In the Cards - Worst DS9 ever!!!
Lae...@webtv.net
I am angry that these writers could write such
garbage as this episode. Right before the
season finale should be an episode leading
into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
believe that this script got past the first draft.
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A) Money - humans do have money. There
has been reference many times to credits.
Quark does not give his stuff away. During
many episodes of TNG federation people
were buying stuff from other societies.
In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
was buying cloth. The conversation between
Nog and Jake about money should never
have happened. Writers failed miserably.
B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
in. Completely out of character for Nog and
Jake if Jake knew about it.
C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
the Domain must have realized that they were
running a risk of the boys telling.
D) Quark knew that the boys had wanted the
card so why did he not make seperate lot.
During auctions if someone is interested in
one part of a lot auctioneers will seperate
the lot. They tend to make more money
particurarly if the stuff in the lot is all unrelated.
E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
the Chief are very gullible.
F) Who was the idiot who put Earth antiques
with Bajoran antiques? Any auctioneer would
have known about merging two extremely
disimilar items together? The writers i could
tell probably never went to an auction.
G) What really ticked me off was that the
writers put so little emphasis on the negotiations and so much time on
Mays.
The negotiations were pivotal to the
storyline and the writers treated it like
an afterthought.
Grade D- the only saving grace was the
conversation between Sisko and Kai Winn.
When Kai asked Sisko that she would do
want he wanted was so well done. Louise
Fletcher did such a good job in that scene.
She mixed arrogance with desperation
so great.
Dan T
Fan of Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
Fan of Celine Dion
"Love Doesn't Ask Why" (Celine Dion)
B.J.
I didn't think the episode was that bad.
I can think of episodes a lot worse than this ("The Muse" comes to mind)
> Right before the
> season finale should be an episode leading
> into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
> believe that this script got past the first draft.s
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> A) Money - humans do have money. There
> has been reference many times to credits.
> Quark does not give his stuff away. During
> many episodes of TNG federation people
> were buying stuff from other societies.
> In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
> was buying cloth. The conversation between
> Nog and Jake about money should never
> have happened. Writers failed miserably.
It was almost a direct qoute from Picard
in First Contact.
> B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
> fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
> in. Completely out of character for Nog and
> Jake if Jake knew about it.
Oh no. They took Julian's bear.
> C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
> the Domain must have realized that they were
> running a risk of the boys telling.
I don't think the Dominion would be all that
worried about the boys telling. What's the
worst that could happen.
> E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
> way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
> the Chief are very gullible.
>
> F) Who was the idiot who put Earth antiques
> with Bajoran antiques?
Probably the same kind of auctioneers that put
Native American artifacts with 1950's trinkets
like they do at a lot of auctions I go to.
> G) What really ticked me off was that the
> writers put so little emphasis on the negotiations and so much time on
> Mays.
> The negotiations were pivotal to the
> storyline and the writers treated it like
> an afterthought.
Actually they treated it like the B-story, which it was.
It may have been interesting if they had made it the
A-story, but the Jake and Nog stuff was the main
story.
> Grade D- the only saving grace was the
> conversation between Sisko and Kai Winn.
> When Kai asked Sisko that she would do
> want he wanted was so well done. Louise
> Fletcher did such a good job in that scene.
> She mixed arrogance with desperation
> so great.
I liked that scene as well.
Nelson Lu
In article <5nvda2$3ig$1...@newsd-101.bryant.webtv.net>,>garbage as this episode. Right before the
>into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
>believe that this script got past the first draft.
Uh -- you think this is worse than "Let He Who Is Without Sin..."? I thought
it a pretty good episode myself, but I don't see how it can be considered
the worst.
>A) Money - humans do have money. There
>has been reference many times to credits.
>Quark does not give his stuff away. During
>many episodes of TNG federation people
>were buying stuff from other societies.
>In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
>was buying cloth. The conversation between
>Nog and Jake about money should never
>have happened. Writers failed miserably.
However, note that Jake has never had a "job" as such. Further, the credits
seen in other episodes might be provided on a rationed basis to Starfleet
officers who need to interact with foreign cultures. Jake is not a Starfleet
officer, and might not have that access.
>
>B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
>fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
>in. Completely out of character for Nog and
>Jake if Jake knew about it.
It's Bashir's bear, not Leeta's.
>C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
>the Domain must have realized that they were
>running a risk of the boys telling.
And how do you expect them to be "telling" from the grave? As I understood it,
Weyoun threatened to kill them (or perhaps to send them off to that penal
colony thing and replace them with changlings).
Kamin
> A) Money - humans do have money. There
> has been reference many times to credits.
> Quark does not give his stuff away. During
> many episodes of TNG federation people
> were buying stuff from other societies.
> In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
> was buying cloth. The conversation between
> Nog and Jake about money should never
> have happened. Writers failed miserably.
If you remember, the money was Nog's. A big deal was made when Nog
applied to Starfleet that he wasn't a Federation citizen. Also, there
may not be monetary exchange WITHIN in Federation, but they need some
form of currency when dealing with other cultures.
> B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
> fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
> in. Completely out of character for Nog and
> Jake if Jake knew about it.
It was Bashir's bear.
> C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
> the Domain must have realized that they were
> running a risk of the boys telling.
I think Weyoun threatened to kill them, n'est pas?
> D) Quark knew that the boys had wanted the
> card so why did he not make seperate lot.
> During auctions if someone is interested in
> one part of a lot auctioneers will seperate
> the lot. They tend to make more money
> particurarly if the stuff in the lot is all unrelated.
It wasn't Quark's merchandise. That was made clear in the trailor.
> E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
> way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
> the Chief are very gullible.
Nog is on his way to being a Starfleet officer, and Jake is the son of
the ranking officer along the Cardassian border. Would you trust them?
> F) Who was the idiot who put Earth antiques
> with Bajoran antiques? Any auctioneer would
> have known about merging two extremely
> disimilar items together? The writers i could
> tell probably never went to an auction.
Again, as wwas made clear, the lot being auctioned was the chest and
contents.
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SoupTime
I was quite surprised at the vehemence of some posts regarding this
episode. Has everybody lost their sense of humor? While the episode as a
whole may not fall into the "laughed so hard I fell off my chair/couch"
category, it certainly was not in the category of "worst ever". What
about the references to acrylic painting on velvet (and bought by Morn of
all people), the phrase "lions, Geigers & bears (oh my)--Wizard of Oz
reference.
As to the auction, have you never heard of "mixed lots". Yes, auctioneers
will separate lots if they feel they can get more separately, but also if
they are knowledgeable auctioneers, they might also combine a
semi-valuable item with lesser items in order to get rid of all of them in
one shot. Auctioneers usually don't like to carry over inventory. They
like to get rid of everything.
One thing that did surprise me and which was a MAJOR blooper (I'm
surprised it got past the final editing) was the scene in which Sisko was
chewing out Jake and Nog about their chat with the Kai when Sisko
(addressing Jake) said, Jirroc...... This blooper was brought up in some
newsgroup recently and I watched for it and there it was! Obviously,
Avery Brooks was combining the actor's name with the character's.
I personally thought the writers did a very good job, injecting humor into
the episode that was not slapstick or cheap. They brought together a lot
of loose story arcs and provided an excellent lead in for the season
finale. I found the episode enjoyable. That's MY two cents.
RAVEN623
>I am angry that these writers could write such
>garbage as this episode. Right before the
>season finale should be an episode leading
>into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
>believe that this script got past the first draft.
Wasn't Laertes one of the Bard's noisiest windbags?
Raven
Just a caveman in faded blue jeans...
Kamin
> One thing that did surprise me and which was a MAJOR blooper (I'm
> surprised it got past the final editing) was the scene in which Sisko was
> chewing out Jake and Nog about their chat with the Kai when Sisko
> (addressing Jake) said, Jirroc...... This blooper was brought up in some
> newsgroup recently and I watched for it and there it was! Obviously,
> Avery Brooks was combining the actor's name with the character's.
Jose Gonzalez
On 15 Jun 1997, SoupTime wrote:
Minor Spoilers***
> One thing that did surprise me and which was a MAJOR blooper (I'm
> surprised it got past the final editing) was the scene in which Sisko was
> chewing out Jake and Nog about their chat with the Kai when Sisko
> (addressing Jake) said, Jirroc...... This blooper was brought up in some
> newsgroup recently and I watched for it and there it was! Obviously,
> Avery Brooks was combining the actor's name with the character's.
He doesn't say "Jirroc." He says "Drunk." His inflection may have
confused you, and if you say "drunk" slowly, it does sound a bit like
"Jirroc."
No blooper here.
-
Jose Gonzalez
Mimi W. Tzeng
Lae...@webtv.net wrote:
: I am angry that these writers could write such
: season finale should be an episode leading
: into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
: believe that this script got past the first draft.
Actually, I thought the B plot was a pretty good lead-in to the
season finale (judging by the previews - I haven't actually seen
the finale yet).
In general, I enjoyed this episode. Not the best one I've ever
seen, but certainly not the worst.
: A) Money - humans do have money. There
: has been reference many times to credits.
: Quark does not give his stuff away. During
: many episodes of TNG federation people
: were buying stuff from other societies.
: In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
: was buying cloth. The conversation between
: Nog and Jake about money should never
: have happened. Writers failed miserably.
I thought that conversation was a pretty good comparison between how
the Ferengi do it and how the Federation do it. As for the credits, I
think that's a perennial issue that's been discussed at length in the
past, but when Jake said that the Federation doesn't use money it was
well within canon - regardless of what you think "credits" are.
: B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
: fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
: in. Completely out of character for Nog and
: Jake if Jake knew about it.
Stealing is not at all out of character for Nog. I'm specifically thinking
of a scene where Nog is selling his stuff as a ritual of adulthood (or
something to that effect) and Kira notices one item for sale that had gone
missing from her quarters several months back... (this was also the same
sale where Worf picks up a teeth sharpener). And Nog, raised as a typical
Ferengi, remember how he used to get in trouble all the time, but only with
Quark if he gets caught?
And as for Jake, remember, he was pretty obsessed. Besides, as others
have mentioned, the bear is actually Bashir's and not Leeta's.
: C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
: the Domain must have realized that they were
: running a risk of the boys telling.
A risk of what? If they got returned safe and sound (so they could do
any telling), what would anyone do to the Dominion?
: D) Quark knew that the boys had wanted the
: card so why did he not make seperate lot.
: During auctions if someone is interested in
: one part of a lot auctioneers will seperate
: the lot. They tend to make more money
: particurarly if the stuff in the lot is all unrelated.
It wasn't his stuff that he was selling, and not all auctioneers are
equally logical/competent?
: E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
: way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
: the Chief are very gullible.
Because they were well-known and well-trusted, so that neither would
expect them to do anything wrong with the stuff. And I don't think they
were fooling Julian; he didn't ask what they were doing with the stuff
because he trusted them with it.
: F) Who was the idiot who put Earth antiques
: with Bajoran antiques? Any auctioneer would
: have known about merging two extremely
: disimilar items together? The writers i could
: tell probably never went to an auction.
Not all auctioneers are equally competent? And who's to say that Bajoran
auctioneers think anything like human ones?
: G) What really ticked me off was that the
: writers put so little emphasis on the negotiations and so much time on
: Mays.
: The negotiations were pivotal to the
: storyline and the writers treated it like
: an afterthought.
As I mentioned, I thought the B plot (the negotiations) were a good lead-in
for whatever happens in the finale. They were hardly pivotal to THIS
storyline - which was about the baseball card, remember - but they may be
to the finale storyline.
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Lae...@webtv.net wrote:
: I am angry that these writers could write such
: garbage as this episode. Right before the
: season finale should be an episode leading
: into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
: believe that this script got past the first draft.
: p
: i
: l
: e
: r
: s
: A) Money - humans do have money. There : has been reference many times
to credits. : Quark does not give his stuff away. During : many episodes
of TNG federation people : were buying stuff from other societies. : In
the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher : was buying cloth. The
conversation between : Nog and Jake about money should never : have
happened. Writers failed miserably.
Well, they've never been able to decide if they have it or not, actually.
Lazy writing that has been going on for years.
: B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
: fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
: in. Completely out of character for Nog and
: Jake if Jake knew about it.
Yep, silly.
: C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
: the Domain must have realized that they were
: running a risk of the boys telling.
Well, the *Dominion* is at war with the Feds, and are on DS9 as Bajoran
guests. They don't care what Sisko thinks, really.
: D) Quark knew that the boys had wanted the
: card so why did he not make seperate lot.
: During auctions if someone is interested in
: one part of a lot auctioneers will seperate
: the lot. They tend to make more money
: particurarly if the stuff in the lot is all unrelated.
Because he thought he could get more money for the whole thing, which he
did.
: E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
: way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
: the Chief are very gullible.
Well, we *ARE* talking about Julian and the Chief here, aren't we?
: F) Who was the idiot who put Earth antiques
: with Bajoran antiques? Any auctioneer would
: have known about merging two extremely
: disimilar items together? The writers i could
: tell probably never went to an auction.
And you have "went" to one?
: G) What really ticked me off was that the
: writers put so little emphasis on the negotiations and so much time on
: Mays.
: The negotiations were pivotal to the
: storyline and the writers treated it like
: an afterthought.
I think they took very seriously the true point of the negotiations, which
was the scene between Winn and Sisko where she asks his advice and she
gives it. Love Louise Fletcher, ear-grabbing old hussy that she is! Try
that on a Ferengi, why don'cha, Kai Winn?
: Grade D- the only saving grace was the
: conversation between Sisko and Kai Winn.
: When Kai asked Sisko that she would do
: want he wanted was so well done. Louise
: Fletcher did such a good job in that scene.
: She mixed arrogance with desperation
: so great.
Yep, she's vital to the show. If only Opaka were still around, as well.
Or Bariel.
: Dan T
: Fan of Buffy, the Vampire Slayer
: Fan of Celine Dion
Uhm, shouldn't the above to tastes produce a fatal logical error? The
irony factor of the former should completely rule out the syrup potential
of the second.
Shawn
Fan of Buffy
Fan of Crystal Waters
Chris
A) Money - humans do have money. There : has been reference many times
to credits. : Quark does not give his stuff away. During : many episodes
of TNG federation people : were buying stuff from other societies. : In
the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher : was buying cloth. The
conversation between : Nog and Jake about money should never : have
happened. Writers failed miserably.
Only the officers get the credit and if the officers want to give their
kids credit if they want to. jake didn't what to ask his dad for money
to "tip" him off
: B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
: fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
: in. Completely out of character for Nog and
: Jake if Jake knew about it.
if you remember the first episode of ST:DS9, nog was the one that stole
the stuff for quark for the med bay,(i think) so not out character!
: C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
: the Domain must have realized that they were
: running a risk of the boys telling.
Well, the *Dominion* is at war with the Feds, and are on DS9 as Bajoran
guests. They don't care what Sisko thinks, really.
D) Quark knew that the boys had wanted the
card so why did he not make seperate lot.
During auctions if someone is interested in
one part of a lot auctioneers will seperate
the lot. They tend to make more money
particurarly if the stuff in the lot is all unrelated.
true
Chris
Kamin wrote:
>
> > One thing that did surprise me and which was a MAJOR blooper (I'm
> > surprised it got past the final editing) was the scene in which Sisko was
> > chewing out Jake and Nog about their chat with the Kai when Sisko
> > (addressing Jake) said, Jirroc...... This blooper was brought up in some
> > newsgroup recently
recook77
>
> : A) Money - humans do have money. There : has been reference many times
> to credits. : Quark does not give his stuff away. During : many episodes
> of TNG federation people : were buying stuff from other societies. : In
> the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher : was buying cloth. The
> conversation between : Nog and Jake about money should never : have
> happened. Writers failed miserably.
Other cultures *do* have money; we have to assume that Starfleet officers
get a stipend that allows them to buy things as needed.
Russell Christiansen
I have to say, this DS9 was hypnotising; it can put you to sleep. Man
was it a bore!
- Russell Christiansen
David E. Sluss
Russell Christiansen <xia...@mcs.com> wrote:
RC>I have to say, this DS9 was hypnotising; it can put you to sleep. Man
RC>was it a bore!
Not enough kewl ships and explosions for you? Looks like you'll get your
quota next week....
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Mimi W. Tzeng wrote:
>
> Lae...@webtv.net wrote:
> : I am angry that these writers could write such
> : garbage as this episode. Right before the
> : season finale should be an episode leading
> : into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
> : believe that this script got past the first draft.
>
> season finale (judging by the previews - I haven't actually seen
> the finale yet).
>
> In general, I enjoyed this episode. Not the best one I've ever
> seen, but certainly not the worst.
>
> : has been reference many times to credits.
> : Quark does not give his stuff away. During
> : many episodes of TNG federation people
> : were buying stuff from other societies.
> : In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
> : was buying cloth. The conversation between
> : Nog and Jake about money should never
> : have happened. Writers failed miserably.
>
> the Ferengi do it and how the Federation do it. As for the credits, I
> think that's a perennial issue that's been discussed at length in the
> past, but when Jake said that the Federation doesn't use money it was
> well within canon - regardless of what you think "credits" are.
>
But in that case we are still left with the mystery of how Bashir and
O'Brien get served at Quarks. Unless of course drinks are being
extorted from Quark as a price for staying in business. Quark wouldn't
have a serious problem with this, since that's how Ferengi government
works anyway.
The interesting aspect about this concept of a moneyless economy, is
that it implies that any commodity which is in short supply is rationed
out on the basis of the government's perception of the person's need.
For example, Vash was considered unworthy of interstellar travel, and
therefore had to swindle a Ferengi to get off planet. The mystery here
is how the Picard family manages to keep it's rather substantial
vineyard. Sure by now most of that land would have been re-allocated
to people looking for a place to live, or as parkland by
the government. Perhaps it's smaller than I perceived it as being.
Greg Sarcasm Is A Way Of Life Spira
I thought this was an excellent episode. DS9 continues to amaze me by
doing these kind of episodes as well as they do. And its an absolutely
perfect lead-in for next week's finale.
The only negative was that Jake/Nog money conversation, which made no
sense.
I do wonder why DS9 can make a great episode out of so little while Voyager
does so little even when they have a lot more to work with.
Greg
Rich K. (netaxs staff)
Lae...@webtv.net wrote:
:
: fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
: in. Completely out of character for Nog and
: Jake if Jake knew about it.
Oh, the reason for putting that in is obvious. It was an essential
element for setting up Nog's punchline on the Promenade after watching Kai
Winn talking to the Bajoran who bid against them...
Jake: Let me introduce you to another human expression. We're going to
beard the lion in it's den.
Nog: Lions and Tigons and bears...
Jake (looking up at Kai Winn and friend depart): Oh, my.
Glen Quigley
recook77 (reco...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: >
: > : A) Money - humans do have money. There : has been reference many times
: > to credits. : Quark does not give his stuff away. During : many episodes
: > of TNG federation people : were buying stuff from other societies. : In
: > the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher : was buying cloth. The
: > conversation between : Nog and Jake about money should never : have
: > happened. Writers failed miserably.
: Other cultures *do* have money; we have to assume that Starfleet officers
: get a stipend that allows them to buy things as needed.
Yes in the federation they have credits, and Quark would accept them for
bar tabs, converting them to latinum. But at the auction they probably
wanted "CASH" which Jake probably could not exchange his credits for
while staying in Federation controled space while being a citizen.
--
Glen Quigley
d015...@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us
John R Stobo
>> : A) Money - humans do have money. There
>> : has been reference many times to credits.
>> : Quark does not give his stuff away. During
>> : many episodes of TNG federation people
>> : were buying stuff from other societies.
>> : In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
>> : was buying cloth. The conversation between
>> : Nog and Jake about money should never
>> : have happened. Writers failed miserably.
>>
We should also remember that the TNG officers were often shown
playing poker. What were they betting with?
I would hazard that the problem is more with the transfer ability of
credits across political boundaries. In order that credits don't float all
over the galaxy and become susceptible to who know what kind of manipulation
by non-Federation governments they are probably tightly controlled by treaties.
A non-Federation unit probably has to make some sort of arrangement with the
Federation to take credits for payment, probably only being able to spend them
in turn on Federation goods. This would be fine for a place like Quark's,
which most likely buys its supplies through Federation sources. A place like
his probably works with many economies. And I'm sure, resourceful Federation
types are able to find or gamble their way (using goods) into acquiring
latinum.
Such a system would also likely be very traceable, like with present-
day ATM withdrawals. Jake would be leaving an electronic trail a mile wide if
he tried to acquire the goods with credits.
Jack
Ed Dravecky III
John R Stobo (jr...@vanakam.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
> We should also remember that the TNG officers were often shown
> playing poker. What were they betting with?
Probably the same stuff we were betting with when I was
at summer camp with the Boy Scouts--little plastic chips.
(We tried pretzels but then you nibble your winnings all
night and it's hard to tell who is winning...)
Actually, they did mention "credits" in one poker game but
those seem to be used only for away mission or very heavy
usage of the magical replicator...
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In article <5o4tne$a...@netaxs.com>,
r...@netaxs.com (Rich K. (netaxs staff)) wrote:
> Oh, the reason for putting that in is obvious. It was an essential
> element for setting up Nog's punchline on the Promenade after watching Kai
> Winn talking to the Bajoran who bid against them...
>
> Jake: Let me introduce you to another human expression. We're going
to
> beard the lion in it's den.
> Nog: Lions and Tigons and bears...
> Jake (looking up at Kai Winn and friend depart): Oh, my.
One small correction: The phrase he used was, "Lions and Geigers and
bears...." The man that Jake and Nog were helping was Geiger.
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In article <5o5o46$l...@nntp.seflin.org>,
> Yes in the federation they have credits, and Quark would accept them for
> bar tabs, converting them to latinum. But at the auction they probably
> wanted "CASH" which Jake probably could not exchange his credits for
> while staying in Federation controled space while being a citizen.
Just out of curiosity, has this ever been mentioned in dialogue? I'm
afraid I really don't remember Starfleet officers ever having said
anything about having credits.
Stephen C. Gallagher
Matt...@aol.com wrote:
>
> In article <5o5o46$l...@nntp.seflin.org>,
>
> > Yes in the federation they have credits, and Quark would accept them for
> > bar tabs, converting them to latinum. But at the auction they probably
> > wanted "CASH" which Jake probably could not exchange his credits for
> > while staying in Federation controled space while being a citizen.
>
> Just out of curiosity, has this ever been mentioned in dialogue? I'm
> afraid I really don't remember Starfleet officers ever having said
> anything about having credits.
In TOS:The Trouble With Tribbles, Station K7's bartender offered
to sell a tribble to Uhura for X credits, to which Cyrano Jones
said he was giving it to her for free. Obviously, the
bartender assumed that she had credits with which she
would pay.
Additionally, in ST:III The Search for Spock, McCoy was in a
bar trying to negotiate with an alien for transportation
to the Mutara Sector. The alien made a reference to money
and McCoy said "Money I've got, price you name, etc.."
I guess it depends on what Jake meant when he said he
didn't have any "money". Did he mean he didn't have
any "latinum" or he didn't have any money.
Stephen Gallagher
Matt Messina
B.J.<no...@none.net> wrote:
>Lae...@webtv.net wrote:
>> I am angry that these writers could write such
>> garbage as this episode.
I think you missed the point of the episode. In addition to being a
comedic episode, there was a message.
Recall that everyone was rather dejected at the beginning and happy at the
end, despite the fact that the Dominion situation hadn't changed. The
point here was that even in troublesome times, little things can still
cheer you up. (e.g. Sisko's baseball card, O'Brien's kayaking, Bashir's
bear)
>> Right before the
>> season finale should be an episode leading
>> into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
Why? Episodes that deviate from formula add variety and often improve the
season as a whole. (e.g. _Homicide_ "The Documentary" or _The X-Files_
"Musings of a Cigarette Smoking Man")
>> A) Money - humans do have money. There
>It was almost a direct qoute from Picard
>in First Contact.
Personally, I find Roddenberry's vision of "improvement" supplanting
currency laughable, but in television the writer is God, so if that's the
way he wants it, fine. Of course, there are inconsistencies with other
episodes (and even common sense, e.g. buying drinks at Quarks), but not
with _Star Trek_ canon.
>> B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
>> fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
>> in. Completely out of character for Nog and
>> Jake if Jake knew about it.
>
>Oh no. They took Julian's bear.
Whether they were stealing or "liberating" the bear, they took it without
Leeta's knowledge.
I had a different problem with that bit. Didn't Julian and Leeta part on
good terms? Why didn't Julian just ask her for his bear? (Of course that
would have deprived us of "Lions and Geigers and bears." "Oh my.")
>> E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
>> way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
>> the Chief are very gullible.
Maybe the materials weren't ingredients in e.g. weapons. It's possible
that Julian and the Chief didn't give much thought to why they wanted the
stuff.
>> G) What really ticked me off was that the
>> writers put so little emphasis on the negotiations and so much time on
>> Mays.
>> The negotiations were pivotal to the
>> storyline and the writers treated it like
>> an afterthought.
>
>Actually they treated it like the B-story, which it was.
Exactly. The negotiations may end up being pivotal to the long term story
arc, but they took a back seat in this episode.
--
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mes...@umich.edu
Graham Kennedy
In article <33A812...@istar.ca>, "Stephen C. Gallagher"
<stephen....@istar.ca> writes
Or maybe they stopped using money between ST III (McCoy : "money I got")
and ST IV (Kirk : "We don't use money in my century" {paraphrased}).
That gives us a date : Humanity stopped using money in late 2285, just
after ST III.
Learn something new every day... :)
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Victor
>I thought this was an excellent episode. DS9 continues to amaze me by
>doing these kind of episodes as well as they do. And its an absolutely
>perfect lead-in for next week's finale.
>
Agreed
>I do wonder why DS9 can make a great episode out of so little while
Voyager
>does so little even when they have a lot more to work with.
>
One of the great mysteries of life I guess :)
Victor
The Davis' of Rosehill
Good for you, NYCGuy, I found it one of the best too!
Love your quote too.
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NYCGuy <nyc...@NOTworldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<33a88fe2...@netnews2.worldnet.att.net>...
> Actually, I ranked this episode as one of my favorites of the season.
> I did find it peculiar that Jake and Nog were transported off DS9 without
> detection. Doesn't Star Fleet keep track of energy sources such as
phasers
> and transport beams, especially unauthorized ones?
> --
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>
> "to be yourself, in a world that tries, night and day, to make you just
> like everybody else - is to fight the greatest battle there ever is to
> fight, and never stop fighting" -- e.e. cummings
>
Dave Roy
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 17:57:37 GMT, ser...@earthlink.net (serfsup)
wrote:
>On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:44:52 -0400, Chris <da...@one.net> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> : B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
>> : fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
>> : in. Completely out of character for Nog and
>>: Jake if Jake knew about it.
>>
>>if you remember the first episode of ST:DS9, nog was the one that stole
>>the stuff for quark for the med bay,(i think) so not out character!
>>
>What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
>have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
It wasn't just *a* teddy bear....it was Kukalaka!!! His very first
patient. I think it's got a lot more sentimental value then just any
old teddy bear he could replicate.
Dave Roy
Paul Stethem
serfsup <ser...@earthlink.net> wrote in article
<33a9729b...@news.earthlink.net>...
> What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
> have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
You can't replicate nostalgia. This was the bear that he's had since he was
a child. It was his first patient, according to "The Quickening".
Keyser Soze
On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, serfsup wrote:
> What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
> have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Think about this for second. It is VERY possible that this was more than
just a teddy bear. It is VERY likely that if he wanted it back, it had
some sentimental value to him. It's almost like the "Picard family"
photobook and some of the things from the ready room taken from the
Enterprise D when it was being abandoned following Generations. He could
have easily replicated it but it isn't the same as having the object in
hand.
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Neal Dutta
ser...@earthlink.net (serfsup) wrote:
>What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
>have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Sentimental value of course :).
Neal Dutta
serfsup
On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:44:52 -0400, Chris <da...@one.net> wrote:
>
> : B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
> : fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
> : in. Completely out of character for Nog and
>: Jake if Jake knew about it.
>
>if you remember the first episode of ST:DS9, nog was the one that stole
>the stuff for quark for the med bay,(i think) so not out character!
>
Kamin
> I thought that they were transported to his ship, but in either case,
> shouldn't the non-Federation/non-DS9 initiated transport have been
> detected?
It's quite possible Federation/Cardassian sensors can't pick the
Dominion transporter up. I mean Eris either transported THROUGH the
wormhole, which might be doable now with the comminications relay, but
it was still in the drawing board at that point, or clear across the
galaxy. It may not even be a transporter--like the displacer device
used in "State of Flux" or "Displaced."
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On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 21:35:00 GMT, ndu...@nbnet.nb.ca (Neal Dutta) wrote:
>
>Sentimental value of course :).
>
> Neal Dutta
>
>
If this was Bashir's own teddy bear from his childhood, and 1st patient
(though it seems that this story changes) then surely he could ask Leeta
for the bear back. She seems the reasonable sort and since she and Julian
are no longer an item, why should she have it anyway? Quite frankly,
Bashir was a moron for giving it to her in the 1st place.
Charles J. Srstka
In article <33a9729b...@news.earthlink.net>, ser...@earthlink.net
(serfsup) wrote:
The thing probably has sentimental value to him, it's probably his teddy
bear from when he was a child or something.
Max F. Exter
On 19 Jun 1997 15:41:37 Keyser Soze wrote about "Re: In the Cards - Worst DS9 ever!!!":
> Think about this for second. It is VERY possible that this was more than
> just a teddy bear. It is VERY likely that if he wanted it back, it had
> some sentimental value to him. It's almost like the "Picard family"
There was an episode quite a while back where Bashir talks about the bear. I
don't recall the title, (The Quickening perhaps?) but he says that it was his
"first patient". He spent years keeping it together, and keeps it in his
office on DS9.
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ser...@earthlink.net (serfsup) wrote:
> If this was Bashir's own teddy bear from his childhood, and 1st patient
> (though it seems that this story changes) then surely he could ask Leeta
> for the bear back. She seems the reasonable sort and since she and Julian
> are no longer an item, why should she have it anyway? Quite frankly,
> Bashir was a moron for giving it to her in the 1st place.
I agree, but I can also fill in a subtext in which Julian didn't want
to talk to Leeta for reasons understood only by him - for instance, he
could be feeling peeved because she was about to be married and it
wasn't that long since they broke off their relationship. Some people
might have trouble saying "Congratulations on your engagement, now
please give me back my teddybear."
He indicated that he only loaned it to her, but that may not have been
clear to her. The circumstances of the gift\loan could have been more
affectionate than coherent.
(I don't even want to think of what any children of that marriage will
look like.)
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David Johnston
Graham Kennedy wrote:
> Or maybe they stopped using money between ST III (McCoy : "money I got")
> and ST IV (Kirk : "We don't use money in my century" {paraphrased}).
> That gives us a date : Humanity stopped using money in late 2285, just
> after ST III.
> Learn something new every day... :)
> --
> Graham Kennedy
Except it still doesn't make any sense.
JShupe
Stealing is in every Ferengi's character.
The bear belonged to Julian, and he had had it since he was at least 5
(Established in the episode about the blight)
Graham Kennedy
In article <33AA40...@telusplanet.net>, David Johnston
<rgo...@telusplanet.net> writes
No, but at least we now know when it stopped making sense :-p
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On Thu, 19 Jun 1997 10:21:03 -0500, "Mark K. Ehlert"
<mehlert@NO_SPAMcsbsju.edu> wrote:
>NYCGuy wrote:
>> I did find it peculiar that Jake and Nog were transported off DS9 without
>> detection. Doesn't Star Fleet keep track of energy sources such as phasers
>> and transport beams, especially unauthorized ones?
>
>I thought they were transported to Weyoun's quarters on the
>station? Hmmm...
No, they were beamed onto the Jem'Hadar battleship. But thing is,
Starfleet has had limited success tracking Jem'Hadar transporters.
John & Linda VanSickle
Let's leave the Talking Heads out of this...
Seriously, it was thrown in because Roddenberry believed that eliminating
money will make society better. Of course, people have tried this, but
the results aren't pretty.
Regards,
John
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bishop
Kamin wrote:
>
> > I thought that they were transported to his ship, but in either case,
> > shouldn't the non-Federation/non-DS9 initiated transport have been
> > detected?
> It's quite possible Federation/Cardassian sensors can't pick the
> Dominion transporter up. I mean Eris either transported THROUGH the
> wormhole, which might be doable now with the comminications relay, but
> it was still in the drawing board at that point, or clear across the
> galaxy. It may not even be a transporter--like the displacer device
> used in "State of Flux" or "Displaced."
How about this DS9 is a space station with the capibility of housing
many ships. There could 40 or 50 beam ins and beam outs a day. Why
would one more beam be strange? They prob. could have found out that
Nog was gone, but it would be a while before anyone would bother to
look.
Matthew Milam
To: Lar...@webtv.net
To understand the concept of "In The Cards" is too remember this....
We have had alot of tense episodes this season, and every show (Just like
b5) needs a break from tension, so they make an episode like "In the
Cards".
Jake and Nog have been underused on the show, so it's logically to put them
in an episode that's adventurours and has nothing to do with war, violence,
or even death.
It's just plain funny......
Yet another reason why i stick with DS9......
There willing to try things....
So stop your whining...
P.C. Kilinskas
In article <5nvda2$3ig$1...@newsd-101.bryant.webtv.net>,\garbage as this episode. Right before the
\into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
One phrase for you: "Let He Who Is Without Sin...". DS9 likes to
take chances, and this makes it the most interesting Trek show to
watch, IMHO.
Phil
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Dave Roy
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997 06:11:58 GMT, nyc...@NOTworldnet.att.net (NYCGuy)
wrote:
>It also just occurred to me that Nog wears a comm badge (don't remember if
>Jake does) and that the computer would automatically keep track of it's
>(and it's wearer's) location, especially when "hostiles" are around.
>I worked in a nuclear power plant, and the computer there kept track of
>where everyone was through the use of our badges when we used them to enter
>and leave different areas. In case of an emergency, security would be able
>to insure a complete evacuation and not leave anyone behind.
>Hard to believe that DS9 would not have similar provisions, at least for
>it's personnel (Nog's a cadet).
Except how many times have the TNG crew been surprised when one of
their personnel wasn't on the ship? How many times did we hear this
conversation:
Picard: Where's Dr. Crusher?
Riker: Computer, locate Dr. Crusher!
Computer: Dr. Crusher is not aboard the Enterprise.
In other words, the computer does keep track, but unless somebody asks
it, it doesn't announce when somebody leaves.
Dave Roy
De Castellvi Jaime M
NYCGuy (nyc...@NOTworldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Actually, I ranked this episode as one of my favorites of the season.
I tend to agree. It was a genuinely funny DSN episode. It was extremely
enjoyable, and it succeeded because it did not take itself to seriously,
nor as seriously as some people appear to be taking it. Its dramatic side
was well merged with the comedic plot, and it generated a very enjoyable
ep.
Cheers,
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In article <5nvda2$3ig$1...@newsd-101.bryant.webtv.net> Lae...@webtv.net writes:
>I am angry that these writers could write such
>garbage as this episode. Right before the
>season finale should be an episode leading
>into the finale. This did not in fact i cannot
>believe that this script got past the first draft.
Hey, did we miss something? Like the visit of one well-known cloned
minion of Dominion, on a mission that is of central importance to
the events of "Call to Arms"?
And I LIKED the show. I hated it from the first minute I read the
synopsis, then moaned in despair when it aired - and was so pleasantly
surprised that I had to laugh. The whole underplayed comedy was
quite different from usual Trek stuff, yet quaintly familiar. It took a
moment to make the connection: this episode actually played out exactly like
Micael Dorn's excellent Klingon character, proving that he can operate
the whole cast and crew the way he masters his own character...
>s
>p
>o
>i
>l
>e
>r
>s
Is THIS spoiler protection? Oh well...
>A) Money - humans do have money. There
>has been reference many times to credits.
>Quark does not give his stuff away. During
>many episodes of TNG federation people
>were buying stuff from other societies.
Ah, but these were all STARFLEET people. Evidently, the UFP
regulates foreign trade by keepig exchangeable currency out of
the hands of civilian teenagers...
>In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
>was buying cloth. The conversation between
>Nog and Jake about money should never
>have happened. Writers failed miserably.
Nope, they just took a step forward in explaining the Federation
economy. Now we know there are no salaries, no cash, no automatically
exchangable currency, and the average citizen has only a very hazy
picture of the economic system. Seems like the UFP is getting more
and more socialist by the minute...
>B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
>fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
>in. Completely out of character for Nog and
>Jake if Jake knew about it.
How so? Nog has been doing stuff like that for ages, both before
and after his father regained his respect. That's just the heart
of the Ferengi culture - family is a great resource to be exploited,
and Rom might be actually proud of what Nog did.
Now Jake is a slightly different matter, but then again, he was
quite baffled by the whole concept of "economy based on need",
and uncomfortable with the whole situation. He simply did not want
to bail out at the crucial moment, and probably was not even
familiar enough with the concept of stealing to realize what was
happening...
>C) The kidnapping of Jake and Nog. Come on
>the Domain must have realized that they were
>running a risk of the boys telling.
With the big fleet coming through on the next episode, one might
think Weoyn didn't care. Had there really been a plot against
his life, he would probably have ordered an attack on the station
at once!
>D) Quark knew that the boys had wanted the
>card so why did he not make seperate lot.
What, and lose all the money he got by playing the boys
against the mad scientist? By selling the items in two lots,
he would have had no second offer for the card OR the rest
of the box, and would have lost ROYALLY.
>During auctions if someone is interested in
>one part of a lot auctioneers will seperate
>the lot. They tend to make more money
>particurarly if the stuff in the lot is all unrelated.
Not in this case. All of the stuff inside was junk, and Quark knew
it. Only, the boys (and nobody else) were interested in one item,
and the scientist (and nobody else) in another. As soon as the
two parties started raising the stakes (and others showed no interest,
Quark must have realized that splitting the lot would have meant
HUGE losses.
>E) Did the boys get the stuff too easily. The
>way they did it was well stupid or Julian and
>the Chief are very gullible.
Who knows what the stuff was really worth? Julian may have been
giving away stuff of totally no inherent value, thinking this
was just a fun game the boys were playing - he wants to be seen
as young, too. O'Brien, of course, played the role of "understanding
father" here. Worf never gets the joke anyway, so he probably took
Nog's cover story (whatever it was) at face value, muttering something
about the insanity of the whole Ferengi race...
Frankly, I can't see anybody on the station who would NOT have
played along when the station commander's son came to them in
an apparent USO entertainment mission, playing wacky games with them
while providing nice services... Except, of course, Sisko himself.
But he was not consulted, apparently!
>F) Who was the idiot who put Earth antiques
>with Bajoran antiques? Any auctioneer would
>have known about merging two extremely
>disimilar items together? The writers i could
>tell probably never went to an auction.
Hey, Quark knew the stuff was JUNK. There were no "antiques" in
there, just trash. Quark simply spread the widest possible net in
hopes of attracting some attention, and having an excuse to
change the buyer of one item for the price of the whole lot.
Selling the items one by one would not have gotten even the
starting price for most of them!
>G) What really ticked me off was that the
>writers put so little emphasis on the negotiations and so much time on
>Mays. The negotiations were pivotal to the storyline and the writers
>treated it like an afterthought.
Are you perhaps a B5 fan? I am, and I think one of the greatest
strengths of that show is the way the viewer is forced to decide
which is crucial to the plot and which isn't. And the more hidden
a detail of a B5 episode is in the background, the more important
it will turn out to be a few episodes later...
The negotiations were pivotal to the story arc, not to the episode -
for the purposes of "In the Cards", they were just a vehicle to
get a powerful, suspicious guy to the station to harrass the boys.
>Grade D- the only saving grace was the
>conversation between Sisko and Kai Winn.
I'd give it A-, with a 1.0 grade increase to the basic grade from
the fact that this episode was so exceptional to the DS9 show. And
extra points for the shock value - this gives an excellent contrast to
the season-ender, while a more sinister episode would just water down
the cliffhanger.
>When Kai asked Sisko that she would do
>want he wanted was so well done. Louise
>Fletcher did such a good job in that scene.
>She mixed arrogance with desperation
>so great.
I loved the distanced feeling of the characters - it felt so *unreal*.
In fact, that is a keyword for the whole episode. What we got was
a gigantic, smiling red herring. Nothing happened and yet everything
changed.
At first we are given a war that is off screen, the characters distanced
from it by lightyears. Then, a plotline where everybody is distanced from
each other by their need to keep secrets or by their solitary sulking.
Even Jake and Nog are at odds because of the money issue. Nobody moves,
thinks or acts in pairs save for our main characters - there are no
character moments between the regulars, save for the Weoyn and Winn
discussions where Sisko feels enmity towards the first and has no
way of coming to contact with or consoling the second. A true Worf
feeling, everybody separated in his or her small niche, trying to
immerse themselves in their work, isolated from the rest of the world.
And then a fantasy, a children's game, suddenly and irresistibly tears
down all these barriers, resulting not in the usual pairing of characters
but in one gigantic happy collective moment that sweeps the station like
a spell out of a fairy tale.
Still, to the very end, the happiness of the characters is solitary
and private in nature, very Worf, very touching.
I loved every piece of the show. Perhaps you could see it in
different light, too?
Timo Saloniemi
Pallida Mors
serfsup (ser...@earthlink.net) wrote:
: On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:44:52 -0400, Chris <da...@one.net> wrote:
: >
: > : B) Nog stealing the bear from his father's
: > : fiance. Why oh why did they put that scene
: > : in. Completely out of character for Nog and
: >: Jake if Jake knew about it.
: >
: >if you remember the first episode of ST:DS9, nog was the one that stole
: >the stuff for quark for the med bay,(i think) so not out character!
: >
: What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
: have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
Because this is THE teddy bear, I guess you missed that episode. It's
what got him into being a doctor. He's had it since he was a little boy
and has repaired it over and over again. The fact that his ex-girlfriend
took it would piss me off too.
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> In article <5nvda2$3ig$1...@newsd-101.bryant.webtv.net> Lae...@webtv.net writes:
> >In the pilot episode of TNG Beverly Crusher
> >was buying cloth.
Wow. This is like ancient history. TEN years ago....brings back alot of
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>In article <33a9729b...@news.earthlink.net>, ser...@earthlink.net
>(serfsup) wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:44:52 -0400, Chris <da...@one.net> wrote:
>> What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
>> have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
>
>The thing probably has sentimental value to him, it's probably his teddy
>bear from when he was a child or something.
Of course, this does not explain why Jake/Nog didn't replicate a
replacement to leave in the bed with Leeta. She will eventually have
to go to sickbay, if only when she gets pregnant (you know it has to
happen)
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John C. Baker
In article <33bc98f0.568225881@news>, hen...@uakron.edu (Spooon) wrote:
> csr...@REMOVE.THISearthlink.net (Charles J. Srstka) wrote:
>
> >In article <33a9729b...@news.earthlink.net>, ser...@earthlink.net
> >(serfsup) wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 15 Jun 1997 22:44:52 -0400, Chris <da...@one.net> wrote:
>
> >> What the heck did Julian want with a teddy bear, anyway??? Why couldn't he
> >> have just replicated one? Dumb, Dumb, Dumb.
I guess this fellow above never had any stuffed animals that he cared about.
> >
> >The thing probably has sentimental value to him, it's probably his teddy
> >bear from when he was a child or something.
>
> Of course, this does not explain why Jake/Nog didn't replicate a
> replacement to leave in the bed with Leeta. She will eventually have
> to go to sickbay, if only when she gets pregnant (you know it has to
> happen)
>
Julian was angry about Leta having HIS bear in the first place. The doctor
probably thought she should go get (or replicate) her own, instead of
having (or think she has) someone else's.