Repost: Still unhappy with the New Kira?
Mike Topf
FROM FREEDOM-FIGHTER TO FEMME-FATALE... A WARRIOR IN THREE-INCH HEELS???
Do the changes this season in Major Kira's appearance bother you?
You should know that these changes were initiated at the behest of
Viacom,
the Paramount parent company, in an attempt to attract the "Baywatch"
audience.
You are an intelligent, loyal Star Trek fan. What can you do?
Write.
Send a letter to Viacom.
F.J. Biondi, Jr.
President & CEO
Viacom, Inc.
200 Elm Street
Dedham, MA 02026
And send a letter to Paramount. If you care about seeing strong female
characters, let them know and also let them know that you are not happy
with the costume changes. (These changes were made OVER the objections
of both the DS9 producers and Nana Visitor.)
Deep Space Nine Production Office
Attn: Ira Steven Behr
Cooper Bldg., Rm. 200
Paramount Pictures, Inc.
5555 Melrose Ave.
Los Angeles, CA 90038
And perhaps:
Kerry McCluggage
President
Paramount Television
5555 Melrose
Los Angeles, CA 90038
Following is a sample letter to use or not. (Please do not copy it
verbatim... use your own words. And don't forget to use a dictionary or
spell check.) Your letter should be on a single page of white paper,
typed
or neatly handwritten in black ink. You should mail it in a #10 (long,
business size) white envelope. Include your return address. DO NOT put
"Star Trek," the name of the show, the name of the character(s), stickers
or insignia of any kind on the envelope. (You'll be dismissed as a wacko
and your letter tossed if you do.)
A letter-writing campaign saved Star Trek from cancellation in 1967. The
adventure continues. The changes to Major Kira's appearance are sexist,
and negate all the positive female images this character has embodied for
the past three years. Kira was all-woman WITHOUT the "feminine"
trappings. The fans thought so. Nana Visitor thought so. The DS9
producers thought so. Viacom is the problem.
Write.
This fundamental change to Major Kira sets a precedent. The Viacom suits
do NOT know what they have with Star Trek and they should leave character
decisions to those who do.
This campaign is sponsored by ENVY (the Nana Visitor fan club). For more
information contact ENVY, c/o Kimberley Junius, P.O. Box 1926, Upland, CA
91785-1926. E-mail Bajor...@aol.com. or 74250,1545
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Date
Executive Name
Address
Dear Mr. Executive:
I am writing to express my objection to the changes in the
character of Major Kira Nerys on [Paramount's syndicated series] Star
Trek: Deep Space Nine. For three years, Major Kira has been a symbol of
strength and hope for the viewers of that show. This year, however, I'm
dismayed to find that changes have been made to her physical appearance
which undermine the very nature of the character.
There appears to be some concern that the Major, with her
no-nonsense style and short hair, presents an image of womanhood that
many find unfeminine and perhaps offensive. The truth of the matter is
this character, an ex-Freedom Fighter who survived a demoralizing
occupation of her homeworld, is a strong woman who is revered and admired
by the other
characters and fans for these very reasons -- she is tough, she doesn't
pull any punches, and she does not suffer fools. Imagine my dismay, then,
to see her this season. Gone are the functional boots, replaced with
heels no other character, ultra-feminine or not, is forced to wear. Gone
is the simple hairstyle that augmented her character. Instead we now see
a parody of the Major Kira we have come to know and love. She has ceased
to be a symbol of strength and hope -- no longer revered, and admired
only for the way she fills out her new, skin-tight jumpsuit.
Therefore, I am asking you to reconsider the changes you have
made to the appearance of Major Kira Nerys and to restore her footwear,
hair style, and uniform to the earlier version that is more in keeping
with the
character's development. Part of the reason I watch this show each week,
as
I have for the past three years, is because of the continuity of the
characters. I would like to continue to watch this show for the next
three
years. Major Kira is a vital part of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, and to
erode the integrity of her character does a disservice to the actress,
the
character and those of us who are inspired by and support the show each
week.
I thank you for your time.
Sincerely,
James Briggs
Mike Topf <Mike...@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:
>Do the changes this season in Major Kira's appearance bother you?
>
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I don`t think that we have reason to worry. I would worry if Kira would
suddenly start wearing Deanna Troi`s revealing clothing on duty but in
spite of the changes Kira is still a very natural looking woman, a bit
more feminine, yes, but natural. And anyway, more important is the
character and not what a person is wearing! Kira is still the brilliant
character I liked from the very beginning. "Indiscretion" and "Starship
Down" are impressive examples, I think!
This discussion reminded me of Deanna Troi`s problem. In essence, Marina
Sirtis said, it was in a way funny. After Deanna didn`t wear the
revealing clothing any more but a normal uniform, she suddenly got more
brains. Well, I will be watching closely if Kira will deteriorate but so
far I see no sign of it. And as long as this isn`t happening, I don`t
mind her new look.
--
Baerbel
Gary Kirchherr
Briggs) wrote:
> In article <3116CE...@mindlink.bc.ca>,
> Mike Topf <Mike...@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:
> >Do the changes this season in Major Kira's appearance bother you?
> >
> With all due respect to your opinion, IMO Kira looks better this season
> than she ever did before.
>
Major Kira is softening up a little. The war of independence is over, and
so she's able to evolve from a guerilla into a peacetime officer. The
transition is realistic, and yes, she looks a heck of a lot better too.
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Redstone who is the major stock holder of National Amusements which owns
over 70% of Viacom.
other wise, Kira rules... dude...
clear skies
chris walsh
Joesph Smith
<Em...@trekdata.demon.co.uk> writes><Mike...@mindlink.bc.ca> writes
>suddenly start wearing Deanna Troi`s revealing clothing on duty but in
>spite of the changes Kira is still a very natural looking woman, a bit
>more feminine, yes, but natural. And anyway, more important is the
>character and not what a person is wearing! Kira is still the brilliant
>character I liked from the very beginning. "Indiscretion" and "Starship
>Down" are impressive examples, I think!
>
>This discussion reminded me of Deanna Troi`s problem. In essence, Marina
>Sirtis said, it was in a way funny. After Deanna didn`t wear the
>revealing clothing any more but a normal uniform, she suddenly got more
>brains. Well, I will be watching closely if Kira will deteriorate but so
>far I see no sign of it. And as long as this isn`t happening, I don`t
>mind her new look.
I would like to add something to my contribution. I have just got my new
IDIC newsletter (Great Britain) and in it you can read the following:
"* Ron D. Moore - compiled from some messages Ron posted
Kira`s new uniform was NOT an effort to add sex appeal by some nefarious
Viacom-types. The truth is that the actress herself asked for a costume
change because the old one was uncomfortable and restricted her movement
and performance.
Nana`s version of this and mine are probably not as far apart as it may
sound. Nana definitely was complaining about her costume and how it
restricted her performance in a meeting with the show`s producers. It
was this conversation which led directly to the new costume. Now, maybe
in her mind she doesn`t consider this her asking for the change, but we
certainly did. And in any case, it was this meeting, not a
Viacom/Paramount cabal which caused there to be a wardrobe change.
Yes, we probably would change all the Bajoran costumes if we had the
cash. (Not a definitive yes, because we knew it wasn`t a possibility). I
am very puzzled by this "babefied Kira" thing. We gave her a (better)
costume and monkeyed with her hair and makeup a little. She`s still the
same kick-ass first and ask questions later Kira we`ve seen for over
three years. We hung Picard naked in a Cardassian torture room and no
one thought we were pushing him as some kind of S&M poster boy. We`re
not out to destroy the character and we wouldn`t let anyone else do ti
either. I think Kira`s costume looks great and that her whole look is
great this year. `Nuff said"
I can only agree to what everyone else (and me) wrote so far in this
thread: I like Kira`s new look and the development of her character so
far. I am mainly curious about "Crossfire". It must be a great episode!
--
Baerbel
Jessica Krucek
Ron Moore said that? Sorry, Ron, but apparantly, you've been
smoking Brannon Braga's "happy" stash if you thought it was a good move
to do that. I thought the stuff about that damn outfit came from the
horse's (Nana's) mouth.
I also hate that outfit. I've thought DS9's been nosedivibng since
last season, and between Julian shoved in the back (or playing out
macho fantisies), Worf, the overuse of the Defiant, and
Founder-paranoia were bad enough -- that damn outfit is the topper!
>I can only agree to what everyone else (and me) wrote so far in this
>thread: I like Kira`s new look and the development of her character so
>far. I am mainly curious about "Crossfire". It must be a great
episode!
Forget it. Kira shacks up with Shaakar (a piece of wood), and Odo
gets really down about it.
- Jessica
Mike Topf
> I can only agree to what everyone else (and me) wrote so far in this
> thread: I like Kira`s new look and the development of her character so
> far. I am mainly curious about "Crossfire". It must be a great episode!
> --
> Baerbel
I was directly in the middle of the "discussion" with Ron D. Moore as
seen above. Despite what Ron may have said, Nana was NOT happy with the
changes as they've been put up, especially the boots, I told Ron so, and
he essentially called me a lier. Nana told ME directly to my face how
unhappy she was about the changes, and had fought with the TPTB and lost.
She confirmed that the "babification" was from higher up that the Trek
producers, high in Paramount and Viacom.
She has eventually relented to "justify" the changes from an actor's
stand point.
Doppleganger
ask me Kira's Uniform was always quite formfitting. And the only thing that
I have noticed about the way she has physically changed this season is the
new Hair do. I would have to look over a past episode to see any other new
changes, but until I do I think All of you blathering idiots should just shut
your mouths and grow up. It is a television show for God's sake, not real
life. When DS9 becomes a reality then you can bitch about how she looks in
her uniform. But until that happens keep this sort of crap off this
newsgroup and put it where it really belongs.
--Doppleganger
Carolyn Fulton
Kirchherr) writes:
>
>In article <4f7ivu$8f8...@jbriggs.cts.com>, jbr...@cts.com (James
>Briggs) wrote:
>
>> Mike Topf <Mike...@mindlink.bc.ca> wrote:
>> >Do the changes this season in Major Kira's appearance bother you?
>> >
season
>> than she ever did before.
>>
>
>Major Kira is softening up a little. The war of independence is over,
and
>so she's able to evolve from a guerilla into a peacetime officer. The
>transition is realistic, and yes, she looks a heck of a lot better
too.
>
I can live with the hair (although I still have a hard time believing
that she would bother, at least not every day). I can even live with
the cat suit -- it doesn't look uncomfortable. But the HEELS? She's a
military officer, she's a practical woman -- the heels have got to GO!
They're ludicrous!
The Tetrad
>I can live with the hair (although I still have a hard time believing
>that she would bother, at least not every day). I can even live with
>the cat suit -- it doesn't look uncomfortable. But the HEELS? She's a
>military officer, she's a practical woman -- the heels have got to GO!
>They're ludicrous!
Yes, and in "Return to Grace" did you see all the fancy editing they did when
Kira took the knife from Ziyal (sp?) and then "attacked" her? Even Visitor, a
former dancer, couldn't have kept her footing in three-inch heels to make the
necessary moves.
One wonders if any of TPTB could wander down a street in South-Central LA at
midnight wearing 3-inch heeled boots and feel confident that they could defend
themselves with a Bowie knife if attacked . . .and if they couldn't, how can
they expect Kira, a military officer, to do so?
Dinara, the garlic grower (who has had to take manure fork in hand to remind
others that she DOES know how to defend herself . . . which is why she never
wears heels!)
)Sustainable agriculture takes root with your support
CHRISTOPHER L HOLT
|> allr...@ix.netcom.com(Jessica Krucek ) wrote:
|> > Ron Moore said that? Sorry, Ron, but apparantly, you've been
|> >smoking Brannon Braga's "happy" stash if you thought it was a good move
|> >to do that. I thought the stuff about that damn outfit came from the
|> >horse's (Nana's) mouth.
And I'm happy she can make her own decisions about what she wants to wear.
What is all this crap about what women wear on tv shows being sexist, are we
going to nitpick every detail of what women do on their jobs. Ok. It's a job
that gets seen by millions of people, fine. But in other jobs where people
(women or men) do not get noticed or pestered by millions of fans, do you think
it makes that much of a difference? Anotherwords, let's mind our own business.
If it's her choice, let her do what she wants. If it's not her choice, then
maybe fan support would help.
|> > I also hate that outfit. I've thought DS9's been nosedivibng since
Is this some comment about Kira or was it an accident?
|> >last season, and between Julian shoved in the back (or playing out
|> >macho fantisies),
Well, I guess you don't discriminate about "nosing" in others people's business
when it comes to either gender.
|> >Worf, the overuse of the Defiant, and
|> >Founder-paranoia were bad enough -- that damn outfit is the topper!
I'd grant you that those 2 episodes weren't very special, but try to tell me
any other this season which is as bad. Or has ANY bad aspect of them at all.
|> That's an... "interesting"... opinion, since pretty much everyone else is
|> |>awed at how incredibly good this season of DS9 has been compared to last
|> |>season... or to ANY single season of ANY trek show, for that matter.
I wouldn't go that far to compare it to all of Star Trek, for I feel TNG has
some good seasons. But I suppose this season has had consistently good episodes
since the kick ass start. Started out with a bang and is continuing that
theme.
Except for the founder episodes.
Mike Topf
> And I'm happy she can make her own decisions about what she wants to wear.
> What is all this crap about what women wear on tv shows being sexist, are we
> going to nitpick every detail of what women do on their jobs. Ok. It's a job
> that gets seen by millions of people, fine. But in other jobs where people
> (women or men) do not get noticed or pestered by millions of fans, do you think
> it makes that much of a difference? Anotherwords, let's mind our own business.
> If it's her choice, let her do what she wants. If it's not her choice, then
> maybe fan support would help.
>
I think you don't understand. Ron D. Moore claimed that it was Nana's
choice to change the outfit. That was a blatent untruth. Nana herself
told me that she had asked for a "minor" change to relieve the
constrictive nature of the old costume but was VERY unhappy with the
result, especially the boots. She fought very hard to get it changed back
or to the minor changes she WANTED. No avail.
So, it was NOT her choice, and the very point of this appeal is to GET
the fan support you are talking about.
dr...@sawdust.cvfn.org
Bajoran Uniforms...I wish they'd give the Bajoran security guys new
uniforms too. Those have got to be the ugliest...
Nana's previous uniform had the unfortunate effect of accentuating the,
er...um....breastical region.
So maybe the spike-heeled boots are a bit much. But the rest of the "new"
uniform is much better than the previous one. And the Bajoran "dress"
uniform is a heckuva lot better than the Federation "dress"
uniforms...(Especially those dress dresses in the first few seasons of
TNG.)
By the way, maybe the spike heels have more to do with the fact that
everyone on this show is very tall. Nana is probably the shortest one.
Tod Abbott
dr...@sawdust.cvfn.org wrote:
Yeah, that's what I figured too. Here she is, first officer with a new
Klingon officer on board. Maybe Major Kira decided she needed some help
"standing up" to Worf--despite how impractical such footwear would be for
someone who occasionally has to fight the bad-guys, not to mention, run.
Tod Abbott.
Wol...@earthlink.net
getting out of the freedom fighter thing. And she's got a new
boyfriend who might be loosening her up. Who Knows. The boots are
silly, but the rest is pretty cool. I just wish we'd have another
alternate universe episode, cause Kira in that black vinyl sex kitten
outfit was really awesome. Does anybody have some pix of her in this
stuff? I'd like to see.
David
Mike Topf
>
> I rather liked the new uniform they gave Kira. Me, I've NEVER liked the
> Bajoran Uniforms...I wish they'd give the Bajoran security guys new
> uniforms too. Those have got to be the ugliest...
>
> Nana's previous uniform had the unfortunate effect of accentuating the,
> er...um....breastical region.
>
> So maybe the spike-heeled boots are a bit much. But the rest of the "new"
> uniform is much better than the previous one. And the Bajoran "dress"
> uniform is a heckuva lot better than the Federation "dress"
> uniforms...(Especially those dress dresses in the first few seasons of
> TNG.)
>
> By the way, maybe the spike heels have more to do with the fact that
> everyone on this show is very tall. Nana is probably the shortest one.
Nana is 5 ft 8. By no means short. The rest of the cast (besides Armin)
is quite tall though.
Nana hates the boots.
Jeff Voreis
she had in the very first episode, "Emissary." I never like the short
look as much and the new look is definetly chaotic.
Jeff Voreis
would add a lot of plot potential. But would Kira and Odo have to go to
Starfleet Academy before getting into Starfleet or would their current
army ranks switch over? Would Kira become Commander Kira?
MCHAMMERM
her ridges and the ear cuff. She can give me oomox anytime!
Shaun Kerry Navis
: Its about time the writers of DS9 brought Bajor into the Federation, it
: Starfleet Academy before getting into Starfleet or would their current
: army ranks switch over? Would Kira become Commander Kira?
The recent "Crossfire" episode made it seem like it was almost a
done deal. I can't see why the Bajoran officers would have to go through any
Starfleet stuff. Vulcan is part of the Federation, but they have their own
autonomous government, security forces, etc. Starfleet and the Fed arent't
imperialistc organizations, they just include a great many worlds that join
an alliance. Sort of a United Nations that actually works! Even O'Brien
never went to the academy (He's an enlisted man). Besides, they've done
enough damage to Kira's character this season. I don't want to see them
change anything else about her.
Shaun
Bossler Sam
Absolutly 100% agree!
Sam
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>
> In article <Pine.PMDF.3.91.96022...@axe.humboldt.edu> Jeff Voreis <jt...@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:
>
> >
> > Okay, I don't know about you, but I think Kira's best haircut was the doo
> > she had in the very first episode, "Emissary." I never like the short
> > look as much and the new look is definetly chaotic.
> >
> >
> Absolutly 100% agree!
>
> Sam
I, for one, like the new hair. It almost seems more no-nonsense to me. Of
course, the outfit and shoes have to go, but the hair I like. Just my $.02
K'Ehleyr
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Fill in your name here
: Its about time the writers of DS9 brought Bajor into the Federation, it
: would add a lot of plot potential. But would Kira and Odo have to go to
: Starfleet Academy before getting into Starfleet or would their current
: army ranks switch over? Would Kira become Commander Kira?
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Well, I guess Kira and Odo COULD enroll in Starfleet if they
wanted to but why? Yes Bajor and the Federation are getting friendlier
and friendlier but that doesn't change the fact that DS9 is still a
Bajoran station under Federation Administration. Kira and Odo are
recognized by the Bajoran government as officers and they work WITH the
Federation and not necesarily UNDER it.
Christa Bruyere
Bossler Sam (boss...@cuug.ab.ca) writes:
>> Jeff Voreis <jt...@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:
>>
>> Okay, I don't know about you, but I think Kira's best haircut was the doo
>> she had in the very first episode, "Emissary." I never like the short
>> look as much and the new look is definetly chaotic.
>>
> Absolutly 100% agree!
No way! I will admit that the new look this season (4) is not quite
as good as the others were, the one she should go back to is the one
she had in the second season, when her hair is more compact. Not all
this puffy hair all over the place....
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Pure what, I don't want to know." | cm...@freenet.carleton.ca
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MCHAMMERM
requirements (or general equivalencies thereof) would have to be met.
Furthermore, that as a potential condition for entry, certain "courtesies"
might be extended to afford the newest members of the Federation some rank
and privileges that should go with membership. So, as long as Star Fleet
determines that Kira is qualified for Commander, there's no reason why she
shouldn't get the title. It could be that Kira's training is lacking in
an area or two and she may need some "brushing up" so it is not
inconceivable that Star Fleet might make her jump through a few hoops to
get the rank (possibly even some advanced officer courses at the
Academy?).
johnabbott.qc.ca
I heard there is suppose to be another alternate story on that
either this season or the next. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing
Garak in that Cardassian uniform again . . . growl. So you may yet
get your wish David. (and mine!)
Regards, Sophie.
so...@johnabbott.qc.ca
Carolyn Fulton
Sam) writes:
>
>In article
<Pine.PMDF.3.91.96022...@axe.humboldt.edu> Jeff
Voreis <jt...@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:
>
>>
>> Okay, I don't know about you, but I think Kira's best haircut was
the doo
>> she had in the very first episode, "Emissary." I never like the
short
>> look as much and the new look is definetly chaotic.
>>
>>
>Absolutly 100% agree!
>
God -- I thought her hair in the first episode made her look like an
airline stewardess!! :-)
William Andrews
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Fill in your name here (ye...@is2.nyu.edu) wrote:
: Jeff Voreis (jt...@axe.humboldt.edu) wrote:
: : Its about time the writers of DS9 brought Bajor into the Federation, it
: : would add a lot of plot potential. But would Kira and Odo have to go to
: : Starfleet Academy before getting into Starfleet or would their current
: : army ranks switch over? Would Kira become Commander Kira?
I doubt if Kira & Odo would have to join Starfleet, go to the Acadamy,
etc. Starfleet is a UN like military arm. Just like the US has its own
army, politicians, etc. so would the Bajorans.
Andy
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David L. Jaroslav
says...
>
>It would seem that as a protocol for rank assignation that Star Fleet
>requirements (or general equivalencies thereof) would have to be met.
>Furthermore, that as a potential condition for entry, certain "courtesies"
>might be extended to afford the newest members of the Federation some rank
>and privileges that should go with membership. So, as long as Star Fleet
>determines that Kira is qualified for Commander, there's no reason why she
>shouldn't get the title.
If she chose to join Starfleet, maybe -- that doesn't seem in her character.
The main reason she wouldn't be a Commander is because Major is the
equivalent to Lt. Commander.
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David L. Jaroslav
>
> Vulcan is part of the Federation, but they have their own
>autonomous government, security forces, etc.
Was I the only one who thought it odd that Earth didn't appear to?
>Starfleet and the Fed arent't
>imperialistc organizations, they just include a great many worlds that join
>an alliance. Sort of a United Nations that actually works!
Frightening concept there. No, the UFP is exactly what it's name says --
it's a federation, not just an alliance (you wouldn't describe the USA as an
alliance, would you?) As such, it has a unitary military; the planetary forces
you describe would be more like the equivalent of state police.
> Even O'Brien
>never went to the academy (He's an enlisted man).
We're talking apples and orangutans here -- O'Brien's in Starfleet.
Most people in Starfleet are enlisted.
David L. Jaroslav
>
> Kira and Odo are recognized by the Bajoran government as officers
Kira's a commissioned officer of the Bajoran Militia, but Odo's not military
at all. He's a civilian cop, a constable with deputies, which is most appropriate
to policing a station under mostly civilian jurisdiction, full of mostly civilians.
SDavis6949
and producers will do that, but will play it out for a while. Commander
Kira does have a certain ring to it.
David L. Jaroslav
>
>DU:
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>Fill in your name here (ye...@is2.nyu.edu) wrote:
>: Jeff Voreis (jt...@axe.humboldt.edu) wrote:
>: : Its about time the writers of DS9 brought Bajor into the Federation, it
>: : would add a lot of plot potential. But would Kira and Odo have to go to
>: : Starfleet Academy before getting into Starfleet or would their current
>: : army ranks switch over? Would Kira become Commander Kira?
>
> I doubt if Kira & Odo would have to join Starfleet, go to the Acadamy,
>etc. Starfleet is a UN like military arm. Just like the US has its own
>army, politicians, etc. so would the Bajorans.
Was I the only one who thought it odd that Earth didn't have
any visible organs of government, seperate military structures,
etc. from the UFP in "Homefront."?
Jeff
says...
>
>
>Bossler Sam (boss...@cuug.ab.ca) writes:
>>> Jeff Voreis <jt...@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:
>>>
>>> Okay, I don't know about you, but I think Kira's best haircut was the
doo
>>> she had in the very first episode, "Emissary." I never like the short
>>> look as much and the new look is definetly chaotic.
>>>
>> Absolutly 100% agree!
Oh my! I went back and watched that episode not long ago and her hair
looked awful! The short doo suits her better...I'm not talking about her
current style, btw.
Jeff
E Broadley
wrote:
>ki...@ix.netcom.com (Carolyn Fulton) writes:
>
>>I can live with the hair (although I still have a hard time believing
>>that she would bother, at least not every day). I can even live with
>>the cat suit -- it doesn't look uncomfortable. But the HEELS? She's a
>>military officer, she's a practical woman -- the heels have got to GO!
>>They're ludicrous!
As someone who has only seen the first season of DS9, it does sound
like a strange idea of Kira to be wearing high heeled shoes.
Did Deanna Troi wear high heeled shoes? If not, was this because of
the starfleet uniform regulations?
Mike Topf
>
> Okay, I don't know about you, but I think Kira's best haircut was the doo
> she had in the very first episode, "Emissary." I never like the short
> look as much and the new look is definetly chaotic.
You know, Nana had actually talked about a brush cut for this season? But
she figured that both the fans and the suits would not like THAT!
LSkYwa
reb...@freebsd.first.gmd.de (E Broadley) schreibt:
>Did Deanna Troi wear high heeled shoes? If not, was this because of
>the starfleet uniform regulations?
>
>
Yes, sometimes she did. Remember the season when she wore that light blue
dress with light blue stockings and light blue pumps.
CU
Olivia
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Kader75443
reb...@freebsd.first.gmd.de (E Broadley) writes:
>Did Deanna Troi wear high heeled shoes? If not, was this because of
>the starfleet uniform regulations?
>
>
Yes! Don't you remember the pale blue "dress" costume? It had kicky high
heeled boots with it.
Carolyn Fulton
writes:
And well she should! With some of the things she has to do, and just
given the complexity of the set and the general chaos that goes with
filmmaking, they're downright dangerous!!!!
QuarterMaster
reb...@freebsd.first.gmd.de (E Broadley) wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 02:22:53 GMT, garl...@pond.com (The Tetrad)
> wrote:
>
> >ki...@ix.netcom.com (Carolyn Fulton) writes:
> >
> >>I can live with the hair (although I still have a hard time believing
> >>that she would bother, at least not every day). I can even live with
> >>the cat suit -- it doesn't look uncomfortable. But the HEELS? She's a
> >>military officer, she's a practical woman -- the heels have got to GO!
> >>They're ludicrous!
>
I agree. I mean c'mon, that suit is *supposed* to be a military uniform.
Have you ever seen a military uniform with high-heels? High heels were
created to add height and give women a feeling of power, (Katherine De
Medici crweated them to make her taller than the men who served under her)
but in a battle or emergency situation they could mean a broken ankle. I
could deal if they were just part of her dress uniform.
QuarterMaster
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Gary Kirchherr
10145...@compuserve.com wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> In any case there is already at least one
> Bajoran in Starfleet serving on the Enterprise without Bajor being a
> member of the Federation. I refer to Ensign Ro Larsen.
>
> When DS9 first started I was surprised to see that she was not posted
> there with Chief O'Brien. As a Bajoran she would have been a natural
> choice to serve on a space station in Bajoran space.
>
> If Ensign Ro was posted to DS9 it would cause all sorts of plot
> complications. As a Bajoran in Starfleet I can foresee clashes with
> Kira who would see her position undermined.
>
> As a troublemaker who barely escaped courtmartial before her posting
> to the Enterprise Commander Sisko would not know how to deal with her.
> If he comes down heavily on her he risks alienating the Bajorans for
> attacking the only Bajoran who made the effort to come to terms with
> Starfleet's rules and regulations. If he overlooks any indiscretions
> because she is a Bajoran his Starfleet officers will assume that he is
> exercising favouritism solely because she is a Bajoran and will resent
> her presence.
>
> Odo will read her Starfleet file and will consider her to be a
> security risk.
>
> About the only ally she will have is Quark. As a character with a
> shady past of his own I think he will have a lot in common with Ensign
> Ro.
>
> The possible plots and subplots involving Ensign Ro could make DS9
> even more interesting than it is. If any of the writers see this, how
> about it boys?
> George Partis
>
> Another day, another nightmare.
Gee,101452.774, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in TNG's last season,
the then-newly promoted Lt. Ro left Starfleet to join the Maquis. I'll
leave out that particular episode's plot; suffice to say she's not going
to be in a Starfleet episode anytime soon.
Unless, of course, we suddenly discover that she's been on Voyager all
this time. Now _that_ would be a plot twist.
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Jeff Voreis
Starfleet, that is why she was an Ensign. Kira and Odo could stay with
the Militia but why would Bajor continue to have a militia if they joined
the Fed and got Starfleet's protection and codes of ethics?
RotSman
Kira gets put into Starfleet, and I SERIOUSLY doubt that she's interested
in four years of academy (although, on the other hand, look at
'acting ensign' Wesley Crusher; Picard field promoted him...).
Oh, and it would be 'Lieutenant Commander Kira'.
Matt
Chad
> Im Artikel <31307f46...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> reb...@freebsd.first.gmd.de (E Broadley) schreibt:
>
> >Did Deanna Troi wear high heeled shoes? If not, was this because of
> >the starfleet uniform regulations?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, sometimes she did. Remember the season when she wore that light blue
> dress with light blue stockings and light blue pumps.
>
Who sets these uniform regulations, exactly? The Federation Late 70s Disco
Shopping Network?
Heather Grimm
: On Mon, 12 Feb 1996 02:22:53 GMT, garl...@pond.com (The Tetrad)
: wrote:
: >ki...@ix.netcom.com (Carolyn Fulton) writes:
: >
: >>I can live with the hair (although I still have a hard time believing
: >>that she would bother, at least not every day). I can even live with
: >>the cat suit -- it doesn't look uncomfortable. But the HEELS? She's a
: >>military officer, she's a practical woman -- the heels have got to GO!
: >>They're ludicrous!
: As someone who has only seen the first season of DS9, it does sound
: like a strange idea of Kira to be wearing high heeled shoes.
: Did Deanna Troi wear high heeled shoes? If not, was this because of
: the starfleet uniform regulations?
They initially seemed to seperate her out from the rest of the crew. They
made her into the cheerleader of the ship, she was never taken seriously as
an actual officer, therefore they didn't care about how professional she
looked. Yes, I believe that while they had her in the fancy and not
military uniforms, she was wearing heels. Once they finally began to take
her seriously and put her into a uniform, they cahnged her footwear into the
uniform boot. hope this helps.
Heather
s1511
> Its about time the writers of DS9 brought Bajor into the Federation, it
> would add a lot of plot potential. But would Kira and Odo have to go to
> Starfleet Academy before getting into Starfleet or would their current
> army ranks switch over? Would Kira become Commander Kira?
>
It would already have joined, or Starfleet would not be on DS9
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Gary Kirchherr
> ABB...@hayburn.com (Gary Kirchherr) wrote:
>
> >Gee,101452.774, I'm sorry to burst your bubble but in TNG's last season,
> >the then-newly promoted Lt. Ro left Starfleet to join the Maquis. I'll
> >leave out that particular episode's plot; suffice to say she's not going
> >to be in a Starfleet episode anytime soon.
>
> Don`t speak so soon. Maybe not this season, but in season 5, we have a few
> possibilities.
>
> >
> >Unless, of course, we suddenly discover that she's been on Voyager all
> >this time. Now _that_ would be a plot twist.
>
> Of very big proportions indeed. But unlikely to happen unless they can explain
> where she`s been for the best part of nigh on 2 seasons. Again, I doubt she`d
> want to return to Trek on a regular basis, especially on Voyager, unless she
> really needs to... ;)
No need to explain where Lt. Ro's been. Voyager's made no effort to
account for every single Maquis crew member since the show began; she
simply may have been busy on another part of the ship. :)
And why shouldn't she want to return? Nothing wrong with a steady
paycheck. Hey, if Worf can do it, why not Ro?
SDavis6949
however the actor that played Laren was not interested. In fact they
wanted her in a few more episodes of TNG, but she did not want to do them.
There are lots of things to consider when putting together a television
series.
Kage no Gundan
>Have you ever seen a military uniform with high-heels? High heels
were created to add height and give women a feeling of power,
(Katherine De Medici crweated them to make her taller than the men who
served under her) >but in a battle or emergency situation they could
mean a broken ankle. I could deal if they were just part of her dress
uniform.
>
>QuarterMaster
>
>--
>The American government
>is the worst enemy of
>the American people.
Actually if you watch the TNG episodes of the later years
you will find that Lt Troi was constantly out of uniform so to speak.
Her lowcut dress and heels were part of her "casual" uniform as head
shrink of the Enterprise. In the epsiode where Picard got captured by
the Cardassians, the acting Captain made her wear the official
Starfleet uniform and viola! no heels, no cleavage! They (the writers)
never really explained how she got away with the uniform change. But
she's healthy looking, an empath and the captain does get lonely at
times so you figure that out....
Gary Kirchherr
wrote:
<snip snip snip>
[I wrote re the unlikely return of Lt. Ro:]
> >>Unless, of course, we suddenly discover that she's been on Voyager all
> >>this time. Now _that_ would be a plot twist.
> <snip>
>
> More like a real cop-out for the writers. I doubt that Michelle
> Forbes is so hard up that she would agree to it anyway.
>
Baloney. Michael Dorn is hardly hard up after the NG series and movie, but
he was willing to accept three more years of make-up that's a lot worse
than Forbes'.
Why shouldn't she come back if asked? Her acting career hasn't exactly
gone gangbusters since her ST character joined the Maquis. A previous post
said she turned down the DS9 role that eventually went to Nana Visitor. If
that's true, that's gotta be the dumbest TV-career move since Shelley Long
left "Cheers."
As for the "Voyager" writers copping out - face it, they've been doing it
since the show debuted. The whole point was to put them in a situation
away from the Federation. Yet they meet a Romulan, find a colony of
humans, try to defuse a torpedo from the Alpha Quadrant, and - the coup de
gras - have a visit from Cmdr. Riker and Q. Even one of Voyager's nemeses
is a Cardassian!
At least having Ro on Voyager is a _believable_ premise. And she'd be more
interesting to watch than any of the other lame-o's on the crew.
Paul Coffey
>
>I think there is no need to be a citizen of Federation to enter the
>Starfleet Academy. Because there is one Klingon officer(off course
Worf)
>and one Bajoran officer(Roe) and one cadet in the accademy(she belongs
>to the same squardon with Wesley Crusher). I think he should be an
inteligent
>being(Even android is OK).
>
>Uesaki
And then there's Nog.
Qapla'
qeSmIv HarghwI'
Horst Prillinger
> Starfleet Academy.
Definitely. How else could Ro Laren and Sito Jaxa (both Bajoran) have gone
through the Academy?
H.
David L. Jaroslav
ABB...@hayburn.com says...
>
>And why shouldn't she want to return? Nothing wrong with a steady
>paycheck. Hey, if Worf can do it, why not Ro?
Ummm...maybe because she's a wanted criminal?
Philip Richard Yabut
Anyone can join Starfleet. Non-Federation citizens need a recommendation
from a command-level officer (source: DS9 "Heart of Stone").
Phil
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simh...@buffnet.net
>Hi David,
>
> >> And why shouldn't she want to return? Nothing wrong with a steady
> >> paycheck. Hey, if Worf can do it, why not Ro?
> Ummm...maybe because she's a wanted criminal?
>Thomas Riker did it, too...
Yeh T. Riker did return, but look where it got him - into a
Cardie prison camp.
Lynda