What does U.S.S. stand for ?
David Patrick
"Brandon K" <bra...@ibm.net> wrote:
>Does anyone Know?
>It can't stand for United States Ship.
I dunno if it's ever been said exactly, but it stands for something
like United Star Ship.
Of course it shouldn't be USS, it was only given that in the original
series because the show is American so they kept the whole name and
not just Enterprise.
It should really be something like FSS (Federation Star Ship), but
this is something inherited from the 60s show and you can't change it.
Still grates when the Hood is called USS Hood, though.
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United Star Ship (this is said by everyone since Capt. Kirk)
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I believe it stands for United Star Ship, for United Federation of planets.
Though I could be wrong...
Brandon K <bra...@ibm.net> wrote in article
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suckyguy
Brandon K wrote:
> Does anyone Know?
> It can't stand for United States Ship.
United Star Ship.
Joe
Brandon K wrote:
>
> Does anyone Know?
> It can't stand for United States Ship.
Eugene "Gene" Chan
I just borrowed the Star Tren encyclopeadia, it said there isn't a
"fixed" meaning. Captain Christopher Pike said it stands for United
Space Ship, while Kirk said United Star Ship. Go here:
http://www.galaxycorp.com/gc/, there's a searchable glossary database!
April
Brandon K wrote:
>
> Does anyone Know?
> It can't stand for United States Ship.
Rocco Celentano
It stands fo United Starship
Brandon K <bra...@ibm.net> wrote in article
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M.M. Q.
United Solar System??
Each day is a gift.That's why it's called the "present".
david m
Maybe they just didnt want to change it,because it has a certain ring to
it.
Also they still use the name ENTERPRISE .
April <scott...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
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> Brandon K wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone Know?
> > It can't stand for United States Ship.
> United STAR Ship
>
Jack Bohn
da...@alberon.demon.co.uk (David Patrick) wrote:
>"Brandon K" <bra...@ibm.net> wrote:
>>Does anyone Know?
>>It can't stand for United States Ship.
>I dunno if it's ever been said exactly, but it stands for something
>like United Star Ship.
>Of course it shouldn't be USS, it was only given that in the original
>series because the show is American so they kept the whole name and
>not just Enterprise.
>It should really be something like FSS (Federation Star Ship), but
>this is something inherited from the 60s show and you can't change it.
Some fans try to explain it as United Star(fleet) Ship. The idea
being that the various star systems (Vulcan, Andor, Earth, Alpha
Cent., Tellar) had their own "national" fleets and after forming a
Federation they folded them all into one big,happy fleet. By the
23rd century "United Starfleet" became just "Starfleet" and "USS"
was referred to as "United Star Ship"
>Still grates when the Hood is called USS Hood, though.
Sorry about that, how do you feel about the USS Victory?
-Jack
David Patrick
"david m" <dav...@tnet.com.au> wrote:
>Maybe they just didnt want to change it,because it has a certain ring to
>it.
>Also they still use the name ENTERPRISE .
Then what about British ships like the Hood?
USS Hood sounds damn odd to me.
Michael Broe
Brandon K wrote in article <01bca358$ca744bc0$44e12581@default>...
>Does anyone Know?
>It can't stand for United States Ship.
No, it stands for United Space Ship. As if that sounds better...
Dawn
Sanders
It could also stand for United Star Ship.
Joe <joe...@barnwellsc.com> wrote in article
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> Brandon K wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone Know?
> > It can't stand for United States Ship.
John Doe
united star ship?
suckyguy <suck...@geocities.com> wrote in article
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> Brandon K wrote:
>
> > Does anyone Know?
> > It can't stand for United States Ship.
>
> United Star Ship.
>
>
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Brandon K wrote:
> Does anyone Know?
> It can't stand for United States Ship.
" In the first episode Captain Pike identified the Enterpriese as a
United Space Ship while in other episodes the ship was identified as
United Star Ship. We assume that ships with an S.S. prefix are usually
vessels of Federation registry, but not part of the Federation
starfleet."
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" In the first episode Captain Pike identified the Enterpriese as a <B>U</B>nited
<B>S</B>pace <B>S</B>hip while in other episodes the ship was identified
as <B>U</B>nited <B>S</B>tar <B>S</B>hip. We assume that ships with an
<B>S.S</B>. prefix are usually vessels of Federation registry, but not
part of the Federation starfleet."
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Bill Hughes
In article <01bca552$42e163e0$357925d1@sanders>, "Sanders"
<san...@dreamsoft.com> wrote:
> It could also stand for United Star Ship.
>
> Joe <joe...@barnwellsc.com> wrote in article
> <33EB3...@barnwellsc.com>...
> > Brandon K wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone Know?
> > > It can't stand for United States Ship.
> > I think United Space Ship!!! Could be wrong, Joe
> >
According to the Star Trek Omnipedia (cd-rom, which I can't copy from or
print from -arrgh) Christopher Pike referred to the Enterprise as a
United Space Ship, however, in later episodes U.S.S stood for United Star
Ship.
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Sanders <san...@dreamsoft.com> wrote in article
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> It could also stand for United Star Ship.
Of all, I think this is most plausable answer to the question.
United Star Ship for ST universe.
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>> It can't stand for United States Ship.
Actually, technically, it does.
The ship's name comes from the fact that it was named after a previous
space ship, and the carrier before that...
They carry the "USS" designation because the predecessor ship(s) did.
Is the "Defiant" designated "USS"?
SpockrocK
Hey All,
U.S.S. stands for United States Ship by todays standard.
I don't know what it would be by Star Trek standards.
The Earth is part of the Federation, and San Fransisco is
Star Fleet headquarters, and we all know where SF is, but does
that still make it part of the United States?? I have not seen
other designations for any Russian or French ships. Maybe, it
still means United States Ship, but I don't know why it would??
Maybe it is just being carried over for tradition, not only
because of the writers, but because of Star Fleet?? Maybe both
since the writers have conttrol over Star Fleet! :)
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SpockrocK <spoc...@iservICE.net> wrote:
>S THOMAS BUSH wrote:
>>
>> >> It can't stand for United States Ship.
>>
>> Actually, technically, it does.
>>
>> The ship's name comes from the fact that it was named after a previous
>> space ship, and the carrier before that...
>>
>> They carry the "USS" designation because the predecessor ship(s) did.
>>
>> Is the "Defiant" designated "USS"?
Yep.
>Hey All,
>
>U.S.S. stands for United States Ship by todays standard.
>I don't know what it would be by Star Trek standards.
>The Earth is part of the Federation, and San Fransisco is
>Star Fleet headquarters, and we all know where SF is, but does
>that still make it part of the United States?? I have not seen
>other designations for any Russian or French ships. Maybe, it
>still means United States Ship, but I don't know why it would??
>Maybe it is just being carried over for tradition, not only
>because of the writers, but because of Star Fleet?? Maybe both
>since the writers have conttrol over Star Fleet! :)
It's a tradition carried over from the first series where USS was
obviously shoehorned into Starfleet.
No one has ever really discussed the political situation on Earth. If
nation states exist it's probably in name only.
Several British ships have been named (The Hood and The Hermes) and
they all carried the american style USS designation.
The REAL reason is that TOS was a show made for Americans by
Americans, of course they were going to carry the USS tag over from
the American Navy.
When TNG came along the prefix really couldn't be changed.
Stéphane Daniel
SpockrocK <spoc...@iservICE.net> wrote in article
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> S THOMAS BUSH wrote:
> >
> > >> It can't stand for United States Ship.
> >
> > Actually, technically, it does.
> >
> > The ship's name comes from the fact that it was named after a previous
> > space ship, and the carrier before that...
> >
> > They carry the "USS" designation because the predecessor ship(s) did.
> >
> > Is the "Defiant" designated "USS"?
>
>
USS is for United Star Ship (Like the United federation of planets)
David M. MacDonald
Brandon K wrote:
> Does anyone Know?
> It can't stand for United States Ship.
At a guess... United Space Ship?
Scully
United Space Ship.
On Thu, 14 Aug 1997 12:56:34 -0300, "David M. MacDonald"
<roach...@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>S THOMAS BUSH wrote:
>
>> >> It can't stand for United States Ship.
>>
>> Actually, technically, it does.
>>
>> The ship's name comes from the fact that it was named after a previous
>>
>> space ship, and the carrier before that...
>>
>> They carry the "USS" designation because the predecessor ship(s) did.
>>
>> Is the "Defiant" designated "USS"?
>
>
>No, USS doesn't stand for United States Ship. If that were true the
>other names say the Hood, Yamato (I hope that's spelled right) or the
>Defiant would have a different designation which they don't. At a guess
>I would think when Gene was naming the Enterprise, which originally was
>the Yorktown btw, he probably gave it USS since it was an American show,
>but came up with an alternate meaning for it. Since in Gene's vision of
>the future there wasn't any "nation states" such as the US, UK, Russia
>etc. There wouldn't be a United States Ship. Hope this helps.
>
> "Fly her apart then!!!!"
> crazydave
>
>
>
jla
It's STAR ship, not SPACE ship. United Star Ship.
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Scully <gsc...@cyberenet.net> wrote in article
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TV's Francis
Sanders wrote:
>
> It could also stand for United Star Ship.
>
> > >
> > > Does anyone Know?
> >
stand for anything. No one thought about it. Later
they just made up United StarShip. This is something
I heard from a speaker at a convention, that's all I
remember.
James Grady Ward
TV's Francis wrote:
> > > > Does anyone Know?
> > > > It can't stand for United States Ship.
> > > I think United Space Ship!!! Could be wrong, Joe
> > >
> I believe that when the show was produced, it didn't
> stand for anything. No one thought about it. Later
> they just made up United StarShip. This is something
> I heard from a speaker at a convention, that's all I
> remember.
Well it did sort of stand for something. They lifted
the naming system straight off of the US navy. Most, if
not all, of the ships listed in the original series were
US naval ships from WW2. Appearently no one thought long
enough about why US naval ships have USS in front of the
registry names and numbers. Besides, at the time who
knew that anyone outside the US would ever watch the
show let alone becomes serious fans of it.
Since then, I do think they have decided that United StarShip
is an acceptable explanation for the snafu.
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David M. MacDonald wrote in article <33F32AB2...@ns.sympatico.ca>...
>S THOMAS BUSH wrote:
>
>> >> It can't stand for United States Ship.
>>
>> Actually, technically, it does.
>>
>> The ship's name comes from the fact that it was named after a previous
>>
>> space ship, and the carrier before that...
>>
>> They carry the "USS" designation because the predecessor ship(s) did.
>>
>> Is the "Defiant" designated "USS"?
>
>
>No, USS doesn't stand for United States Ship. If that were true the
>other names say the Hood, Yamato (I hope that's spelled right) or the
>Defiant would have a different designation which they don't. At a guess
>I would think when Gene was naming the Enterprise, which originally was
>the Yorktown btw, he probably gave it USS since it was an American show,
>but came up with an alternate meaning for it. Since in Gene's vision of
>the future there wasn't any "nation states" such as the US, UK, Russia
>etc. There wouldn't be a United States Ship. Hope this helps.
>
> "Fly her apart then!!!!"
> crazydave
>
Actually USS stands for "United Star Ship" as in United federation of
planets StarShip.
Qapla'
Dave
Chutney
USS does stand for "United Star Ship" it was mentioned in at least two
episodes of TOS, and I believe one episode of TNG. It was once referred to
as the "United Space Ship" in TOS, but consistancy was rare in those early
episodes. P.S. the USS designation on naval ships, be they British,
American, etc... stands for "United Sailing Ship"
Gordon McLean
In the book Inside Star Trek by Herbert F. Solow and Robert H Justman there
are several references to USS. One memo regarding the opening teaser
(Space the Final Frontier...etc.) in an early form reads:
This is the story of the United Space Ship Enterprise. Assigned a five
year patrol of our Galaxy (etc.)
Check on page 145 of the soft cover edition. It is listed as Roddenberry's
first draft dated 8/2/66.
Now, if other people at a later date referenced it as something else that's
fine. Regardless, early on it was United Space Ship and if nothing else
that should be sufficient to say it is a valid meaning. Hopefully, this
thread can at least become besides United Space Ship what does USS stand
for...
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Chutney wrote:
>
> USS does stand for "United Star Ship" it was mentioned in at least two
> episodes of TOS, and I believe one episode of TNG. It was once referred to
> as the "United Space Ship" in TOS, but consistancy was rare in those early
> episodes. P.S. the USS designation on naval ships, be they British,
> American, etc... stands for "United Sailing Ship"
I'm sorry, but British ships go by HMS, (His or Her Majesty's Ship).
USS stands for United States Ship.
an...@anon.org
As late as "The Gamesters of Triskelion", Kirk said they came from "a
united_space_ship". I just saw this episode yesterday. Of course,
other times USS would be enunciated "United Star Ship." They didn't
bother with consistency too much (at least for this designation) in
TOS.
Andrew.
David M. MacDonald
> > >I would think when Gene was naming the Enterprise, which originally
> was
> > >the Yorktown btw,
> NOTE: The Enterprise A from ST4 was originally the USS Yorktown !
Actually, what I was referring to was that I believe I read in a Tech
manual somewhere that in the early scripts of ST TOS, Gene was going to
call the ship "Yorktown", later naming it "Enterprise". Thus reflecting
this in some way in ST 4. I'm not a 100% on this however. I was
wondering if anyone could confirm this? I did hear it some time ago, so
I'm not so sure. Thanks in advance.
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TV's Francis <Fra...@net-thing.net> wrote:
>Sanders wrote:
>>
>> It could also stand for United Star Ship.
>>
>> Joe <joe...@barnwellsc.com> wrote in article
>> <33EB3...@barnwellsc.com>...
>> > Brandon K wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Does anyone Know?
>> > > It can't stand for United States Ship.
>> > I think United Space Ship!!! Could be wrong, Joe
>> >
I am absolutely sure that USS stands for United States Starship!
Infact Star Trek was born in the Cold War period and, for propaganda purposes, the USA were
designated to conquer the Earth.
Moreover the meaning of USS is clearly in the beginning of the FIRST film (the one with VIGER).
For the Emperor, for the EMPIRE!
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Thomas Pugh
However, only capitial ships (ie, cruisers) were refered to as
starships; everything else is refered to as 'spaceship'
This is obviously a goof that the writers had to cover after the fact.
They started out with 'USS' because it sounded cool, and then later had
to come up with something that fit. Had they thought ahead, they would
have certainly called it 'UFS' for United Federation Ship.
Jason A. A.
On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:57:01 -0400, Thomas Pugh <XXXt...@mci2000.com>
wrote:
>> I am absolutely sure that USS stands for United States Starship!
In the real world, yes, but not the Star Trek one, since they are not
United States ships.
>> Infact Star Trek was born in the Cold War period and, for propaganda purposes, the USA were
>> designated to conquer the Earth.
Certainly wasn't the USSR, but Chekov was not used to indicate the
Russians had become a slave people. I do not think they were trying
to say that any given nation had won, but that the ideas of the US,
ie. democracy, freedom, liberty had prevailed.
>However, only capitial ships (ie, cruisers) were refered to as
>starships; everything else is refered to as 'spaceship'
Nope, only Star Fleet ships had USS designations, and spaceship and
starship are interchangable, though starship has fallen into vouge for
intersteller ships.
Jason A. A.
On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 01:40:52 -0400, "David L. Jaroslav"
<dj7...@american.edu> wrote:
>Jason A. A. wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:57:01 -0400, Thomas Pugh <XXXt...@mci2000.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> I am absolutely sure that USS stands for United States Starship!
>>
>> In the real world, yes, but not the Star Trek one, since they are not
>> United States ships.
>
>No...in the real world USS stands for United States Ship, not
>United States STARSHIP! Or is the Navy up to something I
>wasn't aware of? ;-)
Well, if Admiral Heinlien had his way... (Reference to a Niven story
where Heinlien did not get sick and leave the Navy but became an
admiral and put the space program under Navy commmand)
Okay, I misread what he was saying. Of couse it is United States
Ship, and I have said so before.
ngu...@arc.ab.ca
The answer for this depends on what series you're watching:
TOS: Unabashedly Shirtless Scenes
TNG: Ubiquitously Spotlighted Series
DS9: Uniquely Satisfying Show
VOY: Ultimately Seriously Sucks
How's THAT for an answer? :)
Kling
I believe U.S.S. stands for United Space StarShip "the name of the ship".
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Jatk...@ANTISPAMix.netcom.com (Jason A. A.) wrote:
>On Mon, 01 Sep 1997 01:40:52 -0400, "David L. Jaroslav"
><dj7...@american.edu> wrote:
>
>>Jason A. A. wrote:
>>>
>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 1997 20:57:01 -0400, Thomas Pugh <XXXt...@mci2000.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >> I am absolutely sure that USS stands for United States Starship!
>>>
>>> In the real world, yes, but not the Star Trek one, since they are not
>>> United States ships.
>>
>>No...in the real world USS stands for United States Ship, not
>>United States STARSHIP! Or is the Navy up to something I
>>wasn't aware of? ;-)
>
>Well, if Admiral Heinlien had his way... (Reference to a Niven story
>where Heinlien did not get sick and leave the Navy but became an
>admiral and put the space program under Navy commmand)
>
I read it - a great and funny story.
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This isn't going to be the answer your looking for but it is the
official answer. (I got if from the ST Encyclopedia) There is the
question of what it stands for. Captain Pike called it Sunited Space
Ship, while it was called United Star SHip in other episodes. The
prefix SS stands for a vessel of Federation registry, but not part of
the Starfleet.
**This next is not official**
If they really thought about it it would most likely stand for United
Starfleet Ship.
Chris Condon
Matthew Harvie wrote in message <619as0$c21$1...@news3.texas.net>...
>U.S.S stands for United States Ship
>
>
In this country is does, but not in Trek... in Trek it is United Space Ship.
Patrick D. Rockwell
Matthew Harvie wrote:
>
> U.S.S stands for United States Ship
Except that in the context of Star Trek I think that it stands for
United Star Ship. That's my guess.
-Patrick-
Brint Hite
That doesn't make much sense in the Federation, however. Perhaps 'United
Starfleet Starship' or such.
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Justin Kokkin
Matthew Harvie (speci...@geocities.com) wrote:
: U.S.S stands for United States Ship
:
:
Bzzzz... wrong.
United Star(fleet) ship... United Space Ship(TOS)
Jk
Rick Couvillon
>
>
I tend to disagree. I believe I heard James Kirk refer to the Enterprise as
the "United Star Ship" Enterprise, since the ship belongs to the United
Federation of Planets. I believe that in Roddenberry's vision of the
future, there are no longer any indvidual countries, just a planetary
government. Therefore, in the future there is no United States.
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Then, shouldn't it be UFS for United Federation Ship?
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In article <3439B3...@thegrid.net> Patrick D. Rockwell,
proc...@thegrid.net writes:
>Except that in the context of Star Trek I think that it stands for
>United Star Ship. That's my guess.
in TOS...Kirk stated on many occaisions that it stands for United Space
Ship.
Brian Barjenbruch
> That doesn't make much sense in the Federation, however. Perhaps 'United
> Starfleet Starship' or such.
It is one of two things (both have been used at various times): United
Space Ship, or United Star Ship.
Brian
Jon P. Milochik
Patrick D. Rockwell wrote:
>
> Matthew Harvie wrote:
> >
> > U.S.S stands for United States Ship
>
> United Star Ship. That's my guess.
>
Actually it is United States Ship. The name was carried from its
prvious owners, the shuttle, the warship, etc.
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Stijn Colen
What about "United Federation of Planets Star Ship".
Note that it should be Star Ship, not Space Ship. Picard's line is, after
all, "I'm captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise".
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> >U.S.S stands for United States Ship
> >
> >
>
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On 7 Oct 1997 20:29:45 GMT, st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (Kristopher Huynh) wrote:
>Then, shouldn't it be UFS for United Federation Ship?
Screw it, let's just call it UPS (United Parcels Ship) and end
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> On 7 Oct 1997 20:29:45 GMT, st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (Kristopher Huynh) wrote:
>
> >Then, shouldn't it be UFS for United Federation Ship?
>
> Screw it, let's just call it UPS (United Parcels Ship) and end
> this debate once and for all. :)
Then they'ed NEVER get anything done! :)
Tyralak
L.M.
Rick Couvillon wrote:
> Matthew Harvie wrote in message <619as0$c21$1...@news3.texas.net>...
> >U.S.S stands for United States Ship
> >
> >
>
> I tend to disagree. I believe I heard James Kirk refer to the
> Enterprise as
> the "United Star Ship" Enterprise, since the ship belongs to the
> United
> Federation of Planets. I believe that in Roddenberry's vision of the
> future, there are no longer any indvidual countries, just a planetary
> government. Therefore, in the future there is no United States.
>
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Hm..... I just finished rewatching my copy of "The Cage" and "The
Menagire" along with a few of the early ST episode. Notice how they
never really commit to one name for their orginization?
First it was "Earth-Ships"... I think it might have been 8 or 9 episodes
into the series before they actully were clear that the Enterprise was a
Federation Ship(or there even WAS a federation!). Maybe it's United
Space Ship...?
Austin
Stijn Colen wrote:
>
> What about "United Federation of Planets Star Ship".
> Note that it should be Star Ship, not Space Ship. Picard's line is, after
> all, "I'm captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise".
>
> Stijn Colen
>
> Chris Condon <cco...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> <61c7c3$s...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>...
> >
> > >U.S.S stands for United States Ship
> > >
> > >
> >
> Ship.
> >
> >
been United Space Ship AND United Star Ship and nothing else!
Justin Kokkin
They get around this by saying United Star(fleet) Ship... where starfleet
is the defence/exploration arm of the federation.
Jk
spo...@citenet.net
In keeping with traditions, I believe the 'USS' stands for United
States Ship. Less popularly known is 'HMS', which stands for Her
Majesty's Ship.
Rob
Frank Pietracupa
It stands for United Star Ship Enterprise.
mortis@mharper36
In article <343C1BF8...@enetis.net>, Jake Landrum
<tyr...@enetis.net> writes
>
>
>Merrick Baldelli wrote:
>
>> On 7 Oct 1997 20:29:45 GMT, st...@Rosie.UH.EDU (Kristopher Huynh) wrote:
>>
>> >Then, shouldn't it be UFS for United Federation Ship?
>>
>> this debate once and for all. :)
>
> Then they'ed NEVER get anything done! :)
>
> Tyralak
>
>
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Jeffrey and Nancy Clarke
Folks:
In "The Making of Star Trek," (1968, Ballantine Books, N.Y.),
page 24 (4th page of Chapter 1), the original mission orders were
to Captain Robert T. April to command the USS Enterprise,
registry -- Earth United Space Ship.
Nancy
Justin Kokkin
L.M. (clo...@ameritech.net) wrote:
: Hm..... I just finished rewatching my copy of "The Cage" and "The
: Menagire" along with a few of the early ST episode. Notice how they
: never really commit to one name for their orginization?
: First it was "Earth-Ships"... I think it might have been 8 or 9 episodes
: into the series before they actully were clear that the Enterprise was a
: Federation Ship(or there even WAS a federation!). Maybe it's United
: Space Ship...?
In the earlier episodes, yes USS did refer to United Space Ship, but as
the series developed, so did the name into United Star Ship, as in United
Starfleet Ship.
Jk
Justin Kokkin
The Davis' (rose...@ebicom.net) wrote:
: Thats what Kirk called it..
The way you replyed to this gives some confusion. But I've never heard
Kirk refer to USS as United States Ship.
Jk
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:
: Patrick D. Rockwell <proc...@thegrid.net> wrote in article
: <3439B3...@thegrid.net>...
: > Matthew Harvie wrote:
: > >
: > > U.S.S stands for United States Ship
: >
: > Except that in the context of Star Trek I think that it stands for
: >
The Sword
Rick Couvillon <rtcou...@wwdc.com.nospam> wrote in article
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> Matthew Harvie wrote in message <619as0$c21$1...@news3.texas.net>...
> >U.S.S stands for United States Ship
> >
> >
>
> I tend to disagree. I believe I heard James Kirk refer to the Enterprise
as
> the "United Star Ship" Enterprise, since the ship belongs to the United
> Federation of Planets. I believe that in Roddenberry's vision of the
> future, there are no longer any indvidual countries, just a planetary
> government. Therefore, in the future there is no United States.
>
> --
> To reply, remove the .nospam from return address.
>
>
>
Wrong. In the TOS ep where the Enterprise goes back to 1960's Earth and
captures the jet pilot--can't recall the name--Kirk refers to it as "The
United Earth Space Ship. . . " That particular designation was never heard
again.
The Sword
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U.S.S. (today) stands for - - United States Ship
U.S.S. (in Star Trek) stands for - - United Star Ship
Pitbull
Matthew Harvie <speci...@geocities.com> wrote in article
<619as0$c21$1...@news3.texas.net>...
> U.S.S stands for United States Ship
In todays standards, but in Star Trek, U.S.S. stands for United Star Ship.
Justin Kokkin
Stijn Colen (sco...@concepts.nl) wrote:
: What about "United Federation of Planets Star Ship".
: Note that it should be Star Ship, not Space Ship. Picard's line is, after
: all, "I'm captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Starship Enterprise".
:
: Stijn Colen
True, for NG, in TOS "Space Ship" was quoted.
Jk
Jon P. Milochik
Star Trek has TONS of loop holes and one happens to be the USS. One
person says its United States Ship, one person says Kirk called it
United Star Ship, and some people say its United Star(fleet) ship. What
every that means. We can debate this until the end of time, but we will
keep getting the same responses. Nobody will EVER really know. Its
time to stop this STUPID debate. If you want the real answer, ask Gene
Rodenberry.
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Jon P. Milochik wrote:
>
> Star Trek has TONS of loop holes and one happens to be the USS. One
> person says its United States Ship, one person says Kirk called it
> United Star Ship, and some people say its United Star(fleet) ship. What
> every that means. We can debate this until the end of time, but we will
> keep getting the same responses. Nobody will EVER really know. Its
> time to stop this STUPID debate. If you want the real answer, ask Gene
> Rodenberry.
>
Actually there is a simple explanation. Rodenberry lifted
the names of the ships straight out of the US Navy. And specificly
for the most part from WW2 ships. He copied over the USS that
precedes any US navy ship with out thinking about what it stands
for. In reference the US navy, it does mean United States Ship.
In some of the episodes, it is actually said that the full name
of the enterprise is United Star Ship Enterprise in the original
show. So clearly at some point someone realized that the USS means
and inserted the translation of United Star Ship for it in reference
to Star Trek.
As to why this silly discussion keeps coming up, that is something
that we will never know.
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Jake Blues
Well...
Just about every book I have read, and episode I have seen (the few
that have said it) say its...
United Star Ship.
Why would it be United States Ship??? Most ships are built light years
from the U.S.
Jake
dm...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
I suppose we'll never know the answer then. (since he's dead)
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: time to stop this STUPID debate. If you want the real answer, ask Gene
: Rodenberry.
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> keep getting the same responses. Nobody will EVER really know. Its
> time to stop this STUPID debate. If you want the real answer, ask Gene
> Rodenberry.
>
well.... got a scikick? or someone who can speak to the dead?
c
Umm.....I don't think you can ask Gene Rodenberry. Sorry.
jen
Sean Campbell
Well, as most of you know, U.S.S. originated as being a shortened
phrase for United States Ship. My guess is that U.S.S. was adopted as a
"tradition" much like many of the starships were named for famous U.S.
naval ships (Enterprise, Constitution, etc.). Therefore, to answer your
question...U.S.S. really does not stand for anything, it is nothing more
than a custom.
On a side note though...do you know what NCC stands for (as in NCC-1701)?
Naval Construction Contract #xxxx
Just my 2 cents
TJ
At one point in time it was sugessted that it stood for United Star
Ships. Which in some obscure interview with Gene Rodenberry he found
that acceptable. I couldn't tell you when the interview took place. I
think I even had a card from the old Fan club organized by Paramount
that had a list of the Star Ships and at the top it had United Star
Ships. I could be wrong, though. That card would have been from the
early '70's. I Also, had several film clips from the cutting room floor
sweepings. Does anyone have any of these any more? You could get either
mounted for slides or loose. The loose were usually cut at odd angles.
Sorry for changing subject.
TJ
Knight Hammer
I think that calling every ship in the federation USS would NEVER
happen, on the grounds that the whole wourld teaming up to build
spaceships and calling them USS is just plain unrealistic. The British
use the term HMS, Canada uses the term HMCS, and then there are the
Russians and Chinese...they have thiere own too. It is not on the
grounds that it is a custom, it is just an AMERICAN custom, and since
Star Trek is an American show. . .they think that the world is just
going to follow the ways of the United States and get rid of all thier
customs to follor thiers.
Just MY two cents.
David
Knight Hammer wrote:
>
> I think that calling every ship in the federation USS would NEVER
> happen, on the grounds that the whole wourld teaming up to build
> spaceships and calling them USS is just plain unrealistic. The British
> use the term HMS, Canada uses the term HMCS, and then there are the
> Russians and Chinese...they have thiere own too. It is not on the
> grounds that it is a custom, it is just an AMERICAN custom, and since
> Star Trek is an American show. . .they think that the world is just
> going to follow the ways of the United States and get rid of all thier
> customs to follor thiers.
>
> Just MY two cents.
My opinion is that the United States was one of the few remaining
governments after WWIII. In the TNG episode "The Royale" the E-D finds
the remains of an American spaceship. It has an American flag with 52
stars. Riker says it's probaly from somewhere between the years 2033 and
2079.
That could explain why USS was chosen.
Susan Lee
Some where or other on one of the TOS episodes Kirk calls his ship the
United Space Ship Enterprise.
Sue
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David
Susan Lee wrote:
>
> Some where or other on one of the TOS episodes Kirk calls his ship the
> United Space Ship Enterprise.
>
> Sue
He also used United Star Ship. Both definitions are valid. Though United
Star Ship is always used in TNG, DS9 and Voyager.
Shai'tan
David <both...@hotmail.com.ns> wrote in article
<62oul6$4...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
> Sean Campbell wrote:
> >
> > Well, as most of you know, U.S.S. originated as being a shortened
> > phrase for United States Ship. My guess is that U.S.S. was adopted as
a
> > "tradition" much like many of the starships were named for famous U.S.
> > naval ships (Enterprise, Constitution, etc.). Therefore, to answer
your
> > question...U.S.S. really does not stand for anything, it is nothing
more
> > than a custom.
> > On a side note though...do you know what NCC stands for (as in
NCC-1701)?
> > Naval Construction Contract #xxxx
> >
> > Just my 2 cents
>
> It stands for either United Star Ship or United Space Ship. Both have
> been used. Why can't people get that?
>
I have always seemed to think that U.S.S stood for United Sentient Species?
David
Martin Styk wrote:
>
> In article <Pine.BSD/.3.91.971025215...@jefferson.mcn.net>,
> sue...@mcn.net says...
> >
> > Some where or other on one of the TOS episodes Kirk calls his ship the
> > United Space Ship Enterprise.
>
> is syndicating ST:Originals. Kirk clearly said United
> Space Ship. I haven't heard that before until now.
> I was a little bit disappointed because I was convinced
> that it was ...Star...there not Space.
In other episodes he used Star Ship instead of Space Ship. Both are
correct though the newer Trek series always use Star.
brshow
U.S.S. stands for United Starship. The U.S.S. wasn't used on spaceships
until after the founding of the United Federation of Planets.
Knight Hammer wrote in message <34522E43...@travel-net.com>...
>I think that calling every ship in the federation USS would NEVER
>happen, on the grounds that the whole wourld teaming up to build
>spaceships and calling them USS is just plain unrealistic. The British
>use the term HMS, Canada uses the term HMCS, and then there are the
>Russians and Chinese...they have thiere own too. It is not on the
>grounds that it is a custom, it is just an AMERICAN custom, and since
>Star Trek is an American show. . .they think that the world is just
>going to follow the ways of the United States and get rid of all thier
>customs to follor thiers.
>
>Just MY two cents.
>
>
>
The Thinker
Michael T. wrote:
>
> Justin Kokkin wrote:
>
> > In the earlier episodes, yes USS did refer to United Space Ship, but as
> > the series developed, so did the name into United Star Ship, as in United
> > Starfleet Ship.
> >
> > Jk
>
> Airplane film series?
>
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U.S.S. stands for united star ship
Rick Couvillon wrote:
> Matthew Harvie wrote in message <619as0$c21$1...@news3.texas.net>...
> >U.S.S stands for United States Ship
> >
> >
>