B5-Trek contest
RONALD S MCNABB
Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
Here we go:
Best CO:
Nominees:
Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
Best second in command:
Nominees:
Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
Best security guy/gal:
Nominees:
Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
next DS9 that could change.
Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
Nominees:
Kosh, Q
My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
Q: That does it. (snap)
K: Moo.
I think Q wins.
Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
Nominees:
Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
Best evil aliens:
Nominees:
Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
The Shadows
My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
sinister.
Well that's about it. Any comments? Suggestions? Nothing
anatomically impossible please.
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"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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PMccutc103
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> Here we go:
I too am a fan of both shows, though I believe that TOS and B5 are
superior to all of the ST spinoffs. But I see no reason for bad blood
between B5 and ST fans. After all, we all want good SF on TV (as opposed
to crap like Earth 2, SAAB and the newest entry, Star Command (but you
gotta love the skirts!)).
>
>
>Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
In order, they are: Kirk, Janeway, Sinclair (all superb) Sheridan, Sisko
(adequate). Picard comes in dead last, and the spread between Picard and
Sisko is greater than the spread between Kirk and Sisko. Seriously,
Jean-Luc is about the most snivelling character ever to appear on
television. I just wish that he hadn't survived the encounter with the
Borg.
>
>Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Spock and Ivanova tie for first. Major Kira is pretty good. Riker and
Chacotay both suck.
>
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
Worf. I like Garibaldi, but being shot in the back by your second in
command is hardly a great recommendation.
>
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
>
Kosh. Q is an invention used to cover up bad writing.
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
Wait just one second: what about the busty betazoid? I hate the Troi
character, so I won't vote for her, but she is a very lovely woman. I
gotta go with Dax. However, Torres (not the actress, the character) would
be a close second -- imagine that fiery half-klingon in the sack.
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
>
The Shadows are pretty cool, but you gotta go with the Borg -- being
"assimillated" is pretty creepy.
As to the humor category, nobody beats the interplay between McCoy and
Spock on TOS. (That's one of the problems with ST:TNG and Picard. The
show takes itself so damn seriously. Voyager is getting better on that.)
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"We're Starfleet Officers. Weird is part of the job."
Captain Katherine Janeway.
Leon von Stauber
>
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
I notice you avoided the done-to-death Best/Worst Ship Design categories.
Good choice.
> Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
> My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
> grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
I'll go with Picard as well.
> Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
> My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
Spock. Can't get much cooler than that.
> Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
> My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
> Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
> next DS9 that could change.
Odo, Garibaldi, or Tuvok. I like Tuvok b/c he's makes a good Vulcan, but
Odo and Garibaldi are the ultimate near-omniscient security guys.
> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
>
> I think Q wins.
Yeah, but Kosh is annoying in a much more interesting way.
> Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
Kes, Rand, Delenn
>
> My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
Mmm, this one's a toughie. I'd go with Tasha, Kira, or Dax, depending on my
mood. Or maybe Yeoman Rand.
And for the women, another
Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
Nominees:
Sheridan, Sinclair, Garibaldi, Morden, G'Kar(?), Picard, Riker, Geordi,
Sisko, Worf(?), Bashir, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, Kirk
> Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows, The Kazon
>
> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> sinister.
I really can't say on this one. They're all neat (exc. the Kazon, which I added).
I'd say the Borg are probably the scariest, although I think that might be
b/c I don't know enough about the Shadows yet.
Best doctor:
Nominees:
Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
My vote: Pulaski started developing a fascinating personality (*much*
better than Crusher (*Crush her!*); Bashir is very personable; but
Voyager's doc is the most fun.
Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
Nominees:
G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
I'll have to go with G'Kar here, although Quark can be fairly entertaining
sometimes.
Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
Nominees:
Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
My vote: Scotty, the Miracle Worker
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University of Texas Computation Center <leo...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
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"We have not come to save you, but you will not die in vain!"
Jesse Mendelsohn
Best captain: Picard
Best Second in Command : Ivanova
Best Security: Worf
Best Really Advanced Alien: KOSH ALL THE WAY! (Q has no mystery about
him)
Hottest Babe: KES ALL THE WAY! THE HELL? Why wasn't she OR Troi on the
list?
Best evil aliens: TIE between the shadows and the borg.
Laura Gillenwater
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>
>
>Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
I'll go with Picard, too. Good diplomat, encyclopedic knowledge, firm
convictions, and all around nice guy.
>
>Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
This is a tough one....I was tempted to go for Ivanova, but Spock has
many useful "talents" (computational ability, mind-melding, etc.)
>
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
Once again, Odo has certain advantages (being a shape-shifter and all)
>
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
>
> My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
> K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
> Q: That does it. (snap)
> K: Moo.
> I think Q wins.
I couldn't say it better than you did! :)
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
I'll join you in voting for Dax for hottest babe. But if you expanded
that to all around best female, I'd have to go off the nominee list to
Dr. Crusher.
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
>
> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> sinister.
>
I'm not sure we really know *what* the Shadows want.... I think their
ships are certainly much scarier looking than the Borg's cube...
And now I'll add a category of my own:
Funniest regular character:
Nominees:
Dr. no-name-yet (VOY), Lando, Data, the comedy team of "Bashir
& O'Brien"
My vote: Lando (Holodoc a *very* close second...)
Laura
Mark Andrew Siefert
: There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
: Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
: thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
: from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
: Here we go:
:
:
: Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
: Nominees:
: Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
: My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
What? No Delenn? What she supposed to be? Chopped liver?
:
: Best evil aliens:
: Nominees:
: Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
: The Shadows
:
: My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
: impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
: kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
: sinister.
Ahhhh....we are not yet sure of the Shadows' intentions just yet.
If they are doing what I think they're doing, then "assimilation" would be the
least of makind's worries.
:
: "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
: little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
:
: -Benjamin Franklin
I won't argue with you there dude.
Later
Mark A. Siefert
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James Linehan
<twor...@pop3.nfi.com> writes:
>mcna...@itlabs.umn.edu (RONALD S MCNABB) wrote:
>> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>>Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>>thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>> Here we go:
>>
>>
>> Nominees:
>> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
>I'll go with Picard, too. Good diplomat, encyclopedic knowledge, firm
>convictions, and all around nice guy.
cool stuff like that.
>>
>>Best second in command:
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
>This is a tough one....I was tempted to go for Ivanova, but Spock has
>many useful "talents" (computational ability, mind-melding, etc.)
>
>>
>>Best security guy/gal:
>> Nominees:
>> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>>
>
>Once again, Odo has certain advantages (being a shape-shifter and all)
>>
>>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
>> Nominees:
>> Kosh, Q
>>
>> My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
>> K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
>> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
>> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
>> Q: That does it. (snap)
>> K: Moo.
>> I think Q wins.
>
>
>I couldn't say it better than you did! :)
>>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
>
>that to all around best female, I'd have to go off the nominee list to
>Dr. Crusher.
>
>
>>Best evil aliens:
>> Nominees:
>> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
>> The Shadows
>>
>> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
>> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
>> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
>> sinister.
>>
>
>ships are certainly much scarier looking than the Borg's cube...
that they have a culture. The Borg are just "you will be assimilated."
>And now I'll add a category of my own:
>
>Funniest regular character:
> Nominees:
> Dr. no-name-yet (VOY), Lando, Data, the comedy team >of
"Bashir & O'Brien"
>
> My vote: Lando (Holodoc a *very* close second...)
Tie between Data and the HoloDoc.
And as long as we are add Categories:
Best character all around.
Nominees:
Everybody on Trek and B5
Hmmmm. Don't know yet. Will decide later.
Mark Sulkowski
> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
This is a very tough choice. They are all such good choices
(except for Captain Crisco). I'd have to give Sheridan the award
for most improved. He was shaky at first, but lately he has really
convinced me that he IS Sheridan. Sinclair comes in second for his
enigmatic status as "The ONE" (i.e. Ranger One). Kirk comes in
third because he has slept with half the galaxy (oh, and he was a
good tactician :). Picard comes in fourth because he's French, but
he has an English accent! Janeway should cut down on the helium
and stop sleeping with mutant reptiles (e.g. mutated Paris).
(Don't take my criticisms too seriously. I'm just poking fun.)
> Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
It's a tie between Ivanova and Spock.
> Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi, I would say. He has a "real" feeling about him.
Worf is a close second. Worf does not feel "real", but he has a
great voice and delivers the best comedic lines.
> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
Kosh: Never ask that question!
Me: No really Kosh, are you the best or is it Q?
Kosh: Yes.
> Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> Kes, Rand, Delenn
Tie between Ivanova and Talia. I'd sleep with either of them.
In fact, given what we saw in "Divided Loyalties", I might be able to
swing sleeping with both of them at the same time. ;)
Of course, that one B5 alien woman with the vertical mouth
gives me a special feeling...
Of nausia, of course. :)
>
> Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows, The Kazon
"What do you want?" Morden is tops with me. The Borg are a
very close second.
The rest are just the Mongol hordes sweeping through Europe.
> Best doctor:
> Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
None of them. Well, maybe Franklin because of his addition
to stims. That makes him more real seeming than the rest.
What a minute! Where is Dr. McCoy in that list?!? He was
a great Doctor character! He has better one-liners than Franklin.
I never liked Crusher or Pulaski. Both of them had the
opportunity to put Wesley in a photon torpedo tube and launch it.
Neither did.
Bashir was a very white man trapped in a PC show.
Voyager's doctor is shaping up, but I am not sure about him yet.
> Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
Scotty. Definitely Scotty. He had the best metaphors.
Mark S.
Mark Sulkowski
interview of Ambassador Kosh of the Vorlon Empire.
ISN: Ambassador Kosh, are you the best omnipotent alien?
Kosh: Never ask that question!
ISN: Please, Kosh. Who is the better omnipotent alien? You or Q?
Kosh: Yes.
ISN: I'm not sure I understand.
Kosh: You seek meaning. Understanding is a double-edged sword.
ISN: Wha...
<Kosh's helmet pulls up and out jumps Q!>
Kosh-Q: Hello, mes amis!!! I am Kosh-Q!
ISN: Bless you.
Q: Can't do that. Who were you expecting? Gabrielle?
ISN: Who are you?
Q: I am Q. What fun I have had tormenting you pathetic creatures!
It is my purpose in life! Well, besides being comic relief.
It's good to be the omnipotent one!
<Trelain, the Squire of Gothos pops in, in his period clothing>
Trelain: You're not the omnipotent one! I am.
ISN: Now I am really getting confused. Just WHO are you?
Trelain: The Squire of Gothos, my lady. <Kisses the ISN Reporter on
the hand and transforms her clothing to that of a princess.>
ISN: That's sexual harrassment buddy! <Rips her hand from his lips.>
Q: What is going on here? I'M OMNIPOTENT! There can't be two
omnipotent forces in the universe!
Trelain: Listen to me Q, I MADE YOU. You are nothing but a cheap
imitation of me. And your performance in "Encounter at Farpoint"
left much to be desired.
Q: Yeah, well at least *I* appeared in more than one episode!
ISN: Gentlemen! Please. There's no need to bicker. Perhaps you
could settle your differences peacefully...
Trelain: A contest! Of course. We could settle this like gentlemen.
I know! A duel. A royal duel. You can name the terms.
Q: I've always wanted an answer to the most fundamental riddle of the
SF universe -- who would win in a space battle: Kirk or Picard?
Trelain: Let's find out.
<Trelain and Q clasp each other around their backs and trot aimicably
away.>
ISN: Uh, this is Melissa Torqueman signing off for ISN News.
:)
Mark S.
Mark Sulkowski
In our previous interview with Kosh, it turned out that Kosh is
in reality a superbeing called "Q". And yet another superbeing
appeared to claim the title of "omnipotent one". They have
decided to pull two starship captains and their ships from an
alternate universe to see which would win in a space battle
against the other. Wait, we are getting something on the feed...
Kirk: Only--one--of--us--can--survive. It's--going--to--be--me.
Picard: Wait! Couldn't we discuss it over a cup of ear-
Kirk: Fire all photon torpedoes!
<Picard's ship blows up really good. Unfortunately for Picard, shields
don't work in the B5 universe.>
Trelain: Back to the Nexus you go Kirk. You're never any fun -- I was
so hoping you would fail!
Q: At least I got some satisfaction out of it. Seems I was right about
humans after all.
Trelain: Now that that's over I am bored again. Bored, bored, bored.
Q: I think I'll pop into Janeway's bed again. I can't stand her voice,
but have you seen the ass on that woman?
Trelain: Don't use that kind of language around me. I'm just a kid!
<Q and Trelain pop back into their home universe.>
ISN: I get paid for this? <tap, tap> Is the mike on? Oh. This is
Melissa Torqueman signing off.
Mark S.
Simon Shpilfoygel
>Here is MY vote.
>Best captain: Picard
Hmmm, how'bout the best telepath:
Lwaxana Troi, Deanna Troi, Talia and Mr. Chekov^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Bester?
>Best Really Advanced Alien: KOSH ALL THE WAY! (Q has no mystery about
>him)
Zog!!!
The Masked Old Ones rule!
>Hottest Babe: KES ALL THE WAY! THE HELL? Why wasn't she OR Troi on the
>list?
>Best evil aliens: TIE between the shadows and the borg.
Killer Tomatoes would kick a shadow or Borg ass. As a second thought - can the
Borg assimilate a Shadow?
Have fun,
Simon
Queen of the Damned
Generally speaking, I suspect this thread is a Really Bad Idea.
On a relatively benign tangent...
: Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
: Nominees:
: Kosh, Q
: My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
: K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
: Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
: K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
: Q: That does it. (snap)
: K: Moo.
: I think Q wins.
My opinion of Q has been steadily rising with every rerun
I see with him/them in it. The Big Finale was excellent
(and fairly profound in its central point: exploring new
levels of consciousness is just a wee tad more interesting
than mapping out Yet Another Star System), and the Voyager
episode (Death Wish?) had moments of simple brilliance
("Vulcans...!" <dual head slap> - divine!).
It occurs to me that Q is just the enema the Vorlon need.
I suspect any conversation between the two would be very
similar to conversations between Q and Picard:
Q: You puny little Vorlon think you're pretty damn hot,
don't you?
V: In fire.
Q: Oh, yes, yes, the end of the Universe. Been there,
done that. And the beginning. And the middle.
What do you think of the gravitational constant?
V: Pebbles cannot vote.
Q: Planets are tedious, limiting things, aren't they?
V: I have always been here.
Q: Have you, now? Personally, I've always been everywhere.
--
Queen of the Damned---x@mtcc.com---http://www.mtcc.com/~x/
Splat X Splat
*X*
John Aegard
> Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Worf always seems to be a toy of the plot -- he's exactly as incompetent
as the story requires. (he was unable to prevent a half-dozen Ferengi from
taking over the Enterprise; Starfleet shoulda court-martialed him then sent him
to be Paris' roommate at the "reeducation resort."
I think that the defining characteristic of a
security guy should be professionalism. Here Garibaldi and Odo tie.
Garibaldi would ordinarily get the win by a hair, but I'm still cheesed off
about his stupid little joke in "Divided Loyalties."
Tuvok is irrelevant -- he had to let Neelix handle Mr. Traitor in the
Voyager's recent "Investigations."
Johnzo.
Stephen
> >Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> >thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> >from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> >
> >Best CO:
> > Nominees:
> > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
Kirk (The Conan of outer space), Wins. Sinclair is second, followed by
Sheridan. Picard and the rest are dumber-than-dirt PC thugs who have no
concept of tactics or leadership.
>
> >
> >Best second in command:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
This is a hard one, but I think that Spock is the ultimate winner.
Ivanova is good in a clinch, as long as she doesn't kill someone when
your back is turned. There are not enough insults in the english
language for Riker, and the others are worse than him.
> >
> >Best security guy/gal:
> > Nominees:
> > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
> >
Garibaldi wins this, with Odo a close second. Worf couldn't guard a
pile of dirt.
> >
> >Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > Nominees:
> > Kosh, Q
> >
Q is the best plot device I have ever seen, but is an annoying
character. Kosh is much less powerfull but much more complex, somy vote
goes to Kosh.
> >Best evil aliens:
> > Nominees:
> > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > The Shadows
> >
The Shadows are the best enemy, by many miles. The Borg are a truly
silly race that crashed when ONE of it's "units" was alone for a while.
The Borg also have an odd weakness for funny shapes. The shadow are a
race that is millions of years old, much older than the borg, and can
only be defeated with the aid of other advanced and strange races. The
closest thing in ST would be if they were to ask the organians for help
against the borg.
Jim Nash
Best second in command:
Starfleet #1's are only there so you can endanger someone's life. You KNOW the
Captain won't get killed. Ivanova
Best security guy/gal: Yay Worf! Even though he's not security chief any more, he
could beat up Odo.
> K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
> Q: That does it. (snap)
> K: Moo.
> I think Q wins.HAHAHA!! That's the funniest thing I've read yet in this newsgroup.
And of course I agree.
Hottest babe: B'Ellana Torres is my dream girl, perfect in every way.
P.S. I wouldn't have voted for her, but why didn't Troi get a nomination?
Best badguys: Borg, but even they aren't very good. Maybe if some Borg got
conciousness and planned devious schemes instead of shooting everything.
gn842
Well, imagine for a moment that you had infinite consciousness. It
might be very difficult to priortize "importance" of knowledge of
gravity vs. happiness of people at a show (w/widespread cultural
impact). Q in any case wasn't arguing that the contributions were
*equal*: for that matter, saving Riker's great-great-great-great
grandfather doesn't really match up to Newton, either.
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>
>In article <DoJHy...@mtcc.com>, x...@mtcc.com (Queen of the Damned) wrote:
>> It occurs to me that Q is just the enema the Vorlon need.
>> I suspect any conversation between the two would be very
>> similar to conversations between Q and Picard:
>
>
> Do you realize you just voted for an alien that thinks Woodstock is on
>the same level of importance to the human race as the theory of gravity?
>
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VOID
> > Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> > thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> > from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> > Nominees:
> > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
GREEN DRAZI LEADER IVANOVA
> > Best second in command:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
CMD Ivanova
> > Best security guy/gal:
> > Nominees:
> > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi: balding like DRAZI
> > Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > Nominees:
> > Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
"No....DROSHALLA."
> > Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> Kes, Rand, Delenn
GREEN DRAZI swim suit edition Mrs. GREEN-3456cycle-combat-season-32rotation
> > Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
GREEN DRAZI no ask no tell, most likely to get answer from st00pid PURPLE
DRAZI.
> > Best evil aliens:
> > Nominees:
> > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > The Shadows, The Kazon
PURPLE DRAZI very bad. GREEN DRAZI good!
PURPLE DRAZI st0000000pid for DRAZI.
> Best doctor:
> Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
GREEN DRAZI not need doctor once PURPLE DRAZI are led into bay then
airlock open in bay.
> Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
GREEN DRAZI like ingestors of GREEN Alderian Brandy. Scotty drink lots.
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> >> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
I would have to go with Picard myself, he has mastered the roll of CO.
> >>Best second in command:
> >> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
I would have to agree, Spock is the one.
> >>Best security guy/gal:
> >> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
I think Worf is the one.
> >>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> >> Kosh, Q
There is no question about it, has to be Q.
> >>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> >> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
I would have to say Kira, Dr.Crusher, runnerup.
> >>Best evil aliens:
> >> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> >> The Shadows
I would have to say that the Romulans are the most sinsiter. They have
their ways of doing things that makes them look just a bit evil and dont
back down easily.
> >Funniest regular character:
> > Dr. no-name-yet (VOY), Lando, Data, the comedy team >of
> "Bashir & O'Brien"
I would have to say it is a tie between Lando and Data.
> Best character all around.
> Everybody on Trek and B5
I would have to say that Picard would be the best character. He has his
great moments and one-liners as well the character has an intresting
background and histor as well as commanding ablities on the Enterprise.
Kirk would be my second choice.
Mike
Mark Brodsky
Franklin, McCoy, Crusher, Bashir, Dr. No-name?
Well, if Im stranded millions of miles from home with some strange alien
virus running through my system I'd want Bones McCoy by my side! Franklin
is good, but far too depressing at times.
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The Emerald Dragon
Leon von Stauber <leo...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
> RONALD S MCNABB wrote:
> >
> > There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> > Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> > thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> > from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>
> I notice you avoided the done-to-death Best/Worst Ship Design categories.
> Good choice.
>
> > Best CO:
> > Nominees:
> > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
> >
> > My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
> > grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
>
> I'll go with Picard as well.
Picard is _definitely_ the best CO out there. He's a completely human,
deep, rich character, able to command the utmost respect with but a phrase.
Sisko and Sheridan are a close second. Janeway's up there too, though the
writers never seem to clue in on the fact that women COs can be (and often
need to be) _strong_ and don't have to come off as complete bitches as a
result. They often weaken her character unnecessarily; there's really no
need to do so. (Then again, I stopped watching Voyager a while back because
I got tired of the lame writing.) Kirk and Sinclair may have had a shot at
being interesting characters, but were saddled with the sorriest excuses for
actors in all of television...
> > Best second in command:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chakotay
> >
> > My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
>
> Spock. Can't get much cooler than that.
Kira. Yum. Ivanova's great, but CC's acting still isn't always at 100% all
the time. She's _much_ improved over the course of the series, though. Kira
is a fantastic character, portrayed well and consistently. Passionate, driven,
and driven by a fierce loyalty to her world and her friends. Spock's pretty
ballsy too; Chakotay's kind of too fluffy, and Riker? Bleah.
> > Best security guy/gal:
> > Nominees:
> > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
> >
> > My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
> > Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
> > next DS9 that could change.
>
> Odo, Garibaldi, or Tuvok. I like Tuvok b/c he's makes a good Vulcan, but
> Odo and Garibaldi are the ultimate near-omniscient security guys.
Possibly the toughest call, because they're all such great characters; I'll
have to go with Worf, though. DS9 has _really_ impressed me over the last
couple of seasons, and Worf was The Kling even before he came to DS9... Odo is
_great,_ especially interacting with Quark; Garibaldi has really grown on me,
though he sometimes goes out into left field. Tasha was cool (and certainly
the most attractive of the bunch), but first season TNG was almost as bad as
first season B5 and Voyager, and she never got a chance to shine. Tuvok is
pretty cool as a character, but sometimes doesn't act Vulcan enough...
> > Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > Nominees:
> > Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
> >
> > I think Q wins.
>
> Yeah, but Kosh is annoying in a much more interesting way.
I don't know about that... Q was pretty amazing at his best, and NEVER got
poisoned by humanoid assassins. ;)
> > Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> Kes, Rand, Delenn
> >
> > My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
"How far down do they go?"
"All the way."
*drool*
> Mmm, this one's a toughie. I'd go with Tasha, Kira, or Dax, depending on my
> mood. Or maybe Yeoman Rand.
ARRRGH!!! This is even harder than the security category!!! Ummmm... Errr...
Oh, hell, Janeway. I've got a thing for strong, sensitive women. Although I
freely admit to thinking Dax and Talia are amazing. And what about Beverly?
She was _amazingly_ sexy. I also thought that the Nightwatch Liason chyck was
completely lustworthy, despite her character's complete attitude problem...
I'd love to have a go at changing it. ;)P
> And for the women, another
> Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
> Nominees:
> Sheridan, Sinclair, Garibaldi, Morden, G'Kar(?), Picard, Riker, Geordi,
> Sisko, Worf(?), Bashir, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, Kirk
Actually, I have a lot of female friends who swear that John DeLancie made them
drool as Q. Go figure! Personally, I think Picard's quite the man.
> > Best evil aliens:
> > Nominees:
> > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > The Shadows, The Kazon
> >
> > My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
> > impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> > kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> > sinister.
>
> I really can't say on this one. They're all neat (exc. the Kazon, which I added).
> I'd say the Borg are probably the scariest, although I think that might be
> b/c I don't know enough about the Shadows yet.
What about Psi-Corps? Personally, one of my favorite characters on B5 is
Bester-- He's SUCH a smarmy asshole!!! I love him!!! He was _fantastic_
in that last Psi-Corps episode... The Dominion runs a close second, though.
The Jem Hadar doing stuff like Kamikaze-ing the Odyssey, walking through a
Level 3 security field like it was thin air (was it just me and everyone I
know who saw that eposde, or was that an instance of several hundred thousand
ST watchers saying "SSHHHIIIIIIT!" in perfect unison all over the country?),
and massacring the combined Cardassian and Romulan strike forces puts them
right up there on the badass scale.
>
> Best doctor:
> Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
>
> My vote: Pulaski started developing a fascinating personality (*much*
> better than Crusher (*Crush her!*); Bashir is very personable; but
> Voyager's doc is the most fun.
Holo-doc all the way. He's definitely my favorite character on Voyager,
and the one consistently good thing about that show.
>
> Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
> Nominees:
> G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
>
> I'll have to go with G'Kar here, although Quark can be fairly entertaining
> sometimes.
Ditto, though reversed, and only for second and third place-- Quark has
been one of my faves for a long time, and even made that rather silly
"Little Green Men" episode really enjoyable by acting like a true Ferengi
opportunist all the way through. But don't you DARE forget my man
Garak!!! He's definitely got my vote for first place, far and away. He's
devious, shifty, enigmatic, charming, and brilliantly portrayed by Andrew
Robinson.
> Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
>
> My vote: Scotty, the Miracle Worker
All pretty cool; I like O'Brien a little better, just 'cause he got
the one Cardassian I could classify as stunningly attractive (not just
physically, but that didn't hurt) ;) practically falling over herself
for him!
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Best regular alien: Quark
> Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'BrienWhat about B'Ellana?
PMccutc103
Robert A. Decker
> It occurs to me that Q is just the enema the Vorlon need.
> I suspect any conversation between the two would be very
> similar to conversations between Q and Picard:
Do you realize you just voted for an alien that thinks Woodstock is on
the same level of importance to the human race as the theory of gravity?
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Queen of the Damned
: Q is the best plot device I have ever seen, but is an annoying
: character. Kosh is much less powerfull but much more complex, somy vote
: goes to Kosh.
Q is a brilliant plot device. Only an omnipotent being could
have provided the means for Picard to "relive" his youth, and
to recognize that qualities of said he finds unattractive in
his maturity are nevertheless important. And the demonstration
of what it would be like to communicate with past and future
selves was fabulous.
Kosh is a manipulative alien dude with arbitrary abilities
convenient to plot gimmicks, too - but his plot gimmicks
have not quite had the same je ne sais quois as reliving
one's youth, or communicating with echoes of yourself in
the time stream. But Kosh's relative impotence does suggest
the Vorlon get more slack than Q as far as "bullshit magic
endings" go.
If Picard had deliberated about the morality of letting a
genocidal war criminal go because she had developed an
immortality serum, and Star Fleet ordered him to send her to
Earth, and Q popped up out of no where and solved the problem
by turning her into a turnip, I suspect the number of people
who recognized the episode as pure caca would be higher
than that number which appears to recognize "Deathwalker"
as pure caca.
At least when Q saved the Big E from the Borg, it was
only after Picard had been forced to admit that he was wrong...
mczero@mczero@mail.erols.com
who the overall winners are. . .
Best CO: Janeway - how could you vote for anyone else after seeing Deadlock?
Best Second: Ivanova - I agree, the "Ivanova is god" rampage was too funny!
Best Security: Worf
Best Really Advanced Alien Guy: Q - Kosh has no personality
Non-PC Category - hottest hunk: Paris
Best Evil Aliens - tie: Dominion & Videans (although I think I go w/the
Videans - they make my skin crawl)
Best Doctor - tie: Crusher & holoraphic doc (she feels, he's funny)
Best Regular Alien - tie again: Quark & Delenn (again, he cracks me up, she's
incredible)
Best Engineer: O'Brien is great but I'll have to go w/Scotty
Ron Peterson
: Lwaxana Troi, Deanna Troi, Talia and Mr. Chekov^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Bester?
You forgot Lyta. I hope you mean the old Talia, not the on that's been
disec... er debriefed.
The Emerald Dragon
si...@cs.ucla.edu (Simon Shpilfoygel) writes:
> Hmmm, how'bout the best telepath:
>
> Lwaxana Troi, Deanna Troi, Talia and Mr. Chekov^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Bester?
Bester, bester, he's our man, he can lose the use of his powers and
remain a manipulative, devious, powerful BASTARD!!! I love him!!!
I do have to say, you should have remembered to put Lyta on the list--
after all, she's pretty kick-butt now that she doesn't have to abide
by Corps rules and being re-engineered by the Vorlons...
WAY too much time on my hands, but it's a slow day at work, so sue me,
Kevin
Rhonda Jones
<leo...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
>
>RONALD S MCNABB wrote:
>>
>> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun,
I
>> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>
>I notice you avoided the done-to-death Best/Worst Ship Design
categories.
>Good choice.
>
>> Best CO:
>> Nominees:
>> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>>
>> My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
>> grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
>
>I'll go with Picard as well.
>
>> Nominees:
>>
>> My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
>
>Spock. Can't get much cooler than that.
>
>> Nominees:
>> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>>
>> My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll
take
>> Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
>> next DS9 that could change.
>
>Odo, Garibaldi, or Tuvok. I like Tuvok b/c he's makes a good Vulcan,
but
>Odo and Garibaldi are the ultimate near-omniscient security guys.
>
>> Nominees:
>> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
>>
>> I think Q wins.
>
>Yeah, but Kosh is annoying in a much more interesting way.
>
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway,
Torres,
> Kes, Rand, Delenn
>>
>> My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
>
on my
>mood. Or maybe Yeoman Rand.
>
>Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
> Nominees:
> Sheridan, Sinclair, Garibaldi, Morden, G'Kar(?), Picard, Riker,
Geordi,
> Sisko, Worf(?), Bashir, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, Kirk
is made for "best filled Speedos" my vote is for Picard, HANDS DOWN!
No one else in any series has given us SO MUCH to watch! (Also check
out the leg shadow in "Generations!"
>> Best evil aliens:
>> Nominees:
>> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
>> The Shadows, The Kazon
>>
>> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
>> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
>> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
>> sinister.
>
>I really can't say on this one. They're all neat (exc. the Kazon,
which I added).
>I'd say the Borg are probably the scariest, although I think that
might be
>b/c I don't know enough about the Shadows yet.
>
>
>Best doctor:
> Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
>
>My vote: Pulaski started developing a fascinating personality (*much*
>better than Crusher (*Crush her!*); Bashir is very personable; but
>Voyager's doc is the most fun.
>
>
>Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
> Nominees:
> G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
>
>I'll have to go with G'Kar here, although Quark can be fairly
entertaining
>sometimes.
>
>Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
>
>My vote: Scotty, the Miracle Worker
>
>______________________________________________________________________
Queen of the Damned
: In article <DoJHy...@mtcc.com>, x...@mtcc.com (Queen of the Damned) wrote:
: > It occurs to me that Q is just the enema the Vorlon need.
: > I suspect any conversation between the two would be very
: > similar to conversations between Q and Picard:
: Do you realize you just voted for an alien that thinks Woodstock is on
: the same level of importance to the human race as the theory of gravity?
I considered that another stroke of genius: Q has a history
of taunting the "meager" accomplishments of the human race.
"Ooooohh, you figured out that *apples* *fall*! Impressive.
Most impressive!" More than that, the implication was that
even figuring out that apples fall was somehow a "gift."
Certainly, to a race of beings who have travelled from one
end of the universe to the other, beginning to end, sub-atomic
to the whole shebang, there simply *is* no difference between
Woodstock and the theory of gravity.
I grant that I may be giving too much credit to the episode,
but the metaphor for the continuum was so brilliant that I'm
inclined to believe the juxtaposition was also intentional.
Marc Scott
>
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>
> Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Definately Janeway.
> Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Kira, Chakotay is a close second.
> Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
ODO! ODO, ODO, ODO, ODO, ODO!!!! Tasha Yar was pretty cool too.
> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
Q is god. Almost.
> Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
Again, easily Janeway. But I can't believe you forgot about Kes.
> Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
This is tough. I like the Cardassians, especially Dukat, but the Dominion is really
cool too. I dunno. I guess the Dominion, now that the Cardassian government has
fallen.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ron McNabb
> mcna...@itlabs.umn.edu
> http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~mcna0070/
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -Benjamin Franklin
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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James Linehan
Contest.
Best Regular Alien: Garak
Best Engineer: Geordi
Best Bartender: Quark
David Mattes Orr
Also among the very best actors on TV ever.
Best Second: Ivanova
Ivanova is God.
Best security entity: Worf
Garibaldi is more real, but Warf is quite entertaining.
Best advanced alien: Kosh
Why? Yes. (Q is a little immature for my tastes)
Hottest babe: Ivanova
I'm not actually stunned by any of the SF women. Of the lot,
Ivanova wins (she looks much better with her hair down).
Best evil aliens: The Shadows
Quite sinister...
I'd be interested in seeing a compilation of the results.
Thanks,
Dave
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Daniel Kalcsa
>
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> Here we go:
>
> Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
> grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
>
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
>
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
> Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
> next DS9 that could change.
>
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
>
> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
> Q: That does it. (snap)
> K: Moo.
> I think Q wins.
>
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
>
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
>
> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> sinister.
>
> anatomically impossible please.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ron McNabb
> mcna...@itlabs.umn.edu
> http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~mcna0070/
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -Benjamin Franklin
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Picard
Spock
Garibaldi
Q
Torres (Deanna Troi if we can nominate our own)
The Borg
TRACY HEMENOVER
RSM> Nominees:
RSM> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
RSM> My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
RSM> Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
RSM> next DS9 that could change.
I can't comment on Garibaldi, since I've never really gotten into B5.
But Worf?! No way.
Of the others, Tasha Yar wasn't on long enough to really be judged,
and Tuvok seems to rarely have anything to do that's related to
security. My vote definitely goes to Odo. Why? Let's compare.
On-the-job skills:
Odo--Even if he didn't have the advantage of his shapeshifting
ability, he would still be an excellent detective, due to his skills
at observation, patience, thoroughness, and intuition. What can one
say when even his archenemy, Quark, pays Odo the compliment of
holding a manhunt pool?
Worf--I direct your attention to the scene in "Bar Association", in
which Worf claimed that such security breaches as are common on DS9
never happened on the Enterprise, and Odo shut him up with a recital
of events from a couple of TNG episodes (and was fully prepared to
recite more). I also direct your attention to Worf's botching up
Odo's investigation in "Hippocratic Oath". (Yes, I remember
"Crossfire" too, but that was an exception.) On the Enterprise,
whatever investigations came up were usually better handled by science
and engineering personnel than by security.
Difficulty of job:
Worf--On the Enterprise, everyone had basically the same ideals and
the same purpose. Criminals were rare. Worf's job mainly consisted
of reacting to emergencies from outside.
Odo--On DS9, it's more like a city. Most of the population is neither
Starfleet nor Bajoran militia. Therefore, most of them have their own
ideals and purposes. Criminals are common. As a result, Odo has to
be a real policeman, which is a tough enough job today (imagine if
present-day crooks had access to transporters, phasers, alien powers,
etc.). *And* he *also* has emergencies from outside to contend with
as well.
Combat record:
Odo--He has always acquitted himself well in fights. Never once that
I recall has he ever had to resort to shapeshifting. Add to that the
fact that he never carries a weapon. The reason? He doesn't need
one.
Worf--He excels when it's only a mock fight in a holoprogram. But
it's a rare occasion that Worf has ever won an actual, serious combat.
He got his butt kicked by a *Ferengi* once ("The Last Outpost", TNG),
for crying out loud.
Overall: Odo and Worf are in similar situations. Both are aliens
raised away from their respective peoples. Both are now self-exiled
from their peoples, for ethical reasons. However, I personally find
Odo a much more interesting and sympathetic character than Worf ever
even dreamed of being.
-Tracy-
... "Laws change... but justice is justice." - Odo
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Tele 1
I hate to say it but Worf is imho one of the most solid characters to
survive TNG, no pun intended. Still, Odo beats him out through sheer
irrascibility. O, and he DID resort to shapeshifting in a fight -- once.
It was in "The Emisary," and someone threw something at him. He just
stood there and let it pass on through.
Jennifer Matthews
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
You realize that this survey/contest may not ease the bad blood? Oh,
well, I like both show so,
> Here we go:
>Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
> My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
> grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
Absolutely.
>
>Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
> My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
Again, I completely agree. No other second in command has been as
*consistent* in loyalty, while at the same time being a strong
character in their own right. Spock comes in a pretty close second,
though -- particularly when considering the movies.
>
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
> My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. <snip>
I agree with the vote for Garibaldi, but Odo is the very near second
here. Worf got tossed around far too often, and I *never* saw him do
any detecting, or acting proactively.
>
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
<stuff snipped>
> I think Q wins.
I'm going to go with Kosh, only because I have always held firm in my
belief that Q is nothing more than a plot device.
>
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
> My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
Voting on sheer beauty (as opposed to, well, other stuff), I think I'd
vote for Ivoanova.
You didn't add a "hottest hunk" category, so rather than list the
possiblities, I'll just nominate my personal fave:
Garibaldi as hottest SciFi hunk. He's also best cook :)
>
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
>
> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> sinister.
You forgot those horrible "Voyager" aliens that go around stealing body
parts from everyone. Since they're not here, and I can't remember their
name (and probably couldn't spell it) I'll go with the Shadows for sheer
mayhem potential, if nothing else.
It was fun!
-Jennifer Matthews
tomlinson
: Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
: Nominees:
: Kosh, Q
..
: I think Q wins.
:-b I can't be the only viewer who loathes the 'Q' character...he's
flashy, witty, the life of the party, and a complete waste of time.
Especially in recent years, 'Q' is used to lend flavor to an otherwise
unpalatable episode. "Hm, this week's episode looks pretty dull...get
John DeLancie's agent on the 'phone, will you?"
-et
--
Ernest S. Tomlinson - some day a real rain'll come and wash all the scum off
the streets +---------------------------------------------------------------
------------+ "We don't have the First Amendment, thank God, in Canada."
- Tim Collings, an instructor at Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, B. C.
Michael Allan Thomson
>
> > There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> > Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> > thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> > from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> > Nominees:
> > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
> (except for Captain Crisco). I'd have to give Sheridan the award
> for most improved. He was shaky at first, but lately he has really
> convinced me that he IS Sheridan. Sinclair comes in second for his
> enigmatic status as "The ONE" (i.e. Ranger One). Kirk comes in
> third because he has slept with half the galaxy (oh, and he was a
> good tactician :). Picard comes in fourth because he's French, but
> he has an English accent! Janeway should cut down on the helium
> and stop sleeping with mutant reptiles (e.g. mutated Paris).
>
> (Don't take my criticisms too seriously. I'm just poking fun.)
>
You know.. I love the Sisko character alot now.. but thru DS9's
first year.. I CALLED him CRISCO all the way thru. :)
Mike
Marc Scott
> Best doctor:
> Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
The Holodoc. Because he's funny, and if I was dying, I'd want him to be the one
trying to save me (unless of course I *wanted* to die, but that's a whole 'nother
story:-)).
> Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
> Nominees:
> G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
Neelix. I mean, Kes. I mean, Quark. Actually, I can't decide between them. But I
think it would be Kes if she wasn't so sorely underused:-(
> Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
O'Brien. He has to work with Cardassian technology. Plus, he was the best character
on TNG, and far better than anyone on TOS.
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"Life sucks."
Krondarg
unreasoning enmity of rabid & unreasoning single-show *fans* of either
postulated universes. NB: if Majel Barret could accept a role as the 3rd
wife of a Centauri emperor, can't WE be as accommodating? And poor
Harlan Ellison-just another SF fan-was maligned for "leaving" the Trek
universe for the Strascynski (sp?) one..
On to the thread's point:
Best CO: Picard. Although perceived as PC , even by myself, he still
was able to take risks, defy his commanding officers, and most of all,
he preferred adventure to sitting around Starbases for stuffy Admirals'
Dinners. Negative point: his worst moment was as Galen; role good but
far too much brashness and yelling. How did Barann (the mercenary
leader) stomach him?
Best 2nd: um, a tie: Spock and Ivanova. But this depends on what they
were doing. Spock great at providing alternatives to Capt. Studrock's
usual gung-ho "we gotta make these people SEE that fighting's a good
thing for evolution" attitude; Ivanova much more the person I'd want in
charge of battle-stations. Hope she gets that ship (for those wanting to
know after B5, what?). Negative: "Spock's Brain" Nuff said. Claudia
trying to shoot Bester down.
Best Babe/Hunk: being a het.male, I was very attracted to Torres in her
human form. Sorry, Claudia fans. From what women over the years have
told me, the guy to "want" has far and away always been Picard.
Best evil Alien: Because of their mystery, the Shadows. Borg, mind you,
are also interesting, but hardly mysterious in their purpose(s).
Best regular Alien: tie. Q (Delancie) for his
superciliousness-punished-by-wisdom; Delenn for her tragic role as
isolated from both her race and the humans. (scales tipping towards her
as I write this)
Best engineer: although B5 has no engineers (?), I would reccommend the
Centauri people who created the JUmp technology, this category being
somewhat difficult to assess.
Most interesting race on any of the shows: The Vorlons. Period.
Cruellest race: humans in Psi-Corps.
Bill Capehart
Best CO: Captain Jellico
The temporary CO of the Enterprise
Best Exec: Tie: Spock & Ivanova
Worst is Riker, whom Jellico should have spaced.
Best Cop: Garibaldi
Best Advanced Alien: Kosh
Hottest Babe: Earthling: Ivanova Alien: Na'Toth v1.0
Hey... I like a dame who when asked what she belives in answers
"Myself." Plus she can handle a wrench. Grace Jones would have
made a great substitute for Brown.
Best Enemy Race: Lightweight : Duane's version of the Rihanssu (Romulans)
Heavyweight : Shadows
Diane Duane made the Romulans a credible society with a history,
language and mindset that made perfect sense considering their
circumstances. The pruducers of TNG REALLY botched it when they
didn't let it in the canon. The Shadows... well... I don't think
I need to add anything more.
Best Engagement: Battle of Gorash 7
(of course I haven't seen "Severed Dreams" yet)
Best Comic Relief: Quark/Garak (Root Beer) Ivanova (Boldly go...)
Best Mechanical Character: The Robot from Lost in Space.
"She took my pointer." 'nuff said.
Best Secratary: Na'Toth or Bubble
AbFab qualifies because Lady Penelope did a cameo and I wanted an
excuse to add her. "What's your job?" "Dunt knoo... Git Payyed?"
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Queen of the Damned
for the fact that the human characters are relatively bland.
Those who had moments of non-blandness have become more
bland, for some reason, this season. Ivanova and Garibaldi,
in particular, have suffered Delennification, without benefit
of being in a position to conveniently know everything required
for a particular moment of plot development.
Because Londo and G'Kar are sufficiently unusual roles, and
as such have no real counterparts in Trek, Babylon 5's far
and away best characters are left out. If Garibaldi's 1st
and 2cnd season development had continued, I think he would
beat out OdoWorf - but I'm having trouble remembering anything
he's even done 3rd season. I liked it when he knocked over
things in the NightWatch session, but then he'd go off on some
wishy-washy "didn't I get you laid for the first time in your
adult life?" routine which undercut his anger. And this new
Marcus twit - who I generally can't stand - has crowded the
Garibaldi-as-get-things-done-dude role. Deprived of her
unusual "relationship" with Talia, Ivanova has been left
without much to do. As an officer, she's redundant with
Sheridan. Now, if Sheridan were atomized and Ivanova took
over command... now THAT would be quite a development...
Curtis Kendall
com...@umich.edu says...
>
>In article <DoJHy...@mtcc.com>, x...@mtcc.com (Queen of the Damned) wrote:
>> It occurs to me that Q is just the enema the Vorlon need.
>> I suspect any conversation between the two would be very
>> similar to conversations between Q and Picard:
>
>
> Do you realize you just voted for an alien that thinks Woodstock is on
>the same level of importance to the human race as the theory of gravity?
He made no such judgement. The people he brought were merely representatives
of the effect the Q (no not that one, the other one) had had on the world.
>
Arthur Levesque
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
Marc Scott <kny...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca> voted:
MS>O'Brien. He has to work with Cardassian technology.
Scotty had work with Romulan technology (getting a stolen cloaking
device to work before the Romulans they stole it from blew them away)
Klingon technology (STIV:TVH) and even 20th-century Macintoshes.
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Alexander Brown
{ignore drazi, computer did't cut line} Sheridan
: > > Best second in command:
: > > Nominees:
: > > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Ivanova
: > > Best security guy/gal:
: > > Nominees:
: > > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi
: > > Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
: > > Nominees:
: > > Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
Kosh :
:> > Non-PC category... Hottest babe: : > > Nominees:
: > > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
: > Kes, Rand, Delenn
Delenn
: GREEN DRAZI no ask no tell, most likely to get answer from st00pid PURPLE
: DRAZI.
: > > Best evil aliens:
: > > Nominees:
: > > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
: > > The Shadows, The Kazon
: PURPLE DRAZI very bad. GREEN DRAZI good!
{mor computer probs} The Shadows
: > Best doctor:
: > Nominees:
: > Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
Franklin
Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( ) : > Nominees:
: > Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
: GREEN DRAZI like ingestors of GREEN Alderian Brandy. Scotty drink lots.
{more comp probs} Scotty
: ____________________________________________________________________________
: ____________________________________________________________________________
: "What do they think I am, an engineer?"
: Calvin
David Mitchell
>> Best CO:
>> Nominees:
>> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>>
>> My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
>> grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
>I'll go with Picard as well.
As an ex-sailor, I'd have to go with Sheridan first, and Sinclair
second. All the ST captains (except Kirk, who's too reckless) are too
high on protocol. To me, that means they're more concerned with the
military bureaucracy, and less concerned about their crew. Sheridan
and Sinclair seem like the kind of COs that would go-to-bat for their
people.
>> Best second in command:
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>>
>> My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
>Spock. Can't get much cooler than that.
Tough one! Definitely a tie between Ivanova and Spock. The breaker
goes to Ivanova -- an XO has to be "in touch" with the crew.
Riker - Kirk jr.
Kira - Still pissed.
Chacotay - Who???
>> Best security guy/gal:
>> Nominees:
>> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>>
>> My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
>> Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
>> next DS9 that could change.
>Odo, Garibaldi, or Tuvok. I like Tuvok b/c he's makes a good Vulcan, but
>Odo and Garibaldi are the ultimate near-omniscient security guys.
I take Tuvok first (logic, and impartiality), Girabaldi second (hey,
everyone loves a CWO), and Odo third (fun at parties too).
>> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
>> Nominees:
>> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
>>
>> I think Q wins.
>Yeah, but Kosh is annoying in a much more interesting way.
Q is the man (or the omnicient)!
>> Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> Kes, Rand, Delenn
>>
>> My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
>Mmm, this one's a toughie. I'd go with Tasha, Kira, or Dax, depending on my
>mood. Or maybe Yeoman Rand.
Well, since you put it that way, I'd have to go with Troi - based
solely on that episode where that ambassador "projected" all his bad
emotions on her. SEEEXXXY!!! As for overall womanliness, I'd have to
go with Ivanova. Strong, independant, intelligent and general, overall
ROCK-iness!
>And for the women, another
>Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
> Nominees:
> Sheridan, Sinclair, Garibaldi, Morden, G'Kar(?), Picard, Riker, Geordi,
> Sisko, Worf(?), Bashir, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, Kirk
As a confirmed heterosexual, secure in my manhood, I feel comfortable
commenting on the...er...um...attractiveness of
the...er...um...members of the male...er...um...persuasion. What were
the choices again?
>> Best evil aliens:
>> Nominees:
>> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
>> The Shadows, The Kazon
>>
>> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
>> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
>> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
>> sinister.
>I really can't say on this one. They're all neat (exc. the Kazon, which I added).
>I'd say the Borg are probably the scariest, although I think that might be
>b/c I don't know enough about the Shadows yet.
*Spoiler - MfE*
The Borg was my first choice. Until MfE. That Shadow Crab creeping
across the Martian landscape still gives me nightmares!
>Best doctor:
> Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
>My vote: Pulaski started developing a fascinating personality (*much*
>better than Crusher (*Crush her!*); Bashir is very personable; but
>Voyager's doc is the most fun.
Damnit Leon! You forgot The Best SF Doctor Ever! McCOY! ;)
>Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
> Nominees:
> G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
>I'll have to go with G'Kar here, although Quark can be fairly entertaining
>sometimes.
G'Kar - strictly because of Katsulus.
>Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
>My vote: Scotty, the Miracle Worker
Scotty!
dmi...@calweb.com <David Mitchell>
"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a
man's character, give him power." Abraham Lincoln
"Knowledge is *not* Power: Power is but *one* attribute
of Knowledge." D. Mitchell
Arthur Levesque
>fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>Best CO Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Kirk first. He's the original and still the best. He could
out-think, out-fight, out-talk, or out-seduce any enemy. Sheridan
is second, because out of the current crop, I think he's the best.
Sisko is third, Picard is fourth (I still say he's an incredible
weenie), and Janeway last. I didn't see enough of Sinclair to
rate him.
>Best second in command Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
That's a really tough one, so I'll cheat. If I were picking the
optimum crew, I'd put Ivanova as second in command and Spock as chief
science officer (so that I get both!) Kira is a very distant third,
and the others are not even worthy of the slightest consideration.
>Best security guy/gal officer:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Odo would be my choice; mainly because his shape-shifting should
make him a formidable science officer (even though he doesn't do it
very often, to keep the special effects budget down). Tuvok just
barely beats out Garabaldi for second, the ultra-predicable and
self-caricaturing Worf comes in fourth. Yar's dead (if she were
alive and had developed more [all TNG characters were horrid when they
started] she may have beat Worf, but never would have made the top
three).
>Best Really Advanced Alien Nominees:
> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
H.P. Lovecraft said that "aliens should be _alien_." Kosh truly
is alien. We never really know what he means, what he's doing, and
what he wants. And he's damned cool. I really like Q, he's the ONLY
reason I watched an episode of Voyager this year, but he's not even
close.
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> Kes, Rand, Delenn
Right now? Ivanova. Easily. But, since I'm picking my optimum
crew, and Ivanova's already on it, I'll give this berth to Dax.
My other choices: Uhura (from TOS, young and in short skirts),
Kira, Delenn, and Torres. Janeway? Don't make me wretch.
>Best evil aliens Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows, The Kazon
The Shadows are scariest because we most fear the unknown; and
Morden is the perfect front man for them. Handsome, charming, and
completely evil to the core. The Borg are next, even though the
writers screwed them up in later episodes and any episode with the
Borg invites massive technobabble. I'm really looking forward to
seeing how the Borg are handled in ST8. I think the Dominion need
more development before I really see them as scary. Romulans,
Cardassians, and Klingons are too often interchangeable, and none
of them are truly evil or alien. The Kazon are pathetic; I think
the Vidiians are the best alien menace I've seen on Voyager so far
(although they haven't always been handled well by the writers;
but that's par for Voyager).
>Best doctor Nominees:
> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
Dr. McCoy is the best. I don't know why he's not on the list.
He healed a silicon-based lifeform with concrete! Voyager's hologram
would be there for backup (since McCoy went on most landing missions,
the holodoc would be in use while he was away). Just think of how
those two would interact! Dr. Chapel (yes, she became a doctor in
ST:TMP, and we can't have a crew without Majel in it!!) and Dr.
Franklin would fill out the medical staff (Franklin's a good doctor;
but with his stim addiction he shouldn't be in charge of the medical
department). I have nothing against Dr. Crusher other than soft
light and heavy technobabble. Dr. Bashir needs to hit puberty and
take some valium; he makes Doogie Howser look mature and dignified!
Dr. Pulaski didn't really come off as any more than a temporary
replacement for Crusher.
>Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( ) Nominees:
> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
Definitely Scotty the miracle worker. I'd put O'Brien in
Engineering beneath him, and maybe Geordi also. Torres would
just cause too much troubles (even though as a Maquis she is not
obligated to follow the same laws of physics as the rest of us!)
Who else belongs in the best of all possible crews? Sulu and
Chekhov (even though Chekhov was the Ringo Starr of Star Fleet! He
gets bonus points for being the secret identity of Bester, Psi
Corps) from TOS, Data from TNG, Quark (put him in charge of Ten
Forward!) from DS9, nobody else from Voyager (Paris might be
considered), and several of the aliens from B5: Ya gotta have Londo
and G'Kar around! And I can't wait to see Vir, during an attack,
rushing to the ship's supply room and asking, "can I have ten
thousand marbles, please?"
Eric Goebelbecker
> >Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> >thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> >from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> >
> >
> >Best CO:
> > Nominees:
> > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
> convictions, and all around nice guy.
I would have to agree on this one. (But can I write in Janeway for worst?)
>
> >
> >Best second in command:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
> many useful "talents" (computational ability, mind-melding, etc.)
Spock had it too easy. Other than being killed, what real challenges did he
face? :) I was torn between Ivanova and Riker. Both have shown good
leadership characteristics.
>
> >
> >Best security guy/gal:
> > Nominees:
> > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
> >
>
Garibaldi! Character-wise I think he is much more interesting than Odo. I
think they revealed where he came from too easily and with too little
foreshadowing.
>
> >
> >Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > Nominees:
> >
> > My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
> > K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
> > Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
> > K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
> > Q: That does it. (snap)
> > K: Moo.
>
> I couldn't say it better than you did! :)
Judging from the way Kosh has everyone on B5 guessing, I thought he was Q,
slipping over to an alternate timeline and having some fun.
>
> >Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
> that to all around best female, I'd have to go off the nominee list to
> Dr. Crusher.
I'll second Dr. Crusher. (Plot idea: Janeway and Tasha are stranded in the
Zeta quadrant in a shuttlecraft. There is great rejoicing.)
>
> >Best evil aliens:
> > Nominees:
> > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > The Shadows
> >
> > impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> > kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> > sinister.
> >
>
> ships are certainly much scarier looking than the Borg's cube...
Shadows. Mysterious, manipulative. Cool ships. Ask you what you want and
then actually give it to you.
>
> And now I'll add a category of my own:
>
> Funniest regular character:
> Nominees:
> Dr. no-name-yet (VOY), Lando, Data, the comedy team of "Bashir
> & O'Brien"
>
> My vote: Lando (Holodoc a *very* close second...)
>
Quark.
> Laura
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Overlord of Darkness
: Best CO:
: Nominees:
: Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
I would have to vote for Sheridan here. He is a great strategist who
isn't afraid to take chances. He is also quite perceptive and creative
when it comes to solving big problems quickly. Basically, he kicks butt!
: Best second in command:
: Nominees:
: Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Spock's high intelligence and nifty skills make him the best 2nd.
: Best security guy/gal:
: Nominees:
: Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi, in a heartbeat. Garibaldi's wit makes up for any and all
shortcomings he may have. Worfs uses include: Getting beaten up by big,
tough aliens, and to add extra complication to plots involving Klingons.
: Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
: Nominees:
: Kosh, Q
Kosh is cool..and mysterious. We all have Q pretty much figured out.
Sure, Q can do weird stuff, but he doesn't leave much to the imagination.
Kosh, on the other hand, keeps everyone guessing.
: Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
: Nominees:
: Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
I'd have to vote for Lyta. A)She's hot B)She knows exactly what you're
thinking...hmmmmmm.......
: Best evil aliens:
: Nominees:
: Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
: The Shadows
The Shadows, definitely. Sure, the Borg are powerful and scary...and they
fly around in oversized Rubik's cubes. The Shadows are dark evil and sinister beings
from a time long forgotten. They have a definite H.P. Lovecraftian
"Ancient dark race" appeal to them.
Jim Batka
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Hmm tough, I only saw Sinclair in one so I'm not a valid judge there...
Picard for diplomacy, Sheridan for battle.
>Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
I think I'd have to go with Spock hands down (though Ivanova is no slouch)
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi hands down, though I do have a soft spot for Worf (don't tell him or
my wife that please ;)
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
I think you need to break this down into 2 catagories: Best Advanced alien
personality and Best Wierd Advanced Alien
Q for the first
Kosh for the second
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
Hmm, I'd say a tie between Kira & Lyta. Don't know why maybe her fiery
personality but I just think Lyta is hot).
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
I think I have to side with you on the Borg. I just don't know enough about
the Shadows to think of them as truely EVIL. Dangerous, yes; sinister, yes;
scary, yes; but it's hard to tell if they are EVIL!
In response to my better half I need to add the following (non-PC) catagory:
Hottest Dude:
Nominees:
Kirk, Picard, Sheridan, Sinclair, Riker, Sisko, Garibaldi
My wife picked Garibaldi with Picard running a close second and the rest of the
pack was Wwaayyy behind.
--
Jim Batka Email: jim....@sdrc.com
It's good to keep an open mind,
As long as it's not so open your brains fall out.
-Unknown Usenet Poster
Jim Batka
Best regularly appearing alien character:
Nominees:
Worf, G'kar, Londo, Spock, Odo, Quark, (What's his face the Chef from Voy.),
My vote: G'kar hands down (especially for Andreas' acting ability)
Robert Holland
>
> It occurs to me that Babylon 5 suffers in these comparisons
> for the fact that the human characters are relatively bland.
> Those who had moments of non-blandness have become more
> bland, for some reason, this season. Ivanova and Garibaldi,
> in particular, have suffered Delennification, without benefit
> of being in a position to conveniently know everything required
> for a particular moment of plot development.
I watched Jag last night and saw Andrea Thompson acting as if
she were a human being once more. Glad to know she is an
accomplished actress after all, and her expression of libido
wasn't damaged from her tenure on B5. (The show was full of
the goofy stuff Donald Bellasario is known for, but Thompson
held her own.)
The Doge in St. Louis says JMS deliberately crafted the
humans to be restrained. That may be, but what is the reason
that people in 2260 are like this? It's hard to square the
dull finish on these characters with the age they live in,
full of the excitement of exploration. They come from a society
that built 5 Babylon stations, yet to a T they act as if
they spent a life in 12-step recovery programs. I'd like to
know what drove people to become like this. Is it just a
gimmick to make the year 2260 seem different than today?
>
> Because Londo and G'Kar are sufficiently unusual roles, and
> as such have no real counterparts in Trek, Babylon 5's far
> and away best characters are left out. If Garibaldi's 1st
> and 2cnd season development had continued, I think he would
> beat out OdoWorf - but I'm having trouble remembering anything
> he's even done 3rd season. I liked it when he knocked over
> things in the NightWatch session, but then he'd go off on some
> wishy-washy "didn't I get you laid for the first time in your
> adult life?" routine which undercut his anger. And this new
> Marcus twit - who I generally can't stand - has crowded the
> Garibaldi-as-get-things-done-dude role.
Garibaldi's method of getting things done was believable, to
boot. You knew he had lived a life elsewhere and made contacts
with many other people. You knew he snooped in files he had access
to, and eavesdropped on conversations from his control center.
Imagine if Sheridan had let Garabaldi do some covert work
on Morden and his shadow brethren--they have the means to snoop,
after all.
Marcus pops up with magical ties to
mysterious powerful forces, answers a plot point, and pops
off again. The sooner they off him, the better. Trouble is,
I think JMS figures he has developed Garabaldi about as far
as he can, and prefers to toy with robin hood. Too bad, 'cuz
a focus on Garabaldi could bring a nice grittiness to the story.
I'm hoping JMS can rediscover Garabladi before this
season ends.
> Deprived of her
> unusual "relationship" with Talia, Ivanova has been left
> without much to do. As an officer, she's redundant with
> Sheridan. Now, if Sheridan were atomized and Ivanova took
> over command... now THAT would be quite a development...
>
Even better if it were Ivanova doing the atomizing.
--RH
Jennifer Matthews
>At least when Q saved the Big E from the Borg, it was
>only after Picard had been forced to admit that he was wrong...
Given that Q introduced the Borg to the Big E, I'd say it was the
least he could do; apology or no.
-Jennifer Matthews
James L. Bourassa
>Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
I'll go with Picard. He's great command presence, he takes advice
well and seems to have good overall judgement and skills. Sometimes
he's something of an super-man, but I think this is tempered enough.
Kirk could be a bit too impulsive, IMO, Sisko's got to work on his
diplomacy, I just dislike the way Janeway is written. I'm afraid
I'm none too fond of either of the B5 commanders. I don't think they're
bad, but I'm also not enthusiastic about either.
>Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Nasty. Ivanova or Kira? I'll go with Ivanova, but it's a close call.
Would have been closer if Kira hadn't decided to start wearing those
heels around the station. Spock's right up there, but sometimes he
could be pretty wearing. I'm not crazy about Riker or Chakotay,
although both have had their moments.
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Yar didn't get enough good screen time to make a call. Worf and
Tuvok have both been less than sparkling at their jobs. Garibaldi
seems to have trouble picking or inspiring loyalty in his men, but
is otherwise good. I'll go with Odo, who really does seem to take
his job professionally ( not to imply the others don't ).
Note that I think Worf and Tuvok have had some great moments.
Some of Worf's lines and delivery have been great. But as a security
officer....?
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
I guess I could mention the Dowd and the Squire of Gothos, but
neither does much for me.
This is tough. I've got reservations about both. I really hate
cryptic, oracular types, especially manipulative ones. But I also
think Q is overdone sometimes. I'll go with Q, in the end. nd
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
We should probably change this category to " Best Antagonistic Aliens "
to avoid discussions about which is " really " evil.
The Romulans and the Klingons have been portrayed as dupes a few
too many times for me. The Cardassians to a lesser extent. The
Borg might have gotten it, but just knowing that they can be
Hugh-ified brings their score way down. I'd also like to mention
the Viidians, their dilemma may be a bit contrived, but I'm fond of
them.
The Shadows or the Dominion? Well, I like the multi-race
nature of the Dominion, but it hasn't exactly been exploited. The
Founders are pretty interesting, but I feel some potential has been
lost in thier appearances. Then again, the Shadows' motivations and
abilities and goals aren't exactly well described in the series to
date.
Ah to heck with it. I'll vote for Bester and the PsiCorps as
best antagonists. Although they're not really aliens and they
might not be "evil"
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Fred Owens
>Best Doc: Crusher. I've allways had a thing for tall women.
>
I dunno about tall but she cute an dhas a great tush ;_.
Da Chief - If the truth is out there, what am I doing back here?
Fred Owens
>You forgot Lyta. I hope you mean the old Talia, not the on that's been
>disec... er debriefed.
>
DE-briefing Talia. Now there's a picture.....
PMccutc103
>were doing. Spock great at providing alternatives to Capt. Studrock's
>usual gung-ho "we gotta make these people SEE that fighting's a good
>thing for evolution" attitude; Ivanova much more the person I'd want in
Well, let me see. Captain Studrock destroyed the computers used to wage
automated war for 500 years in "A Taste of Armageddon" and then gave his
"I will not kill, Today" speech; he resecued the First Federation ship
that was damaged towing the Enterprise in "The Corbomite Manuever"; he
showed mercy toward the Gorn in "Arena" and, probably to his regret, he
spared Kahn & friends in "Space Seed" even after they had tried to take
over the ship and kill him. Oh and don't forget making friends with Mr.
Rock in "Devil in the Dark." Sounds like a real social darwinist to me.
Sure, he killed people -- the Romulans in "Ballanc of Terror," Kahn in
ST:IITWOK. But, the people that he killed were usually trying to kill him
at the same time, and he often offered mercy once the adversary was
defeated. (Both Kahn and the Romulan Commander who bore a remarkable
resemblance to Spock's pop refused to surrender and blew themselves up.)
The difference between Kirk and Picard is that Kirk has his share of
killer in him -- his instinct is to fight, unlike Picard's, whose first
instince is to negotiate or surrender. Therefore, for Kirk to choose
peace required greater moral courage.
The real reason for all the Kirk bashing is that today's politically
correct intellectual caste cannot stand the concept of a hero.
Curtis Kendall
says...
>
>Best doctor: Dr. "Dang it Jim, I'm a doctor not a ________" McCoy. No
>Contest.
>
>Best Regular Alien: Garak
>
>Best Engineer: Geordi
>
>Best Bartender: Quark
Best holographic doctor: That guy on Voyager.
Best enemies with the name thhe name Borg: the Borg.
Best Klingon security officer servingin the Federation: Worf.
Nicest changling: Odo
Best Black, bald Captain of a Sapce Station: Sisko
Best Female Captain lost in space: Janeway
Marianne Lubianetzky
> >> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> >> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> >> Best CO:
> >> Nominees:
> >> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Picard
> >> Best second in command:
> >> Nominees:
> >> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Spock
> >> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> >> Nominees:
> >> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
Q
> >And for the women, another
> >Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
> > Nominees:
> > Sheridan, Sinclair, Garibaldi, Morden, G'Kar(?), Picard, Riker,
> Geordi,
> > Sisko, Worf(?), Bashir, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, Kirk
> > As a female fan, I'm glad this category exists!
ditto!!!
and PARIS!!!!!!!!!!!! :)
> >Best doctor:
> > Nominees:
> > Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
Holodoc
> >Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
> > Nominees:
> > G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
>Quark
> >Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> > Nominees:
> > Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
Scotty
my .02
bye4now, Marianne
Queen of the Damned
Again, I may be giving the show too much credit, but it
seemed to me that Q had no real intention of becoming a
member of the crew, but was instead interested in forcing
a confrontation between the Federation and the Borg so
that the Feds would *know* their usual approach would
doom them. The Borg were coming in the Federation's
direction (and of course, Q knew that). If the Borg
arrived, and Picard's type of thinking predominated, there
wouldn't be time to change that thinking before the
Federation was assimilated. So Picard was convinced of
the danger in time for the Federation to "just barely"
prepare. And, indeed, only Q could know what "in time"
really meant. Yadda yadda yadda.
Kosh *appears* to be doing kind-of-sort-of the same thing
with respect to the Shadows. We don't really know what
the Vorlon are doing, even now. Some people are more
patient with the fact the show is moving at the speed of
a crushed snail than I am. In Babylon 5's favor, the
Vorlon *appear* to be in some danger themselves from the
Shadows. Q, of course, was about as threatened by the
Borg as he is by the Federation. Not very. But the
unbelievable monotony of his existence, as demonstrated in
the Voyager episode (I've had good luck with Voyager
episodes: seen two, liked one, loved one) does provide
for some reason why Q behaves the way he does: the
universe is his version of interactive tv. It would be
the same as if we could choose any outcome we wanted for,
say, the Shadow War, depending on our mood at the time
(we could even choose different endings for different
moods... over and over and over...).
ka...@mindspring.com
Subject: B5-Trek contest
Date: 19 Mar 1996 21:42:32 GMT
First, thanks, Ronald, for starting this thread.
>thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> Here we go:
Best CO:
Nominees:
Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Picard as starship captain, Sisko as space station commander. I think the
situations are different enough that the category can be divided. If I had to
pick one, it would be Picard, who often strikes me as a living representation
of Plato's philosopher-king. He is always both student and leader.
Best second in command:
Nominees:
Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Ivanova. Definitely. Kira runs a close second, but Ivanova seems to work
better within the chain of command while still maintaining her personality.
Best security guy/gal:
Nominees:
Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
ODO! What other security chief can actually turn himself *into* a holding
cell? :) I also love what DS9's writers have done with his character.
Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
Nominees:
Kosh, Q
Oh, tough, tough, tough! Kosh edges out Q, though. The concept of angels
merely being a very advanced race is interesting. The idea of Q is wonderful,
but recent execution and writing of the character has made him more comic
relief of late.
Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
Nominees:
Since you neglected to do a list for female fans, I'll vote for Our Man Bashir
on this one. :)
Best evil aliens:
Nominees:
Romulans, Cardassians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
Aliens? Hmm . . . the Cardassians edge out the Borg in my opinion. Yes, yes,
I know they're now in a treaty, but the aliens in Star Trek almost always
reflect some aspect of humanity, and so it is with both cited here. The Borg
are a warning of what can happen as our society becomes more and more enamored
and dependent on technology . . . to the point that we fuse with it and become
controlled by it. The Cardies, as O'Brien would say, are a bit more complex:
they, like humans, have a heavily military society with intelligence branches,
and are imperialistic -- i.e. the mining of Bajor. They love and are highly
protective of their families and children. We have much in common with them
-- and yet, they are the enemies of the Federation.
A villain that is not alien, and yet may ultimately prove to be the most
destructive on either series: PsiCorps. Most destructive is the enemy within
the human race itself.
Best Recurring Friendly Alien:
Delenn.
Best Occasional Friendly Alien:
Garak!!!!! I would love to see Andrew Robinson become a regular. I also like
the actor who plays Gul Dukat.
-- Katharine and her two cents' worth
dark_penguin
>
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> Here we go:
>
>
>Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
>
Picard
>
>
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
>
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
>
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
>
> K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
> Q: That does it. (snap)
> K: Moo.
> I think Q wins.
ROTFL! My vote goes for Q as well.
>
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
Dax
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
>
The Borg
>
>
> Well that's about it. Any comments? Suggestions? Nothing
>anatomically impossible please.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ron McNabb
> mcna...@itlabs.umn.edu
> http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~mcna0070/
>
>
> "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
>
> -Benjamin Franklin
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Laura Gillenwater
[snip]
>
>>Best Bartender: Quark
>
>The cocktail twirling Drazi barman in B5's down below, eat your heart
>out Tom Cruise.
>
No WAY! Best Bartender: Guinan. No contest. Quark may be funny, but he
can't touch Guinan's "customer service" skills!
Jeanne Yang
>
> In article <314F39...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
> Leon von Stauber <leo...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
>
> > RONALD S MCNABB wrote:
> > >
> > > There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> > > Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> > > thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> > > from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> >
> > Good choice.
> >
> > > Best CO:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
> > >
> > > Best second in command:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chakotay
> > >
> > > My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
> >I have to agree with all those who voted Kira. She's intensely loyal and
driven.
> > > Best security guy/gal:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
> > >
> > > My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
> > > Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
> > > next DS9 that could change.
> >
> > Odo, Garibaldi, or Tuvok. I like Tuvok b/c he's makes a good Vulcan, but
> > Odo and Garibaldi are the ultimate near-omniscient security guys.Garibaldi.
> > > Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
> > >
> > > I think Q wins.This is hard, but I think Q wins.
> > > Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> > Kes, Rand, Delenn
> > Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
> > Nominees:
> > Sheridan, Sinclair, Garibaldi, Morden, G'Kar(?), Picard, Riker, Geordi,
> > Sisko, Worf(?), Bashir, Chakotay, Paris, Kim, Kirk
> Thank you for this category. Garibaldi definitely.
For witty conversation, Picard.
> > > Best evil aliens:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > > The Shadows, The Kazon
> > >
> > > My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
> > > impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> > > kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> > > sinister.
> >
> > I really can't say on this one. They're all neat (exc. the Kazon, which I added).
> > I'd say the Borg are probably the scariest, although I think that might be
> > b/c I don't know enough about the Shadows yet.
>
> What about Psi-Corps? Personally, one of my favorite characters on B5 is
> Bester-- He's SUCH a smarmy asshole!!! I love him!!! He was _fantastic_
> in that last Psi-Corps episode... The Dominion runs a close second, though.
> The Jem Hadar doing stuff like Kamikaze-ing the Odyssey, walking through a
> Level 3 security field like it was thin air (was it just me and everyone I
> know who saw that eposde, or was that an instance of several hundred thousand
> ST watchers saying "SSHHHIIIIIIT!" in perfect unison all over the country?),
> and massacring the combined Cardassian and Romulan strike forces puts them
> right up there on the badass scale.
>
> >
> > Best doctor:
> > Nominees:
> > Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
> >
> > My vote: Pulaski started developing a fascinating personality (*much*
> > better than Crusher (*Crush her!*); Bashir is very personable; but
> > Voyager's doc is the most fun.
>
> Holo-doc all the way. He's definitely my favorite character on Voyager,
> and the one consistently good thing about that show.
>
> >
> > Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
> > Nominees:
> > G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
> >
> > I'll have to go with G'Kar here, although Quark can be fairly entertaining
> > sometimes.
>
> Ditto, though reversed, and only for second and third place-- Quark has
> been one of my faves for a long time, and even made that rather silly
> "Little Green Men" episode really enjoyable by acting like a true Ferengi
> opportunist all the way through. But don't you DARE forget my man
> Garak!!! He's definitely got my vote for first place, far and away. He's
> devious, shifty, enigmatic, charming, and brilliantly portrayed by Andrew
> Robinson.
>
> > Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> > Nominees:
> > Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
> >
> > My vote: Scotty, the Miracle Worker
>
> All pretty cool; I like O'Brien a little better, just 'cause he got
> the one Cardassian I could classify as stunningly attractive (not just
> physically, but that didn't hurt) ;) practically falling over herself
> for him!
>
> --
> Kevin Andrew Kanda Kevin....@dartmouth.edu
> http://www.dartmouth.edu/~emerald O- eme...@dartmouth.edu
> Emerald, Dragon, D.H., Spanky(?!?)... eme...@coos.dartmouth.edu
> KennethBranaghHarryConnickJrBruceLeeGeneKellyToriAmosSarahMcLachlan
Michael Stegbauer
>
>Q: Have you, now? Personally, I've always been everywhere.
Now, *that's* entertainment...
How about this...
In C&C:
Unnamed C&C Tech: Captain, something's coming through the jumpgate...
It's a giant beachball... and it registers as solid.
Ivanova: Captain, I sense a great power... very alien... I feel
great joy, and graTiTude, joy and graTiTute... What the hell kind
of line is that ?!?!?
(Garibaldi in background throws table over...)
Q: [materializes] Hey 'what do you want'? You're not here for your
lines honey (looks her over... up & down... and smiles)... I feel
a bedroom scene coming on
I: SLAP!
(Garibaldi looking around confused...)
Kosh: In Kirk...
Q: You hit me...Picard nev... SLAP! [sound of PPG charging]
(Garibaldi rights table... and flips it over again...)
..In yet another brilliant tactical move...
Sheridan: Computer bring the remote defense grid online and target C&C
Kosh: TO... GO... BOLDLY!!!
Sheridan: Fir... [sound of PPG discharging]
I: Computer, belay that order...
(Garibaldi furiously snaps ink pen in half...)
Q (to Kosh, in Vorlonese): High-5!
K: I have no arms, and I must high-5!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Chocolate is a terrible thing to waste.
stegbau...@tandem.com
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
L. Harbour
pretty nice (ever seen her without her makeup), but Nana Visitor
wins this one hands down. (I'm not a DS9 fan by the way.)
L.
//* Alexander Brown on Thu, 21 Mar 1996 06:00:23 GMT in article <DoLso...@zeno.fit.edu> said...
>
[stuff deleted]
>:> > Non-PC category... Hottest babe: : > > Nominees:
>: > > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
>: > Kes, Rand, Delenn
>
> Delenn
[more stuff deleted]
Fred Owens
>>Best CO Nominees:
>> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
quickly and are devious enough to get you out alive. Picard OTOH tries to
avoid getting you into it unless necessary. He thinks fast too and you'd
survive at least as long. Sisko could command an orgy in a brothel.
>>Best second in command Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
This is tough. Ivanova is the ideal second in command because she so easily
assumes it when the boss is away. Spock must be around to offset her
becuase of his cold logic under fire so as an Ops officer I'd want him
there. Kira is needed to lead the Starfighter contingent. Sh'e far too
stuck on Sisko's religious meaning to be a great #1. Riker is a poor Kirk
clone and Chacotay shoulda stayed on the plains.
>>Best security guy/gal officer:
>> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi no question. He's the real cop of the bunch. Odo is a close
second for his intelligence gathering abilities. Worf would make a great #2
to Garibaldi instead of the weak Zack. Yar must be a squad leader because
ALL the guys would follow her. (I Know it's not PC but what a great body)
Tuvok should take up rap music (Tuvok SHakir??) <duck and run>
>>Best Really Advanced Alien Nominees:
>> Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
Never saw th esquire but I think Q is first with Kosh being beaten out by
an interdimensional rift. Kosh is th emost "alien like" but then we don't
really know what Q looks like. It's rough.
>>Non-PC category... Hottest babe Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
>> Kes, Rand, Delenn
Depends on my mood. Dax has everything. So she's the winner by a cute nose.
Ivanova has the 'hardbody' look and beautiful hair. DeLenn and Kes are
little dolls. (perm any one from this four and let me die happy please)
Kira is a small 'hardbody' type but not as cute a DeLenn. Tasha is to
butch; great body but too butch. Lyta is a typical redhead.If I wanted a
redhead I'd go after Crusher who is absolutely lovely instead. Talia and
Janeway do nothing for me. Torres is ok. Rand is average.
>>Best evil aliens Nominees:
>> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
>> The Shadows, The Kazon
The shadows win. We fear what we know least. The Borg Romulans Cardasians,
and Klingons are just variations on the horde. The Dominion have
possibilities.
>>Best doctor Nominees:
>> Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
McCoy hands down for ability and inginuity. Crusher, because she's a great
character and beautiful with it.
>>Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( ) Nominees:
>> Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
Scotty. No question at all. What a guy!
Hottest Hunk? Don't have a clue. Maybe Picard. That's what the ladies tell
me but I don't know.
Best on-goin alien race: Narn no doubt. I love their guts.
Comedy relief. Everything on Voyager or the interchanges between Bones and
Spock
> Who else belongs in the best of all possible crews?
Data - Can't do without him and Spot
Sulu and Chekhov great bridge tag-team crew
Kes, Troi, and Guinan for sickbay, counselor,and 10-forward
Garack because everyone needs a good spy.
Rhonda Jones
writes:
I liked Kirk, in the early years, however, as the movies went on....
Shatner played the charater more as a cartoon version of the original.
Picard has a good sense of his own mortality, something that Kirk
didn't. Besides, TOS had really good SF writers, and written SF tends
to be more charater driven and the Piller/Berman incarnation depends
more on technology than charater, and that is evident in the writing of
the shows.
Speak for yourself on that "politically correct intellectuals" O.K.?
TOM MATTY
I like Picard, but there were times when I felt that the dialogue between him and someone else
was no convincing enough.
BEST 2ND IN COMMAND: (1)Spock (2)Ivanova
BEST SECURITY: (1)Odo (2)Garibaldi
BEST ADV. ALIEN GUY: Q
Nothing beats "Q" except God Himself!
NON-PC CATEGORY: (1)Ivanova (2)Dax (3)Lyta Alexander
BEST EVIL ALIENS: Hands down THE SHADOWS (then the BORG)
For 1 simple reason. It takes everyone to join together to beat THE SHADOWS, but Picard and
the Enterprise beat the 'borg by simply planting a virus into their "programming". It's not
that easy w/the bad boys of Babylon 5.
BEST DOC: (1)Bashir (2)McCoy (3)Franklin
BEST ENGINEER: (1)Scotty (2)O'Brien
B5 is n/a here.
Carey
BEST 2ND IN COMMAND: Ivanova
BEST SECURITY: Garibaldi
BEST ADV. ALIEN GUY: Q
BEST DOC: McCoy
BEST ENGINEER: Scotty
Jennifer Matthews
>:Given that Q introduced the Borg to the Big E, I'd say it was the
>: least he could do; apology or no.
>
snipping!>
>The Borg were coming in the Federation's
>direction (and of course, Q knew that). If the Borg
>arrived, and Picard's type of thinking predominated, there
>wouldn't be time to change that thinking before the
>Federation was assimilated. So Picard was convinced of
>the danger in time for the Federation to "just barely"
>prepare.
>
<stuff about Kosh snipped>
>Q, of course, was about as threatened by the
>Borg as he is by the Federation. Not very. But the
>unbelievable monotony of his existence, as demonstrated in
>the Voyager episode (I've had good luck with Voyager
>episodes: seen two, liked one, loved one) does provide
>for some reason why Q behaves the way he does: the
>universe is his version of interactive tv.
I completely agree with you on these points (also re: Kosh). And,
like you, I've been fortunate in my viewing of "Voyager" (although
I also saw the "Mudskipper" ep & almost swore off ST forever more).
In regard to Q, the Q Continum (sp) and the boredom of immortality
as shown on "Voyager," yep, well done and confirmed stuff I
suspected, as well as putting things into perspective. I suppose my
only beef is: I would have liked it better had they done this on
ST:NG. Still, better late than never -- and it gave Voyager a much
needed boost.
-Jennifer Matthews
Stephen Moore
: >
: > Best regular alien (not fitting another major category):
: > Nominees:
: > G'Kar, Londo, Delenn, Quark, Nog, Neelix, Kes
<snip>
: ... But don't you DARE forget my man
: devious, shifty, enigmatic, charming, and brilliantly portrayed by Andrew
: Robinson.
YES! He's the ST character, IMO, who could exist in either universe.
<asbestos mode ON>
Stephen
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Eric Goebelbecker
> I think that the defining characteristic of a
> security guy should be professionalism. Here Garibaldi and Odo tie.
> Garibaldi would ordinarily get the win by a hair, but I'm still cheesed off
> about his stupid little joke in "Divided Loyalties."
Are you kiddin'? That was great! And perfectly in character!
Garibaldi is the kind of guy who feels a need to "break up the
tension" and also does things he later forgets. It was an excellent
character building scene.
Eric Goebelbecker
>
> In article <4intid$d...@saba.info.ucla.edu>
> si...@cs.ucla.edu (Simon Shpilfoygel) writes:
>
> > Hmmm, how'bout the best telepath:
> >
> > Lwaxana Troi, Deanna Troi, Talia and Mr. Chekov^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Bester?
>
> Bester, bester, he's our man, he can lose the use of his powers and
> remain a manipulative, devious, powerful BASTARD!!! I love him!!!
Excellent point!
>
> WAY too much time on my hands, but it's a slow day at work, so sue me,
> Kevin
Me too.
> --
> Kevin Andrew Kanda Kevin....@dartmouth.edu
> http://www.dartmouth.edu/~emerald O- eme...@dartmouth.edu
> Emerald, Dragon, D.H., Spanky(?!?)... eme...@coos.dartmouth.edu
> KennethBranaghHarryConnickJrBruceLeeGeneKellyToriAmosSarahMcLachlan
BTW, 2 days and this thread is flame free.
(Ducking and running...)
David Shipley
krob...@odin.cbu.edu "VOID" writes:
> > > There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> > > Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> > > thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> > > from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> > > Best CO:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
> GREEN DRAZI LEADER IVANOVA
>
> > > Best second in command:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
> CMD Ivanova
>
> > > Best security guy/gal:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
> Garibaldi: balding like DRAZI
>
> > > Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Kosh, Q, Squire of Gothos
>
> "No....DROSHALLA."
>
> > > Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
> > Kes, Rand, Delenn
>
> GREEN DRAZI swim suit edition Mrs. GREEN-3456cycle-combat-season-32rotation
>
> > > Non-PC category... Hottest hunk:
>
> GREEN DRAZI no ask no tell, most likely to get answer from st00pid PURPLE
> DRAZI.
>
> > > Best evil aliens:
> > > Nominees:
> > > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > > The Shadows, The Kazon
>
> PURPLE DRAZI very bad. GREEN DRAZI good!
> PURPLE DRAZI st0000000pid for DRAZI.
>
> > Best doctor:
> > Nominees:
> > Franklin, Crusher, Pulaski, Bashir, Voyager's medical hologram
>
> GREEN DRAZI not need doctor once PURPLE DRAZI are led into bay then
> airlock open in bay.
>
> > Best engineer (no B5 competition here :-( )
> > Nominees:
> > Scotty, Geordi, O'Brien
>
> GREEN DRAZI like ingestors of GREEN Alderian Brandy. Scotty drink lots.
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________________________
> "What do they think I am, an engineer?"
> Calvin
> "Engineer, me??? I just treat the world like a big bag of LEGOs."
> Killaurin O. Roberts
> http://www.cbu.edu/~kroberts
>
> \|/ ____ \|/
> "@'/ ,. \`@"
> /_| \__/ |_\
> \__U_/
> THE GALAXY OR BUST.
>
>
>
--
David Shipley
Alexander Glazamitsky
Best CO: Picard. Sinclair is close second.
Best second: Spock has been my favorite TOS character for too long, so he
takes this category; otherwise it would've been Ivanova.
Best security: space stations make for better developed security characters.
Garibaldi takes that one, Odo is second.
Best advanced alien guy: Sure, Q is more powerful, but as other people in
this thread have said, he has "plot device" written all over him. Kosh
wins.
Non-PC: I would go off the nominee list and chose first season Na'Toth.
Smart, loyal, independent, great sense of humor... what else would I
want in a woman?
Best evil aliens: Shadows are great epic villains. Dominion is a second
best - good idea, but execution could be better.
Best Doctor: I would go with Holodoctor on Voyager for managing to create
a decent character despite Voyager ...ahem.. writers. Otherwise McCoy
would've won hands down - he is a better character overall.
Best Engineer: Scotty. Of course, he had a benefit of living in
pre-technobabble era.
Best Telepath: Bester. Nobody is even close for the second place.
Best Regular Alien: This one is tough. I haven't seen Andrew Robinson
(Garak) give anything less than a great performance. Same for Andreas
Katsulas (G'Kar). Both are joy to watch, so this is a tie.
C. Clark
Kevin....@dartmouth.edu says...
>> > Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
>> > Nominees:
>> > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres,
>> Kes, Rand, Delenn
>> >
>> > My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
>
>"How far down do they go?"
>"All the way."
>*drool*
Do I really have to choose between this bunch? They're all so nice! And
Beverly too, and Uhura, and even Deanna (just so long as she looks like
Marina Sirtis). Bring them on!! I can take them all! ;-)
>Actually, I have a lot of female friends who swear that John DeLancie
made them
>drool as Q. Go figure! ...
I suppose it's the casual arrogance that does it.
Alex Clark
Frances Yen
On Wed, 20 Mar 1996, Marc Scott wrote:
> RONALD S MCNABB wrote:
> >
> > There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> > Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> > thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> > from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> > Here we go:
> >
> > Best CO:
> > Nominees:
> > Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
Picard #1 Picard #1
>
> > Best second in command:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
Chakotay is the only one
>
> > Best security guy/gal:
> > Nominees:
> > Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
Tuvok and Worf are the best
> > Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> > Nominees:
> > Kosh, Q
>
Q is not God, but he is the most advance alien
> > Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> > Nominees:
> > Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
Torres is good and so is Janeway
> > Best evil aliens:
> > Nominees:
> > Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> > The Shadows
I believe The Borg tops them all.
>
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Ron McNabb
> > mcna...@itlabs.umn.edu
> > http://www.itlabs.umn.edu/~mcna0070/
> >
> > "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
> > little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
> >
> > -Benjamin Franklin
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Marc Scott
> "You smell like smoke. That is a warrior's smell."
>
> Useless Home Page: http://www.angelfire.com/free/mscott.html
> Star Trek Poll: http://www.angelfire.com/free/trekpoll.html
>
>
Queen of the Damned
: In regard to Q, the Q Continum (sp) and the boredom of immortality
: as shown on "Voyager," yep, well done and confirmed stuff I
: suspected, as well as putting things into perspective. I suppose my
: only beef is: I would have liked it better had they done this on
: ST:NG. Still, better late than never -- and it gave Voyager a much
: needed boost.
The only reason I watched the episode was because Q was in
the advertisements. Six or however-many years ago, I can't
even imagine believing that Q would have turned out to be
such an interesting character.
It would have been a great TNG episode, though. Q pops onto
the Enterprise and says, "Well, Picard, here's your chance to
prove your moral superiority: do we let him become mortal,
so he can kill himself; or do we force him to live a life he
finds unendurable?"
[a pretty formidable ethical proposition, by the way, for
people convinced that ST is "fluff." And the producers
actually took a stand: he dies. Compare this with the
formidable ethical proposition in Deathwalker, which appeared
to have been resolved in a very dramatic way (she lives),
until that god-awful really-advanced-alien-dude-intervenes
bs at the end.]
Richard Thomas
[some stuff deleted]
|>
|> Best Female Captain lost in space: Janeway
|>
Hold on a second, what about Miss Piggy....Piiigsssss iiinnnnn Sssspaaaccceee
--
Rich Thomas
Licenced Postgrad - Another degree, some more letters
School of Physics and Space Research
University of Birmingham
B15 2TT, UK
0121 414 6465
Liberals : "10 % to the left of centre on a good day, 10 % to the right of
centre when it affects them personally" - Phil Ochs RIP, US Folk Singer
Bryan Morton
: My votes, by the way, is somebody keeping track of all this? I'd love to know
: who the overall winners are. . .
:
: Best CO: Janeway - how could you vote for anyone else after seeing Deadlock?
Hmmm...I'll be the odd one out here and vote Sisko...Remains calm in the face
of anything!
: Best Second: Ivanova - I agree, the "Ivanova is god" rampage was too funny!
Ivanova takes it again...'And if you vote for anyone else, Ivanova will
personally rip your lungs out!!' (excuse the deliberate mis-quote!)
: Best Security: Worf
Odo, definitely.
: Best Really Advanced Alien Guy: Q - Kosh has no personality
Q too (or maybe Q2?) - one of the best characters in ST, period...
: Non-PC Category - hottest hunk: Paris
err, pass... :) BUT, for Hottest Babe, Kes. No contest. At all...
: Best Evil Aliens - tie: Dominion & Videans (although I think I go w/the
: Videans - they make my skin crawl)
Surprised no-one mentioned the Vidians before this - they're excellent!
Maybe not *deliberate* bad guys, but bad nontheless. They get my vote..
: Best Doctor - tie: Crusher & holoraphic doc (she feels, he's funny)
Holodoc, any day...
: Best Regular Alien - tie again: Quark & Delenn (again, he cracks me up, she's
: incredible)
How about Morn? (only kidding...) Seriously, Delenn by a nose, then Dax.
: Best Engineer: O'Brien is great but I'll have to go w/Scotty
Ah canny' argue wi' that, captin... :)
--
______________________________________________________________________________
|_ _ _ _ 'You will know pain / You will know fear / And
|_|| |_||_|| | then you will die. Have a pleasant flight...'
_| G'Kar & Na'Toth, Babylon 5, Parliament of Dreams
Chuck Buckley
>Jennifer Matthews (jen...@umich.edu) wrote:
>
>
>: In regard to Q, the Q Continum (sp) and the boredom of immortality
>: as shown on "Voyager," yep, well done and confirmed stuff I
>: suspected, as well as putting things into perspective. I suppose my
>: only beef is: I would have liked it better had they done this on
>: ST:NG. Still, better late than never -- and it gave Voyager a much
>: needed boost.
>
>The only reason I watched the episode was because Q was in
>the advertisements. Six or however-many years ago, I can't
>even imagine believing that Q would have turned out to be
>such an interesting character.
>
>It would have been a great TNG episode, though. Q pops onto
>the Enterprise and says, "Well, Picard, here's your chance to
>prove your moral superiority: do we let him become mortal,
>so he can kill himself; or do we force him to live a life he
>finds unendurable?"
>
I also liked this episode, Q is a very interesting character. But,
the ethical portion of it, for me, died when I remembered the ST:TNG
episode when that girl turned out to be also Q. Remember what happened
to her parents? I do like the idea of a more active Q. If they do carry
this forward, he should show up on Deep Throat 9 soon.
I was not surprised about Q as I was familiar with John DeLancie from
his stint on Days of Our Lives in the early 80's. He was, to my knowledge,
the only person in history to ad lib his role in a serial. The writers
would sit back and the director would give him a sketch of items he needed
to mention in a set amount of time, then turn him loose. He carried that
show for about 3 years. (Soaps, in general, expand the role to the limit
of an actors ability to carry the role. If an actor can not handle the
role they are given, they dissappear, or are replaced if the char is
central to the plot. Peripheral characters get built up if they start
getting fan mail. DeLancie started as a minor character and, by the time
he left, had built the role to where he was in about 50% of the scenes).
Charles Buckley
Brian Rauchfuss - PCD
: Best CO:
: Nominees:
: Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
:
: My vote: Picard, perhaps one of the best charcters ever to
: grace the small screen (or big one for that matter).
I think I would declare a tie between Picard and Sinclair. Picard had alot
more character development, and was really well portrayed by Patrick Stewart.
Sinclair had an aura of mystery and a deathwish...
: Best second in command:
: Nominees:
: Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
:
: My vote: Ivanova, 3 words... "Ivanova is God"
Hard one... Ivanova gets the best lines, Kira has a past that haunts her,
and Spock always figures it out.
: Best security guy/gal:
: Nominees:
: Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
:
: My vote: Photo finish between Garibaldi and Worf. I'll take
: Garibaldi today, but if Worf has a really good line in the
: next DS9 that could change.
I'll tie Odo and Garibaldi. I never liked Worf as security - he kept getting
beat up.
: Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
: Nominees:
: Kosh, Q
:
: My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
: K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
: Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
: K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
: Q: That does it. (snap)
: K: Moo.
: I think Q wins.
Hah! Even Q can't understand Kosh! Q was generally irritating and
uninteresting, except when he lost his powers ("It's hard to work in a group
when your omnipotent") Kosh is interesting: it is hard to understand his
motives or actions (where has he been the last few episodes?) but I like the
mysterious, manipulative alien bit.
: Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
: Nominees:
: Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
:
: My vote: Tough one. I'll go with Dax. I love those spots.
I never sleep with anyone more than 3 times my age... I always had a thing
for Tasha Yar, myself.
: Best evil aliens:
: Nominees:
: Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
: The Shadows
I liked the Borg better until they were Hughized. Now it goes to the
Shadows. The Dominion is looking pretty interesting - do they remind
anyone else of the Puppeteers?
Brian
Mario Mike Irani
>
>Best Second: Ivanova
>
>Best security entity: Garibaldi
>
>Best advanced alien: Vorlons
>
>Hottest babe: Lyta
>
>Best evil aliens: Cardassians (Possibly Vorlons)
>
Amber SilverWolf (N's F*Y*M*C)
> > It occurs to me that Q is just the enema the Vorlon need.
> > I suspect any conversation between the two would be very
> > similar to conversations between Q and Picard:
> Do you realize you just voted for an alien that thinks Woodstock is on
> the same level of importance to the human race as the theory of gravity?
Er, I think it was fairly obvious that he was being extremely patronizing
during the whole introduction....
* Amber *
* *
* *
* "All in life is a waking dream and in death is the final awakening." -Q *
* *
* Amber SilverWolf *
* Nachei'yve's Foolish Young Mortal Child *
* *
Queen of the Damned
: I also liked this episode, Q is a very interesting character. But,
: the ethical portion of it, for me, died when I remembered the ST:TNG
: episode when that girl turned out to be also Q. Remember what happened
: to her parents? I do like the idea of a more active Q. If they do carry
: this forward, he should show up on Deep Throat 9 soon.
I'd "forgotten" the "girl who was also Q" episode. It would seem
there are more Q episodes than the series opener that I thought
were painful - although, to be fair - I'm not sure if the "girl
who was Q" came before or after "Riker who was Q." They seem
like rehashes of each other, and I liked "Riker who was Q"
quit a bit more. Particularly Picard's role: "Q is _fucking
with your mind, Wil_." (so he didn't say it quite that way...).
"Girl who was Q" was, however, what Q was talking about when
he mentioned that "in rare cases" the Continuum does practice
capital punishment. But the apparent contradiction was actually
a plot point in Tuvak's argument, so it seems a bit unfair to
say the ethical issue "dies" because of it.
: I was not surprised about Q as I was familiar with John DeLancie from
: his stint on Days of Our Lives in the early 80's.
DeLancie and Stewart are simply a fabulous pair. I'd love to
see them together on the Big Screen (I avoided the TNG movie,
I hope the moment didn't already happen...). While Q may
be a "plot device," he is one of the few plot devices that
actually *make* *fun* of Picard's moralizing ("Part of the
reason I love our little sessions together, Jean-Luc, is
these *wonderful* *sermons*."). Their interaction in the
TNG finale was as wonderful as the mother-of-all technobabble
storyline was, um, well, *strained*.
no one of consequence
]Jesse Mendelsohn <ve...@connectnet.com> writes:
]>Best evil aliens: TIE between the shadows and the borg.
]
]Killer Tomatoes would kick a shadow or Borg ass.
Good point. Of course, Gojira can wipe 'em all out. :-)
]As a second thought - can the
]Borg assimilate a Shadow?
I *don't* want to know. The results might be worse than if the Borg
assimilated a Pakled and made him a replacement for Locutus..
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M.Levi
Best CO: Picard, by a mile.
Best Second: Spock, the only interesting second to date.
Best Security: Garibaldi, the most believable.
Best Really Advanced Alien Guy: Q.
Non-PC Category - hottest hunk: Bashir. More to do with his charm and
brains than his looks.
Best Nemesis: the Shadows -- the Borg don't come close in terms of
sustained creepiness and suspense
Best Doctor: Holodoc
Best Regular Alien - Kosh, the most alien of all of the aliens
Best Engineer: O'Brien
And now for some new categories:
Best Villain: Londo! With Bester and Garak as runner-ups.
Best Kid: Stretching this category a tad, I'd give it to Vir. It you
rule him out, then I prefer Nog.
Best female character: Janeway
Robert Hubby
: What about the best Doctor?
: Franklin, McCoy, Crusher, Bashir, Dr. No-name?
: Well, if Im stranded millions of miles from home with some strange alien
: virus running through my system I'd want Bones McCoy by my side! Franklin
: is good, but far too depressing at times.
And Dr. (Fill in the blank for the week) wouldn't be much good out of range
of a holo-emitter...
R.A.H. Elf of the redwoods, Sonoma Valley, Breakfast Cereal Country.
"There's Klingons on the starboard bow (starboard bow, starboard bow)
There's Klingons on the starboard bow starboard bow, Jim!"
- Uhura's "voice" from "Star Trekking"
Mike
>>Best CO:
Sheridan - most believable
>>Best Second: Ivanova
>>Best security entity: Garibaldi
>>Best advanced alien: Vorlons
Q
>>Best evil aliens: Cardassians (Possibly Vorlons)
Centauri - arrogant, arrogant, and more arrogant.
Best Doc:
McCoy
Best regular alien:
G'kar
cz...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
My contribution;
C.O. Janeway (Hey, I got a thing for dominant women ;))
S-I-C Ivonova, no question.
Security Garibaldi
Alien Q
Babe The non-nominated Ensign Rho!
Baddies Borg
"I am Burns of Borg. Smithers, assimilate them!"
Wes Makin
On 19 Mar 1996, RONALD S MCNABB wrote:
> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
> Here we go:
>
>
> Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
Picard. Hands down.
>
>
> Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
Ivanova is god. BUT Spock invented the role. Vote for Spock.
>
> Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
Worf. I'm still waiting for the ST:Spinoff "The Klingons." I
don't make time to watch Voyager, but I'd tape a Klingon based show...
>
> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
>
> My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
> K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
> Q: That does it. (snap)
> K: Moo.
> I think Q wins.
>
Example not snipped as justification for voting for Q. (However,
I think this could start its own humor thread (If it hasn't already.. ;->)
K: I have always Mooed.
> Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
The Bejoran waitress in the DS9 "Strike" ep.
But, if I can't go with a one-shot I'll vote for Dax as well.
>
>
> Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
>
The Vorlons. (I'm never going to be sold on their being GOOD.
>
>
>
> Well that's about it. Any comments? Suggestions? Nothing
> anatomically impossible please.
>
Don't forget to post results.
>>Wes
gn842
>The real reason for all the Kirk bashing is that today's politically
>correct intellectual caste cannot stand the concept of a hero.
An excellently made point.
Theron Fuller
Yesterday (23 March) was William Shatner's 65th birtday, according to
the nice announcer on the radio.
Regards,
Theron Fuller
Stephen J. Roskens
Since I have been wondering how all of the votes add up. I did it.
Granted that some people were so long winded in their discussion that I
glanced by and so my numbers may be a little off. If people had only 1
vote I generally ignored it. So don't take these scores personally
people if the people you voted for didn't come up on top.
For some of the groups it came down to two people so I don't really
mention how the others did.
: There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
: Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
: thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
: from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
Here we go:
Best CO:
Nominees:
Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Picard-24
Kirk-6
Sheridan-6
Janeway-3
Sisko-1
Best second in command:
Nominees:
Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Ivanova-23
Spock-19
Best security guy/gal:
Nominees:
Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
Garibaldi-23
Worf-10
Odo-9
Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
Nominees:
Kosh, Q
Q-22
Kosh-13
Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
Nominees:
Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
(This had alot of votes all over the place but these are the two that
were on top...no pun intended.)
Dax-6
Ivoniva-6
Best evil aliens:
Nominees:
Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
The Shadows
Shadows-22
Borg-10
And there you have it people. In most cases, some of the other
catagories I didn't bother with. Such as the best Doctor-not enough
numbers to put anyone on top. Hunk-I don't do that sort of thing.
Engineer-no contest Scotty(although some people did put in a good word
for O'Brian). Other than that, I think most of the scores were ok.
Stephen Roskens.
The Tetrad
>From: David Zanatos <mjwe...@acs.ucalgary.ca>
>Subject: Re: B5-Trek contest
>Date: Wed, 20 Mar 1996 10:57:05 -0700
>> >>Best CO:
>> >> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>
PICARD THE BEST SISKO VERRY CLOSE
>> >>Best second in command:
>> >> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>
IVANOVA
>> >>Best security guy/gal:
>> >> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>
ODO WORF GETS HIS ASS KICKED TO MUCH
>> >>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
>> >> Kosh, Q
>There is no question about it, has to be Q.
>> >>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
>> >> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
KIRA I WOULD TO PLAY DOT TO DOT WITH HER
>> >>Best evil aliens:
>> >> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
>> >> The Shadows
CARDASIANS
>> >Funniest regular character:
>> > Dr. no-name-yet (VOY), Lando, Data, the comedy team >of
>> "Bashir & O'Brien"
>I would have to say it is the doc
>> Best character all around.
>> Everybody on Trek and B5
>
PICARD verry smart and has will of iron. GARAK is close if the use
him more will be a tie
IRISH
>
>
Leslie Bates
>On 19 Mar 1996, RONALD S MCNABB wrote:
>> There has been a lot of bad blood between some B5 fans and
>> Trek fans on the net. I'm a fan of both shows. So, for some fun, I
>> thought I'd start a little contest. Nominating the best character
>> from B5 or Trek in a number of different categories.
>> Here we go:
>>
>>
>> Best CO:
>> Nominees:
>> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
>>
> Picard. Hands down.
Sheridan. Guts, honor, creative solutions to tactical problems (in STL
context), and having just inherited leadership of the Earth-Force
Underground. (BTW, I'm the fellow who posted the first five issues of
The RESISTER, The Official Publication of the Special Forces
Underground, on usenet.)
>>
>>
>> Best second in command:
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
>>
> Ivanova is god. BUT Spock invented the role. Vote for Spock.
Ivanova. Additude. (Drool mode on) Blue nightgown (Drool mode off)
>>
>> Best security guy/gal:
>> Nominees:
>> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
>>
> Worf. I'm still waiting for the ST:Spinoff "The Klingons." I
>don't make time to watch Voyager, but I'd tape a Klingon based show...
They could, but it would just be the Barbarian Nomads In Spaaaaace!
What would really be neat would be an cinematic adaptation of John M.
Ford's THE FINAL REFLECTION. A much more rounded out version of the
Klingons. Deforest Kelly can play our favorite doctors grandfather.
>>
>> Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
>> Nominees:
>> Kosh, Q
>>
>> My vote: Ok imgaine this conversation:
>> K: The swift river runs quickly through the trees.
>> Q: Say something normal or I'll turn you into a cow.
>> K: The red trees are sleeping tomorrow.
>> Q: That does it. (snap)
>> K: Moo.
>> I think Q wins.
>>
> Example not snipped as justification for voting for Q. (However,
>I think this could start its own humor thread (If it hasn't already.. ;->)
> K: I have always Mooed.
K: <hamster on pot> This milk is not for you.
Will bored high school students go out into the pastures at night and
tip over Vorlons?
Omnipotent beings have by definition no particular limitations, and
are therefore boring.
Mind you, what would have been really neat in ST:TNG would have been
an episode where Q turns Picard into a woman (played by Helen Mirren,
who also did a nice spaceship captain in 2010).
>> Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
>> Nominees:
>> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>>
> The Bejoran waitress in the DS9 "Strike" ep.
> But, if I can't go with a one-shot I'll vote for Dax as well.
(Drool mode on)
Kira, in civilian party thing of hers.
(Drool mode off)
>>
>>
>> Best evil aliens:
>> Nominees:
>> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
Barbarian Hordes In SPAAAACCE!
>> The Shadows
>>
The Shadows Save, You for Lunch! <ZORCH!!>
> The Vorlons. (I'm never going to be sold on their being GOOD.
The Vorlons are pursuing their own interests, Whether those interests
are harmful to the Earthfolk , et al, is another question.
Fred Owens
>
>>> >>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
>>> >> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
>
>>
>
Da Chief - If the truth is out there, what am I doing back here?
Andy Patrizio
>Best CO:
> Nominees:
> Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, Sinclair, Sheridan
Kirk. He was the one most willing to throw the rule book out and do what
was necessary, even if it wasn't right.
>Best second in command:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Spock, Riker, Kira, Chacotay
Kira. She could beat the sh*t out of the other four bare handed. :-)
>Best security guy/gal:
> Nominees:
> Worf, Tasha Yar, Odo, Tuvok, Garibaldi
For an all-mighty Klingon, Worf gets the crap beaten out of him every
time he gets into a fight. I think Tuvok is great because the actor is
excellent, but I'll go with Garibaldi because he has something Star Trek
won't touch: faults. In short, he's real.
>Best Really Advanced Alien guy:
> Nominees:
> Kosh, Q
Oh come on. Q.
>Non-PC category... Hottest babe:
> Nominees:
> Ivanova, Talia, Lyta, Tasha Yar, Kira, Dax, Janeway, Torres
Leeta. What a babe.
>Best evil aliens:
> Nominees:
> Romulans, Cardasians, Klingons, The Borg, The Dominion,
> The Shadows
The Dominion. They have DS9 utterly paranoid.
> My vote: Hmm... I think the Borg get this one, although I'm
> impressed by the Shadows too. But the Shadows just want to
> kill you, the Borg want to "assimilated" you. Much more
> sinister.
Problem is, the Borg will ignore individuals. They only assimilate an
entire planet. Remember "I, Borg?"
BTW, you forgot best Doc.
Nominees:
McCoy, Crusher, Doctor Who (Voyager. I'm being a smart ass),
Our Man Bashir, and I forget the B5 doc.
My vote: McCoy all the way.
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- Ian Malcom, "The Lost World"
VOID
Okay I know there was some conflict due to my comical rendition of a
Drazi fanatic filling out this form. Both "thanx for the chuckle" and
"you're a sick bastard" comments. If you're guaranteed freedom of speech
under the Bill of Rights, I thank you for any and all of your comments.
If not, then as a fellow human thanks for the compliments, for those who
found my posting "disagreeable", with all due respect...GET BENT.
Okay now for some hard choices. I really don't like choosing between
these. I consider myself a sci-fi person rather than a trekkie or a
babylonian or star-warser or Spaceball or Alien or SpaceA&B fan.
BEST CO:
Maintaining Objectivity I'd have to choose between either
Sheridan or Sisko. Both command stations as well as spacecraft. Both also
hold either a political or equivalent religious role with other cultures
(B5 council chairman/Star Killer rep. vs. The Emmissary)Two environments that
are handeled very differently. I'd have to give the credit to Sisko in the end
due to the fact that he's also had to manage his family.
BEST 2ND IN COMMAND:
I'd have to run this one between Chakotay and Ivanova. Kira
spends to much time requesting leave to go settle some vendetta or
fullfilling a ritual. Riker should've taken his own command long ago
(Any real Captain would've stunned him and duct tape his ass to a
captain's chair.) Chakotay has to deal with his marquee past, which
raises ethical challenges as a commander. Ivanova's problem are less
public among those she works with, therefor I choose her.
BEST SECURITY:
Hmmmmm...tricky. Tuvok's are a dime a dozen. Just program a computer.
I think I'll pick Odo over Garibaldi. I personally like Garibaldi's character
more (DUCK DODGERS!!!), but Odo does have the surveilance advantage of
morphing.
BEST ADV. ALIEN GUY:
Q may be more knowledgable, but Kosh is a comical riot when it
come to curtness. I've found Q to have become predictable. Kosh's secret
is out the bag, yet he's still a mystery.
BEST EVIL ALIENS:
The borg are the old cliche' fear humans have about computers,
developed ever since the ENIAC first went online. The shadow's have the
PURE EVIL tone about them. Thier recruitment of other humans who not only
provide manpower, but their own personal level of even greater twisted Evil.
BEST DOC:
The DS9 and B5 docs are a bit too similiar and enjoy their own burdens.
All the 'living' docs are simply fullfilling their careers.
I'll have to pick the holo-doc from Voyager simply because he's pulling
far more weight than he was originally meant for.
BEST ENGINEER:
No doubt it's Scotty. He began the standard.