James R. Kirk Question
Lisa Davis
someone on a planets surface and during the fight or the show they show
Kirk his grave and headstone and it said "James R. Kirk". Did Kirk have
another middle initial in the early shows? Am i goin nuts? I know it
said R.
Lisa
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SKNavis
>another middle initial in the early shows? Am i goin nuts? I know it
>said R.
This needs to be on a FAQ list, along with "Why does Khan remember Chekov when
Chekove wasn't in Space Seed?" and "Why was Riker so pissed off at O' Brien in
the DS9 episode Defiant?" :-)
Yeah, it read "James R. Kirk." The episode you saw was "Where No Man Has Gone
Before," which was one of the pilot episodes for the show. Everything about it
was different from what came later: the uniforms were different, the interior
of the Enterprise looked different, Spock looked different, it was a different
doctor than McCoy, etc. It was just one of those things that changed between
the filming of the episode and the time production started on the actual series
after NBC bought the show.
For those of you into reading Trek novels, check out Peter David's TNG novel, Q
Squared. He does a clever job of explaining what the whole "James R. Kirk"
thing was all about. You have to think about it, but it makes sense.
Peace,
Shaun
William R. Mangan, Jr.
pilot for the series.
Bill
Steven Robertson
I made the possible error of listening to Q-Squared on tape instead of
reading it... seemed like a good idea at the time...
What is the explanation given by P.David?
-s
dausang
and I do mean NO WAY that Kahn knew Chekov, because that episode was in the
first year, and Chekov did not appear until the second!
As for the reason why Riker was mad at O'Brian, it was simple. Riker was
impersonating William Riker, and he believed that he would be found out if
he spent too much time with O'Brian. In fact O'Brian, even questioned him,
if he was the real Will Riker.
James Kirk Had a middle name, and it did not start with an R. In fact it
started with the letter T. His middle name I do believe was Tiberias. Kirk's
full name was Captain James Tiberias Kirk AKA Captain James T. Kirk.
My only question, is what happened to Captain Kirk's nephew. You know, the
one his ship rescued from the planet where his James Kirk's brother Steve
Kirk died, and his wife received her mortal wounds.
Dr Jinx What
dr_jin...@hotmail.com
Ed Goldberg
"dausang" <dau...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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My only question, is what happened to Captain Kirk's nephew. You know, the
> one his ship rescued from the planet where his James Kirk's brother Steve
> Kirk died, and his wife received her mortal wounds.
>
> Dr Jinx What
> dr_jin...@hotmail.com
First of all, the name of Captain Kirk's brother was Sam not Steve. His
son's name was Peter. Check out TOS episode: Operation: Annihilate!
Peter Kirk appears in a novel where he grew up with his Grandmother and
later joined Star Fleet. I don't remember the title of the novel. But he
gets kidnapped by the Klingons so they can get revenge on Captain Kirk.
Because of what happened to Commander or Captain (not sure which) Kruge on
the Genesis Planet. (Star Trek III The Search For Spock.)
--
Edward Goldberg
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Steven Robertson
Steven Robertson
mistake :)
If I might put forward an idea on the Kahn/Chekov thing... if I remember
the Kahn episode correctly, Kirk gives Kahn access to the ship's
computer, so he can bring himself up to date. With his genetically
enhanced super-brain, he goes through it pretty fast (though I'm sure
Bashir would have gone faster, because he rocs so much...)
Anyway, is there any reason to think that he didn't see Chekov listed in
the computer, or wandering around the ship? When Chekov starts, he is
... ensign? or some low-ranking officer... perhaps he was on the ship,
but not the bridge (and certainly not our tv's), for the first year.
Well, that's it from me...
-s
SKNavis
>and I do mean NO WAY that Kahn knew Chekov, because that episode was in the
>first year, and Chekov did not appear until the second!
I brought all this up as joke y'know... Every few months someone pops up
asking these silly questions...
So, Chekov was simply serving in a different part of the ship during that
period, or maybe he was on the bridge during the "night shift." Easily
explained away.
>As for the reason why Riker was mad at O'Brian, it was simple. Riker was
>impersonating William Riker, and he believed that he would be found out if
>he spent too much time with
Oh, I know. It was obvious to me, but people still ask about this and even
want to argue other explanations such as "Well, Tom Riker was pissed at O'Brien
because he was a transporter chief and the transporter accident the split him
in two caused him to resent transporter operators" and other such rubbish.
>In fact O'Brian, even questioned him,
>if he was the real Will Riker.
I don't recall that scene.
>James Kirk Had a middle name, and it did not start with an R. In fact it
>started with the letter T. His middle name I do believe was Tiberias. Kirk's
>full name was Captain James Tiberias Kirk AKA Captain James T. Kirk.
Yes, but watch "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and see the tombstone for
yourself. It was a pilot and NBC hadn;t even bought the show yet. Somewhere
along the line they changed his middle initial. The full name of "Tiberius"
wasn't even established until the movie ST VI! Peter David explains it awa in
the novel "Q Squared" by setting that episode in an altnerate universe from the
other 79 episodes of TOS. I like that, and it explains away why everything in
that episode looked so different, why Sulu was a "physicist," etc.
>My only question, is what happened to Captain Kirk's nephew. You know, the
>one his ship rescued from the planet where his James Kirk's brother Steve
>Kirk died, and his wife received her mortal wounds.
Dunno...
Peace,
Shaun
SKNavis
Yup! I'd just corrected him on so many things that I let it go.
>Peter Kirk appears in a novel where he grew up with his Grandmother and
>later joined Star Fleet. I don't remember the title of the novel. But he
>gets kidnapped by the Klingons so they can get revenge on Captain Kirk.
>Because of what happened to Commander or Captain (not sure which) Kruge on
>the Genesis Planet. (Star Trek III The Search For Spock.)
>
That's right! What novel was that? I want say "Sarek," but I'm not sure
that's right. He ends up falling in love with a Klingon woman. Good story, I
just can't remember the book.
Peace,
Shaun
SKNavis
>reading it... seemed like a good idea at the time...
>What is the explanation given by P.David?
He sets the whole Gary Mitchell thing in an alternate universe from the
universe we saw in the other 78 episodes of TOS. If you recall that book at
all tings arejumping back and forth between different "tracks" (universes) and
the chapter devoted to disembodied Q being the energy field that give Mitchell
his powers (and makes constant reference to James "R." Kirk) is in that
alternate "track."
Peace,
Shaun
David B.
Sarek is the title.
SKNavis
Ah, I was right... Thanks!
Peace,
Shaun
SKNavis
>all tings arejumping back and forth between different "tracks" (universes)
Cripes, I knew I was rushing when I typed this, but I didn't realize I'd
mangled the laguage so badly!
As I was trying to say, the story (Q Squared) jumps back and forth between
different, parallel, universes. The Gary Mitchell/James "R." Kirk stuff is in
one of those parallel universes.
Peace,
Shaun
Hocho123
middle name starting with an R, and then they changed it.
Ash & Jaff
shortly after being encountered by the Enterprise, how is it that he is
familiar with and able to quote old Klingon proverbs about revenge being
served cold?
"Steven Robertson" <great...@pacific.net.au> wrote in message
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David B.
>
> Okay...so if Kahn was from the 1990s, and then was marooned on a planet
> shortly after being encountered by the Enterprise, how is it that he is
> familiar with and able to quote old Klingon proverbs about revenge being
> served cold?
He read most of the Enterprise database when he was onboard.
dausang
he learned how to read Kling on from there.
Dr. Jinx What
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