A small list of supposed ST:Enterprise violations of canon and rebuttals to such.

[Hunter]

At this site which has quickly beocome one of my favorite sites on the
Web is a listing of the major alledged violations of "Star Trek" canon
supposedly caused by "Star Trek:Enterprise", including Phase Pistols,
Romulan wardrive, and T'Pol's mental abilities. It makes clear that at
least some of the so-called violations of canon are really violations
of fanon, fan explanations for things that get accepted as Canon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanon

In otherwords Star Trek Urban Legends. And of course some supposed
violations of actual canon turn out not to be after all.

This will clear some of it up-or spur more controversy. Enjoy.

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Star Trek: Enterprise alleged continuity problems

>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Star Trek: Enterprise, the latest series based upon the universe
created by Gene Roddenberry, debuted in September 2001. Even before the
series aired, fans ranging from casual viewers to purists began
criticizing the show for allegedly violating well-established
continuity with previous Star Trek series. As a prequel to what had
come before, particularly the sacrosanct Star Trek: The Original
Series, Enterprise came under more intense scrutiny by fans than any
science fiction television series in history.

Many of the points of contention have been divisive among Star Trek
fans, with often emotional debates and arguments being reported. While
some contend that the series cannot reconcile with earlier shows,
others respond that most if not all alleged continuity violations can
be explained. Also, Enterprise has, more than any Trek series before
it, illustrated the schism which has developed between canon-which,
in the case of Star Trek, refers to anything shown on screen (with the
exception of Star Trek: The Animated Series)-and fanon, which has
been developed by thousands of Trek fans over the last 40 years through
fan fiction, licensed novels, reference works, and general assumption.
This clash has led to some fans refusing to accept Enterprise as canon,
although it is undeniably so according to Paramount Pictures, owners of
the Star Trek franchise.

It should be pointed out that inconsistencies such as these are not
exclusive to Enterprise, as they are present in all five of the
live-action Star Trek series. However, this has not prevented the
series from becoming a magnet for criticism in this area. This is
partly due to the explosive growth of the Internet and Internet-based
fan discussion boards in the period between the debut of the previous
Trek series, Star Trek: Voyager in 1995, and the arrival of Enterprise
in 2001. This has created many more outlets for supporters and
detractors of Enterprise and Star Trek in general to voice their
support or dissent.

The following is an accounting of apparent continuity problems
encountered on Enterprise, whose episode titles are followed by
"(ENT)". Titles of episodes of the other series referenced are followed
by "(TOS)", "(TNG)", "(DS9)", and "(VOY)" to denote the original
series, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, and Star Trek:
Voyager, respectively.

Enterprise ended its controversial four-season run in 2005, and it is
expected that Star Trek fans will be debating this aspect of the series
for years to come.

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.
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Enterprise NX-01:
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First ship to bear the name?:
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The episodes "Remember Me" (TNG) and "Trials and
Tribble-ations" (DS9) both established that Kirk's Enterprise was
the first such starship of that name, and without qualifier (in other
words, it was not stated that it was the first "Federation"
starship or first "Starfleet" vessel of that name). The basic premise
of "Star Trek: Enterprise", however, indicates otherwise. The
general response to this by Enterprise writers is that the NX-01 was
the first Earth starship of the name, not the first Federation ship -
which is corroborated by the Enterprise's decommissioning upon the
formation of the Federation in the series finale.

However, this argument runs into the problem that in TNG, the
Enterprise-D 's observation lounge shows a progression of famous ships
to bear the name Enterprise, including the pre-Federation CVN-65 of the
United States Navy followed immediately by Kirk's original NCC-1701.
Considering the importance placed on NX-01's mission in Earth's
survival, it is hard to see how the NX-01 was not included, suggesting
that continuity has been violated in some way. On the other hand, the
observation lounge did not include an illustration of the Space Shuttle
Enterprise, either. Nor did his ready room include an illustration of
the ringed ship (apparently another Enterprise) seen in Star Trek: The
Motion Picture and discussed below. The Space Shuttle Enterprise had a
very limited contribution to history, since it was only an atmospheric
test vehicle with a very limited time in service. Relative to the
contributions made by the other Enterprises in history, the space
shuttle might not have been worth including (and another point that
would make its inclusion slightly odd is that the shuttle was in fact
named after the fictional starship, in homage to the series). The
ringed ship might as well be equally insignificant. One can imagine
that the nuclear aircraft carrier Enterprise, on the other hand, might
have been crucial in the Eugenics Wars and thus worth mentioning. One
cannot, however, imagine the exclusion of NX-01, a ship that saved the
Earth from the Xindis as well as paved the way for the Federation.

Although some choose to reject its existence, the finale episode "These
Are the Voyages..." establishes that the NX-01 is very well known in
the 24th century. Explanations as to why it is not illustrated cannot
be any more than fanon speculation at the present time. On the other
hand, at least two worlds were named after its captain (as established
in "In a Mirror, Darkly" whereas none are known to have been named for
Kirk, Picard, etc.

It is possible, however, that the events of the film Star Trek: First
Contact altered history in that as a direct result of the intervention
of the Enterprise-E, Zefram Cochrane was motivated to suggest that the
NX-01 be named after this vessel. It is therefore conceivable that
prior to this alteration in the timeline, the NX-01 had carried another
name. This is purely fan speculation, however.

The real world has, in some respects, already provided its own
complication to this argument, with the announcement by Richard Branson
in 2004 that the first vessel in his proposed commercial spaceflight
endeavor, Virgin Galactic, is to be called V.S.S. Enterprise, a vessel,
for obvious reasons, that has never been mentioned in any Trek series.

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Ship design:
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The design of the Enterprise NX-01 is alleged to violate continuity in
a number of ways, some of which relate to fanon rather than canon
interpretations of the history of Starfleet. In Star Trek: The Motion
Picture the NCC-1701's recreation room features illustrations of past
Enterprise vessels including an obscure image of a space ship that
predates the NCC-1701 but is clearly not the NX-01. "All these vessels
were named Enterprise," says Willard Decker in describing the
illustrations. However, Decker's line could have been interpreted to
mean that either all past Enterprises were shown or that the images are
only of a selection of vessels. The illustration of the pre-NCC-1701
spaceship shown in the recreation room was later seen in the Enterprise
episode "First Flight" and again in "Home" suggesting that it predated
the NX-01.

The design of the NX-01 is similar to that of a class of starship seen
briefly during a battle sequence in Star Trek: First Contact, numerous
times throughout the Dominion War story arc in Star Trek: Deep Space
Nine, and on at least two occasions in Star Trek: Voyager. That ship
has been dubbed the Akira class in fanon, though it is never identified
on screen. The similarities between the two designs have led some
critics to dub the NX-01 the "Akiraprise". This is not necessarily a
continuity violation; some have argued that the design for the
Akira-class may have been inspired by the design of the NX-class.

On the side of the NX-01's nacelles are glowing blue strips similar in
design to 24th century ships. There are some who have speculated that
the glowing strips seen on the Enterprise NCC-1701 in Star Trek: The
Motion Picture were included as part of the NX-01; design - along with
the Bussard collectors (the red glowing heads of the nacelles) - as an
homage to the earlier vessel. However, the Enterprise from the original
series did not have them. Critics say that this implies the NX-01
should not have had them yet. Of course, it is possible that Starfleet
scrapped the idea but later picked it up again.

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Technology:
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Cloaking:
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In the episode "Unexpected" (ENT), the crew encountered a ship with
cloaking technology, even though in "Balance of Terror" (TOS),
cloaking technology was new, and Spock even said that invisibility was
only theoretically possible. It has been noted that Spock and Kirk also
reacted with surprise to the presence of a cloaked ship later in the
series ("The Enterprise Incident"). The shock expressed in "The
Enterprise Incident" is likely due to Kirk and his crew seeing three
Klingon ships with cloaking technology, i.e. 'Why do the Klingons have
cloaking technology? And why are they in Romulan space?' There is no
continuity break within TOS dealing with this issue.

This works as an explanation for "The Enterprise Incident", but that
episode is not the root of the problem; rather, in the earlier "Balance
of Terror" Kirk and Spock express surprise that the Romulans themselves
could have cloaking technology at all. In this episode, invisibility -
not cloaking from sensors but specificially "invisibility" to visual
viewing - is referred to as a "theoretical possibility". Yet cloaks of
the Enterprise era are already routinely capable of rendering ships
invisible to the naked eye.

Others have suggested that "Balance of Terror" refers to some form of
"new" or otherwise different cloaking technology. The fourth season
episode "Babel One" established that Romulans have camouflage
technology which could be used to render a vessel invisible - but not
necessarily in the same way as a cloak. It could also be argued that
'cloaking technology' can simply mean the ability to disapear from the
current sensor technology. Meaning that the cloaking capabilities were
known in TOS but was completely outdated and could easily be detected
by Starfleet sensors of that time, thus explaining the surprise of the
crew in face of a new 'improved' cloaking technology with the ability
to overide the sensors of the original (TOS) Enterprise. The whole plot
of that episode ("The Enterprise Incident") was about Kirk and Spock
being on a secret mission from Starfleet to steal a cloaking device
they knew the Romulans had.

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Intraship beaming:
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Intraship beaming was said to be extremely hazardous in "Day of the
Dove" (TOS), but Captain Archer does so in "Chosen Realm" (ENT),
without any mention of difficulty or danger. However, it may be that
the crew of the NX-01 had not yet discovered the danger. It seems
possible that a future incident yet to be chronicled will cause changes
to policy showing intraship beaming to be inadvisable. Changes in
transporter technology in the century after Enterprise (increased
power?) might also make intraship beaming dangerous. It can also be
speculated that there might also have been a improvement in the hull
material that, although more resistant to damage, causes problems with
beaming when having to pass through that matter twice in the same
operation.

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Phase pistols:
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The episode "A Matter of Time" (TNG) established that there were no
phasers in the 22nd century, yet Captain Archer's crew has "phase
pistols", which, although have never been referred to as phasers,
certainly sound like a 22nd century version of phasers. In addition,
Captain Pike used lasers in the first original series pilot, "The
Cage" (TOS), suggesting that the subsequent switch to phasers in the
first regular episode of that series indicated that they were new in
the 23rd Century.

Some fans claim that the issue here is not with the name, but rather
having a device that is effectively a phaser in every way except name,
that is phase pistols are shown doing the exact same thing as the laser
pistols of Pike's time. The exact features (e.g., absence or presence
of a stun setting) may vary, but the device remains visually and
functionally identical. However, other fans feel that the phase pistols
are NOT the same as the more sophisticated lasers and phasers of the
Pike / Kirk era because a phase pistol was only ever capable of
inflicting charred scorch marks on a target and never completely
disintegrated an object into nothingness, like the Pike / Kirk era
weapons do. This important contrast was evidenced in the season four
episode "In a Mirror, Darkly" where the Mirror Universe Archer uses an
appropriated 23rd century phaser from the dimensionally-interphased USS
Defiant to disintegrate a rival into nothingness. This level of
destruction was a contrast to what the typical and comparitively weaker
handweapons of Archer's era could do.

It should be noted, however, that "A Matter of Time" does not establish
the exact calendar year in which Rasmussen travelled from the 22nd
Century. "Broken Bow", which takes place at the mid-point of the
century, 2151, introduces "phase pistols" as a brand-new innovation (as
evidenced by the fact Archer is not familiar with them). If Rasmussen
originated from the pre-2151 era, then he wouldn't have any knowledge
of phasers.

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Subspace radio:
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Issue: "A Piece of the Action" (TOS) made it clear that subspace
radio had not been invented until after 2168, but "Silent Enemy"
(ENT) shows Archer's crew deploying and beginning to use subspace
radio relays, even though that episode is set in 2151.
Reply: The Original Series is not entirely consistent on the date when
subspace radio was in use. In "Balance of Terror," Spock makes it clear
that Earth and the Romulans negotiated a peace treaty via subspace
radio, well before the 2168 mission of the USS Horizon. It's also
possible that the NX-01 is making use of an early form of subspace
which will later be superseded by a more advanced form (i.e. one that
does not require the use of buoys) by 2168. Perhaps it will be someday
revealed that the Horizon referenced in "A Piece of the Action" is
actually the "generational"-style ship featured on Enterprise rather
than a Starfleet ship.
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Romulan vessels:
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Issue: "Babel One" features a Romulan vessel capable of warp 5, yet
aren't Romulans supposed to lack warp capability at this point in time?

Reply: It is technically fanon that Romulans didn't have warp
capability at the time of the Earth-Romulan War. All that is known in
canon is that, for some reason, the Romulan vessel encountered in the
TOS episode "Balance of Terror" was only using impulse engines. Given
the realities of space travel, it would take years for Romulans to
leave their home solar system, let alone manage an empire, if they did
not have warp engines. Alternately, the vessel seen in "Babel One" and
"United" is clearly identified as a prototype, one that most likely was
abandoned.
Comment: In fact "Balance of Terror" at no point makes the claim that
the Romulan ship is limited to sublight speeds. Rather, they state that
"their POWER is simple impulse". The meaning of the phrase is
uncertain, but at face value seems to be discussing the energy
generation capability of the ship, not the drive system.
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Holodecks:
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Issue: In "Unexpected", Tucker visits a ship with a holodeck and it is
implied the owners of this device shared the technology with both
Enterprise and the Klingons. Yet holodecks didn't appear until the time
of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
Reply: Strictly speaking, there is nothing in TNG to suggest that
holodecks didn't exist prior to the Enterprise-D. In fact, Captain
Kirk's crew encountered several examples of holodeck-like devices
during TOS. Reportedly, Roddenberry intended for the original
Enterprise to have a holodeck in TOS, but budget limitations prevented
this. The animated series revealed that Kirk's ship did possess a
holodeck, although TAS is not considered canon.
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Vulcans:
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Eating habits:

Issue: The first episode of Enterprise, "Broken Bow", establishes that
Vulcans do not eat food with their hands, as T'Pol demonstrates by
eating a breadstick with knife and fork. However, an episode in a later
season shows her eating popcorn by hand. Actress Jolene Blalock has
gone on record as objecting to such inconsistencies.
Reply: The notion that Vulcans never eat with their hands may be more
of a preference than an absolute rule. Some fans suggest the series is
simply establishing that T'Pol is adapting to being around humans,
while most of her "inconsistencies" in the third season can be
explained by her actions as revealed in the episode "Damage". In
addition, the episode "Shadows of P'Jem" has Archer ordering T'Pol to
eat with her hands (rather than starving during a period of captivity),
suggesting that T'Pol may have decided this form of eating was more
efficient. A third speculation, suggested by the sight of Vulcan
Mestral eating a pretzel with his hands in "Carbon Creek", is that
T'Pol was simply lying (or exaggerating) when she made the earlier
statement as there are numerous examples of the character adopting a
"holier than thou" attitude in the first season (Ambassador Soval was
also seen to display such behavior).
Comment: Since there were times in TOS where Spock eats with his hands
("All Our Yesterdays", where he eats a lump of meat with his hands),
Vulcan "rules" are less absolute than we probably think, for example
the rule about Vulcans never lying, but Spock openly does so in "The
Enterprise Incident" where he says to the Romulan Commander that Kirk
has gone mad, and in ST:II where he "exagerates".
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Melding and mental abilities:
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Issue: Many viewers felt the assertion in "Stigma" (ENT) that there
was a strong stigma in Vulcan society attached to the mind meld was at
odds with premises regarding the mind meld established in the movies
"Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan", and "Star Trek III: The Search
for Spock", and the episode "Gambit, Part II" (TNG).
Reply: An examination of those sources reveal no such "premises" - once
again, this is an example of ENT contradicting fanon, not canon. The
episode "Kir'Shara" subsequently brought melding in line with what
little canon exists regarding it, and the following episode "Daedalus"
revealed that, in only a week's time, the stigma surrounding melding
had evaporated on Vulcan, effectively resolving any remaining canonical
issues surrounding it, save for the indication that some Vulcans can't
meld. However, the episode "Affliction" revealed that T'Pol - who was
told she couldn't mind-meld - not only has this ability, but also
possesses an advanced telepathic power heretofore unseen that allows
her to join her mind with Charles Tucker's over great distances.
Although the writers choose not the explicitly have anyone say this on
screen, previous precedent set by "Kir'Shara" and other season 4
episodes indicates that her subsequent study of Surak's teachings led
her to discover that she had been lied to regarding her mental
abilities.
Rebuttal: T'Pol's ability to link her mind with Tucker's over a
distance of light years has never been displayed by any Vulcan.
Rebuttal to Rebuttal: This is not true. Spock feels the deaths of 400
Vulcans of the USS Intrepid over a vast interstellar distance, in the
TOS episode "The Immunity Syndrome". Spock also telepathically or
empathically feels the mind of V-Ger in ST:TMP, and feels he
understands the entity, which is why he sheds a tear as if weeping for
a brother, in a scene on the bridge. Also in ST:TMP, Spock is
mysteriously connected with Kirk, with whom he once shared a mind meld,
which is one of the reasons he fails the Kholinar test, a test of pure
Vulcan logic (and stoicism)...and this was over a vast interstellar
distance (Earth and Vulcan). Not only are these instances similar to
the kind of telepathic moments between T'Pol and Trip, but they
involved Spock who is only half Vulcan.
Reply: Star Trek has never done a complete cataloguing of Vulcan mental
abilities. In one episode of TOS, Spock controls the mind and actions
of a prison guard, which is something no Vulcan (including Spock) was
ever shown doing again, even in similar circumstances. Also in an
episode of TOS Spock senses the death of all Vulcans aboard a distant
ship, and in The Motion Picture he senses the consciousness of V'Ger
from Vulcan.
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Pon farr:
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Issue: Numerous members of Archer's crew, including Archer himself,
Commander Trip Tucker, Lieutenant Reed, and Dr. Phlox, have had
numerous conversations in which they learned of the Vulcan mating cycle
pon farr in episodes including "Fusion" (ENT), "Fallen Hero"
(ENT), "Two Days and Two Nights" (ENT), and "Bounty" (ENT), yet
fans alleged that no one, including Dr. McCoy, had any knowledge of it
in "Amok Time" (TOS).
Reply: This is another example of fanon violation as TOS established a
human character (Dr. M'Benga) who joins the NCC-1701 crew later in the
series as a doctor who studied on Vulcan. It is inconceivable that a
medical doctor trained on Vulcan would not be aware of pon farr. In
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, McCoy claims to be unfamiliar
with Klingon anatomy despite numerous previous encounters with the race
(and opportunities to study them) indicating that he does not have a
complete knowledge of alien physiology and therefore might well not
have been aware of pon farr. Also, the fourth season of Enterprise is
establishing changes in Vulcan culture occurring in the mid-22nd
Century, suggesting that by the time of TOS a century later Vulcans
might not be as open to discussing topics such as pon farr with
off-worlders.
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T'Pau:
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Among the more minor points of contention is the fact that Vulcan elder
T'Pau in the ENT episodes "Awakening" and "Kir'Shara" speaks with a
faint accent rather than the strong accent used by the same character,
now elderly, in the TOS episode "Amok Time". The notion that the
disparity might be caused by two different actresses playing the part
is rejected by some fans.

There are many real-world examples of individuals adopting or
strengthening accents as they grow older. Alternately, the change in
accent could be the result of universal translator technology. Also,
similar disparity has been displayed in the franchise previously with
the casting of two extremely different actors as Zefram Cochrane in TOS
and Star Trek: First Contact, and the change in both appearance and
characterization of Lt. Saavik between Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
and Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, again caused by a change of
actor.

The character of T'Pau is, ironically, the source of one of the very
earliest canon-violation controversies involving Enterprise. When the
series was first announced, it was stated that Archer's first officer
would be a younger version of T'Pau, leading some fans to accuse the
producers of violating elements of "Amok Time" (even though there is
nothing in that episode to suggest T'Pau had no previous dealings with
Earth). This controversy was defused prior to production when the
writers decided to create a new character, T'Pol, instead.

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Trip and T'Pol:
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Issue: The relationship between Trip and T'Pol (which, in an alternate
timeline, produced a half-human/half-Vulcan offspring) contradicts the
fact that Sarek and Amanda Grayson were the first human-Vulcan couple.
Reply: Nowhere in the canon has it ever been suggested that Sarek and
Amanda were the first mixed-race couple of this sort. It is somewhat
suggested that Spock might be the first successful offspring of such a
union, however Lorien, the son of Trip and T'Pol, existed only in an
alternate timeline, and they never have a child by normal means in the
"real world", so this is not a continuity violation. (The child said to
be theirs in the "Demons"/"Terra Prime" storyline was a short-lived
clone.) Similarly, Trip and T'Pol marry only in the alternate timeline
of the episode "E2" and never do so in the regular timeline.

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First contacts:
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Borg:
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Prior to "Regeneration" (ENT), one could be content to speculate
that reports of the Borg by the El Aurians rescued in "Star Trek:
Generations" were filed away someplace, since they did not have
visual records, proof, or possibly even detailed explanations of the
people who they fled from. But in "Regeneration", there is an
abundance of photographs of Borg drones, which Commander Data
should've produced when the Enterprise-D crew "first" encountered
the Borg in "Q Who" (TNG). Moreover, Dr. Phlox's discovery in
"Regeneration" (ENT) that omicron particles are harmful to the Borg
nanoprobes was never mentioned in any of the "Star Trek: The Next
Generation" or "Star Trek: Voyager" episodes featuring the Borg.
Also, an episode of Voyager ("Raven") established that at least some in
the Federation were aware of the Borg years prior to "Q Who".

As Archer and his crew never learned the identity of the Borg, Data
would have little reason to immediately suspect that the Borg were the
same cybernetic creatures encountered by Archer two centuries earlier,
thousands of light-years away. Moreover, the Borg encountered by the
Enterprise-D in "Q, Who?" look somewhat different from the Borg
encountered by Archer (this was due to more advanced makeup and
prosthetic designs in "Regeneration"; but nevertheless, the Borg do
appear quite different). "Regeneration" also reminds the audience that
there are other cybernetic species in the known galaxy; Phlox mentions
the Binars, which were introduced in season one of ST:TNG. It seems
very likely that after Picard's "first" encounter with the Borg,
someone at Starfleet examined the data in their archives and concluded
that the Borg did in fact visit Earth centuries earlier.

It may be worth noting that there was never a single reference to Borg
nanotechnology in any episode of ST:TNG. This element of Borg
technology was retroactively "invented" in the feature film Star Trek:
First Contact and later explored in detail in many episodes of Star
Trek: Voyager. Moreover, Phlox's "cure" of the assimilation process
contradicts nothing seen in ST:TNG or other episodes. In "The Best of
Both Worlds," Doctor Crusher reverses Captain Picard's assimilation
without much difficulty, leading some to speculate that she used
techniques pioneered by Doctor Phlox.

Some fans believe it is far-fetched to suggest that such a large amount
of debris from the Borg sphere (destroyed in First Contact) could have
gone unnoticed in the arctic for nearly a century. Moreover, they argue
that it would be irresponsible for Captain Picard to leave the debris
and the Borg corpses behind. However, the writers of the script for
"Regeneration" (Mike Sussman and Phyllis Strong) have stated in a
commentary for the upcoming DVD release of the second season that an
early draft of the script indicated that the Borg debris was buried
under the ice for approximately ninety years, and was uncovered by the
movement of a glacier. This explanation was cut because of time
considerations. As for Picard's lack of action regarding the Borg
debris: Riker stated that the Enterprise-E's long-range sensors were
off-line when the ship arrived in the 21st Century. It's possible that
Picard was unaware of the presence of the debris. Moreover, by this
point, Picard and Starfleet were almost certainly aware of Archer's
early encounter with the Borg in the 22nd Century -- if Picard removed
the debris, he would be altering the timeline. Picard and his crew may
have realized that the Borg's arrival in the 21st Century triggered a
predestination paradox, leading to Picard's encounter with the Borg two
centuries later.

The Enterprise-E 's long-range sensors were not relevant to detecting
objects that are only thousands of kilometers away at the most, objects
that are well within the range of short-range sensors. So unless the
short-range sensors were also offline, which they weren't, the
Enterprise has no excuses for not clearing away any Borg debris (unless
none remained to be cleared). Further more, the idea of the crew of the
Enterprise-E protecting a predestination paradox presupposes that ENT
did not violate canon. Since that is the issue being debated, it cannot
be used to prove anything without turning into a circular argument. It
should be pointed out, as well, that the Borg were NOT detected by
Picard and his crew when they boarded the Enterprise-E and began to
assimilate part of Picard's ship. Moreover, Picard STATED in First
Contact that the sensors were off line which is why the Borg were not
detected.

Many fans have speculated that the establishment of Section 31 in DS9
makes it very possible that discoveries regarding the Borg were
classified and not made available to the crew of the NCC-1701-D. Since
"Regeneration", fanon has begun to circulate suggesting that the early
discovery of the Borg was covered up by what would later come to be
known as Section 31. It should be pointed out that the entire purpose
of Section 31 is to preserve the Federation at all costs, raising the
question of why they would even consider withholding information about
such an obvious and potent threat.

Julian Bashir (in DS9) openly questioned Section 31's methods, and
there is plenty of on-screen evidence to suggest that Section 31's aim
is ambiguous at best. At no point did Bashir ever truly question
Section 31's motives, only their methods. In episodes like "Inter Arma
Enim Silent Leges" and "Extreme Measures", Bashir and Sloan are both
quoted as saying that Section 31 is about preserving the Federation's
existence, period. Section 31 has been consistently demonstrated
throughout DS9 as a very cynical, realist intellegence agency when it
came to dealing with other organizations, but that is it. Its
demonstrated secrets are personal, political and strategic information
and operations. It has never been demonstrated to withhold or having
the inclination to withhold informations vital to Federation's
continued existence. Since Section 31's dedication to its duty has
never been shown to waver (ENT not withstanding), there is nothing to
substantiate the theory that they would attempt to cover up human
contact with a race as powerful and dangerous as the Borg. As a wave of
Xenophobia spread over the Earth after the Xindi attack, and quite
possibly the Earth/Romulan Wars, Section 31 may have had a very good
reason to have hidden the existence of the Borg. Remember, later on
Section 31 was to protect the interests of the Federation and the
Federation Starfleet. Possibly to prevent a wave of panic on Earth is
the reason that Section 31 hid the incident.

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Ferengi:
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Issue: Archer's encounter with four Ferengi in "Acquisition"
(ENT), directly contradicts "The Last Outpost" (TNG), which made it
clear that Picard's encounter with them in that latter episode was
the Federation's first.
Reply: DS9 and TNG clearly established that humans knew of the Ferengi
before the events of "The Last Outpost." (According to The Art of Star
Trek, the Ferengi were originally intended to be to TNG as Klingons
were to TOS, resulting in a build-up of rumor and speculation about the
race prior to their first appearance.) Although criticized by some, the
official canon line is that the crew of the NX-01 never discovered -
nor bothered to discover - the identity of their hijackers. Sloppy
exploration protocol on the part of the NX-01 crew, perhaps - and the
episode "Shockwave" has Archer being reprimanded for similar errors if
not this specific one - but not necessarily a violation of continuity.
Also, a later first season TNG episode called "The Battle" establishes
that Captain Picard met the Ferengi in a brief encounter 9 years prior,
but did not know who they were at the time.

.
Klingons:
.
Issue: Some claim that the First Contact with the Klingons depicted in
the pilot episode of the series, "Broken Bow" (ENT), contradicts
what was established in by Captain Picard in the episode "First
Contact" (TNG) and by Doctor "Bones" McCoy in "Day of the
Dove" (TOS). Picard said that the encounter led to decades of war,
and Dr. McCoy said that they were only blood enemies for 50 years at
the time of "Day of the Dove" (well over a hundred years after
"Broken Bow").
Reply: Neither episode established exactly when First Contact occurred;
"Day of the Dove" simply indicates that the Federation and the Klingons
had been blood enemies for 50 years at the time of the episode, and
while the Broken Bow incident seemed to have passed peacefully,
subsequent other early contacts were not so friendly, with Archer being
branded an enemy of the Empire at one point and destroying a vessel
carrying the then-leader of the House of Duras which may well have had
ramifications years later.
Issue: The appearance of "modern-style" Klingons in the first two
seasons of Enterprise has been criticized as violating continuity as
the Klingons seen in TOS are more human-like in appearance.
Observation: Since the time of Star Trek: The Motion Picture,
production executives from Gene Roddenberry on down have sworn that the
TMP Klingons (with forehead ridges) are representative of the way they
had always intended to portray Klingons.
Reply: A two-part episode of Enterprise airing in February 2005,
"Affliction" and "Divergence" reveals that the appearance of
human-style Klingons was the result of a genetic augmentation
experiment gone wrong; human-style Klingons appear for the first time
in "Affliction".
Rebuttal: "Affliction" reveals that the change is related to the
augments created by Khan Noonien Singh, but this common link is never
mentioned in any TOS appearance by the human-like Klingons.
Reply: It wasn't until TNG that significant screen time was given to
discussing Klingon history. In all TOS appearances, the Klingons
appearances were in the context of a scheme or a battle, with little
time given for discussing backgrounds. By the time of the DS9 episode
"Trials and Tribble-ations", the failed experiment that caused the
change/affliction was seen as a taboo subject for Klingons (perhaps out
of embarrassment?) which they do not talk about.
Rebuttal: Julian Bashir and Miles O'Brien, during a DS9 time-travel
voyage to the NCC-1701, are not aware of human-style Klingons.
Reply: In the same episode, Bashir admits he is not an historian, so it
is possible he is not aware of the reasons behind the change (which is
ironic since he, too, is genetically augmented). "Affliction" reveals
that an early form of Section 31 is somehow involved in the change of
appearance, though whether this suggests a possible coverup has yet to
be seen. Also, the events of "Affliction" take place approximately 225
years prior to the DS9 episode; many 20th and 21st century people are
not well-versed on the events of the 18th century.
Issue: Even given the explanation offered in "Affliction", that doesn't
explain why Kahless, founder of the Klingon Empire who lived centuries
before the events of the episode, appears human-like in the TOS episode
"The Savage Curtain"
Reply: The Kahless seen in the TOS episode is not the real Kahless, and
may have been created based upon an image of the man in the mind of
Kirk. TNG established that Kahless was a "modern style" Klingon,
despite his appearance in "Savage Curtain."
Issue: The DS9 episode "Blood Oath" features three Klingons from TOS:
Commander Kor (John Colicos), Captain Koloth (William Campbell) and
Kang (Michael Ansara). In the DS9 episode, they appear as "modern
style" Klingons, where in TOS they are definately not. This has at
least two possibilities: that eventually a "cure" to the augment was
discovered or that these were different Klingons with the same names,
possibly related to the originals in some way.

.
Non-corporeals:
.
Issue: Archer's crew encounters non-corporeal, energy-based lifeforms
in "The Crossing" (ENT), even though Spock spoke of non-corporeal
life as merely a possibility in "Wolf in the Fold" (TOS).
Reply: T'Pol continued to express the notion that time travel is an
impossibility despite experiencing it numerous times; there is
therefore precedent for Vulcans to deny facts already in evidence.
Issue: The appearance of two Organians aboard the NX-01 in the episode
"Observer Effect" violates the first contact seen in the TOS episode
"Errand of Mercy".
Reply: In "Observer Effect", the Organians only reveal themselves to
two individuals (Phlox and Archer) and erase the memory of having met
them, each time.
.
Tribbles:
.
Issue: "The Breach" (ENT) indicated that Denobulans, who, along
with humans and Vulcans, are part of the Medical Exchange program, are
familiar with Tribbles, even though Dr. McCoy was not familiar with
them in "The Trouble with Tribbles" (TOS).
Reply: Then again, as mentioned above, he wasn't that familiar with
Vulcan or Klingon physiology either. Plus, Tribbles are seen to be
little more than vermin and food for Phlox's menagerie; since McCoy
himself once stated "I'm a doctor, not a veterinarian" his expertise
simply might not have stretched to tribbles. A non-canon speculation is
that sometime between "The Breach" and "Trouble with Tribbles" tribbles
nearly became extinct and so might have fallen off Starfleet Medical's
radar a century later. At no point does "Trouble with Tribbles"
indicate a true "first contact" with the species, especially since a
human, Cyrano Jones, is already well familiar with them.
.
Vulcans:
.
Issue: The term "First Contact" seemed to refer to the first formal
encounter between two alien people, which is supported by the fact that
humans' first contact with aliens is considered to be the open,
formal one in Star Trek: First Contact with the Vulcans, and not the
numerous mostly unknown or clandestine pre-2063 visitations by aliens
to Earth established in "Time's Arrow part I" (TNG);and Death
Wish" (VOY), etc. But "Carbon Creek" (ENT), which depicted
Vulcans visiting Earth in 1957, attempted to refer to this clandestine
visitation as "First Contact," although only in a joking context on
the part of T'Pol.
Reply:It is never implied that any serious attempt to declare First
Contact was made. As stated, T'Pol's statement is clearly intended to
be a joke on her part, and her colleagues aboard Enterprise don't
believe her although the episode establishes that the 1957 visit really
did occur. T'Pol is incorrect in any event, though she could not be
aware of the presence of Mr. Spock on Earth in the 1930s (TOS: "City on
the Edge of Forever"), or for that matter the first contact between
Ferengi and humans in 1947 (DS9: "Little Green Men").
.
Miscellaneous:
.
Issue: No episode of TOS, TNG, DS9, or Voyager makes reference to
Xindi, Suliban, or any of the other races the NX-01 encounters that
were created for Enterprise.
Reply: Many races encountered in TOS are never referred to in later
Trek series or films either, particularly the Organians who should have
been involved in any Klingon-related hostilities. In "Broken Bow",
T'Pol makes the simplistic statement, "Space is very big," and there is
plenty of room for races encountered by the NX-01 yet never encountered
on-screen in any later series. In addition, TNG and DS9 frequently
featured Federation members never seen in TOS; there are hundreds of
races in the UFP and only a fraction have ever been shown. A reference
to a Xindi starbase reportedly occurs in the TNG episode "The Battle"
which could possibly be taken as a (retcon) reference to the Xindi of
Enterprise.

Misc.
.
Colonies:
.
Issue:"Terra Nova" (ENT) alleged that the Terra Nova colony was
Earth's first outside its solar system, even though
"Metamorphosis" (TOS) established that Zefram Cochrane moved to the
Alpha Centauri colony not long after 2119.
Reply: Archer states that contact with the Terra Nova colony was lost
approximatelly 70 years ago, that the colony had existed for 5 years
and that it took 9 years to get there. Which means around 2076 was when
the colony was founded and 2081 was when contact was lost. So there is
no real conflict here. Archer refers to Terra Nova as THE GREAT
EXPERIMENT and states that Terra Nova followed the establishment of
colonies on the Moon (New Berlin) and Mars (Utopia Planitia) and a few
asteroids. The episode "Twilight" established the existence of Earth
colonies on Alpha Centauri and Vega.
.
Female captains:
.
Issue: Enterprise challenged an interpretation of Trek canon with the
episode "Home" in which it is revealed that a woman has been assigned
to command the second Warp 5 starship, the Columbia. The TOS episode
"Turnabout Intruder" included one of the most debated lines of dialogue
in Trek history when Janice Lester says to Kirk "Your world of starship
captains doesn't include women." The absence of any female commanders
in TOS - the first female captain from that era to be seen on screen
did not appear until Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home - led some to
interpret the line as meaning that only men were allowed to be
captains. Roddenberry himself confessed that the "Turnabout Intruder"
discussion was an example of chauvinism.
Reply: Captain Pike's first officer in The Cage was a woman who was
acknowledged as the ship's most experienced crewmember. When Pike was
kidnapped by the Taloasians, she was in command of the Enterprise.
There is no reference in the Trek canon to suggest that at any point in
Starfleet history women were not allowed to be starship captains. It is
felt by many fans that, even if the decision to introduce a female
captain violates continuity (based on the more common interpretation of
Janice Lester's comment), it is a violation of which Gene Roddenberry
would have approved, owing to his admitted embarrassment regarding the
earlier episode. It could also be debated that Janice Lesters comment
should be taken with a pinch of salt,, she was a deeply troubled
individual. Her version of what she sees as the "reality" of Starship
command structures may not be actual reality.
.
Mirror Universe:
.
Although the TOS episode "Mirror, Mirror" is supposed to chronicle
Starfleet's first encounter with the Mirror Universe, the fourth season
story arc "In a Mirror, Darkly" features the Mirror Universe. However,
"In a Mirror, Darkly" is a self-contained storyline taking place
entirely within the Mirror Universe. No contact is made with the "real"
universe, therefore retaining the "first contact" of "Mirror, Mirror".
This also applies to the appearance of a Gorn in this episode.
.
Retrieved from
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise_alleged_continuity_problems"

---->Hunter

[Bozo the Evil Klown]

Hunter wrote:
> At this site which has quickly beocome one of my favorite sites on the
> Web is a listing of the major alledged violations of "Star Trek" canon
> supposedly caused by "Star Trek:Enterprise", including Phase Pistols,
> Romulan wardrive, and T'Pol's mental abilities. It makes clear that at
> least some of the so-called violations of canon are really violations
> of fanon, fan explanations for things that get accepted as Canon.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanon
>
> In otherwords Star Trek Urban Legends. And of course some supposed
> violations of actual canon turn out not to be after all.
>
> This will clear some of it up-or spur more controversy. Enjoy.
>
> ************
> Star Trek: Enterprise alleged continuity problems
>
> >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
>

<Alleged snippage>

>
> It should be pointed out that inconsistencies such as these are not
> exclusive to Enterprise, as they are present in all five of the
> live-action Star Trek series. However, this has not prevented the

Minor inconsistencies like James R. Kirk's tombstone are one thing;
contradicting key plot points of classic eps *when the story
***DOESN'T*** require it* is an entirely different matter.

<You can debate whether I snipped anything here for a few generations>

> Technology:
> .
> Cloaking:
> .
> In the episode "Unexpected" (ENT), the crew encountered a ship with
> cloaking technology, even though in "Balance of Terror" (TOS),
> cloaking technology was new, and Spock even said that invisibility was
> only theoretically possible. It has been noted that Spock and Kirk also
> reacted with surprise to the presence of a cloaked ship later in the
> series ("The Enterprise Incident"). The shock expressed in "The
> Enterprise Incident" is likely due to Kirk and his crew seeing three
> Klingon ships with cloaking technology, i.e. 'Why do the Klingons have
> cloaking technology? And why are they in Romulan space?' There is no
> continuity break within TOS dealing with this issue.
>
> This works as an explanation for "The Enterprise Incident", but that
> episode is not the root of the problem; rather, in the earlier "Balance
> of Terror" Kirk and Spock express surprise that the Romulans themselves
> could have cloaking technology at all. In this episode, invisibility -
> not cloaking from sensors but specificially "invisibility" to visual
> viewing - is referred to as a "theoretical possibility". Yet cloaks of
> the Enterprise era are already routinely capable of rendering ships
> invisible to the naked eye.

Enterprise even has a captured Suliban shuttlepod, complete with
cloaking tech.

>
> Others have suggested that "Balance of Terror" refers to some form of
> "new" or otherwise different cloaking technology. The fourth season
> episode "Babel One" established that Romulans have camouflage
> technology which could be used to render a vessel invisible - but not
> necessarily in the same way as a cloak. It could also be argued that
> 'cloaking technology' can simply mean the ability to disapear from the
> current sensor technology. Meaning that the cloaking capabilities were
> known in TOS but was completely outdated and could easily be detected
> by Starfleet sensors of that time, thus explaining the surprise of the
> crew in face of a new 'improved' cloaking technology with the ability
> to overide the sensors of the original (TOS) Enterprise. The whole plot
> of that episode ("The Enterprise Incident") was about Kirk and Spock
> being on a secret mission from Starfleet to steal a cloaking device
> they knew the Romulans had.
>

And of course it helps if you completely ignore the 2nd Season
"Minefield" ep where we see Romulans with cloaking tech *that makes
objects completely invisible in the visible spectrum* as well as hides
them from sensors.

<Snip>

> .
> Phase pistols:
> .
> The episode "A Matter of Time" (TNG) established that there were no
> phasers in the 22nd century, yet Captain Archer's crew has "phase
> pistols", which, although have never been referred to as phasers,
> certainly sound like a 22nd century version of phasers. In addition,
> Captain Pike used lasers in the first original series pilot, "The
> Cage" (TOS), suggesting that the subsequent switch to phasers in the
> first regular episode of that series indicated that they were new in
> the 23rd Century.
>

The lasers were switched to phasers between pilots because Roddenberry
didn't want tech-savvy fans who *know* what lasers are to be laughing.

> Some fans claim that the issue here is not with the name, but rather
> having a device that is effectively a phaser in every way except name,

Exactly.

> that is phase pistols are shown doing the exact same thing as the laser
> pistols of Pike's time. The exact features (e.g., absence or presence
> of a stun setting) may vary, but the device remains visually and
> functionally identical. However, other fans feel that the phase pistols
> are NOT the same as the more sophisticated lasers and phasers of the
> Pike / Kirk era because a phase pistol was only ever capable of
> inflicting charred scorch marks on a target and never completely
> disintegrated an object into nothingness, like the Pike / Kirk era
> weapons do. This important contrast was evidenced in the season four
> episode "In a Mirror, Darkly" where the Mirror Universe Archer uses an
> appropriated 23rd century phaser from the dimensionally-interphased USS
> Defiant to disintegrate a rival into nothingness. This level of
> destruction was a contrast to what the typical and comparitively weaker
> handweapons of Archer's era could do.
>

Part of this was also what was acceptable on TV during the various eras
the shows were produced. TOS phasers could disintegrate a target, thus
sparing the audience the sight of dead bodies. By TNG it was rather
more common to simply set phasers on "singe."

> It should be noted, however, that "A Matter of Time" does not establish
> the exact calendar year in which Rasmussen travelled from the 22nd
> Century. "Broken Bow", which takes place at the mid-point of the
> century, 2151, introduces "phase pistols" as a brand-new innovation (as
> evidenced by the fact Archer is not familiar with them). If Rasmussen
> originated from the pre-2151 era, then he wouldn't have any knowledge
> of phasers.

Archer not being familiar with them is hardly conclusive evidence; he
was never the sharpest pattern in the transporter buffer.

<Snip>

> Holodecks:
> .
> Issue: In "Unexpected", Tucker visits a ship with a holodeck and it is
> implied the owners of this device shared the technology with both
> Enterprise and the Klingons. Yet holodecks didn't appear until the time
> of Star Trek: The Next Generation.
> Reply: Strictly speaking, there is nothing in TNG to suggest that
> holodecks didn't exist prior to the Enterprise-D. In fact, Captain
> Kirk's crew encountered several examples of holodeck-like devices
> during TOS. Reportedly, Roddenberry intended for the original
> Enterprise to have a holodeck in TOS, but budget limitations prevented
> this. The animated series revealed that Kirk's ship did possess a
> holodeck, although TAS is not considered canon.

IIRC the holodeck tech was shared with the Klingons, which would in
fact explain why Klingons don't seem to have made much (if any)
technological progress in the next centuryy or two. The noted futurist
philospher Scott Adams has opined that the holodeck would be the last
thing mankind ever invents.

<Snip>

> Melding and mental abilities:
> .
> Issue: Many viewers felt the assertion in "Stigma" (ENT) that there
> was a strong stigma in Vulcan society attached to the mind meld was at
> odds with premises regarding the mind meld established in the movies
> "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan", and "Star Trek III: The Search
> for Spock", and the episode "Gambit, Part II" (TNG).

Also "Amok Time," where we see that Vulcan children are melded as part
of marriage arrangements among their families.

<Snip>

> Pon farr:
> .
> Issue: Numerous members of Archer's crew, including Archer himself,
> Commander Trip Tucker, Lieutenant Reed, and Dr. Phlox, have had
> numerous conversations in which they learned of the Vulcan mating cycle
> pon farr in episodes including "Fusion" (ENT), "Fallen Hero"
> (ENT), "Two Days and Two Nights" (ENT), and "Bounty" (ENT), yet
> fans alleged that no one, including Dr. McCoy, had any knowledge of it
> in "Amok Time" (TOS).

Well, we've seen that keeping records was *not* what the Medium E crew
did best.

> Reply: This is another example of fanon violation as TOS established a
> human character (Dr. M'Benga) who joins the NCC-1701 crew later in the
> series as a doctor who studied on Vulcan. It is inconceivable that a
> medical doctor trained on Vulcan would not be aware of pon farr.

It is? Do Vulcans consider pon farr a medical condition to be treated,
or a normal part of life to be shared between mates?

<Snip>

> The character of T'Pau is, ironically, the source of one of the very
> earliest canon-violation controversies involving Enterprise. When the
> series was first announced, it was stated that Archer's first officer
> would be a younger version of T'Pau, leading some fans to accuse the
> producers of violating elements of "Amok Time" (even though there is
> nothing in that episode to suggest T'Pau had no previous dealings with
> Earth). This controversy was defused prior to production when the
> writers decided to create a new character, T'Pol, instead.
>

T'Pau was changed to T'Pol to avoid paying royalties to Sturgeon's
estate. Same thing turned Nick Locarno into Tom Paris.

<Snip>

> First contacts:
> .
> Borg:
> .
> Prior to "Regeneration" (ENT), one could be content to speculate
> that reports of the Borg by the El Aurians rescued in "Star Trek:
> Generations" were filed away someplace, since they did not have
> visual records, proof, or possibly even detailed explanations of the
> people who they fled from. But in "Regeneration", there is an
> abundance of photographs of Borg drones, which Commander Data
> should've produced when the Enterprise-D crew "first" encountered
> the Borg in "Q Who" (TNG). Moreover, Dr. Phlox's discovery in
> "Regeneration" (ENT) that omicron particles are harmful to the Borg
> nanoprobes was never mentioned in any of the "Star Trek: The Next
> Generation" or "Star Trek: Voyager" episodes featuring the Borg.
> Also, an episode of Voyager ("Raven") established that at least some in
> the Federation were aware of the Borg years prior to "Q Who".
>
> As Archer and his crew never learned the identity of the Borg, Data
> would have little reason to immediately suspect that the Borg were the
> same cybernetic creatures encountered by Archer two centuries earlier,

So if we don't know the exact name a species like humpbacked whales
call themselves, we can't store or retrieve information about them?

> thousands of light-years away. Moreover, the Borg encountered by the
> Enterprise-D in "Q, Who?" look somewhat different from the Borg
> encountered by Archer (this was due to more advanced makeup and
> prosthetic designs in "Regeneration"; but nevertheless, the Borg do
> appear quite different). "Regeneration" also reminds the audience that
> there are other cybernetic species in the known galaxy; Phlox mentions
> the Binars, which were introduced in season one of ST:TNG. It seems

Still, cybernetic species are apparently more rare than Security
Officers with survival instincts.

> very likely that after Picard's "first" encounter with the Borg,
> someone at Starfleet examined the data in their archives and concluded
> that the Borg did in fact visit Earth centuries earlier.
>

That would explain why in their future contacts they were prepared with
"omicron radiation" tech to combat the nanoprobes...

> It may be worth noting that there was never a single reference to Borg
> nanotechnology in any episode of ST:TNG. This element of Borg
> technology was retroactively "invented" in the feature film Star Trek:
> First Contact and later explored in detail in many episodes of Star
> Trek: Voyager. Moreover, Phlox's "cure" of the assimilation process
> contradicts nothing seen in ST:TNG or other episodes. In "The Best of
> Both Worlds," Doctor Crusher reverses Captain Picard's assimilation
> without much difficulty, leading some to speculate that she used
> techniques pioneered by Doctor Phlox.
>

Actually, she said it was a matter of surgery, not radiation
treatments. Phlox was using the radiation to prevent the nanites from
building the cyber pieces in his body; Picard had already had them
grown into his tissues.

> Some fans believe it is far-fetched to suggest that such a large amount
> of debris from the Borg sphere (destroyed in First Contact) could have
> gone unnoticed in the arctic for nearly a century. Moreover, they argue
> that it would be irresponsible for Captain Picard to leave the debris
> and the Borg corpses behind. However, the writers of the script for
> "Regeneration" (Mike Sussman and Phyllis Strong) have stated in a
> commentary for the upcoming DVD release of the second season that an
> early draft of the script indicated that the Borg debris was buried
> under the ice for approximately ninety years, and was uncovered by the
> movement of a glacier. This explanation was cut because of time
> considerations.

IIRC at least one shard of debris was sticking up many meters above the
ice.

> As for Picard's lack of action regarding the Borg
> debris: Riker stated that the Enterprise-E's long-range sensors were
> off-line when the ship arrived in the 21st Century. It's possible that
> Picard was unaware of the presence of the debris.

He skipped the lecture at Starfleet Academy about exploding ships
leaving clouds of debris.

<Snip>

> Julian Bashir (in DS9) openly questioned Section 31's methods, and
> there is plenty of on-screen evidence to suggest that Section 31's aim
> is ambiguous at best.

There is???????

> At no point did Bashir ever truly question
> Section 31's motives, only their methods. In episodes like "Inter Arma
> Enim Silent Leges" and "Extreme Measures", Bashir and Sloan are both
> quoted as saying that Section 31 is about preserving the Federation's
> existence, period. Section 31 has been consistently demonstrated
> throughout DS9 as a very cynical, realist intellegence agency when it
> came to dealing with other organizations, but that is it. Its
> demonstrated secrets are personal, political and strategic information
> and operations. It has never been demonstrated to withhold or having
> the inclination to withhold informations vital to Federation's
> continued existence. Since Section 31's dedication to its duty has
> never been shown to waver (ENT not withstanding), there is nothing to
> substantiate the theory that they would attempt to cover up human
> contact with a race as powerful and dangerous as the Borg. As a wave of
> Xenophobia spread over the Earth after the Xindi attack, and quite
> possibly the Earth/Romulan Wars, Section 31 may have had a very good
> reason to have hidden the existence of the Borg. Remember, later on
> Section 31 was to protect the interests of the Federation and the
> Federation Starfleet. Possibly to prevent a wave of panic on Earth is
> the reason that Section 31 hid the incident.
>

The Borg assimilated an alien ship in "Regeneration." There is no
reason to expect them to have any inclination to hide the incident.

> .
> Ferengi:
> .
> Issue: Archer's encounter with four Ferengi in "Acquisition"
> (ENT), directly contradicts "The Last Outpost" (TNG), which made it
> clear that Picard's encounter with them in that latter episode was
> the Federation's first.

No. "Last Outpost" made it clear that was our first *visual contact*
with the Ferengi... despite their sending privateer ships into
near-Earth sectors as early as the 22nd Century.

> Reply: DS9 and TNG clearly established that humans knew of the Ferengi
> before the events of "The Last Outpost." (According to The Art of Star
> Trek, the Ferengi were originally intended to be to TNG as Klingons
> were to TOS,

"You can fight a lamer villain than the Ferengi... but there wouldn't
be any point to it."

> resulting in a build-up of rumor and speculation about the
> race prior to their first appearance.) Although criticized by some, the
> official canon line is that the crew of the NX-01 never discovered -
> nor bothered to discover - the identity of their hijackers. Sloppy
> exploration protocol on the part of the NX-01 crew, perhaps - and the

Maybe Archer didn't want to explain why he simply let a pirate crew go
free to prey on other ships in the area?

<Snip>

> Female captains:
> .
> Issue: Enterprise challenged an interpretation of Trek canon with the
> episode "Home" in which it is revealed that a woman has been assigned
> to command the second Warp 5 starship, the Columbia. The TOS episode
> "Turnabout Intruder" included one of the most debated lines of dialogue
> in Trek history when Janice Lester says to Kirk "Your world of starship
> captains doesn't include women." The absence of any female commanders

To be fair, Dr. Lester was shown in that same ep to be crazier than a
Starfleet Admiral. It's no stretch to suppose she rationalized washing
out of Starfleet Academy on psychiatric grounds as some vast conspiracy
against persons with innie plumbing.

<Snip>

*****
The Joker in the Eeeeeeevil Cabal Deck of Cards.

OZ: So... do you guys steal weapons from the Army a lot?

WILLOW: Well, we don't get cable, so we have to make our own fun.

[David E. Powell]

Bozo sed:

> At no point did Bashir ever truly question
> Section 31's motives, only their methods. In episodes like "Inter Arma
> Enim Silent Leges" and "Extreme Measures", Bashir and Sloan are both
> quoted as saying that Section 31 is about preserving the Federation's
> existence, period. Section 31 has been consistently demonstrated
> throughout DS9 as a very cynical, realist intellegence agency when it
> came to dealing with other organizations, but that is it. Its
> demonstrated secrets are personal, political and strategic information
> and operations. It has never been demonstrated to withhold or having
> the inclination to withhold informations vital to Federation's
> continued existence. Since Section 31's dedication to its duty has
> never been shown to waver (ENT not withstanding), there is nothing to
> substantiate the theory that they would attempt to cover up human
> contact with a race as powerful and dangerous as the Borg. As a wave of
> Xenophobia spread over the Earth after the Xindi attack, and quite
> possibly the Earth/Romulan Wars, Section 31 may have had a very good
> reason to have hidden the existence of the Borg. Remember, later on
> Section 31 was to protect the interests of the Federation and the
> Federation Starfleet. Possibly to prevent a wave of panic on Earth is
> the reason that Section 31 hid the incident.

The Borg assimilated an alien ship in "Regeneration." There is no
reason to expect them to have any inclination to hide the incident.

>>>>>Word. It's not like "Hey, some enemy is attacking us! For the safety of all the people, let's cover it up and not tell the military either!."

Ent. continuity errors seemed a deliberate hobby.

[Maureen Goldman]

>"Bozo the Evil Klown" <Evilk...@aol.com> wrote:

>Also "Amok Time," where we see that Vulcan children are melded as part
>of marriage arrangements among their families.

The mating link didn't seem at all the same as a mind meld.

[Bozo the Evil Klown]

Lots42 wrote:

> Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
>
> > Part of this was also what was acceptable on TV during the various eras
> > the shows were produced. TOS phasers could disintegrate a target, thus
> > sparing the audience the sight of dead bodies. By TNG it was rather
> > more common to simply set phasers on "singe."
>

> In one of the many Trek novels, it is said that once the Kirk-era
> 'destroy the body' pistols fell out of use, the incidents of people
> setting their phasers on kill went down. It was thought that if you had
> to see the body you singed to death, you ain't gonna do it as much.

Did they say *why* the 23rd Century phasers went out of style? People
found it more convenient to leave dead bodies around to trip over? In
a firefight people didn't want to have such a powerful beam weapon on
their side??

>
> (Of course, we all know that telling the actor to fall down is much
> cheaper then CGI of his body coming apart).
>

They could afford disintegration on the budget of a '60s TV show.

>
> > > It should be noted, however, that "A Matter of Time" does not establish
> > > the exact calendar year in which Rasmussen travelled from the 22nd
> > > Century. "Broken Bow", which takes place at the mid-point of the
> > > century, 2151, introduces "phase pistols" as a brand-new innovation (as
> > > evidenced by the fact Archer is not familiar with them). If Rasmussen
> > > originated from the pre-2151 era, then he wouldn't have any knowledge
> > > of phasers.
> >
> >
> > Archer not being familiar with them is hardly conclusive evidence; he
> > was never the sharpest pattern in the transporter buffer.
>

> All those beatings and prison sentences didn't help Archer's IQ. I
> swear, the man had an S&M fetish.
>

Must have confused an entire generation or three of aliens: They hear
tales of how easy it is to beat up on these weakling, punching-bag
hoo-mons... then the next one they meet up with is Kirk.

> > IIRC the holodeck tech was shared with the Klingons, which would in
> > fact explain why Klingons don't seem to have made much (if any)
> > technological progress in the next centuryy or two. The noted futurist
> > philospher Scott Adams has opined that the holodeck would be the last
> > thing mankind ever invents.
>

> That, or it's hard to progress technologically when your best and
> brightest keep slaughtering each other over matters of 'honor'.
>

"You invented a faster warp drive than the honorable warp core my
father designed??? I certainly hope your entrails will enjoy the new
sense of freedom they're about to experience!!!"

>
> > <Snip>
> > > Pon farr:
> > > .
> > > Issue: Numerous members of Archer's crew, including Archer himself,
> > > Commander Trip Tucker, Lieutenant Reed, and Dr. Phlox, have had
> > > numerous conversations in which they learned of the Vulcan mating cycle
> > > pon farr in episodes including "Fusion" (ENT), "Fallen Hero"
> > > (ENT), "Two Days and Two Nights" (ENT), and "Bounty" (ENT), yet
> > > fans alleged that no one, including Dr. McCoy, had any knowledge of it
> > > in "Amok Time" (TOS).
> >
> >
> > Well, we've seen that keeping records was *not* what the Medium E crew
> > did best.
>

> Or even keeping SANE. The cook's room turned out to be full of
> technological wonders from beyond space-time and they what...put a lock
> on it. Then they go get the ship taken over by the Alien Of The Week.
> Way to go, Archer, hand the enemies of Earth a room full of time travel
> devices. No wonder the Vulcans looked down on humans.

You'd think that an alien race sending a planet-killer to reduce Earth
into planetoid mcnuggets would inspire them to look through the future
tech.

>
> > > Reply: This is another example of fanon violation as TOS established a
> > > human character (Dr. M'Benga) who joins the NCC-1701 crew later in the
> > > series as a doctor who studied on Vulcan. It is inconceivable that a
> > > medical doctor trained on Vulcan would not be aware of pon farr.
> >
> >
> > It is? Do Vulcans consider pon farr a medical condition to be treated,
> > or a normal part of life to be shared between mates?
>

> "Hey, how come every seven years you guys get uppity and weird?"
> "Flu."
> "Okay. I accept that."
>

I wonder if young, unmarried Vulcans beat off to (perfectly logical, or
course) pr0n magazines and videos?

>
> > <Snip>
> > > First contacts:
> > > .
> > > Borg:

> > > Moreover, Dr. Phlox's discovery in
> > > "Regeneration" (ENT) that omicron particles are harmful to the Borg
> > > nanoprobes was never mentioned in any of the "Star Trek: The Next
> > > Generation" or "Star Trek: Voyager" episodes featuring the Borg.
>

> For 'Voyager', that's easy to explain. Borg adapt all the time, so they
> had in the files that omicron handwavium don't work on 'em anymore.
>

Actually, on Vger the Borg became more stupid and less capable and
powerful each time they were on. By the finale I can't see the entire
Collective being any match for Inspector Frank Drebin.

>
> > > Some fans believe it is far-fetched to suggest that such a large amount
> > > of debris from the Borg sphere (destroyed in First Contact) could have
> > > gone unnoticed in the arctic for nearly a century. Moreover, they argue
> > > that it would be irresponsible for Captain Picard to leave the debris
> > > and the Borg corpses behind. However, the writers of the script for
> > > "Regeneration" (Mike Sussman and Phyllis Strong) have stated in a
> > > commentary for the upcoming DVD release of the second season that an
> > > early draft of the script indicated that the Borg debris was buried
> > > under the ice for approximately ninety years, and was uncovered by the
> > > movement of a glacier. This explanation was cut because of time
> > > considerations.
> >
> >
> > IIRC at least one shard of debris was sticking up many meters above the
> > ice.
>

> One shard of debris, on a huge damn planet. OH NOES!
>

Our current orbital recon tech allows us to see objects well smaller
than one meter. This fin sticking up was substantially *larger* than a
meter.

> > > As for Picard's lack of action regarding the Borg
> > > debris: Riker stated that the Enterprise-E's long-range sensors were
> > > off-line when the ship arrived in the 21st Century. It's possible that
> > > Picard was unaware of the presence of the debris.
> >
> >
> > He skipped the lecture at Starfleet Academy about exploding ships
> > leaving clouds of debris.
>

> Atmosphere burns up shit.
>

Shit, yes, but metal alloys and *even lighter* elements can survive
re-entry, as the Shuttle Columbia demonstrated a couple of years ago
over Texas.

>
>
> > > > > Ferengi:
> > > .
> > > Issue: Archer's encounter with four Ferengi in "Acquisition"
> > > (ENT), directly contradicts "The Last Outpost" (TNG), which made it
> > > clear that Picard's encounter with them in that latter episode was
> > > the Federation's first.
> >
> >
> > No. "Last Outpost" made it clear that was our first *visual contact*
> > with the Ferengi... despite their sending privateer ships into
> > near-Earth sectors as early as the 22nd Century.
>

> Don't forget the face-to-face contact in 1941.
>

The Cigarette Smoking Man disappeared all the witnesses.

[Lots42]

Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:

> Lots42 wrote:

> > In one of the many Trek novels, it is said that once the Kirk-era
> > 'destroy the body' pistols fell out of use, the incidents of people
> > setting their phasers on kill went down. It was thought that if you had
> > to see the body you singed to death, you ain't gonna do it as much.
>
>
> Did they say *why* the 23rd Century phasers went out of style? People
> found it more convenient to leave dead bodies around to trip over? In
> a firefight people didn't want to have such a powerful beam weapon on
> their side??

'Out of sight, out of mind'. If you can zap your enemies and they
vanish, hey now, let's zap some more. If you zap your enemies and they
fall over and piss and crap like all dead bodies do, you're gonna flip
that selector over to stun more often then not.

> >
> > (Of course, we all know that telling the actor to fall down is much
> > cheaper then CGI of his body coming apart).
> >
>
>
> They could afford disintegration on the budget of a '60s TV show.

Early TNG had three weirdos disintegrated. Layers vanished. You even
got to see skeleton.

And Kirk-Era disintegration looked stupid.

Anywho, that's why the camera usually pans away before Buffy stakes a
vampire. Saving money is saving money.

>
>
> I wonder if young, unmarried Vulcans beat off to (perfectly logical, or
> course) pr0n magazines and videos?

Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.

> > For 'Voyager', that's easy to explain. Borg adapt all the time, so they
> > had in the files that omicron handwavium don't work on 'em anymore.
> >
>
>
> Actually, on Vger the Borg became more stupid and less capable and
> powerful each time they were on. By the finale I can't see the entire
> Collective being any match for Inspector Frank Drebin.

Bah. Voyager, stuck out in the middle of Ass-End Nowhere, integrated
all the tech it could get it's hands on.

"Hey, Torres, we found this old energy cannon that can punch through a
Shield Matrix like Chakotay's urine stream through a urinal cake."
"Cool. Won't take us more then an hour to put that thing on the prow.
Janeway's gonna wanna blast some asteroids to shit with this baby."

> > One shard of debris, on a huge damn planet. OH NOES!
> >
>
>
> Our current orbital recon tech allows us to see objects well smaller
> than one meter. This fin sticking up was substantially *larger* than a
> meter.

So? Earth is big. So they had a picture of some metal. OH GOD NO
CONTINUITY ERROR KILL EVERYTHING

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:

>Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.

Of course it was non-canon. The canon Star Trek era has cured
homosexuality.

**
Captain Infinity

[The Merry Piper]

On 14 Aug 2005 18:16:53 -0700, "Lots42" <lot...@gmail.com> wrote:

>And Kirk-Era disintegration looked stupid.

It looked pretty good to me.

--
The Merry Piper
[http://tmpiper.livejournal.com]
If you want to dance, you'll have to pay ... me!

[Lots42]

Nonsense. Jadzia Dax is as bisexual as it comes.

And I'm ninety percent certain that 'Mosaic' the Voyager novel is in
canon and it had a flamingly gay couple.

P.S. Speaking of out of canon gay Trek, the Starfleet Academy has one
so cute gay crush as part of the plot.

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:

>Captain Infinity wrote:
>> Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:
>>
>> >Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.
>>
>> Of course it was non-canon. The canon Star Trek era has cured
>> homosexuality.
>

>Nonsense. Jadzia Dax is as bisexual as it comes.

Dax is an alien. Aliens don't count. Aliens fuck *aliens* for crying
out loud!

>And I'm ninety percent certain that 'Mosaic' the Voyager novel is in
>canon and it had a flamingly gay couple.

None of the novels are canon. Only what's on the screen is canon. And,
in fact, not even all of that is canon. STV, for instance, is totally
apocryphal. And, in fact, the entire Voyager series is non-canon.

That's right, I declare Voyager non-canon. It was just a fucking
fever-dream, a nightmare, the unfortunate result of some bad hash
brownies eaten just before bedtime.

That's it and that's that and don't bother arguing about it.

>P.S. Speaking of out of canon gay Trek, the Starfleet Academy has one
>so cute gay crush as part of the plot.

Starfleet Academy is non-canon. That's right, I'm on a roll. What else
do you want to toss at me, fanboy?

**
Captain Infinity

[Kweeg]

"Captain Infinity" <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in message
news:kbb2g1h5gv1mkpm9m...@4ax.com...

> Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:
>
> >Captain Infinity wrote:
> >> Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:
> >>
> >> >Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.
> >>
> >> Of course it was non-canon. The canon Star Trek era has cured
> >> homosexuality.
> >
> >Nonsense. Jadzia Dax is as bisexual as it comes.
>
> Dax is an alien. Aliens don't count. Aliens fuck *aliens* for crying
> out loud!
>
> >And I'm ninety percent certain that 'Mosaic' the Voyager novel is in
> >canon and it had a flamingly gay couple.
>
> None of the novels are canon. Only what's on the screen is canon. And,
> in fact, not even all of that is canon. STV, for instance, is totally
> apocryphal. And, in fact, the entire Voyager series is non-canon.
>
> That's right, I declare Voyager non-canon. It was just a fucking
> fever-dream, a nightmare, the unfortunate result of some bad hash
> brownies eaten just before bedtime.
>
> That's it and that's that and don't bother arguing about it.

No argument, you're just wrong about STV unfortunately you're wrong about
Voyager too.

--

Qa'pla
Kweeg
Ten of Canadian Clubs in the Eeeevil Trek Cabal
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
"Half a gallon a'scotch!" Scotty

[ANIM8Rfsk]

in article kbb2g1h5gv1mkpm9m...@4ax.com, Captain Infinity at
Infi...@captaininfinity.us wrote on 8/15/05 5:14 PM:

> Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:
>
>> Captain Infinity wrote:
>>> Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.
>>>
>>> Of course it was non-canon. The canon Star Trek era has cured
>>> homosexuality.
>>
>> Nonsense. Jadzia Dax is as bisexual as it comes.
>
> Dax is an alien. Aliens don't count. Aliens fuck *aliens* for crying
> out loud!
>
>> And I'm ninety percent certain that 'Mosaic' the Voyager novel is in
>> canon and it had a flamingly gay couple.
>
> None of the novels are canon. Only what's on the screen is canon.

Mosaic *was* canon. Jeri Taylor, while she was in power, declared her crap
novels canon. The instant she was gone, the remaining writing staff started
putting in contradictions to her crap to un-canonize it.

And,
> in fact, not even all of that is canon. STV, for instance, is totally
> apocryphal. And, in fact, the entire Voyager series is non-canon.
>
> That's right, I declare Voyager non-canon. It was just a fucking
> fever-dream, a nightmare, the unfortunate result of some bad hash
> brownies eaten just before bedtime.
>
> That's it and that's that and don't bother arguing about it.
>
>> P.S. Speaking of out of canon gay Trek, the Starfleet Academy has one
>> so cute gay crush as part of the plot.
>
> Starfleet Academy is non-canon. That's right, I'm on a roll. What else
> do you want to toss at me, fanboy?

Enterprise
>
>
> **
> Captain Infinity

--

You Can't Stop the Signal

[Lots42]

Captain Infinity wrote:

> >Nonsense. Jadzia Dax is as bisexual as it comes.
>
> Dax is an alien. Aliens don't count. Aliens fuck *aliens* for crying
> out loud!

Jadzia is a FEMALE you blathering nincompoop.

> >And I'm ninety percent certain that 'Mosaic' the Voyager novel is in
> >canon and it had a flamingly gay couple.
>
> None of the novels are canon. Only what's on the screen is canon.

Nonsense. Jeri Taylor wrote 'Mosaic'. She also produced a million
episodes of Voyager. If she wants to say 'Mosaic' is canon, she can.

> >P.S. Speaking of out of canon gay Trek, the Starfleet Academy has one
> >so cute gay crush as part of the plot.
>
> Starfleet Academy is non-canon. That's right, I'm on a roll. What else
> do you want to toss at me, fanboy?

I -SAID- 'Academy' was non-canon. Are you even trying to be sane, you
gibbering nancy-pants?

[Maureen Goldman]

>ANIM8Rfsk <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote:

>Mosaic *was* canon. Jeri Taylor, while she was in power, declared her crap
>novels canon. The instant she was gone, the remaining writing staff started
>putting in contradictions to her crap to un-canonize it.

Mosaic was canon for the writers of the series in providing background
information for Voyager and some of the characters - they weren't to
contradict anything in it. For the purpose of fan discussion, though,
canon is only what we see on the screen. The episodes don't go away as
the result of a change of administration.

[Captain Infinity]

Once Upon A Time Lots42 wrote:

>Captain Infinity wrote:
>
>> >Nonsense. Jadzia Dax is as bisexual as it comes.
>>
>> Dax is an alien. Aliens don't count. Aliens fuck *aliens* for crying
>> out loud!
>
>Jadzia is a FEMALE you blathering nincompoop.

A female ALIEN. An ALIEN. Do try to keep up, I'm typing as slow as I
can, just for you.

>> >And I'm ninety percent certain that 'Mosaic' the Voyager novel is in
>> >canon and it had a flamingly gay couple.
>>
>> None of the novels are canon. Only what's on the screen is canon.
>
>Nonsense. Jeri Taylor wrote 'Mosaic'. She also produced a million
>episodes of Voyager. If she wants to say 'Mosaic' is canon, she can.

Bullshit. The novels are not canon. Voyager is not canon. Jeri Taylor
should be *shot* from a cannon.

>> >P.S. Speaking of out of canon gay Trek, the Starfleet Academy has one
>> >so cute gay crush as part of the plot.
>>
>> Starfleet Academy is non-canon. That's right, I'm on a roll. What else
>> do you want to toss at me, fanboy?
>
>I -SAID- 'Academy' was non-canon. Are you even trying to be sane, you
>gibbering nancy-pants?

I don't care *what* you say, you empty-headed animal food-trough wiper,
Starfleet Academy is *not* canon.

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.

**
Captain Infinity

[ANIM8Rfsk]

in article ggq2g152uner889e1...@4ax.com, Maureen Goldman at
inksl...@FOGsunshine.net wrote on 8/15/05 10:05 PM:

But if they contradict other aspects of the books with on-air info, then the
books themselves fall out of canon, which was the intention -- to de-canon,
discredit, and dishonor Jeri Taylor, which is frankly way too good for her.

[Lots42]

ANIM8Rfsk wrote:

> Mosaic *was* canon. Jeri Taylor, while she was in power, declared her crap
> novels canon. The instant she was gone, the remaining writing staff started
> putting in contradictions to her crap to un-canonize it.

While Jeri Taylor failed at Voyager TV, her novels were interesting.
One of the many things she did write re: Novels was have the expendable
trained officers demonstrate that they were, in fact, trained. In other
words, the redshirts weren't morons like Picard's were.

[Bozo the Evil Klown]

Lots42 wrote:
> Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
> > Lots42 wrote:
>
> > > In one of the many Trek novels, it is said that once the Kirk-era
> > > 'destroy the body' pistols fell out of use, the incidents of people
> > > setting their phasers on kill went down. It was thought that if you had
> > > to see the body you singed to death, you ain't gonna do it as much.
> >
> >
> > Did they say *why* the 23rd Century phasers went out of style? People
> > found it more convenient to leave dead bodies around to trip over? In
> > a firefight people didn't want to have such a powerful beam weapon on
> > their side??
>
> 'Out of sight, out of mind'. If you can zap your enemies and they
> vanish, hey now, let's zap some more. If you zap your enemies and they
> fall over and piss and crap like all dead bodies do, you're gonna flip
> that selector over to stun more often then not.
>

I get that happening *after* the switch to the Picard-era Norelco
phasers; I was wondering what prompted the switch in the first place.

> > >
> > > (Of course, we all know that telling the actor to fall down is much
> > > cheaper then CGI of his body coming apart).
> > >
> >
> >
> > They could afford disintegration on the budget of a '60s TV show.
>
> Early TNG had three weirdos disintegrated. Layers vanished. You even
> got to see skeleton.
>

Like the green disintegration energy-blobs the Martians were shooting
in Pal's "War of the Worlds."

> And Kirk-Era disintegration looked stupid.
>

Only the wino in "City on the Edge of Forever." Guess they lucked out
that he didn't have much effect on history.

> Anywho, that's why the camera usually pans away before Buffy stakes a
> vampire. Saving money is saving money.
>

I always thought they panned away in case Buffy the Vampire Layer got
confused about her job description. Again.

>
> >
> >
> > I wonder if young, unmarried Vulcans beat off to (perfectly logical, or
> > course) pr0n magazines and videos?
>
> Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.
>

How very very gay could he be when it would only ever matter once every
seven years?

> > > For 'Voyager', that's easy to explain. Borg adapt all the time, so they
> > > had in the files that omicron handwavium don't work on 'em anymore.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Actually, on Vger the Borg became more stupid and less capable and
> > powerful each time they were on. By the finale I can't see the entire
> > Collective being any match for Inspector Frank Drebin.
>
> Bah. Voyager, stuck out in the middle of Ass-End Nowhere, integrated
> all the tech it could get it's hands on.
>

Did they?? Their weapons (until the finale) were always the standard
Fed phasers and torpedos. I remember after Seven joined up Janeway
actually ordered B'Elanna to strip off all that high tech Borg defense
systems from Voyager's hull.

> "Hey, Torres, we found this old energy cannon that can punch through a
> Shield Matrix like Chakotay's urine stream through a urinal cake."
> "Cool. Won't take us more then an hour to put that thing on the prow.
> Janeway's gonna wanna blast some asteroids to shit with this baby."
>

No. Janeway would have to wait until the asteroids had bashed
Voyager's shields down to 47% before she'd even consider returning
fire.

>
> > > One shard of debris, on a huge damn planet. OH NOES!
> > >
> >
> >
> > Our current orbital recon tech allows us to see objects well smaller
> > than one meter. This fin sticking up was substantially *larger* than a
> > meter.
>
> So? Earth is big. So they had a picture of some metal. OH GOD NO
> CONTINUITY ERROR KILL EVERYTHING

So with two seconds of *thinking* about their story they could have had
the bodies and any extraneous debris just barely sticking up through
the ice, which would make it *believable* that they had only just been
found.

[Lots42]

Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
> Lots42 wrote:

> Only the wino in "City on the Edge of Forever." Guess they lucked out
> that he didn't have much effect on history.

In a Trek short story collection, he rescued a little girl who was lost
in the city. Then insane McCoy caused his death.

> > >
> > >
> > > I wonder if young, unmarried Vulcans beat off to (perfectly logical, or
> > > course) pr0n magazines and videos?
> >
> > Non-canon 'Star Trek: New Frontier' had a very, very gay male Vulcan.
> >
>
>
> How very very gay could he be when it would only ever matter once every
> seven years?

Matter? Spock's daddy had a very loving (for Vulcans) relationship with
his human wives.

> > Bah. Voyager, stuck out in the middle of Ass-End Nowhere, integrated
> > all the tech it could get it's hands on.
> >
>
>
> Did they?? Their weapons (until the finale) were always the standard
> Fed phasers and torpedos. I remember after Seven joined up Janeway
> actually ordered B'Elanna to strip off all that high tech Borg defense
> systems from Voyager's hull.

How odd. Maybe I missed that episode. I have seen Janeway use powerful
weapons to destroy the fuck out of a Borg probe ship.

[Bozo the Evil Klown]

Lots42 wrote:
> Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
> > Lots42 wrote:
>

<Snip>

> > > Bah. Voyager, stuck out in the middle of Ass-End Nowhere, integrated
> > > all the tech it could get it's hands on.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Did they?? Their weapons (until the finale) were always the standard
> > Fed phasers and torpedos. I remember after Seven joined up Janeway
> > actually ordered B'Elanna to strip off all that high tech Borg defense
> > systems from Voyager's hull.
>
> How odd. Maybe I missed that episode. I have seen Janeway use powerful
> weapons to destroy the fuck out of a Borg probe ship.

That was the finale, when they used tech Admiral Janeway brought back
from their future to trash a few Battlecubes.

During the regular run they destroyed two Borg ships: In the beginning
of "Darn Frontier" they beamed a standard warhead onto the attacking
Borg Slab, and in the end of "Child's Play" they beamed a warhead onto
a ship that was being taken inside of a Sphere.

[redhawk]

"Bozo the Evil Klown" <Evilk...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1124311655.1...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>
> Lots42 wrote:
>> Bozo the Evil Klown wrote:
>> > Lots42 wrote:
>>
> <Snip>
>> > > Bah. Voyager, stuck out in the middle of Ass-End Nowhere, integrated
>> > > all the tech it could get it's hands on.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Did they?? Their weapons (until the finale) were always the standard
>> > Fed phasers and torpedos. I remember after Seven joined up Janeway
>> > actually ordered B'Elanna to strip off all that high tech Borg defense
>> > systems from Voyager's hull.
>>
>> How odd. Maybe I missed that episode. I have seen Janeway use powerful
>> weapons to destroy the fuck out of a Borg probe ship.
>
>
> That was the finale, when they used tech Admiral Janeway brought back
> from their future to trash a few Battlecubes.
>
> During the regular run they destroyed two Borg ships: In the beginning
> of "Darn Frontier" they beamed a standard warhead onto the attacking
> Borg Slab, and in the end of "Child's Play" they beamed a warhead onto
> a ship that was being taken inside of a Sphere.

Also, in "Drone," Seven's super-Borg offspring "One" boarded a sphere and
destroyed it.