Re: Dr Noonien Soong......Khan Noonien Singh The mystery resloved.
Elvis Gump
at n...@spam.invalid wrote on 07/05/2004 11:55 AM:
> In article <c70je0l1g7sv4669u...@4ax.com>,
> <Scotty@we're.gonna.miss.yee> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 11:23:29 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
>> <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <hgvie056g651iqdkm...@4ax.com>,
>>> <Scotty@we're.gonna.miss.yee> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was Dr Soong one of Khan's Supermen?
>>>>
>>>> Find out in season 4 when Brent Spiner reprises his role as the 'young' Dr
>>>> Soong in an exciting new direction for Enterprise.
>>> Dr. Soong wouldn't have even been born when Khan was alive.
>> What part of 'Genetic Superman' do you fail to understand?
> Doesn't necessarily mean "immortal". Khan certainly aged quite a bit
> in only 15 years (between TOS and ST II)...Besides, look at Soong in
> his last (chronological) appearance, 'Brothers' on TNG. That look like
> any kind of genetic superman to you?
Given all the inane things glossed over in the Trek universe this seems like
a minor quibble. As long as the story is compelling you can overlook or
explain away a detail like that.
> As for Soong/Khan, well, if there's any *evidence* he had anything to
> do with Khan, I'd love to hear it.
Well, the similar name thing has always been explained, perhaps
apocryphally, as GR wanting some old friend similarly named he'd lost
contact with to contact him. It sounds reasonable enough to be true but who
knows?
It would have been interesting to draw a connection between such characters
though. While Soong needn't have been a compatriot of Khan, he could be a
descendent in some way, then you'd have a vehicle to revisit the entire
subject of the world that spawned an abomination like Khan.
Perhaps Soong started life as a frozen embryo from the stash of one of
Khan's genetic engineering labs. If there were such eugenics experiments
going on when Khan was defeated and forced to go scurrying away on his space
ship would such embryos or maybe even children they were producing be
liberated?
Cleaning up Khan's mess would have been an interesting Trek story, even if
it were merely a story told and not shown on screen. Then Soong having say
an extraordinarily long life span or some such as well as a connection to a
great evil moment in history he spent that lifetime trying to defy would
have had a nice counterpoint.
As characters and situations go in Trek it's often the seeming loose ends
never gotten back to that are the most compelling storytelling opportunities
that seem the most wasted.
Think of the almost non-existent feeling of families back on Earth or
someplace that TOS characters had. It was interesting when the close-knit
family of friends on the ship in someway interacted with the past and people
they left behind, such as when Kirk's family history came up or Spock's
family came around in someway (i.e. Journey to Babel or Amok Time). Other
characters hardly ever even got mention of their families at all.
When that was corrected in TNG they were sometimes the most interesting
episodes. "Family" was one of my favorites because Worf's parents reminded
me immensely of my own.
Soong was an amazingly interesting character and it was maddening to watch
him just get killed off all in one episode, but then it's easier to write
enigmas isn't it?
--
"History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree
on."
-- Napoleon Bonaparte, "Maxims"
Kweeg
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> On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:28:53 -0500, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
> <n...@spam.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In article <g33je0luc56io7eho...@4ax.com>,
> ><Scotty@we're.gonna.miss.yee> wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any evidence he didn't? Soong was a complete reclusive mystery
in
> >> Data's time.
> >
> >A little bit, maybe. The basic details of his life were well known,
> >though.
>
> He was so far ahead of other scientists of his time.
> In reality this simply does not happen.
> Scientists build on the work of other scientists.
> They simply do not have the time (lifespan) to do otherwise.
> Soong's genius was too anomalous.
> That fact alone should be a clue that he was no ordinary human.
>
> Genetic enhancement allowing great age would go a long way to explaining
the
> Soong anomaly.
No it wouldn't it would be anther stupid tie in.
Give it up starDORK
--
Qa' PLONK!
Kweeg
Gerald Meazell
>Was Dr Soong one of Khan's Supermen?
>
>Find out in season 4 when Brent Spiner reprises his role as the 'young' Dr Soong
>in an exciting new direction for Enterprise.
>
>
Not likely since Spiner is tired of doing Trek and since the Botany Bay
took off about a hundred years before Enterprise and didn't wake up
until Kirk's time.
--
Gerald
David B.
>
> Was Dr Soong one of Khan's Supermen?
>
> Find out in season 4 when Brent Spiner reprises his role as the 'young' Dr Soong
> in an exciting new direction for Enterprise.
I don't believe it.
Marcovaldo
> No telling what someone like Einstein could accomplish with a mind that
could
> stay sharp for centuries.
Actually, although Einstein lived to be 76, he completed his contributions
to science (photoelectric effect, special relativity, general relativity)
before he turned 40.
DevilsPGD
"Marcovaldo" <Marco...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> No telling what someone like Einstein could accomplish with a mind that
>> could stay sharp for centuries.
>
>Actually, although Einstein lived to be 76, he completed his contributions
>to science (photoelectric effect, special relativity, general relativity)
>before he turned 40.
True... But who knows what he could have done if he'd stayed sharp for
another 30-40 years.
--
And sometimes I park, in handicapped spaces,
While handicapped people, make handicapped faces!
-- Denis Leary
Marcovaldo
> On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 04:00:30 GMT, "Marcovaldo"
<Marco...@worldnet.att.net>
> Einstein had nothing but his own work to build on.
Actually, no. Einstein generated his theory on relativity and the
photoelectric effect based on measurements that had been taken by other
scientists. For example, other scientists had done measurements on the speed
of light and found it to be a constant. Also, results of measurements of
light emissions taken by a French scientist (can't remember his name) could
not be explained by the wave theory of light. The so-called photoelectric
effect could, however, be explained by a particulate theory, which is the
contribution that Einstein made.
No matter how brilliant and original some scientific discoveries may seem,
they are always based on previous work done by others.
Malcolm Jerome
>
The whole KHAN SAGA was probably the greatest episode-movie connection which
was ever done. The KHAN SAGA is over. Everyone has always thought it was
handled very well. Why would any of the ST people want to ruin it with some
story connecting characters together who are seperated by 40 years of
writing & TV History?
Though if Ricardo Montalban could be in Spy Kids 3 in a cgi space suit (Iron
Man?) then it would be interesting if they brought him in. But Montalban is
too old, especially since in the TOS he was a young man. So how could he be
very old 150 years before TOS?
Al Smith
> point, Khan is frozen along with all of the Botany Bay crew. No one
> will revive him until the NCC-1701 does. So a Khan story is pretty
> much out of the question.
Enterprise could thaw Khan out, then at the end of the episode,
re-freeze him. Why should we think Khan told Kirk everything that
happened to him? Maybe half a dozen alien ships thawed him out and
froze him again, when they found out what a horse's ass he was.
David B.
That would make one of the shitiest fanfics ever.
Anthony J. Bertorelli
<Scotty@we're.gonna.miss.yee> wrote in message
>
> Was Dr Soong one of Khan's Supermen?
>
> Soong
> in an exciting new direction for Enterprise.
Brent Spiner is going to be on Enterprise, but not as "young" Dr. Soong. He
is actually playing Arik Soong, an ancestor of Dr. Noonien Soong.