Kira's pregnancy
Eric Newman
Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
"Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
Eric Newman
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Carolyn Fulton
Think about the content of the two shows. SEINFELD features a lot of
talk -- not a terrible amount of action.
Can you think of ONE plotline where Kira has had more than a token role
where she could have played it from behind her console?
I say give it a chance. Sure, the potential for lameness is there.
But there are also ways that it COULD be done that would be right in
character -- that might even take the character back to the way Kira
used to be! (Think of it -- can you imagine the levels of ballistic
Kira Nerys could achieve once her hormones start to kick in?? OUCH!!!)
I suspect that eager Bashir fans are overestimating any change this
might bring about in Kira and Bashir's relationship, although it could
help them to become better friends. And that has been a major theme
throughout all of DS9 -- a group of extremely different (and
differing!) individuals learning to respect and even care for each
other. It's been especially noticable with Bashir, whom everyone
LOATHED in the beginning! :)
So let's see how it goes before we pass judgment. Does anyone know
when the fall shooting schedule begins, by the way? Since Nana's due
in September, it shouldn't be that long-standing an issue!
C.
Bethany Jo Weber
: I agree that the surrogate-mother-for-Keiko's-kid storyline is lame.
: Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
: season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
: "Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
: Eric Newman
: ed...@intac.co
I think Kira has too central a role on the show to do that...
Having Kira sustain a serious injury in a battle with the Klingons or the
Dominion, requiring her to spend a few months in the infirmary
recouperating, would be both more logical and more worthy of Kira, IMHO.
Bethany Weber
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Michael Kwan
'bet...@rice.edu (Bethany Jo Weber)' wrote:
>Eric Newman (ed...@intac.com) wrote:
>: I agree that the surrogate-mother-for-Keiko's-kid storyline is lame.
>: Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
>: season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
>: "Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
>
>: Eric Newman
>: ed...@intac.co
>I think Kira has too central a role on the show to do that...
>
>Having Kira sustain a serious injury in a battle with the Klingons or the
>Dominion, requiring her to spend a few months in the infirmary
>recouperating, would be both more logical and more worthy of Kira, IMHO.
>
>Bethany Weber
I was at the Grand Slam ST Convention this weekend in Pasadena. Nana
Visitor was part of a panel on Saturday with Terry Farrell, Armin
Shimmerman, and Rene Auberjonois. She said that she was pleased with this
turn of events. She's long wondered how Kira Nerys would take to being
pregnant and to having a child, and that this gave her a chance to explore
this facet of her character. I think it will be interesting to see how she
handles it. The helping Keiko story might be a stretch, but I think it
would be in Kira to help Chief O'Brien in such a fix.
Oh, by the way, Ms. Visitor's new child (due September) ITS A BOY!
Yours,
/s/Michael Kwan
mk...@usa.pipeline.com
Robert Knipe
know Kira is a sensual, sexual woman - why can't the baby simply be hers ??
Why all this surrogacy nonsense involving Kieko at all ???
Worf has a son and we all know it but apart from the episodes involving Alexander he
was not seen, they could do the same with Kira's kid.
Robert Knipe
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Carolyn Fulton <ki...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>In <4l7gqs$m...@uucp.intac.com> ed...@intac.com (Eric Newman) writes:
>>
>>Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
>>season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
>>"Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
>>
>>Eric Newman
>>
>
>Think about the content of the two shows. SEINFELD features a lot of
>talk -- not a terrible amount of action.
>
>Can you think of ONE plotline where Kira has had more than a token role
>where she could have played it from behind her console?
>
>I say give it a chance. Sure, the potential for lameness is there.
>But there are also ways that it COULD be done that would be right in
>character -- that might even take the character back to the way Kira
>used to be! (Think of it -- can you imagine the levels of ballistic
>Kira Nerys could achieve once her hormones start to kick in?? OUCH!!!)
>
>I suspect that eager Bashir fans are overestimating any change this
>might bring about in Kira and Bashir's relationship, although it could
>help them to become better friends. And that has been a major theme
>throughout all of DS9 -- a group of extremely different (and
>differing!) individuals learning to respect and even care for each
>other. It's been especially noticable with Bashir, whom everyone
>LOATHED in the beginning! :)
>
>So let's see how it goes before we pass judgment. Does anyone know
>when the fall shooting schedule begins, by the way? Since Nana's due
>in September, it shouldn't be that long-standing an issue!
>
>C.
I think we are all loosing sight here that it's real life Visitor
and Alexander who are romantically (at least I hope so) envolved
and are having a child (well, Nana is). NOT Kira and Bashir.
John Soo-Hoo
>Eric Newman (ed...@intac.com) wrote:
>: I agree that the surrogate-mother-for-Keiko's-kid storyline is lame.
>: Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
>: season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
>: "Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
>
>: Eric Newman
>I think Kira has too central a role on the show to do that...
>
>Having Kira sustain a serious injury in a battle with the Klingons or the
>Dominion, requiring her to spend a few months in the infirmary
>recouperating, would be both more logical and more worthy of Kira, IMHO.
A few months? Sorry difficult to believe, unless you think Julian is a
quack, it wouldn't work. Unless she has her entire spin replaced and goes
thru physical therapy (ie. Worf) it would be hard to believe.
I think a Bajoran religious retreat would be better.
Ken Dougan
>
>I was at the Grand Slam ST Convention this weekend in Pasadena. Nana
>Visitor was part of a panel on Saturday with Terry Farrell, Armin
>Shimmerman, and Rene Auberjonois. She said that she was pleased with this
>turn of events. She's long wondered how Kira Nerys would take to being
>pregnant and to having a child, and that this gave her a chance to explore
>this facet of her character. I think it will be interesting to see how she
>handles it. The helping Keiko story might be a stretch, but I think it
>would be in Kira to help Chief O'Brien in such a fix.
It is unbelieveable that Kira would simply do this out of simple
curiosity, or to help O'Brien who's "in such a fix".
Since we haven't really seen much closeness between the O'Brien's and
Kira, there had better be some preliminary episodes where we see that
Kira is personally and profoundly affected by Keiko's pregnancy and
especially Keiko's subsequent difficulties. This is a tough one, but
they really need to have a believable moment where Kira finds that
she is unexpectedly and greatly affected by all this. Everyone
has unexpected situations that catch us off guard, where our own
reactions surprise even ourselves -- the task of the DS9 writers and
Nana Visitor is to portray this as believably as possible.
I don't have a problem with the surrogate pregnancy itself; it should
reveal interesting facets of the character. What I'm concerned with
is the REASON FOR IT. How will they handle Kira making this major
decision to carry a baby to term for the wife of a colleague.
What's her motivation?
Paul Chan
Actually, somthing that hasn`t been mentioned on this list is another story
possibly:
The child is Shakaar`s, and it almost goes full term, but she miscarries and
has to deal with it... lots of potential for character development between
Shakaar, Kira, and maybe even the good doctor. As a followup, Kira might visit
a Bajoran orphanage/Hospital/babysit Keiko`s baby/Molly to see what she
missed....
The surrogate pregnancy sounds like it probably will end up being pretty
contrived, IMHO. Besides, that statement she made in an earlier episode that
sparked off suspicions will look fairly out of place if they do go ahead with
this surrogate storyline.
Jim Bitterman
The preceding post allegedly from "Ken Dougan" was actually
from "Jim Bitterman". Please don't bother to send your
rebuttals (via e-mail) to Ken Dougan, he'll have no idea what
you're talking about anyway...
Jeff
dou...@wp57.wl.aecl.ca (Ken Dougan) wrote:
>It is unbelieveable that Kira would simply do this out of simple
>curiosity, or to help O'Brien who's "in such a fix".
>
>Since we haven't really seen much closeness between the O'Brien's and
>Kira, there had better be some preliminary episodes where we see that
>Kira is personally and profoundly affected by Keiko's pregnancy and
>especially Keiko's subsequent difficulties. This is a tough one, but
>they really need to have a believable moment where Kira finds that
>she is unexpectedly and greatly affected by all this. Everyone
>has unexpected situations that catch us off guard, where our own
>reactions surprise even ourselves -- the task of the DS9 writers and
>Nana Visitor is to portray this as believably as possible.
>
>I don't have a problem with the surrogate pregnancy itself; it should
>reveal interesting facets of the character. What I'm concerned with
>is the REASON FOR IT. How will they handle Kira making this major
>decision to carry a baby to term for the wife of a colleague.
>What's her motivation?
>
I was impressed by Kira's...tenderness, for lack of a better word...toward
O'Brien in the opening scene of "Hard Time," when he was coming out of the
treatment. Maybe Kira would be willing to help the O'Briens through a
difficult pregnancy, considering that the chief's already been through the
most traumatic experience of his life. That wouldn't seem out of character.
Now, if it was the Intendent they were planning to have carry Keiko's kid, I
wouldn't believe it for a minute...
Jeff
Dawn S Friedman
Bethany Jo Weber <bet...@rice.edu> wrote:
>Eric Newman (ed...@intac.com) wrote:
>: I agree that the surrogate-mother-for-Keiko's-kid storyline is lame.
>: Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
>: season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
>: "Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
>
>
>Having Kira sustain a serious injury in a battle with the Klingons or the
>Dominion, requiring her to spend a few months in the infirmary
>recouperating, would be both more logical and more worthy of Kira, IMHO.
out of action for a while... something they're not likely
to do, given the popularity of Kira.
I don't understand how races that can crossbreed *accidentally*
can be incompatible as surrogates. Even if humans and Bajorans
are among the few races that aren't spontaneously interfertile,
it's still a lot easier to fiddle with the placental characteristics
than to hand-breed a Spock.
I admit that an artificial womb has to be a possibility, but
perhaps Keiko and Kira agree that being carried by a living woman
has a positive emotional effect on the fetus.
I can't see Kira being stupid enough to get pregnant accidentally,
and I can't see her imagining that this is a good time for her
to have a child. I'll happily accept the problems that exist with
the scenario they're using rather than either of these alternatives.
Dawn
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I don't see any problems with motivation. Granted, carrying another womans child
for her is no small favor, but considering Kira's reaction to Gul Dukat's daughter,
I could see her becoming interested in having a child but not being ready for the
commitments necessary. With her own hard childhood, it would be reasonable that
she might not want to have a child of her own until she was able to provide a
totally secure family situation for it. I can she her being drawn to helping out
O'Brian and Keiko as much for her needs as for theirs.
People who get so upset about DS9 being a "soap-opera" need to understand that
science fiction is not just about science and technology. Its about how people
react in unusual circumstances which may occur in the future. Stories without
human interaction and realistic emotion are poor science fiction, just as much as
stories with blatently bad science are.
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Vpfng
Hi all,
Jeff wrote:
>I was impressed by Kira's...tenderness, for lack of a better
word...toward
>O'Brien in the opening scene of "Hard Time," when he was coming out of
the
>treatment. Maybe Kira would be willing to help the O'Briens through a
>difficult pregnancy, considering that the chief's already been through
the
>most traumatic experience of his life. That wouldn't seem out of
character.
This may in fact be a possibility. The "tenderness" that was portrayed
could be leading up to a softer, more sensitive side to the O'Briens'
situation. Or perhaps it serves to bridge up (at least partially) the
colleague-only gap between Kira and O'Brien-- you know make them better
friends so that when she actually has to surrogate Keiko's baby, there
son't be as much hesitation.
My $0.02
Viv
WTPAGLACFAN
On Fri, 19 Apr 1996, Eric Newman wrote:
> I agree that the surrogate-mother-for-Keiko's-kid storyline is lame.
> Why can't they just have Kira stand behind her console for the whole
> season, the way Julia Louis-Dreyfus stood behind the sofa on
> "Seinfeld" while she was pregnant?
>
> Eric Newman
> ed...@intac.com
I second that! It worked for Sela Ward on Sisters... she would hold
pillows over her stomach nonchalantly, sit at counters. Mind you, that's
the 20th century, not the 24th. Kira's character has always been more
action oriented, so it might be difficult to hide pregnancy.
Personally, I don't think that the Keiko
storyline will actually happen (at least I HOPE not). They shouldn't have
too much trouble with the end of Nana Visitor's pregnancy during the summer.
Hmmm... maybe Kira could be infected with some sort of parasite for a few
months... <g> On second thought, the console idea is probably better.
Jen
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