Kira's Sister: Dukat's Daughter
David B.
> If Kira's mother was having an affair with Gul Dukat, Then was his dead
> daughter Kira's sister. I remember she was half bajorian. DOES KIRA
> KNOW OR SUSPECT ANY OF THIS?
Dukat's daughter, Ziyal, had a different mother than Kira did. The only
connection is that they were both Bajorans and had a sexual relationship
with Dukat. And Kira found out about it (meaning who Ziyal's parent were)
when Ziyal first appeared.
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Clare Bradley
named in the episode when Dukat and Kira found her. Ziyal's mother was
NOT Kira Mearu, Kira's mother. Ziyal's mother died on the planet where
their spacecraft crashed, and Kira's mother died in a Bajoran hospital.
Dukat is pretty bad, but I don't think even he would be coming on the
Kira like he does if he knew she was his daughter. :>
Clare
ShaunNavis
>daughter Kira's sister. I remember she was half bajorian. DOES KIRA
>KNOW OR SUSPECT ANY OF THIS?
>
>
I don't think so. Ziyal was established in her first appearance as being the
daughter of Dukat and another Bajoran mistress he took. Remember, Kira's mom
died seven years after being taken away by Dukat. I'm guessing Kira was at
least seven years older than Ziyal.
Shaun
Falc2199
>Kira like he does if he knew she was his daughter.
I was always hoped the writers would pair up Duakt and Kira when the seris
finally ended. How cool would it be, if 2 characters who were bitter enemies
when the seris started ended up lovers when it ended.
I know they wanted to do it, and were hinting at in the 4th Season. Then threw
it out the window and gave her to Odo instead. What a shame.
Falc
Reginald
Falc2199 wrote in message <19981206185308...@ng13.aol.com>...
>>ut I don't think even he would be coming on the
>>Kira like he does if he knew she was his daughter.
>
>I was always hoped the writers would pair up Duakt and Kira when the
>enemies when the series started ended up lovers when it ended.
Dukat had his chance until he forged an alliance with the Dominion. Personally,
I prefer him to be a villain. Hehehe. ;-)
>I know they wanted to do it, and were hinting at in the 4th Season. Then
>threw it out the window and gave her to Odo instead. What a shame.
Not a shame at all. Besides, she could do worse (hint: Quark). ;-)
Cobalt
has told Nerys who Ziyal's mother was, and it wasn't Nerys' mom.
Maureen Goldman
> I was always hoped the writers would pair up Duakt and Kira when the seris
> finally ended. How cool would it be, if 2 characters who were bitter enemies
> when the seris started ended up lovers when it ended.
>
> I know they wanted to do it, and were hinting at in the 4th Season. Then threw
> it out the window and gave her to Odo instead. What a shame.
There is no chance this would happen unless Kira lost her sanity as well.
I'm as much a fan of the Dukat character as anyone, but Kira is a former
terrorist and he is considered to have been largely responsible for the
deaths of a great many of her people. Tracy\Hepburn it's not.
Maureen Goldman
> No; Ziyal was way too old to be Nerys' mothers' offspring. Besides, Dukat
> has told Nerys who Ziyal's mother was, and it wasn't Nerys' mom.
Don't you mean that she was too young?
Tracy Hemenover
>
> >ut I don't think even he would be coming on the
> >Kira like he does if he knew she was his daughter.
>
> finally ended. How cool would it be, if 2 characters who were bitter enemies
> when the seris started ended up lovers when it ended.
Maybe, but not Kira and Dukat. Kira is not some romance novel heroine,
and
Dukat is not some charming rogue who can wear down her resistance. She
is
a soldier and patriot, and he murdered and oppressed her people for
decades.
It would be like Anne Frank falling for Hitler (as many have said).
> I know they wanted to do it, and were hinting at in the 4th Season. Then threw
> it out the window and gave her to Odo instead. What a shame.
Not everyone feels that way. Odo is Kira's equal and friend. He's made
some
mistakes, but he owns up to them and doesn't try to pass the blame to
his
victims (like Dukat does). And he treats Kira with respect and
affection,
instead of sexually harrassing her and presuming that she'll swoon into
his
arms (like Dukat). I've rooted for Odo and Kira for a long time, and
I'm
happy TPTB have gone in this direction.
Trace
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zebulonpi...@gmx.net
Kira nearly killed her mother (or dreamt of it) in 'Wrongs Darker than Death
ot Night" for being in Love with Dukat. How could she be his lover?
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Maureen Goldman
> Kira nearly killed her mother (or dreamt of it) in 'Wrongs Darker than Death
> ot Night" for being in Love with Dukat. How could she be his lover?
The usual way?
zebulonpi...@gmx.net
love with the man she hates most and that is the murderer of thousands of
people that she fought for (Dukat)?
Nicolai
ShaunNavis
>threw
>it out the window and gave her to Odo instead. What a shame.
I like that a lot better than Kira ending up with Dukat! I've been waiting to
see who gets to kill him in the end: Sisko, Kira or Garak. I know Trek's not
about things like revenge or killing, but Dukat's been slime since the start of
the series (That's not a putdown, he's my favorite villain) and a part of me
wants to see him get it in the end.
Shaun
Maureen Goldman
> > > Kira nearly killed her mother (or dreamt of it) in 'Wrongs Darker than Death
> > > ot Night" for being in Love with Dukat. How could she be his lover?
> Maureen Goldman
> > The usual way?
> Could you please explain me the "usual" way a terrorist(Kira) would fall in
> love with the man she hates most and that is the murderer of thousands of
> people that she fought for (Dukat)?
A "lover" is not necessarily someone who loves. During the course of DS9,
before Ziyal's death, we saw something very like a friendship between
these two, and at times I believe she found him attractive (although she
would never act on that attraction or admit it). Don't forget that the
killing wasn't all on one side - Kira was a terrorist.
She saw her mother as enjoying the luxuries given to her, willing and happy
to stay with Dukat - meaning, away from her children and husband so that
Kira had a new understanding of why she grew up motherless.. She also
found that the situation was not entirely black and white.
Vsion Ary
Maureen Goldman wrote in message
Don't forget that the
>killing wasn't all on one side - Kira was a terrorist.
Kira would not be affected by that point of view, seeing no more equivalence
between her actions and Dukat's than a member of the french resistance would
consider their killings the equal of the nazi death camps.
zebulonpi...@gmx.net
> > > > Kira nearly killed her mother (or dreamt of it) in 'Wrongs Darker than
Death
> > > > ot Night" for being in Love with Dukat. How could she be his lover?
>
> > Maureen Goldman
> > > The usual way?
>
> > Could you please explain me the "usual" way a terrorist(Kira) would fall in
> > love with the man she hates most and that is the murderer of thousands of
> > people that she fought for (Dukat)?
>
> A "lover" is not necessarily someone who loves. During the course of DS9,
> before Ziyal's death, we saw something very like a friendship between
> these two, and at times I believe she found him attractive (although she
> would never act on that attraction or admit it). Don't forget that the
> killing wasn't all on one side - Kira was a terrorist.
During the Series Kira was always a very honest person that said what she
thought- could you see her playing loving Dukat? And I never saw a friendship
between these two. Kira accepted to keep an eye on Ziyal for Ziyal, not for
Dukat. She also never seemed happy when she saw him. And Kira would say that
she killed with a reason(to free Bajor) and Dukat not.
> She saw her mother as enjoying the luxuries given to her, willing and happy
> to stay with Dukat - meaning, away from her children and husband so that
> Kira had a new understanding of why she grew up motherless.. She also
> found that the situation was not entirely black and white.
Yes, but still black and white enought to say to Sisko that "a part of (her)
wishes" she hadn't rescued her mother. The only reason why she rescued her was
the transmission of her father saying that Dukat had really helped his family.
Maybe that was a way of thanking her mother, because she might have died
without Dukat's protection of her family
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Clare Bradley
on Bajor was the only type of military action that could be taken by an
occupied people. This is much different than some extremists blowing up
civilian targets in countries they're not even at war with. (like the
World Trade Center and Embassy bombings) I'm sure Kira wouldn't have
much doubt about harming civilian Cardassians, considering she almost
killed her mother because she was a collaborator, but her target was a
military one--Dukat. So, I don't think the resistance on Bajor is
terrorism as we have come to think about it.
Clare
Maureen Goldman
Depends on which side is doing the labelling. Kira would consider herself
a freedom fighter and a member of the resistance. The Cardassians
considered them terrorists. Seems to me that both would be correct.
The label "collaborator" also has a few definitions. Meru was providing
comfort to Dukat (she said, delicately), but she wasn't assisting the
Cardassian cause or working against the Bajorans.
Maureen Goldman
> > before Ziyal's death, we saw something very like a friendship between
> > these two, and at times I believe she found him attractive (although she
> > would never act on that attraction or admit it). Don't forget that the
> > killing wasn't all on one side - Kira was a terrorist.
zebulonpi...@gmx.net wrote:
> During the Series Kira was always a very honest person that said what she
> thought- could you see her playing loving Dukat?
No, I'm saying that there seemed some physical attraction between them and
a friendship of sorts when things were not going well for Dukat. It is
difficult to see the circumstances in which she would allow herself to act
upon that attraction, but it did not see outside the realm of possibilities
that she might become his lover in the physical sense.
> And I never saw a friendship
> between these two. Kira accepted to keep an eye on Ziyal for Ziyal, not for
> Dukat. She also never seemed happy when she saw him. And Kira would say that
> she killed with a reason(to free Bajor) and Dukat not.
Yes, Kira made this gesture for Ziyal's sake, and because Ziyal reminded
her of herself. I also agree that she never seemed happy to see Dukat.
However, she did enjoy the sparring. As for killing: both had their
reasons.
> > She saw her mother as enjoying the luxuries given to her, willing and happy
> > to stay with Dukat - meaning, away from her children and husband so that
> > Kira had a new understanding of why she grew up motherless.. She also
> > found that the situation was not entirely black and white.
> Yes, but still black and white enought to say to Sisko that "a part of (her)
> wishes" she hadn't rescued her mother. The only reason why she rescued her was
> the transmission of her father saying that Dukat had really helped his family.
> Maybe that was a way of thanking her mother, because she might have died
> without Dukat's protection of her family
I saw the situation differently. Meru enjoyed the luxuries, was fond of
Dukat, and had apparently forgotten about her family. As a small child,
Kira would have felt her mother's absence keenly. I don't know what she
was told, just that she did not know the truth.
The adult Kira sees what Meru was doing and her contentment, so her loss
becomes out-and-out abandonment - Mom might be taken, but it was betrayal
to find that she enjoyed herself while sleeping with the enemy and and that
she seemingly had forgotten them. The situation turns again when Meru
receives the message and weeps because she misses her family. The benefits
become more obvious. Mom might be a light-weight, but she cared both for
her family, and for Dukat.
As to whether she would go back to them if she had the option...