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peli...@oakridge.lbe.edu.on.ca

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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Yes, the USS Defiant is the only Federation Starship that is capable of
cloaking, unless you count the USS Pegasus, but that ship is unsalvageable.
The Federation is forbidden from pursuing cloaking technology in the Treaty of
Algeron, which is the treaty that governs relations between the Romulans and
The Federation. However, The Romulans agreed to give one cloaking device for
the Defiant in exchange for all of the intelligence Starfleet had gathered
concerning the Dominion.


Hope this clears things up for you

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James Becktel

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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I bet the USS Valiant could('ve) cloaked.


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Rahul Rao

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Why? Your claim is just idle speculation. There was no indication or evidence of
the Valiant's capability to cloak. It has been established by the Treaty of Algeron
that no Federation vessel have a cloaking device, with the exception of the Defiant
- which as you remember used to have a Romulan officer on board to moniter the use
of the cloak. Defiant was equiped with a cloak in return for intelligence on
Dominion activity in the Gamma Quadrant - technically (IIRC) the Defiant is not
allowed to cloak in the Alpha Quadrant, but that could have changed.

Rahul Rao

Falc2199

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May 21, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/21/98
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>
>I bet the USS Valiant could('ve) cloaked.

Doubtful, if it could have those brats crewing it would have.

Falc

peli...@oakridge.lbe.edu.on.ca

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May 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/22/98
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In article <356451B0...@priest.com>,

> I bet the USS Valiant could('ve) cloaked.

No, it couldn't, because the Treaty of Algeron clearly states that the
Federation shall not pursue cloaking technology. The only exception to this
is the USS Defiant, and technically, they are only supposed to use that one in
the Gamma Quadrant, but they haven't always stuck to that rule.

Sue Slechta

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May 22, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/22/98
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In article <6k1a4u$23n$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
peli...@oakridge.lbe.edu.on.ca wrote:

> Yes, the USS Defiant is the only Federation Starship that is capable of
> cloaking, unless you count the USS Pegasus, but that ship is unsalvageable.
> The Federation is forbidden from pursuing cloaking technology in the Treaty of
> Algeron, which is the treaty that governs relations between the Romulans and
> The Federation. However, The Romulans agreed to give one cloaking device for
> the Defiant in exchange for all of the intelligence Starfleet had gathered
> concerning the Dominion.
>

>While the Pegasus WAS unsalvageable, the "phased cloaking device" WAS
salvaged, that was how the Enterprise got out of the Asteroid, after the
enterancehad ben blasted shut by the Romulans. I do not think that there
has been another mention of the device since then.

sue

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Jim Jackson

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May 23, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/23/98
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Ummm woah, hang on a sec. There is a strong implication E-E can cloak.. Yeah
I know a toy is the NOT the best scientific evidence to go on but.. the E-E
toy does have a cloaking sound button on it.. Now of all the ones I own
the different Trek ships) I have yet to see ANY of the toys not be darn
close to what it is supposed to represent.

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peli...@oakridge.lbe.edu.on.ca wrote in message
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>Yes, the USS Defiant is the only Federation Starship that is capable of
>cloaking, unless you count the USS Pegasus, but that ship is unsalvageable.
>The Federation is forbidden from pursuing cloaking technology in the Treaty
of
>Algeron, which is the treaty that governs relations between the Romulans
and
>The Federation. However, The Romulans agreed to give one cloaking device
for
>the Defiant in exchange for all of the intelligence Starfleet had gathered
>concerning the Dominion.
>
>

>Hope this clears things up for you
>
>
>

larry_the...@my-dejanews.com

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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>While the Pegasus WAS unsalvageable, the "phased cloaking device" WAS
>salvaged, that was how the Enterprise got out of the Asteroid, after the
>enterancehad ben blasted shut by the Romulans.

Yes, that's true, but that cloaking device was in violation of the Treaty OOf
Algeron, and Admiral Pressman was arrested and court martialed for this crime.

larry_the...@my-dejanews.com

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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In article <6k78r4$t9...@news2.ntr.net>,

"Jim Jackson" <jsja...@ntr.net> wrote:
>
> Ummm woah, hang on a sec. There is a strong implication E-E can cloak.. Yeah
> I know a toy is the NOT the best scientific evidence to go on but.. the E-E
> toy does have a cloaking sound button on it.. Now of all the ones I own
> the different Trek ships) I have yet to see ANY of the toys not be darn
> close to what it is supposed to represent.


Did you not see the episode of TNG called The Pegasus? It was clearly stated
there that in The Treaty Of Algeron the Federation agreed, in good faith, not
to develop cloaking technology. Admiral Pressman was arrested when Picard
discovered that he had been involved in an attempt to develop cloaking
technology for the Federation, and Pressman was court martialed, along with
several others at Starfleet Intelligence.

To make it short: NO Federation Ship is allowed to have Cloaking technology

larry_the...@my-dejanews.com

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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In article <6k78r4$t9...@news2.ntr.net>,
"Jim Jackson" <jsja...@ntr.net> wrote:
>
> Ummm woah, hang on a sec. There is a strong implication E-E can cloak.. Yeah
> I know a toy is the NOT the best scientific evidence to go on but.. the E-E
> toy does have a cloaking sound button on it.. Now of all the ones I own
> the different Trek ships) I have yet to see ANY of the toys not be darn
> close to what it is supposed to represent.


Did you not see the episode of TNG called The Pegasus? It was clearly stated
there that in The Treaty Of Algeron the Federation agreed, in good faith, not
to develop cloaking technology. Admiral Pressman was arrested when Picard
discovered that he had been involved in an attempt to develop cloaking
technology for the Federation, and Pressman was court martialed, along with
several others at Starfleet Intelligence.

To make it short: NO Federation Ship is allowed to have Cloaking technology

Except the Defiant.

Charles A Robison

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May 24, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/24/98
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In the last episode of TNG Riker comes to Rescue in Enterprise that
de-cloaks. He blasts a Klingon ship with a huge phaser shot. The others
ran off.
Charlie

Gladys Navarro

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May 28, 1998, 3:00:00 AM5/28/98
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larry_the...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
: In article <6k78r4$t9...@news2.ntr.net>,

: "Jim Jackson" <jsja...@ntr.net> wrote:
: >
: > Ummm woah, hang on a sec. There is a strong implication E-E can cloak.. Yeah
: > I know a toy is the NOT the best scientific evidence to go on but.. the E-E
: > toy does have a cloaking sound button on it.. Now of all the ones I own
: > the different Trek ships) I have yet to see ANY of the toys not be darn
: > close to what it is supposed to represent.


: Did you not see the episode of TNG called The Pegasus? It was clearly stated
: there that in The Treaty Of Algeron the Federation agreed, in good faith, not
: to develop cloaking technology. Admiral Pressman was arrested when Picard
: discovered that he had been involved in an attempt to develop cloaking
: technology for the Federation, and Pressman was court martialed, along with
: several others at Starfleet Intelligence.

: To make it short: NO Federation Ship is allowed to have Cloaking technology


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Although Federation Ships are not allowed to have cloaking devices, in the
ST book "The Return" they have a defiant-class ship which cloaks in order
to infiltrate a station overrun with the borg, so i would assume that Star
Fleet has cloaking devices (in the show), under lock and key of course,
but they haven't
used them because of the treaty.


Lars P Ormberg

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Jun 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM6/1/98
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Jim Jackson wrote:
>
> Ummm woah, hang on a sec. There is a strong implication E-E can cloak.. Yeah
> I know a toy is the NOT the best scientific evidence to go on but.. the E-E
> toy does have a cloaking sound button on it.. Now of all the ones I own
> the different Trek ships) I have yet to see ANY of the toys not be darn
> close to what it is supposed to represent.

You haven't seen the (laughable) E-E ERTL model with the wrong saucer,
then.

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