Warbirds versus Starships, et aliæ - (Decius Tal)
Lord Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG
Greetings, Trekkers:
Now, I might be biased, but the Romulan D'Lerinex-class escort is far
superior to the Defiant, especially considering its size and firepower in
relation to the Federation Defiant-class escorts. Being slightly larger than a
Federation Danube-class runabout, but packing the same firepower as a
Defiant-class escort, the D'Lerinex is obviously superior.
One must also take into account the quantum singularity drive which
powers the D'Lerinex-- an invariably inexhaustable source of power: a self-
sustaining miniature black hole. What occurs when a Starfleet vessel runs out
of Deuterium or Dilithium? Nothing; that's my point.
But we're overlooking the obvious point: crews. Romulan crews are far
superior to Starfleet crews. They're disciplined, hardworking, tough, and smart.
Lest one forget that in 2160, Earth was at least 50 years in advance of the
Romulans in starship technologies. By 2373, Starfleet has to struggle to keep up,
as was evidenced by the introduction of the D'Deridex-class warbird in 2359, and
which Starfleet took an extra four years to commission a vessel which was even
partially comparable to the D'Deridex-class, the USS Galaxy. But by the time
Starfleet had fabricated six of these vessels, the Romulan Star Empire had well
over three times that number. Starfleet currently has no further plans to construct
more Galaxy-class explorers, despite the destruction of the USS Yamato, Oddyssey,
and Enterprise. Rather foolish, considering the Empire has already a vastly larger
fleet than the United Federation of Planets.
But for the moment, such argument is irrelevant. With the Klingons becoming
agititated and itching for war (with a changeling as their chancellor, no doubt), the
Feds and the Romulans will most likely to ally themselves, along with the
Cardassians, longtime allies of the Romulans. Though, when Qo'noS is no longer
a threat to UFP/RSE security, you can bet your chirping jewelry and lycra jumpsuits
that the Dominion (no, not Canada, I mean the Founders) will attempt to pit the
former adversaries against each other.
Decius
Yousuf Khan
On 27 Jul 1996 02:58:08 GMT, <Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord
Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG)> wrote:
>Greetings, Trekkers:
> Now, I might be biased, but the Romulan D'Lerinex-class escort is far
>superior to the Defiant, especially considering its size and firepower in
>relation to the Federation Defiant-class escorts. Being slightly larger than a
>Federation Danube-class runabout, but packing the same firepower as a
>Defiant-class escort, the D'Lerinex is obviously superior.
What's that?
Yousuf Khan
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Andrzej Szaryk
No No you do mean Canada!(I can see it now,the canucks take over starfleet,
Jean Luc takes over the Bloc Quebecois,On second thought maybe not such a
good idea.Actually I also am curious as to how you found out that escort
thing is more powerful than defiant.
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Andrzej Szaryk
Carleton University
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Russell
In article <4tden7$v...@hermes.achilles.net>, Yousuf Khan
<yk...@achilles.net> writes
>On 27 Jul 1996 02:58:08 GMT, <Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord
>Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG)> wrote:
>
>>Greetings, Trekkers:
>
>> Now, I might be biased, but the Romulan D'Lerinex-class escort is far
>>superior to the Defiant, especially considering its size and firepower in
>>relation to the Federation Defiant-class escorts. Being slightly larger than a
>>Federation Danube-class runabout, but packing the same firepower as a
>>Defiant-class escort, the D'Lerinex is obviously superior.
>
>What's that?
>
It's not the little green scouty thing is it?
> Yousuf Khan
>--
>Yousuf J. Khan & Issa S. Khan | Just because you're paranoid doesn't
>yk...@achilles.net | mean that they are not out to get you.
>Ottawa, Ont, Canada |
>Nation's capital |
>
--
Russell
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It's Big, it's Green
It' a Mean Machine
It's a WARBIRD!
Yes a WARBIRD!
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John B. Sterner III
Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG) wrote:
> Greetings, Trekkers:
> One must also take into account the quantum singularity drive which
> powers the D'Lerinex-- an invariably inexhaustable source of power: a self-
> sustaining miniature black hole. What occurs when a Starfleet vessel runs out
> of Deuterium or Dilithium? Nothing; that's my point.
A quantum singularity drive!? I suppose they carry this around with them. What happens
when somebody accidentally puts his hand in the event horizon? Good grief, the event
horizon itself must be bigger than the ship, not to mention the gravity pull.
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http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~jbs
This is only my opinion. Had this been the gospel truth, your bushes would be on fire.
Venotar
Venotar
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Roberto Castillo
Venotar <ah...@mail.startext.net> wrote:
>The Defiant IS an escort class ship...
>
Ship classes are named after the first ship of their class. Thus the
Enterprise-D was a Galaxy class ship (after the USS Galaxy) and the Defiant
since it is the first ship of its class (assuming of course that more ships
of its class are actually made) is well - a Defiant class ship.
Escort is not a ship class but a specific type of ship (I'll refer to this
as a mission designation). For example, the original Enterprise (no bloody
A, B, C, D, or E) was a Constitution class ship but its mission was that of
a heavy cruiser. Similarly, the late Enterprise-D (may she rest in pieces
:-) ) was a Galaxy class ship but its mission designation was that of an
explorer ship. Note that while Starfleet probably has ship from dozens of
classes in service it only has a few mission designations for them (e.g.
explorer, escort, cruiser).
The Defiant's mission designation is that of an escort for PR purposes (the
Federation is uncomfortable with pure warships) but also because it is a
small ship with alot of firepower but which can't go out on an extended
mission lasting several years on its own. Therefore it can only "escort"
bigger, more versatile ships on an extended mission. The Enterprise-D on the
other hand, could stay out in space for years without coming back, thus its
designation of explorer.
The same would hold true of the Romulan Warbirds or Klingon Birds of Prey.
These aren't ship classes but rather designations. For example we've seen
several BoP classes (B'Rel, K'Vort, and at least one other). We've also seen
at least two Warbird classes, the current one and the ship from the TOS
episode "Balance of Terror." Even though the ship from "Balance of Terror"
is often referred to as a Bird of Prey, I prefer to call it an early Warbird
to avoid confusion with the Klingon BoP. The BoT ship seemed to be an exact
analogy to the current Warbird, a powerful ship with state of the art
weaponry able blow anything alse out of the sky regardless of class, so I'm
calling a Warbird.
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dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for
we are Jem'Hadar. Remember, victory is life."
-- Omet'iklan
"I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I'm very much alive, and I intend
to *stay* that way."
-- O'Brien
"I'm worried about Bart. Today, he's sucking people's blood,
tommorrow he might be smoking."
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Roberto Castillo
University of Illinois at Chicago
E-Mail: rca...@uic.edu
Venotar
look at the first episode the Defiant shows up in, in one seen there's a schematic on
a display...It says ESCORT class ship USS Defiant NX-whatever...A gif of it is
floating around on the web somewhere - its called schema.gif...I'll see if I can't
find it and post it for you...
Roberto Castillo
Venotar <ah...@mail.startext.net> wrote:
>Roberto Castillo wrote:
>>
>> Venotar <ah...@mail.startext.net> wrote:
>>
>> >The Defiant IS an escort class ship...
>> >
>> Ship classes are named after the first ship of their class. Thus the
>> Enterprise-D was a Galaxy class ship (after the USS Galaxy) and the Defiant
>> since it is the first ship of its class (assuming of course that more ships
>> of its class are actually made) is well - a Defiant class ship.
>>
>> Escort is not a ship class but a specific type of ship (I'll refer to this
>> as a mission designation). For example, the original Enterprise (no bloody
>> A, B, C, D, or E) was a Constitution class ship but its mission was that of
>> a heavy cruiser. Similarly, the late Enterprise-D (may she rest in pieces
>> :-) ) was a Galaxy class ship but its mission designation was that of an
>> explorer ship. Note that while Starfleet probably has ship from dozens of
>> classes in service it only has a few mission designations for them (e.g.
>> explorer, escort, cruiser).
>>
>Your correct in theory, but the writers for Ds9 didn't follow the protocol...If you
>look at the first episode the Defiant shows up in, in one seen there's a schematic on
>a display...It says ESCORT class ship USS Defiant NX-whatever...A gif of it is
>floating around on the web somewhere - its called schema.gif...I'll see if I can't
>find it and post it for you...
I think I saw that gif on the Absolut Star Trek web page :
http://www.solace.mh.se/~el302/startrek/index.html
Still I don't think this changes anything since in that very episode Sisko
states quite clearly that, "Officially she's an escort. In reality she's a
warship, nothing more, nothing less." In other words he was saying that the
Defiant's mission profile is that of a warship rather than that of an escort
ship. In my mind, this implies that my theory is correct and that the gif is
simply one of those infamous "continuity errors" that pop up on ST from time
to time. Well, I guess we won't be able to settle this question until
Starfleet gets around to making more of these ships. :-)
--
"I am First Omet'iklan, and I am dead. As of this moment, we are all
dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for
we are Jem'Hadar. Remember, victory is life."
-- Omet'iklan
"I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I'm very much alive, and I intend
to *stay* that way."
-- O'Brien
"I'm worried about Bart. Today, he's sucking people's blood,
tommorrow he might be smoking."
-Marge Simpson
Roberto Castillo
Nadav
On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 02:25:28 -0700, "John B. Sterner III" <j...@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
wrote:
>Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG) wrote:
>
>> Greetings, Trekkers:
>
>> One must also take into account the quantum singularity drive which
>> powers the D'Lerinex-- an invariably inexhaustable source of power: a self-
>> sustaining miniature black hole. What occurs when a Starfleet vessel runs out
>> of Deuterium or Dilithium? Nothing; that's my point.
>
>A quantum singularity drive!? I suppose they carry this around with them. What happens
>when somebody accidentally puts his hand in the event horizon?
What happens when somebody accidenty put his hand in a warp core?
|--------------------------|
| DONT FEED THE SINGULARITY|
|--------------------------|
;-)
> Good grief, the event
>horizon itself must be bigger than the ship, not to mention the gravity pull.
There is no reason for a small singulary (they come in all masses up from
10^-8Kg to be bigger than a ship.
>
>--
>-JohnIII
>j...@dana.ucc.nau.edu
>http://dana.ucc.nau.edu/~jbs
>
>This is only my opinion. Had this been the gospel truth, your bushes would be on fire.
...unless the reshape the gravity pull to take them forward. It is also a better
concept than using dilithium because you can use matter and antimatter to create
varius virtual particle effects and feed the event horizon with these. yielding
50% efficiency, but the remaining 50% can be recycled completely, resulting in
an overall 100% (and they can't overheat the reactor, so there is no limitation
on how much m/am they pump in). When the singularity begins to evaporate
significantly, they can feed it with hydrogen from space or (if they want to
avoid collecting hydrogen while under cloak, can't do it, while phase-cloaked
(has phase-cloaking been perfected?) or just don't wish to add the collectors in
order to save space) just add some mass they brought from home. Not much would
be required, since it is much more efficient than warp cores. If they are phase
cloaked and out of space matter, they can either compromise 50% of their fuel as
it escapes the event horizon and turn it 180 deg or, if they need the extra
energy, start feeding the singularity with crew members ;-).
If they run completely out of m/am fuel they can always use naturaly occuring
virtual particles, or use phase-cloaking tech to make their own virtual particle
pairs. Naturally occuring black hole evaporation wouldn't do them much good,
though.
Anyway, it is hard for me to believe that a ship with more firepower than a
Galaxy Class startship or a Defiant Class starship will be about a 1000th the
size of a Galaxy Class ship. Perhaps having a sigularity on board caused it to
shrink due to space time distortions ;-).
Nadav
On Mon, 29 Jul 1996 17:42:40 +0100, Russell <rus...@robin27.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4tden7$v...@hermes.achilles.net>, Yousuf Khan
><yk...@achilles.net> writes
>>On 27 Jul 1996 02:58:08 GMT, <Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord
>>Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG)> wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings, Trekkers:
>>
>>> Now, I might be biased, but the Romulan D'Lerinex-class escort is far
>>>superior to the Defiant, especially considering its size and firepower in
>>>relation to the Federation Defiant-class escorts. Being slightly larger than a
>>>Federation Danube-class runabout, but packing the same firepower as a
>>>Defiant-class escort, the D'Lerinex is obviously superior.
>>
>>What's that?
>>
>
>It's not the little green scouty thing is it?
>> Yousuf Khan
>>--
>>Yousuf J. Khan & Issa S. Khan | Just because you're paranoid doesn't
>>yk...@achilles.net | mean that they are not out to get you.
>>Ottawa, Ont, Canada |
>>Nation's capital |
>>
>
>--
>Russell
> -------------------------
> It's Big, it's Green
> It' a Mean Machine
> It's a WARBIRD!
> Yes a WARBIRD!
> -------------------------
>
Does it have quantum torps?
Dunham
In article <WgdsDGAAoO$xE...@robin27.demon.co.uk>,
Russell <rus...@robin27.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <4tden7$v...@hermes.achilles.net>, Yousuf Khan
><yk...@achilles.net> writes
>>On 27 Jul 1996 02:58:08 GMT, <Deci...@microagewny.com
(Lord
>>Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG)> wrote:
>>
>>>Greetings, Trekkers:
>>
>>> Now, I might be biased, but the Romulan
D'Lerinex-class escort is far
>>>superior to the Defiant, especially considering its size
and firepower in
>>>relation to the Federation Defiant-class escorts. Being
slightly larger than a
>>>Federation Danube-class runabout, but packing the same
firepower as a
>>>Defiant-class escort, the D'Lerinex is obviously superior.
>>
>>What's that?
>>
>
>It's not the little green scouty thing is it?
That's a good question. It's not listed in the Star Trek
encyclopedia, so I assume it appeared on DS9 or something.
Clifton W. Prescod, Jr.
Robert,
Thanks for the link. Nice site. Forgetting the Defiant (nice model, odd
design - part TOS Bird of Prey, part Millennium Falcon and a whole lot of
other things tossed in) and concentrating on the grand lady herself, the
pictures of the Enterprise E were interesting. The one at the top just
plain fails to work (too blocky). The CGI one on the bottom is interesting
and with a little more work (primarily the secondary hull and nacelles)
could be very nice (time for 3D Studio Max for NT). The pictures from
Starlog show something that a lot of folks in some newsgroups hate and
that's Voyager. There are clear Intrepid Class influences shown in this
design (lack of a noticeable connecting dorsal, the re-orienting of the
saucer to "streamline" the warp shell). It'll be amazing to hear what
folks think should this design really be the true one. It seems the
designers are trying to go back to the graceful swept wing look of the
Kirkian movie Enterprise rather than the aero-euro racer design Andrew
Probert chose for E-D. Bravo. The E-D looks more like a cruise ship that
mated with a Heavy Cruiser.
BTW, Did you ever play Star Fleet Battles? Your reference to the Romulan
Bird of Prey is somewhat indicative of someone who played that game a lot.
Anyhow, don't deny the Romulans their ownership of the name. The Klingons
stole the design/ship (stated in The Art of Star Trek) and the Klingon BOP
shows a clear mixture of Romulan technology mated to Klingon tech.
As for the Romulan BOP from BoT, only the Plasma weapon and the cloaking
device were superior technology. It moved very slowly (limited warp
capability) and was one of the reasons the Romulans made deals with the
Klingons to purchase surplus D7 Klolode Class Battlecruisers (better warp
technology). As I've stated in other posts, the Klingons are probably a
lot like the Packleds (steal more tech than they develop) and would hardly
have been able to develop superior technology if someone else hadn't done
it first. The difference between Klingons and Packleds: they are lean
mean fighting machines, not plodding sedentary sneak thieves.
Peace and Long Life,
"Jim Kirk may have been many things, kiddo, but he was never a boy
scout..."
Roberto Castillo <rca...@uic.edu> wrote in article
<32004368...@news.cc.uic.edu>...
James Grady Ward
In article <32010738...@204.254.156.72>, nad...@ix.netcom.com (Nadav) writes:
>On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 02:25:28 -0700, "John B. Sterner III" <j...@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
>>Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG) wrote:
>>> One must also take into account the quantum singularity drive which
>>> powers the D'Lerinex-- an invariably inexhaustable source of power: a self-
>>> sustaining miniature black hole. What occurs when a Starfleet vessel runs out
>>> of Deuterium or Dilithium? Nothing; that's my point.
>>
>>A quantum singularity drive!? I suppose they carry this around with them. What happens
>>when somebody accidentally puts his hand in the event horizon?
>What happens when somebody accidenty put his hand in a warp core?
>|--------------------------|
>| DONT FEED THE SINGULARITY|
>|--------------------------|
>;-)
>
>> Good grief, the event
>>horizon itself must be bigger than the ship, not to mention the gravity pull.
>There is no reason for a small singulary (they come in all masses up from
>10^-8Kg to be bigger than a ship.
small point here, black holes and singularities are not the same thing.
a black hole is an object that has reached a density high enough that
for some localized volume of space around the object light can not
escape due to gravitation pull.
a singularity is a point mass. or in other words an object that takes
up no volume of space but has mass, which would cause it to have in
effect infinite density. the two have somewhat different behaviors,
but i dont know enough about them to really list the differences.
singularities are a sub class of black holes. also i dont think they
have been proven to exist yet, while black holes have been.
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>> The same would hold true of the Romulan Warbirds or Klingon Birds of Prey.
>> These aren't ship classes but rather designations. For example we've seen
>> several BoP classes (B'Rel, K'Vort, and at least one other). We've also seen
>> at least two Warbird classes, the current one and the ship from the TOS
>> episode "Balance of Terror." Even though the ship from "Balance of Terror"
>> is often referred to as a Bird of Prey, I prefer to call it an early Warbird
>> to avoid confusion with the Klingon BoP. The BoT ship seemed to be an exact
>> analogy to the current Warbird, a powerful ship with state of the art
>> weaponry able blow anything alse out of the sky regardless of class, so I'm
>> calling a Warbird.
Well, in STIII, the intro of the Klingon Bird of Prey, there was a
scene written that had Kurdge stealing a Romulan ship to complete his
mission. The scene was cut, but the ship remained a BoP. BTW-Those
ships seen in STI and a few early TNG Klingon eps were not Bop's, but
simple klingon ships.
-Bubba
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"Clifton W. Prescod, Jr." <cpre...@bc.cybernex.net> wrote:
>Robert,
>Thanks for the link. Nice site.
You're welcome. Here is the URL in case anyone else wants to check it out.
Absolut Star Trek web page :
http://www.solace.mh.se/~el302/startrek/index.html
>It seems the
>designers are trying to go back to the graceful swept wing look of the
>Kirkian movie Enterprise rather than the aero-euro racer design Andrew
>Probert chose for E-D.
Yeah. I love the pre-Generations movie Enterprise too.
>Bravo. The E-D looks more like a cruise ship that
>mated with a Heavy Cruiser.
That has to be the best discription of the E-D I've ever seen. One of my pet
peeves about that ship was all the windows. It remiinded me of the early
space shuttle launches in the early 80's where you could actually see tiles
falling of the shuttles heat shield. It took a long time for me to get used
to seeing the E-D without thinking that a bunch of tiles must have fallen of
the dang thing. :-)
>
>BTW, Did you ever play Star Fleet Battles? Your reference to the Romulan
>Bird of Prey is somewhat indicative of someone who played that game a lot.
No I've never played Star Fleet Battles it's just that "Balance of Terror"
is one of those episodes that leaves a tremendous impact on you. At least it
is to me.
>Anyhow, don't deny the Romulans their ownership of the name. The Klingons
>stole the design/ship (stated in The Art of Star Trek) and the Klingon BOP
>shows a clear mixture of Romulan technology mated to Klingon tech.
>
The Art of Star Trek isn't canon and anyway. Keep in mind the exchange of
technology that took place between the Klingons and Romulans in TOS ("The
Enterprise Incident"). My theory is that the BoP probably had its origins as
a Romulan vessel and was probably traded to the Klingons in exchange for
some other ship or technology.
>As for the Romulan BOP from BoT, only the Plasma weapon and the cloaking
>device were superior technology. It moved very slowly (limited warp
>capability) and was one of the reasons the Romulans made deals with the
>Klingons to purchase surplus D7 Klolode Class Battlecruisers (better warp
>technology).
That's probably how the Klingons got a hold of the original BoP.
> As I've stated in other posts, the Klingons are probably a
>lot like the Packleds (steal more tech than they develop) and would hardly
>have been able to develop superior technology if someone else hadn't done
>it first. The difference between Klingons and Packleds: they are lean
>mean fighting machines, not plodding sedentary sneak thieves.
>
I'm not sure about that. In the "The Next Phase" there are several
referances to Klingon attempts at creating a phased cloak. Also in "Day of
the Dove," Kor's wife mentions that she has heard rumors aobut how the
Federation tortures Klingon prisoners in order to learn their scientific
knowledge. So I think that Klingons probably have a strong interest in
developing military technology at least. At the same time they obviously
don't miss a chance to trade for or steal other race's technology. The BoP
is living proof of that. They may actually be more like Japanese
corporations importing technology and adapting it for their use often making
it as good or better than the original thing.
There were several other TOS episodes where the Klingons seemed pretty eager
to share advanced technology when it was in there own self interest. In
"Friday's Child," the Klingons are pretty eager to get at that planet's
dilithium and were probably willing to give away quite a bit of weapons
technology to get them. In "A Private Little War" they were arming a
primitive planet with low-tech firearms and gradually upgrading them in an
attempt to conquer a primitive planet. I don't think that the Klingons would
be so anxious to trade and even give away technology if they weren't
interested in developing it in the first place.
Yousuf Khan
On 2 Aug 1996 05:48:08 GMT, jgw...@unity.ncsu.edu (James Grady
Ward) wrote:
>>>A quantum singularity drive!? I suppose they carry this around with them. What happens
>>>when somebody accidentally puts his hand in the event horizon?
>>What happens when somebody accidenty put his hand in a warp core?
>>> Good grief, the event
>>>horizon itself must be bigger than the ship, not to mention the gravity pull.
>>There is no reason for a small singulary (they come in all masses up from
>>10^-8Kg to be bigger than a ship.
>small point here, black holes and singularities are not the same thing.
>a black hole is an object that has reached a density high enough that
>for some localized volume of space around the object light can not
>escape due to gravitation pull.
>a singularity is a point mass. or in other words an object that takes
>up no volume of space but has mass, which would cause it to have in
>effect infinite density. the two have somewhat different behaviors,
>but i dont know enough about them to really list the differences.
>singularities are a sub class of black holes. also i dont think they
>have been proven to exist yet, while black holes have been.
According to current theory, all black holes are quantum
singularities and vice-versa. The reason for the name change is
because a black hole is a construct of General Relativity theory,
but quantum singularities are a construct of Quantum Mechanics
(obviously). A black hole is produced when gravity overpowers all
other opposing forces, like electromagnetism, and the nuclear
forces. If no such thing as quantum mechanics existed, then a
black hole would be produced. But somebody recently realized that
once an object becomes as dense as this, that it is taking a
small enough of a volume of space that quantum mechanics
equations start taking effect. GR is the theory of really big,
grand things, and QM is the theory of really tiny, microscopic
things.
Unfortunately, our understanding of QM isn't complete yet. QM
only works upto a certain level of energy (measured in
electron-volts), and beyond that QM's equations no longer achieve
the right answers. So it's a big leap of faith to apply QM
equations to these objects, when in fact QM may not even apply at
the energy levels put out by these objects.
Now, it doesn't require a massive star to become a black
hole/quantum singularity (lets call it a super-dense object, to
keep it straight). All you need is an amazing compressive force.
The only reason we think we need a massive star is because so far
these massive stars are the only things we know of that could
provide this amazing compressive force to themselves. But in the
days of the big bang, it's possible that certain localized areas
of the universe caused enough compressive force to create tiny
super-dense objects, with no more mass than a small mountain, but
taking up very little room in terms of an event horizon.
Yousuf Khan
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Yousuf J. Khan
Aidan Pryde
In article <4tc0k0$e...@mawny.microagewny.com>, Deci...@microagewny.com
writes
>
>Greetings, Trekkers:
>
> Now, I might be biased, but the Romulan D'Lerinex-class escort is far
>superior to the Defiant, especially considering its size and firepower in
>relation to the Federation Defiant-class escorts. Being slightly larger than a
>Federation Danube-class runabout, but packing the same firepower as a
>Defiant-class escort, the D'Lerinex is obviously superior.
What about manuevourabilty (sorry i forget the spelling)?
With that "m" word you can be better, take starwars, a stardestroyer
cant kill a little ship because it's too "m" word.
A Defiant must be more maneuverable than a romulan.
Romulans are disciplined, but they only follow orders, a starfleet
officer will say if he has a better idea, he wont just follow orders if
they think they will endanger the crew.
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"I GOT BETTER THINGS TO DO TONIGHT THAN DIE"
"YOU CAN DO MORE WITH A KIND WORD AND A GUN, THAN WITH A KIND WORD ALONE"
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Aidan Pryde- of the USS MAGELLAN
John Cole- of the VULCAN SPACE STATION
The assassin- of the VULCAN SPACE STATION
Gene Tang
John B. Sterner III (j...@dana.ucc.nau.edu) wrote:
: Deci...@microagewny.com (Lord Praetor Decius Tal, P.G., IRG) wrote:
: > Greetings, Trekkers:
: > One must also take into account the quantum singularity drive which
: > powers the D'Lerinex-- an invariably inexhaustable source of power: a self-
: > sustaining miniature black hole. What occurs when a Starfleet vessel runs out
: > of Deuterium or Dilithium? Nothing; that's my point.
: A quantum singularity drive!? I suppose they carry this around with them. What happens
: when somebody accidentally puts his hand in the event horizon? Good grief, the event
: horizon itself must be bigger than the ship, not to mention the gravity pull.
Still, they have them.
Depending on the mass of the AQS (artificial quantum singularity), the
event horizon could be quite small.
As it is, it looks to be about a foot in diameter.
That's what they've shown on TNG anyways, and I'm guessing that the
lighted area is just outside the event horizon.