > > the ceiling," she said.
> > > >
> > > > She said Ryan asked her to perform a sexual act while others
watched,
> > and
> > > > she refused. She said they left and Ryan apologized to her and said
it
> > was
> > > > out of his system.
> > > >
> > > > But then, she said, he took her to Paris and again took her to a sex
> > club.
> > > > She said she cried and became physically ill at the club, and her
> > husband
> > > > got angry with her. She said she could never get over that incident.
> > >
> > >
> > > OK...I gotta say that what I see here, if these allegations are true,
is
> > > a guy who took his lawfully wedded wife to legal establishments (I'm
> > > assuming the New York, New Orleans and Paris, known for liberality,
> > > permit such clubs) and asked her for consensual sex. When she refused,
> > > he backed off. Ummm...other than being rather lurid, where's the
> > > problem?
> >
> > and try to insist she perform.
>
>
> Seems to me that men and women pressure each other about various things
> all the time in marriage, whether it's about their finances or the kids
> or mundane things like taking out the trash. This just happens to be
> about sex, and of course in our uptight culture we have to put that on a
> pedestal. If he used physical force or threats, then yes he's a scumbag,
> but I haven't seen anything like that in these allegations.
>
> This whole affair has three things involved that make me very
> suspicious: politicians, divorce and Hollywood. First, ever since
> Clinton and Lewinsky I've come to distrust the motives of people
> bringing sexual misconduct allegations against politicians and that's
> basically what's being done here by the people who dragged all this out
> into the open. Second, divorce cases are notorious for people inventing
> tall tales for reasons ranging from financial interest to sheer spite,
> and it's not misogyny to say that there are plenty of women willing to
> put on the "poor abused me" act.
Yeah, well by the same token Steve, there are a number of people
who will justify any offense by saying: She's a slut. She actually loved it
but later she cried foul.
Evidently she didn't want to partake as Ryan ..first apologized and
immediately left
then the time two times became angry and tried to insist she perform. Note
that he
is not denying either fact just the number of clubs he took her to. I would
say, given
both their lifestyles, they frequently went out. It's very plausible that,
since the
clubs were in different cities according to her statements, that she wasn't
aware that
the club they were going to was a sex club.
Third, anything to do with Hollywood
> has to be automatically suspect, it's entirely possible she invented all
> this in order to get custody of her son and rationalize her moving to
> Hollywood. This story smells fishier than a tuna boat, though of course
> I only have my suspicions, I have no proof one way or the other.
Beach Runner
RW Pearson
> No one knew what really happened.
Bullshit! It was a rogue (are there any other kinds) N.I.D. plot to
embarrass the Vger crowd. It has Kinsey written all over it. If I wasn't
Ascended I'd do something about it. ;-p
In all seriousness, while he wasn't able to get her to do the nasty in
front of the others he probably was successful in getting her on video
tape for their private consumption. Lucky Bastard.
Tyralak
news:UQmDc.9$aTP...@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com:
>> Ick. MIME and a binary. A twofer.
>
>
> Let's try this:
>
>
> http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&ncid=716&e=13
&u=/nm
> /2004 0626/pl_nm/campaign_illinois_dc
>
> Sex Scandal Brings Down Senate Candidate
>
> Sat Jun 26, 1:57 AM ET
>
>
> By Andrew Stern
> CHICAGO (Reuters) - Republican candidate Jack Ryan quit the race for a
> U.S. Senate seat in Illinois on Friday, in a blow to his party, amid
> allegations that he took his television star wife to clubs and asked
> her to have sex with him in front of strangers.
>
> AP Photo
> Slideshow: Candidate Jack Ryan and Ex-Wife Jeri Ryan
>
Well, it's obvious why the Dems are making such a big deal about this.
He wanted to go to a sex club with his WIFE. The NERVE! I mean, if he'd
have gone with his gay lover or some sort of farm animal, it would have
been just fine. But his WIFE. *shakes head*
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Tyralak
Because he was running for office, and the media who dug it up, wanted
to knock him out of that race. Simple.
greg brown
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
> She used the word "insisted" and stated she did not want to go.
> Semantics?
No.
"Force" implies leaving her with no choice. Obviously she had a choice and
exercised it. The guy wanted to have some "kinky" sex with his WIFE, what is
the big deal?
Greg
Brenda
To Jeri, she didn't WANT to and repeatedly told him. Was reassured by Jack
that
he would never do it again, yet kept at it and became angry and tried to
insist when
she refused. What part of "no" isn't equating?
>
> Greg
>
>
greg brown
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
>
> To Jeri, she didn't WANT to and repeatedly told him. Was reassured by Jack
> that
> he would never do it again, yet kept at it and became angry and tried to
> insist when
> she refused. What part of "no" isn't equating?
Oh god, please spare me the 'no means no' retoric. It doesn't apply here
because Ryan didn't force Jeri to do anything against her will.
My point was that I see no reason for roundly condeming the man JUST for
wanting to have some weird sex with his wife. Obviously she didn't want the
same thing he did in that area so from where I stand it looks like they
weren't compatible as a couple and they're no longer a couple.
However, all the talk about him being a pervert who "forced" her to do
something against her will are, IMO, out of line. Please keep in mind that
this was a married couple not a one night stand. Who knows, maybe in the
past when he kept asking she eventually gave in. Maybe that was their way.
Maybe at some point Jeri told him she fantasized about exhibitionism and sex
clubs, who knows.
I think you and others are getting hung up on WHAT he asked her to do and
WHERE he wanted to do it rather than looking at it as just another kinky
sexual thing a guy wanted to try, but his wife did not. You might find
exhibitionism, and sex clubs disgusting, and so might I, but we don't know
what went on previously in their marriage so the info on this incident is
out of context.
My feeling is that this guy should have known his wife better. He should
have known what she would go for and what she wouldn't. But then, maybe he
DID know her. We just don't know.
Greg
Brenda
>
> "Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2kmlnhF...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >
> >
> > To Jeri, she didn't WANT to and repeatedly told him. Was reassured by
Jack
> > that
> > he would never do it again, yet kept at it and became angry and tried to
> > insist when
> > she refused. What part of "no" isn't equating?
>
> Oh god, please spare me the 'no means no' retoric. It doesn't apply here
> because Ryan didn't force Jeri to do anything against her will.
>
> My point was that I see no reason for roundly condeming the man JUST for
> wanting to have some weird sex with his wife. Obviously she didn't want
the
> same thing he did in that area so from where I stand it looks like they
> weren't compatible as a couple and they're no longer a couple.
>
> However, all the talk about him being a pervert who "forced" her to do
> something against her will are, IMO, out of line.
I have never called him a pervert nor have I stated that he succeeded in
forcing her
to do anything again her will, but in your responses you want to negate his
dismissal
of his wife's explicit wishes that she had no desire to partake in this type
of behavior
and seem to insist that Jeri led him on. So, "Oh God, please spare me the"
poor
beleaguered and misunderstood husband routine. It shouldn't have taken more
than
once for him to understand this was not her thing.
Please keep in mind that
> this was a married couple not a one night stand. Who knows, maybe in the
> past when he kept asking she eventually gave in. Maybe that was their way.
> Maybe at some point Jeri told him she fantasized about exhibitionism and
sex
> clubs, who knows.
And maybe you're attempting to villianize Jeri and blame her for what is
perceived
by others to be inappropriate behavior by Jack. Understand that most of us
could
care less if he wants to swing with his wife from a trapeze in the center of
Times Square.
It's the fact that Jeri did not want to join in that made the suggestion a
point of
contention in their marriage.
>
> I think you and others are getting hung up on WHAT he asked her to do and
> WHERE he wanted to do it rather than looking at it as just another kinky
> sexual thing a guy wanted to try, but his wife did not.
I think you are extremely wrong. See above.
You might find
> exhibitionism, and sex clubs disgusting, and so might I,
I've never made a judgement about them in any way nor have I voiced
my opinion on the activity.
but we don't know
> what went on previously in their marriage so the info on this incident is
> out of context.
How is it out of context when they both agree it was an item they disagreed
on?
It's not a big deal to me until the impression in implanted that Jeri
attempted to
lead him on by changing her mind on the issue. From all her statements on
the
incidents this was not the case and Jack Ryan hasn't denied that.
>
> My feeling is that this guy should have known his wife better. He should
> have known what she would go for and what she wouldn't. But then, maybe he
> DID know her. We just don't know.
And maybe he just didn't listen.
>
> Greg
>
>
greg brown
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
>
>
>
> I have never called him a pervert nor have I stated that he succeeded in
> forcing her
> to do anything again her will,
Yes, but you did say that he attempted to "force" her and there is no
indication anywhere that Ryan atempted to "force" her to do anything. That
is simply your take.
> but in your responses you want to negate his
> dismissal
> of his wife's explicit wishes that she had no desire to partake in this
type
> of behavior
> and seem to insist that Jeri led him on.
My point was NOT that she led him on, but that we don't know what may have
happened previously in their mariage which might better explain why Ryan
thought it was okay to ask her to have sex in a sex club.
>
> Please keep in mind that
> > this was a married couple not a one night stand. Who knows, maybe in the
> > past when he kept asking she eventually gave in. Maybe that was their
way.
> > Maybe at some point Jeri told him she fantasized about exhibitionism and
> sex
> > clubs, who knows.
>
> And maybe you're attempting to villianize Jeri and blame her for what is
> perceived
> by others to be inappropriate behavior by Jack.
But even you will agree that like in most divorce situations neither party
is blameless.
> Understand that most of us could
> care less if he wants to swing with his wife from a trapeze in the center
of
> Times Square.
I don't think this is true. Ask yourself, what if Jeri put into her
complaint that Ryan wanted to have sex in a position that she found
disgusting so she refused but he kept asking. I bet even the Republican
wouldn't have had a problem with this. I believe that you, like the "others"
you refer to, are hung up on the location and circumstances of what Ryan
wanted and nothing more.
What if he had been "insisting" that they simply have old fashioned sex, and
she refused and he kept insisting? Would you have considered this an attempt
to "force" her?
> It's the fact that Jeri did not want to join in that made the suggestion a
> point of
> contention in their marriage.
>
No argument here.
>
> You might find
> > exhibitionism, and sex clubs disgusting, and so might I,
>
> I've never made a judgement about them in any way nor have I voiced
> my opinion on the activity.
>
That's why I wrote, "might".
> but we don't know
> > what went on previously in their marriage so the info on this incident
is
> > out of context.
>
> How is it out of context when they both agree it was an item they
disagreed
> on?
It is 'out of context because' because neither Ryan nor Jeri have given us
the entire story on their marriage. If we had that maybe we'd better
understand why Jack made the suggestion, why he made it more than once, and
why it apparently became such a big deal in their marriage.
And BTW, no, I don't want to know any more of the details of their marriage.
> It's not a big deal to me until the impression in implanted that Jeri
> attempted to
> lead him on by changing her mind on the issue. From all her statements on
> the
> incidents this was not the case and Jack Ryan hasn't denied that.
>
Again, my point had NOTHING to do with her 'leading him on'. But just for
the record, I haven't read anything from either of them that states she
didn't lead him on. Have you? If so, please cite.
AND, just for the record, " leading someone on" is not something I usually
associate with married couples, especially in the area of sex. If a wife
promises her husband she will have sex with him on Monday, and keeps
promising, but on Monday refuses, her husband is not likely to complain that
she lead him on. His complaint will be that "she won't have sex with me".
> >
> > My feeling is that this guy should have known his wife better. He should
> > have known what she would go for and what she wouldn't. But then, maybe
he
> > DID know her. We just don't know.
>
> And maybe he just didn't listen.
>
Didn't it also say in those papers that Jeri, "was in love with someone
else" during the time of their marriage? Maybe she isn't the young innocent
the divorce papers make her out to be.
Greg
Al Smith
> associate with married couples, especially in the area of sex. If a wife
> promises her husband she will have sex with him on Monday, and keeps
> promising, but on Monday refuses, her husband is not likely to complain that
> she lead him on. His complaint will be that "she won't have sex with me".
My complaint would be that she couldn't keep an appointment. Jack
did like his women punctual.
Brenda
Pull your head outta that dark place. When I say I don't care that's
exactly what I mean. This explains much about your position however.
It's stated and still you profess to know the true thoughts of the
speaker even tho they've already stated their opinion. I DON'T CARE
WHERE THEY DO IT as long as BOTH agree. I have that same
stance on any relationship between two consenting adults where no laws are
broken.
>
> What if he had been "insisting" that they simply have old fashioned sex,
and
> she refused and he kept insisting? Would you have considered this an
attempt
> to "force" her?
You tell me. She says no. He keeps insisting. He fails to have her
perform but if he had....and she had ended up having public sex with him
even
tho she didn't want to...what would have been the complaint then?
>
> > It's the fact that Jeri did not want to join in that made the suggestion
a
> > point of
> > contention in their marriage.
> >
>
> No argument here.
>
> >
> > You might find
> > > exhibitionism, and sex clubs disgusting, and so might I,
> >
> > I've never made a judgement about them in any way nor have I voiced
> > my opinion on the activity.
> >
>
> That's why I wrote, "might".
Yet when I say most of us, you tell me you don't believe I truly have that
opinion?
Or am I reading you wrong?
>
> > but we don't know
> > > what went on previously in their marriage so the info on this incident
> is
> > > out of context.
> >
> > How is it out of context when they both agree it was an item they
> disagreed
> > on?
>
> It is 'out of context because' because neither Ryan nor Jeri have given us
> the entire story on their marriage. If we had that maybe we'd better
> understand why Jack made the suggestion, why he made it more than once,
and
> why it apparently became such a big deal in their marriage.
Read the statements made. It's not out of context. According to the
documents it
happened three times. She said no the first time and told him she did not
want to take part
in a public exhibition. Second time she realized what the club was and
refused to enter.
Third time she became physically ill and said that attempt to once more
introduce her
to that activity irreparably broke her trust and that she couldn't get over
his request.
I would assume she would mean hurt, or feelings of betrayal, that he would
ask her to
do something that she had already voiced a strong stance against and that he
had promised
never to try again. Since that evidently WAS the extent of that type of
activity, not the
entent of their marital problems, why is it not able to stand on it's own?
The only thing we aren't aware of is why Jack had a penchant for those clubs
but I'd
think that was fairly obvious. It was something he enjoyed. She didn't. That
could become
a big deal real quick in a marriage.
>
> And BTW, no, I don't want to know any more of the details of their
marriage.
>
> > It's not a big deal to me until the impression in implanted that Jeri
> > attempted to
> > lead him on by changing her mind on the issue. From all her statements
on
> > the
> > incidents this was not the case and Jack Ryan hasn't denied that.
> >
>
> Again, my point had NOTHING to do with her 'leading him on'. But just for
> the record, I haven't read anything from either of them that states she
> didn't lead him on. Have you? If so, please cite.
She said No. I don't like that. I don't want to go anyplace like that ever
again.
Thats not leading anyone on. That's fairly plainly stating your preferances.
>
> AND, just for the record, " leading someone on" is not something I usually
> associate with married couples, especially in the area of sex. If a wife
> promises her husband she will have sex with him on Monday, and keeps
> promising, but on Monday refuses, her husband is not likely to complain
that
> she lead him on. His complaint will be that "she won't have sex with me".
>
That was not the issue here and neither party stated it was a problem. It
was the
clubs she objected to.
> > >
> > > My feeling is that this guy should have known his wife better. He
should
> > > have known what she would go for and what she wouldn't. But then,
maybe
> he
> > > DID know her. We just don't know.
> >
> > And maybe he just didn't listen.
> >
>
> Didn't it also say in those papers that Jeri, "was in love with someone
> else" during the time of their marriage? Maybe she isn't the young
innocent
> the divorce papers make her out to be.
Who said she was innocent? Why does Jack making a wrong move by trying to
pressure
her into sex clubs equal Jeri being innocent? She herself admitted to
breaking the marriage vows
IN her divorce statements. However, she does say it came at the end of the
marriage after the
club incidents and when she knew the marriage was irrevocably broken.
>
> Greg
>
>
>
Abrigon Gusiq
places and she said NO.
Mike
Jethro Tull wrote:
>
> Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for Congress when
> his Divorce Pleadings were unsealed and revealed that the and his 7 of 9
> Actress Wife used to visit Sex Clubs where they were swingers, and engaged
> in Orgies or 3-way sex and bi-sexual escapades. Too bad there were no photos
> filed.
greg brown
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> Pull your head outta that dark place. When I say I don't care that's
> exactly what I mean. This explains much about your position however.
> It's stated and still you profess to know the true thoughts of the
> speaker even tho they've already stated their opinion. I DON'T
CARE
> WHERE THEY DO IT as long as BOTH agree. I have that same
> stance on any relationship between two consenting adults where no laws are
> broken.
>
I can't help it, I...Just...Don't...Believe...You...
> >
> > What if he had been "insisting" that they simply have old fashioned sex,
> and
> > she refused and he kept insisting? Would you have considered this an
> attempt
> > to "force" her?
>
> You tell me. She says no. He keeps insisting. He fails to have her
> perform but if he had....and she had ended up having public sex with him
> even
> tho she didn't want to...what would have been the complaint then?
>
Not sure what exactly you mean here. Did you answer my question?
>
> > > You might find
> > > > exhibitionism, and sex clubs disgusting, and so might I,
> > >
> > > I've never made a judgement about them in any way nor have I voiced
> > > my opinion on the activity.
> > >
> >
> > That's why I wrote, "might".
>
> Yet when I say most of us, you tell me you don't believe I truly have that
> opinion?
> Or am I reading you wrong?
>
As I said, I don't believe you, but I am willing to allow for the fact that
I could be wrong. That is why I used the word, "might".
Personally, I would have stopped asking too and I can't understand why he
continued, but as I said, we don't have the full story here.
Simply put, I am willing to accept that there might be some explanation for
his behavior buried somewhere deep in the recesses of their lives together.
I believe too many displayed a knee jerk reaction to a, "man tries to force
wife to engage in 'sleazy' sexual behavior" story in these politically
correct times without actually thinking about the situation. There just
might be more to the situation than what is contained in Jeri's divorce
Complaint.
I just believe that there are many many women who would complain about
things their husband's want from them sexually. And many would also complain
that their husband's continue to ask for it. But I believe the fact that
Ryan wanted a particular type of sex, and continued to ask for it, is the
real basis of most of the complaints, including yours. There is a certain
amount of hypocracy going on here.
Yes, and let me reiterate, I don't believe you when you say that what Ryan
wanted is not a part of what you dislike about his behavior. However, I do
believe that you believe what you are saying is true.
Also, please believe me when I say that there is nothing personal here.
Greg
Brenda
Could you point to one reference: Any reference: where I myself labeled his
preferences
wrong or sleazy? Your assumption is wrong and I could speculate as to why
you believe
this. I could suspect it is a stereotyping of women but I'm not going to get
into that debate
with you. My point was simply that Jeri had said no. Jack kept insisting and
that's where
the error was and where the wrong was. It was not a moral judgement on the
activity
and there was no place where I indicated it was. One partner insisting the
other do
something he or she did not want to partake in is wrong. Not illegal. Not
immoral if
they both enjoy it but wrong when one does not.
And having said that I'm either gonna ignore the thread or plonk you because
it does
no good to attempt to debate, even heatedly, with someone who believes they
know
better than the poster what he or she believes.
greg brown
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
> Could you point to one reference: Any reference: where I myself labeled
his
> preferences
> wrong or sleazy? Your assumption is wrong and I could speculate as to why
> you believe
> this. I could suspect it is a stereotyping of women but I'm not going to
get
> into that debate
> with you.
I don't think I stereotyped women at all. But I may very well have
stereotyped you, and as we all know, sometimes stereotypes do apply.
> My point was simply that Jeri had said no. Jack kept insisting and
> that's where
> the error was and where the wrong was. It was not a moral judgement on the
> activity
> and there was no place where I indicated it was. One partner insisting the
> other do
> something he or she did not want to partake in is wrong. Not illegal. Not
> immoral if
> they both enjoy it but wrong when one does not.
> And having said that I'm either gonna ignore the thread or plonk you
because
> it does
LOL. No need to get angry just because we disagree.
Greg
fozzi bear
"Brenda" <inv...@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>
>
> Who said she was innocent? Why does Jack making a wrong move by trying to
> pressure
> her into sex clubs equal Jeri being innocent? She herself admitted to
> breaking the marriage vows
> IN her divorce statements. However, she does say it came at the end of the
> marriage after the
> club incidents and when she knew the marriage was irrevocably broken.
>
i'd say its more base, he may have just wanted people to see seven of nine
give him a blow job, its not group sex attraction, there are thousands of
ways
to accomplish that without ever mentioning a club, it was the public element
he was specifically after, ie a massive ego trip
Cheers
Fozzi
Silverlight
Judith
Admiral Dekker
<hip...@removethishere.earthlink.net> wrote:
>Through the swirling mists of green fog Jethro Tull voice fearlessly
>called out to us
>> Jerry Ryan's ex-husband withdrew as a Republican Candidate for
>> Congress when his Divorce Pleadings were unsealed and revealed that
>> the and his 7 of 9 Actress Wife used to visit Sex Clubs where they
>> were swingers, and engaged in Orgies or 3-way sex and bi-sexual
>> escapades. Too bad there were no photos filed.
>
>No Jeri Ryan refused to perform.
Is that breach of contract?
Does her agent know about this.
I don't think I would want to put my little friend in her custom borg
built bionic grinder.
That would hurt.