Nightly Newsgroups Chats
Dale
newsgroup Chat just may be to your liking. We start a 9:30 pm ESDT USA Every
night and it goes to when ever.
We're at:
spynx.dwarfstar.net - #stngs
irc.dwarfstar.net - #stngs
--
Have Fun,
Dale
Park Place on life's Monopoly Board
ToolPackinMama
>
> Do you like interesting people and conversation?
Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
(IMHO)
:)
Dale
Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't mean no
one else will.
I challenge you to come to our chat, Laura.
ToolPackinMama
> Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't mean no
> one else will.
Just cos the people in the clique think they are interesting doesn't
meant that anybody else will think that they are. After all, we have
already gotten a sample of the wit available in the NGs.
Confidentially, it ain't much.
Dale
Then come to chat prove it?
Brenda
"Dale" <hip...@takeout.earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9U7xc.6096$uX2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> Do you like interesting people and conversation? Then the nightly Star
Trek
> newsgroup Chat just may be to your liking. We start a 9:30 pm ESDT USA
Every
> night and it goes to when ever.
Actually we've been known to start whenever the mood hits. ;)
I remember some afternoon chats last year during the summer months.
Room is filling up again, which is a good thing. Regular's lives are slowing
down enough they can drop by and it's great to see so many new people
coming in!!
Brenda
"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
news:40C51232...@lauragoodwin.org...
And you would know this from what experience?
Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
But don't believe for one minute that you're convincing anyone in the NG
cause you aren't.
ToolPackinMama
>
> Fearing Nothing ToolPackinMama proudly proclaimed
> > Dale wrote:
> >
> >> Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't
> >> mean no one else will.
> >
> > Just cos the people in the clique think they are interesting doesn't
> > meant that anybody else will think that they are. After all, we have
> > already gotten a sample of the wit available in the NGs.
> >
> > Confidentially, it ain't much.
>
> Then come to chat prove it?
I can understand why people there would want me to come, but why in
heaven's name would I want to go?
ToolPackinMama
> Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
I don't, and I won't.
Brenda
> Brenda wrote:
>
> > Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
>
> I don't, and I won't.
Fine!
Then end your obsession over them and get on with your own interests.
The chats are for the Star Trek NG's. Science fiction is discussed in the
chats
as well as a number of other topics. They are open. You choose to sit and
whine
like a lil girl with your nose outta joint, others choose to join in the
conversation.
Live and let live. Let it go.
Skippy The Wonder Squid
"kebbek" <kebe...@aol.comtrack> wrote in message
news:20040607212842...@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >"Brenda" nos...@guess.com wrote:
> >Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
> >But don't believe for one minute that you're convincing anyone in the NG
> >cause you aren't.
>
you are
> wrong. TPM is convincing people.
>
>
> --
> "Tell people something they know already and they will thank you for it.
Tell
> them something new and they will hate you for it."
> Air Rational Guard: http://www.airamericaradio.com
Your shameless promotion of AirAmericaRadio goes a long way to explain why
you are easily convinced by the likes of LaLa. If the skank asked you to
remove what's left of your frontal lobes, would you do it?
Skippy
ToolPackinMama
Hey Skippy The Wonder Squid, didn't you used to go by "Squirts The
Ejaculating Groundhog"? Aren't you angry at me because I wouldn't let
you post just any garbage you wanted to, here (see link)?
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/ent-ng.html
Isn't your fury directed at me because of the fact that I restricted the
crap you wanted to post on MY web site? Aren't you just a troll, and a
NG bully, who is basically holding a silly grudge?
Shouldn't people with a lick of sense simply ignore you? I say, YES.
ToolPackinMama
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:40C5173D...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > Brenda wrote:
> >
> > > Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
> >
> > I don't, and I won't.
>
> Fine!
> Then end your obsession over them and get on with your own interests.
LOL
Get out of the TOS NG. All of Y'all. Just Do It.
Dale
Why usenet is for everyone, if you don't want to read the post then don't.
ToolPackinMama
> Why usenet is for everyone
Including your critics. :)
kev
about...
I'll type it slowly so that even you, a dominatrix, will be sure to
understand.
No.
kev
--
Civilization.
An organized system of alternatives to the stone age - CJCherryh
The Eeeevil Cabal's Nine of Spades
Declared Hero of alt.tv.star-trek.tos by the ToolPackinMama on 14.09.2003
Deliverer of the Comfy Pillow
Brad Filippone
: Fearing Nothing ToolPackinMama proudly proclaimed
: > Dale wrote:
: >>
: >> Do you like interesting people and conversation?
: >
: > Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
: >
: > (IMHO)
: >
: > :)
: Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't mean no
: one else will.
the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when it's
filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her, just
because she has a brain and is not afraid to use it?
Brad
kev
about...
In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
be her toady?
Dan McGarvey
Ok, I can't stay quiet about this any longer.
Waaaaay back when I was a newbie around here, I noticed something. I saw
that there was one group of people over on this side who seemed to passing
snarky comments to a group of people over on this other side, who
reciprocated in kind. Both sides seemed to be 100% convinced that the
people on the opposing side are a cluster of irredeemable kooks who must be
discredited at all costs. I came to the conclusion that neither side was
correct.
So I decided to strike up relations with "representatives" of both. In
doing so I have been rewarded with several new friendships. I attend chat
regularly. I doubt too many here would peg me as the sort of person that
you tend to characterize IRC types as. Now this goes for the whole freaking
lot of ya...
Here's my take: for one thing, what can possibly be gained from these feeble
attempts to discredit each other? What does someone possibly hope to
achieve by proving (s)he's a better person than some stranger over in Peoria
that (s)he knows and judges solely on the basis of a couple of paragraphs,
if that? Fame? Glory? A place in Sto'vo'kor? What's so difficult about
taking a petty snipe at face value, taking a deep breath, tossing back a
scotch and letting it go? I make decisions: if I see that someone adds
absolutely nothing to the newsgroup in terms of discussion or interpersonal
relationships, into ye olde killfile they go. When I see a thread has
devolved to the point of pointless sniping, or holds nothing of interest for
me personally, it gets ignored. By doing this I'm assured of a longer,
happier, healthier lifestyle, because anger and hatred just isn't good for
the soul, y'know? I don't have to like StarDork's politics. I don't have
to like Merrick's ubersnarking. What I don't like I choose not to respond
to, because I know that I will gain nothing, and my opinion of a single
person will not, in any way, shape, or form, sway or alter others'
perceptions of them, so why bother? If someone's an asshole, they're an
asshole solely on their own merits; they sure as hell don't need my
endorsement.
Laura, I like you. It has nothing to do with who you are or your lifestyle
or your actions on this board or anywhere else. I simply chose to like you,
because it's a hell of a lot easier than the alternative. Here's an
abridged list of other people on here I choose to like:
Steve Christianson
Louis M. Brown
Wickeddoll
Gisele (wherever the hell she went)
Merrick Baldelli
Ta
Brenda
Dale
(The rest of you, I said "abridged" list. Don't get all uppity.)
You have decided that I'm worth talking to, and so have they. So I must be
doing something right. This is just how I do business. I chose to get to
know them as people, and I chose to do that because I saw what others said
about them and chose to decide for myself what kind of people they are. I
discovered that they're all unique individuals who have friends, families,
jobs, loves, problems, and passions. I've been rewarded for my efforts a
hundred times over. Does Steve push my buttons sometimes? You don't know
the half of it! Do I think he's a vile subhuman creature because of his
demeanor? No. Have I always agreed or gotten along with Nat? No. And yet
somehow we still manage to maintain a friendship. (How DOES he do it!??)
Do I hate? Yes. I hate pettiness. I hate pretension and egoism. I hate
it in myself and I hate it in others. But hating the actual person? Why
give that much of myself? If someone wants to give me a pile of shit, they
can put it in my killfile. Have I lost my cool at times? A simple google
search can show that I have on several occasions. That same google search
can also show that, more often than not, I've calmed down and offered a
truce or apology. Perfect I isn't, but I at least try to have a conscience
about how I treat others, whatever my personal opinion of them.
I don't pretend that I'm going to single-handedly abolish the years of bad
blood around here, but I'd like to think that whenever I talk about this,
I'm speaking to both sides and if it makes one person re-think posting that
one flame that sparks a flame thread that spans generations, then I've done
some good.
I now shall announce my intention to go make a root beer float.
Dan
ToolPackinMama
>
> On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by Brad Filippone's opinion
> about...
>
> > Dale (hip...@takeout.earthlink.net) wrote:
> >: Fearing Nothing ToolPackinMama proudly proclaimed
> >: > Dale wrote:
> >: >>
> >: >> Do you like interesting people and conversation?
> >: >
> >: > Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
> >: >
> >: > (IMHO)
> >: >
> >: > :)
> >
> >: Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't
> >: mean no one else will.
> >
> > the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when
> > it's filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her,
> > just because she has a brain and is not afraid to use it?
> >
> > Brad
>
> In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
> be her toady?
Kev, has anyone told you lately that you are a NOT-NICE-PERSON? :)
ToolPackinMama
Thank you very much.
Brad Filippone
: On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by Brad Filippone's opinion
: about...
: > Dale (hip...@takeout.earthlink.net) wrote:
: >: Fearing Nothing ToolPackinMama proudly proclaimed
: >: > Dale wrote:
: >: >>
: >: >> Do you like interesting people and conversation?
: >: >
: >: > Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
: >: >
: >: > (IMHO)
: >: >
: >: > :)
: >
: >: Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't
: >: mean no one else will.
: >
: > the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when
: > it's filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her,
: > just because she has a brain and is not afraid to use it?
: >
: > Brad
: In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
: be her toady?
Nothing. It's a thing called friendship.
Brad
Laura Ware
Actually, I don't think the people reading the newsgroups need you to tell
them how to think, they are quite capable of making up their own minds.
You're not afraid of them doing that, are you?
kev
about...
So how much do you pay him? Or have you worked out a trade?
Laura Ware
What is the matter, hon, afraid you might have to rethink some
misperceptions?
kev
So she is paying you in alternate methods. Wouldn't it be safer (and
healthier) to pick up someone off the street?
Laura Ware
No.
And you have no right to make such a demand. It's NOT your newsgroup.
So now what?
Laura Ware
> Dale wrote:
>
> > Why usenet is for everyone
>
> Including your critics. :)
And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
Louis M. Brown
Filippone) wrote:
>Dale (hip...@takeout.earthlink.net) wrote:
>: Fearing Nothing ToolPackinMama proudly proclaimed
>: > Dale wrote:
>: >>
>: >> Do you like interesting people and conversation?
>: >
>: > Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
>: >
>: > (IMHO)
>: >
>: > :)
>
>: Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't mean no
>: one else will.
>
>the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when it's
>filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her,
....whom would be perfectly willing to let her discuss whatever she
wanted in the chat, provided she wasn't just there to start shit.
> just
>because she has a brain and is not afraid to use it?
Her brain has nothing to do with it. If you think like this, it's
pretty clear that you can't see the forest for the trees.
-LMB
Louis M. Brown
But...how could she exert control , then?
-LMB
ToolPackinMama
>
> kev (k...@erewhon.net) wrote:
> : In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
> : be her toady?
>
> Nothing. It's a thing called friendship.
It's a thing called love. Brad and I love each other.
ToolPackinMama
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:40C50BC9...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > Dale wrote:
> > >
> > > Do you like interesting people and conversation?
> >
> > Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
> >
> > (IMHO)
> >
> > :)
>
> Actually, I don't think the people reading the newsgroups need you to tell
> them how to think
Nor do they need you.
ToolPackinMama
>
> On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
> about...
>
> > kev wrote:
> >>
> >> On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by Brad Filippone's opinion
> >> about...
> >>
> >> > Dale (hip...@takeout.earthlink.net) wrote:
> >> >: Fearing Nothing ToolPackinMama proudly proclaimed
> >> >: > Dale wrote:
> >> >: >>
> >> >: >> Do you like interesting people and conversation?
> >> >: >
> >> >: > Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
> >> >: >
> >> >: > (IMHO)
> >> >: >
> >> >: > :)
> >> >
> >> >: Well just becasue you don't find some to them interesting doesn't
> >> >: mean no one else will.
> >> >
> >> > the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when
> >> > it's filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her,
> >> > just because she has a brain and is not afraid to use it?
> >> >
> >> > Brad
> >>
> >> In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
> >> be her toady?
> >
> > Kev, has anyone told you lately that you are a NOT-NICE-PERSON? :)
>
> So how much do you pay him? Or have you worked out a trade?
Kev, look at yourself, and at how low you will sink. Ask yourself, "For
What Cause?"
ToolPackinMama
> What is the matter, hon, afraid you might have to rethink some
> misperceptions?
Like what?
ToolPackinMama
Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and off
the net completely (and have failed).
FAILED.
ToolPackinMama
> Her brain has nothing to do with it.
So you say.
Laura Ware
So let's both of us let them make up their own minds, ok? :-)
Laura Ware
That we aren't nice people. :-) We are, Laura, it's a shame you won't come
to chat and see that for yourself.
ToolPackinMama
>
> On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 03:19:04 GMT, "Laura Ware"
> <bookwo...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> >news:40C50BC9...@lauragoodwin.org...
> >> Dale wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Do you like interesting people and conversation?
> >>
> >> Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
> >>
> >> (IMHO)
> >>
> >> :)
> >
> >Actually, I don't think the people reading the newsgroups need you to tell
> >them how to think, they are quite capable of making up their own minds.
FWIW, I might say the same to you and your "friends".
> >You're not afraid of them doing that, are you?
Hell, no.
> But...how could she exert control , then?
Good question. How exactly was I supposed to "exert control" in any
case in the first place? Do tell.
Brenda
> > > Brenda wrote:
> > >
> > > > Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
> > >
> > > I don't, and I won't.
> >
> > Fine!
> > Then end your obsession over them and get on with your own interests.
>
> LOL
>
> Get out of the TOS NG. All of Y'all. Just Do It.
Um
No
ToolPackinMama
Show me here, then I might believe it.
Laura Ware
Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
kev
I'm still comforted by the fact, that even in your private cesspool, I'll
still be looking down at you.
Brenda
"Laura Ware" <bookwo...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0Baxc.6347$uX2....@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
Well, there are 17 people in chat right now who seem to believe it is fun
and we are nice.
Another three have already departed for bed. Seems like chat is doing fine.
;)
>
>
ToolPackinMama
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:40C53554...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > Laura Ware wrote:
> > >
> > > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> > > news:40C527F3...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > > > Dale wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why usenet is for everyone
> > > >
> > > > Including your critics. :)
> > >
> > > And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
> >
> > Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and off
> > the net completely (and have failed).
> >
> > FAILED.
>
> Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
Anyone who has been participating in alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise from
the start has seen everything. For those who came late, email me for
details.
ToolPackinMama
> I'm still comforted by the fact, that even in your private cesspool, I'll
> still be looking down at you.
In your imagination, only.
kev
about...
> Laura Ware wrote:
Better yet, use your own brain and just google it for the entire,
unedited, details.
ToolPackinMama
> Well, there are 17 people in chat right now who seem to believe it is fun
> and we are nice.
Whoop-dee-doo. I got over 100 ppl in my Trek discussion group who think
I am nice. So bite me.
kev
about...
> kev wrote:
If it were my imagination at work, you would not be in it.
Darph Bobo
I'm in your group and you aren't nice at all. Spank me again, Mommy!
Kweeg
Geez Laura calm down, baiting people isn't a worthy pastime.
--
QaPla'
Kweeg
http://members.shaw.ca/iksbloodoath
Louis M. Brown
>On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
>about...
>
>> Laura Ware wrote:
>>>
>>> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>> news:40C53554...@lauragoodwin.org...
>>> > Laura Ware wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>> > > news:40C527F3...@lauragoodwin.org...
>>> > > > Dale wrote:
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Why usenet is for everyone
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Including your critics. :)
>>> > >
>>> > > And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
>>> >
>>> > Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and
>>> > off the net completely (and have failed).
>>> >
>>> > FAILED.
>>>
>>> Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
>>
>> Anyone who has been participating in alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise from
>> the start has seen everything. For those who came late, email me for
>> details.
>>
>
>Better yet, use your own brain and just google it for the entire,
>unedited, details.
>
>
>kev
Oh hell yea,
some threads for the curious:
"OH shut up"
"No really, shut up"
anything with the word "bullies" in the subject.
Hell, just google alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, and use Toolpackinmama
for the author... you'll see.
-LMB
ToolPackinMama
> I'm in your group and you aren't nice at all. Spank me again, Mommy!
LOL {{{hug}}}
ToolPackinMama
> If it were my imagination at work, you would not be in it.
:) Reality bites, eh, what? :)
ToolPackinMama
>
> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> news:40C53A81...@lauragoodwin.org...
> > Brenda wrote:
> >
> > > Well, there are 17 people in chat right now who seem to believe it is
> fun
> > > and we are nice.
> >
> > Whoop-dee-doo. I got over 100 ppl in my Trek discussion group who think
> > I am nice. So bite me.
>
> Geez Laura calm down, baiting people isn't a worthy pastime.
Yeah, maybe you are right.
ToolPackinMama
> Hell, just google alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, and use Toolpackinmama
> for the author... you'll see.
Google Louis M. Brown. Dare ya.
Darph Bobo
> Darph Bobo wrote:
>
> > I'm in your group and you aren't nice at all. Spank me again, Mommy!
>
> LOL {{{hug}}}
You really are a clooless skank.
Can you say RAW OWNAGE?
Sure, I knew you could.
kev
about...
> Kweeg wrote:
It's early June and Hell Has Frozen Over - The Tool admits she's a
baiting troll! WOOHOO!
kev
about...
> "Louis M. Brown" wrote:
Which has nothing to with your history - for which *you* are the
responsible party.
ToolPackinMama
ToolPackinMama
>
> On 08 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
> about...
>
> > "Louis M. Brown" wrote:
> >
> >> Hell, just google alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, and use Toolpackinmama
> >> for the author... you'll see.
> >
> > Google Louis M. Brown. Dare ya.
>
> Which has nothing to with your history - for which *you* are the
> responsible party.
Google kev's history. Dare ya.
Gordon aka (The Highlander)
The difference being IRC is live and real time, and your "discussion" group
is not, the readership/participation in thie group is pretty wide, are you
quoting ATSTE as yours? ;-)
Gordon aka (The Highlander)
> Laura Ware wrote:
> > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote
> > > Laura Ware wrote:
> > > > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote
> > > > > > Why usenet is for everyone
> > > > >
> > > > > Including your critics. :)
> > > >
> > > > And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
> > >
> > > Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and
off
> > > the net completely (and have failed).
> > >
> > > FAILED.
> >
> > Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
>
> Anyone who has been participating in alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise from
> the start has seen everything. For those who came late, email me for
> details.
Alternately look up Google for the truth, the messages are all in there. As
for those paricipating in ATSTE from the beginning seeing everything, yes we
have, how many of those folks do you think agree with your version of
events?
Folks, if you still have any doubt, don't take my word for it, or TPM's,
simply google the group and read away.
kev
Here's mine for all to see:
http://www.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8
&as_uauthors=k...@erewhon.net&lr=&hl=en
Post yours Laura. Dare ya.
Or should I do that for you? You have made so many, absolutely
enlightening, posts for people to gain insight into the *real* you.
Shall I post them?
Gordon aka (The Highlander)
> Laura Ware wrote:
> > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote
> > > Dale wrote:
> > > > Why usenet is for everyone
> > >
> > > Including your critics. :)
> >
> > And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
>
> Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and off
> the net completely (and have failed).
>
> FAILED.
Since this is a Trek group shouldn't that have been something like....
Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and like a
bad marksmak you keep on missing the target!
As far as I know no one has tried to remove you from the Net, as such,
though I am aware that a number of people filed TOS reports on you due to
your past actions, if that's what you are referring to, then perhaps, in the
interests of fair and balanced reporting you could just mention your part in
all this?
Gordon aka (The Highlander)
> : On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by Brad Filippone's opinion
> : about...
**snip**
> : > the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when
> : > it's filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her,
> : > just because she has a brain and is not afraid to use it?
> : >
> : > Brad
>
> : In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
> : be her toady?
>
Funny thing is, Brad, that people keep coming to this same conclusion
(independently), perhaps you should reconsider your position and evaluate
your 'relationship' with TPM?
Jer
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:
>Good question. How exactly was I supposed to "exert control" in any
>case in the first place? Do tell.
You may want to just sit back and review this entire thread and ask
yourself that question. While you're at it, why not review your own
actions over the last year or so, if not further? Maybe reviewing a
recent post of yours telling everyone to leave the TOS newsgroup may
be in order. How is you telling everyone to leave not trying to exert
control?
WickeddollŽ
"Brenda" <nos...@guess.com> wrote in message
news:2ikrnuF...@uni-berlin.de...
Natalie
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WickeddollŽ
"Gordon aka (The Highlander)" <Highlan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2ikv5mF...@uni-berlin.de...
of those she freaks over were involved in the making of the Ent group. She
doesn't own a thing, except her own delusions.
WickeddollŽ
worse in those days
WickeddollŽ
"Dan McGarvey" <mcga...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:rOednTtgI98...@comcast.com...
*snipping very good post*
I can only speak for myself, but the only reason I sometimes mix it up with
that creature is to dispel the lies she tells about IRC. That is my only
interest in this whole thing.
I refuse to let her or anyone discredit something they knows nothing about;
yes, it's personal, as the channel was created by myself, and I'm an operator
("IRC cop") for the network. It is my right and I think, my duty, to defend
#stngs from baseless bullshit.
Like you said, I don't always agree with some of those I call my friends, but
I'll be damned if I'll allow bogus slandering of a medium I care about
greatly. I'll even agree that they go too far in the comments they've made
to TPM in particular(I've lost it sometimes as well), but that has nothing to
do with IRC; something she doesn't seem to get. It's academic for the
moment, as I'll be leaving here till the new eps (Probably when the Survivor
game is over), but while I'm here, I'll continue to defend the channel and
the network at every opportunity.
Natalie, thinking she needs to repost the info on #stngs again...
Brad Filippone
: "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
: news:40C53A81...@lauragoodwin.org...
: > Brenda wrote:
: >
: > > Well, there are 17 people in chat right now who seem to believe it is
: fun
: > > and we are nice.
: >
: > Whoop-dee-doo. I got over 100 ppl in my Trek discussion group who think
: > I am nice. So bite me.
: Geez Laura calm down, baiting people isn't a worthy pastime.
It is when both sides are willing participants! :)
Brad
Brad Filippone
: "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
: news:40C53554...@lauragoodwin.org...
: > Laura Ware wrote:
: > >
: > > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
: > > news:40C527F3...@lauragoodwin.org...
: > > > Dale wrote:
: > > >
: > > > > Why usenet is for everyone
: > > >
: > > > Including your critics. :)
: > >
: > > And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
: >
: > Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and off
: > the net completely (and have failed).
: >
: > FAILED.
: Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
Now, don't try to tell us you haven't noticed the almost constant
harasment she has received over the past couple of years just because she
has a slightly different (gasp!) take on the series.
Brad
Brad Filippone
: On 08 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
: about...
: > Kweeg wrote:
: >>
: >> "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
: >> news:40C53A81...@lauragoodwin.org...
: >> > Brenda wrote:
: >> >
: >> > > Well, there are 17 people in chat right now who seem to believe
: >> > > it is
: >> fun
: >> > > and we are nice.
: >> >
: >> > Whoop-dee-doo. I got over 100 ppl in my Trek discussion group who
: >> > think I am nice. So bite me.
: >>
: >> Geez Laura calm down, baiting people isn't a worthy pastime.
: >
: > Yeah, maybe you are right.
: >
: It's early June and Hell Has Frozen Over - The Tool admits she's a
: baiting troll! WOOHOO!
She said no such thing actually. YOu forget that she is the one being
harrassed, not the other way around.
Brad
Brad Filippone
: On 08 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
: about...
: > "Louis M. Brown" wrote:
: >
: >> Hell, just google alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, and use Toolpackinmama
: >> for the author... you'll see.
: >
: > Google Louis M. Brown. Dare ya.
: Which has nothing to with your history - for which *you* are the
: responsible party.
Yes, having her own opinion is a major crime.
Brad
WickeddollŽ
"Brad Filippone" <al...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:ca3r8e$3bu$4...@News.Dal.Ca...
No, but beating everyone over the head with it certainly is. I don't think
this thread is about her opinions, it's about her attempts to control
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Brad Filippone
: "Brad Filippone" <al...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote
: > : On 07 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by Brad Filippone's opinion
: > : about...
: **snip**
: > : > the question is, why would anyone want to come to a chat room when
: > : > it's filled with a whole lot of people who are prejudiced against her,
: > : >
: > : > Brad
: >
: > : In the interests of full disclosure, just how much is she paying you to
: > : be her toady?
: >
: > Nothing. It's a thing called friendship.
: Funny thing is, Brad, that people keep coming to this same conclusion
: (independently), perhaps you should reconsider your position and evaluate
: your 'relationship' with TPM?
Do I tell you who you should and should not be friends with?
Brad
WickeddollŽ
You don't, but TPM does
Brad Filippone
: "Brad Filippone" <al...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
: news:ca3r8e$3bu$4...@News.Dal.Ca...
: > kev (k...@erewhon.net) wrote:
: > : On 08 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
: > : about...
: >
: > : > "Louis M. Brown" wrote:
: > : >
: > : >> Hell, just google alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, and use Toolpackinmama
: > : >> for the author... you'll see.
: > : >
: > : > Google Louis M. Brown. Dare ya.
: >
: > : Which has nothing to with your history - for which *you* are the
: > : responsible party.
: >
: > Yes, having her own opinion is a major crime.
: >
: > Brad
: No, but beating everyone over the head with it certainly is. I don't think
: this thread is about her opinions, it's about her attempts to control
Ahh, so you haven't been beating her over the head? Okay.
Brad
WickeddollŽ
No, I haven't, as a matter of fact
Brenda
You have selective memory, Brad. What I have noticed is Laura's penchant for
attempting to shove one view down everyone's throat. She picked this fight,
no
one else. She's obsessed on many levels.
> Brad
Brenda
Oh. So when Laura says mean or hateful things about those who come to
chat, when Laura orders everyone out of a newsgroup, she's not harrassing
anyone?
When Laura takes everyone in the star-trek.TOS newsgroup and TOSes them for
not agreeing with her slash, That's not harrassing? Brad, you're as much as
revisionist
as she is.
> Brad
Brenda
Son, go back and see what started this thread. It was a chat announcement.
Look at the title. Laura jumped in and began hitting at those involved in
chat,
as she has done often these days. She may be your friend but she doesn't get
a pass on bad behavior. If Laura's taking hits it's because she herself put
on the gloves
and made the ring.
>
> Brad
fozzi bear
"Louis M. Brown" <phy...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:emcac05b61vtl2b9l...@4ax.com...
>
> pretty clear that you can't see the forest for the trees.
>
> -LMB
>
Louis, if you still haveit it might be time to revisit the testomonial
sig file, show people what he is defending
Cheers
Fozzi
fozzi bear
>
> Now, don't try to tell us you haven't noticed the almost constant
> harasment she has received over the past couple of years just because she
> has a slightly different (gasp!) take on the series.
>
> Brad
Absolutely nothing to do with her take on the series, I have in the
past defended her right to interpret the show in any way she sees fit.
It is her refusal to show any respect for anyone elses view that I find
irritating to say the least, if she wants to say kirk and spock are gay
thats fine by me.
Insisting that this is the only possible interpretation is not. Saying kirk
was not a ladies man is also fine by me. Insisting that it is not even
remotely
possible he was is ridiculous, the lack of coitus on screen is irrelevant,
unless you or anyone else can show me one single other american made
free to air tv show from the sixties which did show the act rather than
merely implying it.
You, by implication, have accused laura ware of not being observant.
I will make that accusation directly at you, you seem to ignore that in the
ent group it is she who starts the flame war and then has a big matyrs
hissy fit when ppl call her on it (i will concede however the situation
is somewhat different, anim8dick (to paraphrase) does attack her unprovoked
and i will further admit that many of his attacks are just as (or even more)
inexscusable
, from an alleged adult, than hers on Merrick.)
Lastly she has no right to demand that an on topic post not be posted to
an unmoderated group she is a member of. She does not have proprietary
rights on the group.
Here I will be generous, I will assume, for the sake of arguement, that she
has
misunderstood the chat rooms title. STNGS is not star trek next generation
site,
or anything like that, it stands for Star Trek News Groups. Chat rooms
directly
related to a discussion based news group are, by definition, on topic for
that
group, that has been netiquette since at least 1993. I have to swallow this
pill too
and often, i really dont like the sims spam, but by definition this is also
on-topic
for the newsgroup so i have to lump it, thats life in a community
environment.
It is also extremely hypocritical since she misses no oportunity to spam her
website
in the group, I know others have complained against her about this, you may
notice
however the complaints are about the arbitrary nature of the sites rule
structure,
not the promoting of it per se, I dont attack this however because it is
on-topic
for the very same reasons chat is. Given that both derive their on-topic
status from
the rules of netiquette that have developed over the last twenty years or
more,
if one is off topic they both are.
Cheers
Fozzi
fozzi bear
Wrong, if you tease a "bully" (to use her term) you have no-one to blame but
yourself for the black eye. In the Ent group when she doesn't taunt she is
largely
ignored by those who really dislike her, and many even among we cabal will
even discuss things with her without reference to the past at all, she does
not
realise how many of the news group are cabal and simply choose not to
identify
as such on a regular basis. She unknowingly has cabal membersin the ent
group
that she hascalled friend. Once again I admit that the dynamic in the
alt.startrek is
somewhat different, once again I admit that certain members there do attack
her
either on the slightest provocation, or on none at all, this is not the
dynamic in
the Ent group, in the last two years all but two of the fights she has been
involved in
here have been started by HER. I'll go further yet, given the dynamic of how
these
flame threads *she starts* pan out, i suggest she starts them just so she
can ppl
like yourself who do have more respect among the online trek community than
she
to come running to her defence.
I am going to echo a previous posters point, I point out first that there
are
only twoppl in life that i actually hate, TPM is neither of them. She does
display
clear signs of classic bi-polar disorder coupled with a hint of megalomania.
I am
genuinely concerned for her well being, i really think she should consult a
professional just to be on the safe side, despite the fact that we have
fought
and technically still are i guess, i will be happy as larry to be proven
wrong
on this. Even those two i do hate i dont really wish any harm to, i am a
believer
in tyche, i wouldn't want the responsibilty for the negative tyche, sent
their
way, on my conscience
Cheers
Fozzi
PS, for those who dont recognise the term, the nearest modern equivalent
to the classical greek concept of tyche would be the indian concept of
Karma,
the greek concept was a much more active kind of fate though, they even
assigned
a god in their pantheon as the ruler of fate, the concept was named for her.
ToolPackinMama
> Absolutely nothing to do with her take on the series
Actually, that's true. What it's about is "The evil cabal" (as they
like to call themselves) got upset because I was trying to offer a free
service to the people of the ENT NG, and they wanted to control how I
managed it, and I wouldn't let them.
One of the gang, Ta', wanted to publish something that I thought was
inappropriate, here:
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/ent-ng.html
And I asked him to change his wording, to something that fit the tone
and intent of the page. He refused to co-operate, that was blown up
into a huge fight, and Ta' and his gang have been attacking me basically
non-stop ever since.
I refuse to let them intimidate me. That's what it's ~really~ about.
And no, I didn't start it. To be precise, Ta' started it, but that's
the kind of guy that he is.
Me, I'm the kind of person who does this for people:
http://allyourtrekarebelongto.us/ent-ng.html
That's my side of the story.
Brenda
<snipped diatribe>
One question
Who attacked in this latest round because the old stuff had finally died
down
and this war ended. Who started it up again, Laura? Now think very carefully
before you answer because this thread is about newsgroups chats so obviously
you knew what it was about before you posted.
Repeatedly you have decried anyone holding old statements over your head,
saying to let it go and move on. Now you blame your actions on something
that
took place years ago? Nah. That isn't acceptable on any level. You came into
this
thread to troll. That's the truth of the story.
Derek
> Now, don't try to tell us you haven't noticed the almost constant
> harasment she has received over the past couple of years just because she
> has a slightly different (gasp!) take on the series.
Except for one LEEEETLE problem, Brad. She's not getting harassed because
she has a slightly different take on the series. I've "debated" with her in
the past on her interpretation of Trek.
She's being criticized for attacking others, for taking personal offense at
comments that have nothing to do with her, and for continually bringing up
old gripes. And she's repeatedly been a prima dona who criticizes others
for saying things and then denying culpability for her own heinous
assaults. She acts like the very people she complains about, and then
whines that she's a victim.
Look back at this thread, Brad. No one said anything about her before she
jumped in to start slamming others. If she's a target, it's because she
constantly insists on making herself one. Ask her about the hamster comment
and watch how quickly she tries to evade the disgusting nature of the
comment and justify it.
She's not an innocent victim.
--
Derek
If a pretty poster and a cute saying are that it takes to motivate you, you
probably have a very easy job.
The kind robots will be doing soon.
This epigram brought to you by the letter "R" and by the number "2".
EvilBill
<al...@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> kev (k...@erewhon.net) wrote:
>
>> It's early June and Hell Has Frozen Over - The Tool admits she's a
>> baiting troll! WOOHOO!
>
> She said no such thing actually. YOu forget that she is the one being
> harrassed, not the other way around.
>
Rubbish.
There's a lot of mutual animosity going on, but often she's the one who
pops into threads clearly marked as IRC chat announcements and takes a
poke at someone.
--
--
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well for me with them and it is well for them. I am a nhh-star, the
companion of a nhh-star, I become a nhh-star, and I will not suffer for
ever."
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EvilBill
<la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote:>> news:40C5173D...@lauragoodwin.org...
>>> Brenda wrote:
>>>
>>>> Laura, once again, if you don't want to come to chat, then don't.
>>>
>>> I don't, and I won't.
>>
>> Fine!
>> Then end your obsession over them and get on with your own interests.
>
> LOL
>
> Get out of the TOS NG. All of Y'all. Just Do It.
TOS is not a moderated NG.
Ergo, anyone is free to post there and nobody can gainsay that.
Isn't free speech supposed to be guaranteed in your Constitution?
(Oh, I forgot, Dubya took that away.)
EvilBill
Which series? This thread's crossposted to between four and six
different NGs on and off, covering all five Trek series.
At least two of said NGs, I don't read at all.
So which one?
EvilBill
That little spat was three or four YEARS ago.
Let it go already!
You know, if you just completely ignored anything to do with the
so-called 'cabal' - IRC chats, Trek urvivor, etc (it's easy to add those
terms to your message filter), and avoid posting in those threads
comments that are likely to stir other people up, then you might find
they'll stop *reacting* to it.
It's a vicious circle. Someone has to be the first to say 'Sod this for
a laugh, I'm fed up of arguing so I'm going to ignore this stuff now.'
EvilBill
<mcga...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Laura, I like you. It has nothing to do with who you are or your
> lifestyle or your actions on this board or anywhere else. I simply
> chose to like you, because it's a hell of a lot easier than the
> alternative. Here's an abridged list of other people on here I
> choose to like:
>
> Steve Christianson
> Louis M. Brown
> Wickeddoll
> Gisele (wherever the hell she went)
> Merrick Baldelli
> Ta
> Brenda
> Dale
>
> (The rest of you, I said "abridged" list. Don't get all uppity.)
>
*gets all uppity*
*runs!* ;)
>
> I don't pretend that I'm going to single-handedly abolish the years
> of bad blood around here, but I'd like to think that whenever I talk
> about this, I'm speaking to both sides and if it makes one person
> re-think posting that one flame that sparks a flame thread that spans
> generations, then I've done some good.
>
IAWTP.
Shame one post can't eradicate four years or more of hostilities... if
it could, we could easily resolve every major conflict crrently going on
in the world. <g>
> I now shall announce my intention to go make a root beer float.
>
> Dan
Michele
>"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>news:40C5346B...@lauragoodwin.org...
>
>
>>Laura Ware wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>>news:40C50BC9...@lauragoodwin.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Do you like interesting people and conversation?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)
>>>>
>>>>(IMHO)
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Actually, I don't think the people reading the newsgroups need you to
>>>
>>>
>tell
>
>
>>>them how to think
>>>
>>>
>>Nor do they need you.
>>
>>
>
>So let's both of us let them make up their own minds, ok? :-)
>
>
>
>
But Laura W doesn't tell anyone what to do or what to think.
Michele
>On 08 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
>about...
>
>
>
>>kev wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On 08 Jun 2004, the world was enlightened by ToolPackinMama's opinion
>>>about...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Louis M. Brown" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hell, just google alt.tv.star-trek.enterprise, and use Toolpackinmama
>>>>>for the author... you'll see.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Google Louis M. Brown. Dare ya.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Which has nothing to with your history - for which *you* are the
>>>responsible party.
>>>
>>>
>>Google kev's history. Dare ya.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Here's mine for all to see:
>
>http://www.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8
>&as_uauthors=k...@erewhon.net&lr=&hl=en
>
>Post yours Laura. Dare ya.
>
>Or should I do that for you? You have made so many, absolutely
>enlightening, posts for people to gain insight into the *real* you.
>
>Shall I post them?
>
>
>kev
>
>
>
Oh yes especially those where somoene said something she didnt like
about kirkypoo(she is quite mean when it comes to him)
Laura Ware
She has been challenged and debated with, yes. If that constitutes
harassment, then I can claim harassement whenever I post a pro-Christian
statement. :-)
--
--
Laura (bookwo...@earthlink.net)
"Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves." Abe
Lincoln 1859
Michele
>Brad Filippone wrote:
>
>
>>Laura Ware (bookwo...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>>news:40C53554...@lauragoodwin.org...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Laura Ware wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
>>>>>news:40C527F3...@lauragoodwin.org...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dale wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why usenet is for everyone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Including your critics. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and
>>>>off the net completely (and have failed).
>>>>
>>>>FAILED.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
>>>
>>>
>>Now, don't try to tell us you haven't noticed the almost constant
>>harassment she has received over the past couple of years just because
>>she has a slightly different (gasp!) take on the series.
>>
>>
>
>She has been challenged and debated with, yes. If that constitutes
>harassment, then I can claim harassment whenever I post a pro-Christian
>statement. :-)
>
>
I notice that he conveniently forgets that Laura G does alot of
harassing of people herself.
Tieus Albert
> harrassed, not the other way around.
If you will take a look at this entire thread, you will see that it
began with an open invitation to join a chat. If one is not interested
in participating, the correct response is to ignore the invitation.
Instead, Laura responded with
"Then avoid that bunch like you would avoid death. :)"
I would be very interested in reading someone's defense of this
statement as being anything other than flame-bait.
You WERE aware of this statement when you rose to her defense, weren't
you?
Bozo the Evil Klown
> Laura Ware (bookwo...@earthlink.net) wrote:
>
> : "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> : news:40C53554...@lauragoodwin.org...
> : > Laura Ware wrote:
> : > >
> : > > "ToolPackinMama" <la...@lauragoodwin.org> wrote in message
> : > > news:40C527F3...@lauragoodwin.org...
> : > > > Dale wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > > Why usenet is for everyone
> : > > >
> : > > > Including your critics. :)
> : > >
> : > > And unlike you, we haven't demanded you leave any newsgroup.
> : >
> : > Your friends have tried to drive me out of all of the Trek NGs, and off
> : > the net completely (and have failed).
> : >
> : > FAILED.
You mean the way you FAILED to get everyone you don't like out of the
NGs? And the IRC chat?
> : Pray tell me just how they tried to do this?
>
> Now, don't try to tell us you haven't noticed the almost constant
> harasment she has received over the past couple of years just because she
> has a slightly different (gasp!) take on the series.
Brad, stick your revisionism somewhere without direct solar radiation.
TPM is treated like an obnoxious hypocritical bitch because she *is*
an obnoxious hypocritical bitch. She posts anything anywhere she
wants and then demands everyone else obey "rules" that she ignores
herself. She flames anyone posting the chat announcements and then
does her "Pity me!!" BS when a few of those she flames flames back.
I know you have your tongue far enough up her ass to teabag her
boyfriends, but everyone except you is more than able to notice that
she isn't the innocent martyr she plays in your delusions.
*****
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"My dog has rights!!" Jonathan Archer
"The Romulan Star Empire? What's that?" Ibid
"Have you ever known me to do anything foolish?" Ibid