What is the meaning of Rosebud?
Linda
Thanks
Defranco71
think?
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"Dooooon't waste my MUTHAFUKIN TIMMMMEEEEE!!!!!!"
Guatemalan Gedde
said:
>It's the name of his sled. Pretty macho of a guy to name his sled doncha
>think?
Thanks a lot, you prick, I was about to watch it tonight.
Heh.
Userb3
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> I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> Thanks
>
>
>
You NEED to see Citizen Kane. Its arguably the best film ever made. But for
the time being, Rosebud was Kane's sled.
Digger
> I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
It's an Inside Hollywood joke. "Rosebud" was
the pet name William Randolph's Hearst, the
real-life model for Charles Foster Kane, used
for his mistress's clitoris (Marion Davies, the
opera diva wannabe.)
When Hearst found out Orson Welles was
producing a satirical unflattering film on his
life and the development of his scandal rag
newspaper empire, he tried to have it stopped
by calling in favors all over California and
Washington. It didn't work. Welles' mojo
was bigger, and his revenge was to use the
"Rosebud" conceit based on a fictional
childhood sled Kane was supposedly playing
with as he was torn away from his Midwest
mother as a child to be raised in the East until
he could inherit a fortune on his 21st birthday.
If you look closely at the rosebud emblem
on the sled as it burns, it looks very much
like a vagina and clitoris.
Thus Janice's comment at the sink after the
movie -- "I've been married six months and
Bobbie still hasn't found my rosebud."
Paul Cassel
>>
> Thus Janice's comment at the sink after the
> movie -- "I've been married six months and
> Bobbie still hasn't found my rosebud."
He's still digging. Six more feet of blubber and he'll be there.
Defranco71
maybe he'll find Aaron the narcoleptic. We never heard from him again. My
guess is he got buried in there and fell asleep.
r1
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Ray
> Thanks
Rent it and watch it. I hear the cinematography is excellent.
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Linda
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> > I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> > Thanks
>
>
> Rent it and watch it. I hear the cinematography is excellent.
>
KimStar
> I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
It's the crux of the meaning of the film. Rosebud allegedly was the word
Charles Kane uttered before he died, according to his personal valet who was
by his side when he expired. When he said the word, his hand opened and a
glass ball he was holding that has one of those winter scenes in it that
makes snow when you shake it fell from his hand and shattered on the floor.
When word got out about his dying word, a mystery developed around it and
people wanted to know what it meant. A newspaper sent a reporter to do
background on the man to see if he could uncover the meaning, so the whole
movie revolves around the reporter's interviews w/ all the people once close
to Kane recalling what they knew about him and his life is recreated through
their memories.
In the end, the reporter is unable to discover who or what rosebud was and
leaves w/o knowing. He tells the other newspaper people at the estate that
'rosebud' is just a missing piece of a jigsaw puzzle like the thousands of
jigsaw puzzles left on the Kane estate (Xanadu) that Kane's second wife
collected for something to do in her extreme boredom. After they leave, the
cleanup crew begins tossing thousands of items left behind into a big
furnace and we see one of the workman pick up an old sled that we recognize
from an early scene of Kane as a boy playing in the snow. As the sled burns,
the camera closes in on it and we see it has a bunch of roses on it and is
called Rosebud (sleds used to have names painted on them).
It was the sled Kane was playing on as a little boy when his mother came out
to him and told him he would be leaving right away to go off w/ a rich man
in NY who would raise him and make sure he had a good education and
everything he needs. She tells him she and his father will not be going w/
him. He's terrified and deeply hurt and begins sobbing that he doesn't want
to go. The rich man who becomes his guardian steps forward and tries to make
friends w/ him, but little Charlie shoves the man with the sled, knocking
him over. His father threatens to beat him and his mother pulls the boy in
her arms and says that's why she's sending him away...where he can't get to
him.
The sled represents Kane's sudden loss of innocence and the moment of his
mother's betrayal against him as she essentially sells him into a life he
never wished for, stripped suddenly and w/o a say in any of it of the happy,
simple existence he knew as a little boy in a country town at home with his
mom and dad.
The story goes that there was a private joke behind the choice of the name
Rosebud picked by screenwriters Mankowiscz and Welles. The story goes that
Mank. had it through a reliable source that William Randolph Hearst -- for
whom the Kane character was modeled after -- used "rosebud" as a code name
for the clitoris of his mistress, whose name eludes for the moment. She was
a Hollywood starlet. No one knows how true the story is, but supposedly it
was a dig at Hearst. It was pretty obvious in the scene on The Sopranos that
Janice used "rosebud" to refer to that same part of her anatomy to which
Hearst allegedly referred concerning his mistress.
As to the use of it on The Sopranos, I found it unmistakably meaningful and
poignant. One of the wives even says, after viewing the film, "He had all
that money and power, yet he died with nothing." What better description
could you have for Tony Soprano? He's ammassed this tremendous base of power
and a huge illegal fortune, yet he's quickly losing the things that hold
most meaning for him (family, home) or they lie just out of reach to him.
He's alone and full of sadness and self-loathing, never free from his own
demons. He is a man whose innocence and childhood was cut short and
corrupted by his exposure to his parents' mob life and his eventual
induction into that life, and he's someone who was very literally betrayed
by his own mother, and forever denied a mother's unconditional love and
acceptance.
I thought the Citizen Kane reference in the ep. was a powerful -- if
somewhat too obvious -- metaphor.
Kim
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While I did know the sled symbolized Kane's lost youth and
innocence, and made the jump to connect Kane and Tony S.,
I could'nt help but marvel at the insight of your post. I think it's
cool that the writers' reference to a "highbrow" film might actually
provide impetus for the viewing public to broaden their artistic
horizons.
Being able to afford HBO is NOT what makes you interesting.
Having a brain and using it IS!!
Welles' spirit surely smiles at the writers and you.
Thanks for sharing, Kim.
Hack ...(now leaving to check out "Citizen Kane" DVD for FREE
at the library. )
righter
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Did she ever look more like a slob than at that moment?
>
>
Digger
> "Linda" wrote:
Great post. Coupla comments.
> > I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> the Kane estate (Xanadu)
From the Coleridge poem, "Kubla Khan."
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree:
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.
The real Hearst estate, San Simeon, is
200 miles south of San Fran.
> The sled represents Kane's sudden loss of innocence
> and the moment of his mother's betrayal
Fitting image for Tony in this episode. Catch the
"You had one of those, too" comment to Masserone?
> against him as she essentially sells him into a life he
> never wished for, stripped suddenly and w/o a say
> in any of it of the happy, simple existence he knew
> as a little boy in a country town at home with his
> mom and dad.
Supposedly, in the movie, the father was abusive.
> his mistress, whose name eludes for the moment.
Marion Davies.
> She was a Hollywood starlet.
Among those in the know in LA, she was brutally
parodied in Kane. People who knew her said she
was witty, intelligent, and beautiful, and not a bad
singer at all -- just not top-tier enough to make a
New York debut. Welles supposedly lost a lot of
cred with the Davies portrayal, and it wasn't just
Hollywood power politics that lost him his directing
career. People didn't like what he'd done, and feared
getting near him.
> One of the wives even says, after viewing the film,
> "He had all that money and power, yet he died
> with nothing." What better description could you
> have for Tony Soprano?
How about, "Mmmboy! Are you fat!!!"
> He's ammassed this tremendous base of power
> and a huge illegal fortune, yet he's quickly losing
> the things that hold most meaning for him (family,
> home) or they lie just out of reach to him. He's
> alone and full of sadness and self-loathing, never
> free from his own demons. He is a man whose
> innocence and childhood was cut short and
> corrupted by his exposure to his parents' mob
> life and his eventual induction into that life, and
> he's someone who was very literally betrayed
> by his own mother, and forever denied a mother's
> unconditional love and acceptance.
>
> I thought the Citizen Kane reference in the ep.
> was a powerful -- if somewhat too obvious --
> metaphor.
Great analysis. Probably an outline for the season.
yak
says...
> I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> Thanks
>
>
>
It does NOT refer to the sled... It is referring to his childhood, what
he could have become if he had been loved instead of rich.
Rosebud, snipped.
KimStar
> KimStar wrote:
> > "Linda" wrote:
> > > I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> > The sled represents Kane's sudden loss of innocence
> > and the moment of his mother's betrayal
> Fitting image for Tony in this episode. Catch the
> "You had one of those, too" comment to Masserone?
I did indeed. I think another title for this ep. could've been "The Chickens
Have Gone Home to Roost" -- Tony, literally, has returned to his mother's
house where it all began. When he was examined his face and paunch in the
mirror, I could almost hear Livia's bitchy voice ragging on him for how he's
let himself go to pot. I was thinking he could hear it too. No wonder he's
having trouble sleeping.
I think Masserone's mother comment gave Tony incentive to like him more than
he had, and to feel a kind of bonding w/ him. When he learned of Masserone's
betrayal, it must've stung him doubly hard, being reminded by Masserone
himself a few days earlier of his mother's betrayal...the deepest cut there
was for Tony. That's why I think he had to take care of this one himself.
> > against him as she essentially sells him into a life he
> > never wished for, stripped suddenly and w/o a say
> > in any of it of the happy, simple existence he knew
> > as a little boy in a country town at home with his
> > mom and dad.
> Supposedly, in the movie, the father was abusive.
Right. The mother (Agnes Moorehead) says one of the reasons she's sending
Charlie away is so his father can't get at him anymore. OTOH, I never had
the sense whatever "abuse" the old man dealt out was much beyond the norm
for their class and their time. Charlie appeared a very happy little boy
playing in the snow.
> > his mistress, whose name eludes for the moment.
> Marion Davies.
Yes, thank you.
> > She was a Hollywood starlet.
> Among those in the know in LA, she was brutally
> parodied in Kane. People who knew her said she
> was witty, intelligent, and beautiful, and not a bad
> singer at all -- just not top-tier enough to make a
> New York debut. Welles supposedly lost a lot of
> cred with the Davies portrayal, and it wasn't just
> Hollywood power politics that lost him his directing
> career. People didn't like what he'd done, and feared
> getting near him.
I think Davies most likely did get an unfair shake from Welles. Still, I
can't buy the story that damage to his career was a result of mass
disapproval of people in the industry for how the Davies-based character was
portrayed. Hearst was arguably the most dangerous mogul to go up against of
the time. Welles' film survived (just barely, at the time), but Hearst was
able to contain the development of Welles' career forever, preventing him
from ever having the kind of unabridged creative control over a film that he
had assumed over Citizen Kane.
> > One of the wives even says, after viewing the film,
> > "He had all that money and power, yet he died
> > with nothing." What better description could you
> > have for Tony Soprano?
> How about, "Mmmboy! Are you fat!!!"
That could've been Livia saying that.
> > I thought the Citizen Kane reference in the ep.
> > was a powerful -- if somewhat too obvious --
> > metaphor.
> Great analysis. Probably an outline for the season.
Well thank you! That's very nice. I think you could be right too...they may
well be going for a CK theme this season. Oh well. At least Kane didn't get
whacked. ; )
Kim
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KimStar
<hack wrote:
> "KimStar" wrote:
<snipped>
> While I did know the sled symbolized Kane's lost youth and
> innocence, and made the jump to connect Kane and Tony S.,
> I could'nt help but marvel at the insight of your post.
Wow. Thanks! That's an awfully nice compliment. Not sure if it's deserved
though...if you made those couple of "leaps" yourself, I'm not sure I added
any insights beyond that. But I'm glad if you got something out of reading
it anyway. : )
> I think it's
> cool that the writers' reference to a "highbrow" film might actually
> provide impetus for the viewing public to broaden their artistic
> horizons.
I think it's great if anyone who's never seen CK will take a look at it now
because of coming up in The Sopranos, and maybe after reading some
discussions on its connection. Everyone really should see this film. I think
it earns its reputation as possibly the best film ever made. It truly is an
amazing work.
> Being able to afford HBO is NOT what makes you interesting.
> Having a brain and using it IS!!
Which is one reason I always enjoy The Sopranos, even when critics and fans
complain the action is absent or is dragging. Some episodes *can* be slow,
and sometimes it does seem as though nothing is happening. But every ep.
makes me think. There's always things to look for in every ep. that contain
deeper meaning for those who enjoy diving and digging for pearls. Not
everyone wants to do that or gets a kick from that. But I like TV that
challenges my intellect a little, and shows respect for the intelligence and
depth of its audience. Few programs make that effort.
> Welles' spirit surely smiles at the writers and you.
> Thanks for sharing, Kim.
Wow, thanks...that's very, very nice. As it happens, I had the tremendous
good fortune to hear Welles speak live and to meet him briefly after at a
film screening I attended many years ago, as part of major film festival. A
friend of mine who worked on organizing some of the festival gave me the
head's up that Welles had been invited to a screening and had indicated he
would try to be there. No one was sure until almost the last moment if he'd
make it or not, so nothing was announced publicly. As a result, the
attendance was somewhat light (as opposed to what it had been had people
known Welles would be there) and it was an "intimate" group.
Even though I knew there was a good chance he'd be there, it was an
incredible thrill when he was introduced and walked out on the stage. The
room went nuts for a moment and the reception for him was tremendous.
Everyone stood and applauded thunderously and hooted and whistled and it
went on for several minutes. He stood up there beaming and nodding his head
over and over and it was obvious he was getting quite choked up. I could see
his eyes moisten w/ tears, even from where I was sitting. I felt so good for
him...after the beating his career took, I think it had to be gratifying for
him to see how much filmlovers admired and respected him.
He was a wonderful orator, too...very funny and witty and engaging. He came
across as quite humble, too, which may well have been an act. I have to
think the man had a big ego. But it certainly didn't seem so seeing him in
public. He was very gracious and showed considerable appreciation for the
warm reception.
After he left the stage, I assumed he left the theater. But after the
screening, the house manager announced that Mr. Welles was in the lobby to
meet those attending personally. People were getting autographs and pictures
taken with him, but unfortunately I hadn't thought to bring anything to
write on. But I did make my way up to him and had a chance to say hello,
tell him I was a fan and shake his hand. It was a very exciting moment for
me and I'm so glad I have that memory. It wasn't many years later he died.
> Hack ...(now leaving to check out "Citizen Kane" DVD for FREE
> at the library. )
Good for you! Too few people are aware of that resource. Hope you enjoy it.
I never tire of seeing it.
Digger
> they may well be going for a CK theme this season.
Lots of semi-naked young people? ;-o
> Oh well. At least Kane didn't get whacked. ; )
There is season 6 to think of.
Maybe that'll be a Lear theme.
So what do you think of the idea that Tony didn't
take care of his people. Chris brought it up when
they whacked Ralphie. Now Tony Egg is saying
the same thing anent his daughter.
Could "Tony B" be the alter-ego of "Tony A."
That is to say, the "good" Tony -- wisecracking,
caring, law-abiding, maybe a tad androgynous?
Is Tony's immediate dislike of Tony B a reflection
of his lack of insight from therapy. He told Dr. Melfi,
"Now that I have all this insight, what has it gotten me!?"
Could Rosebud be the lost promise of what "Tony
Uncle Johnny" could have been, had he not been
raised by Livia?
KimStar
> KimStar wrote:
> > they may well be going for a CK theme this season.
> Lots of semi-naked young people? ;-o
Well, there was that one scene in CK w/ scantily clad dancing girls.
> There is season 6 to think of.
> Maybe that'll be a Lear theme.
Oh then I'm lost! I got a "C" on a paper I wrote on King Lear for a
Shakespeare course in college. Hidden Lear themes will be much harder for me
to decipher.
> So what do you think of the idea that Tony didn't
> take care of his people. Chris brought it up when
> they whacked Ralphie. Now Tony Egg is saying
> the same thing anent his daughter.
>
> Could "Tony B" be the alter-ego of "Tony A."
> That is to say, the "good" Tony -- wisecracking,
> caring, law-abiding, maybe a tad androgynous?
>
> Is Tony's immediate dislike of Tony B a reflection
> of his lack of insight from therapy. He told Dr. Melfi,
> "Now that I have all this insight, what has it gotten me!?"
>
> Could Rosebud be the lost promise of what "Tony
> Uncle Johnny" could have been, had he not been
> raised by Livia?
Hmmm. I don't know. Sounds a little too deep for me.
Digger
> "Digger" wrote:
> they may well be going for a CK theme this season.
> > Lots of semi-naked young people? ;-o
> Well, there was that one scene in CK w/ scantily
> clad dancing girls.
Sorry. I was joking. Without the proper logotype,
my stoopid pun on Calvin Klein just didn't work. :-[
L H
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"Jeff George" <geor...@comcast.net.munged> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:47:09 GMT, "KimStar"
> <star...@comcastNOSPAM.net> added the following words of wisdom:
>
> >"Linda" wrote:
> >> I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> >
> >It's the crux of the meaning of the film. Rosebud allegedly was the word
> >Charles Kane uttered before he died, according to his personal valet who
was
> >by his side when he expired. When he said the word, his hand opened and a
> >glass ball he was holding that has one of those winter scenes in it that
> >makes snow when you shake it fell from his hand and shattered on the
floor.
> >
>
> Citizen Kane is such a great film. There was even a fictional film
> made about it, I can't remember the name, that showed Welles and the
> work on the screenplay. Another interesting film is "The Cat's Meow",
> which is set on William Randolph Hearst's yacht. A very interesting
> story with many good actors.
>
> Jeff George
> SLAP (Socialist Liberation Army of the People)
> SLUG (Socialists for Liberty United Government)
>
>
> Power to the People! Vive la revolution!
> Viva La Revolucion!
wildearth
"Digger" <dig...@digger.not> wrote in message
Bingo.
> Could "Tony B" be the alter-ego of "Tony A."
> That is to say, the "good" Tony -- wisecracking,
> caring, law-abiding, maybe a tad androgynous?
Casting Buscemi against type makes him look effeminate, and the character's
entering a predominately female profession, so he probably symbolizes Tony's
feminine side. And more than just being a caring, law-abiding person, he's
entering a career that's considered a healing profession.
>
> Is Tony's immediate dislike of Tony B a reflection
> of his lack of insight from therapy. He told Dr. Melfi,
> "Now that I have all this insight, what has it gotten me!?"
A healer, Melfi, could not dissuade Tony from killing, but an institution of
killers transformed Tony B. into a healer.
WildE
Nick
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Defranco71
I rented Money Train.
John Doherty
"KimStar" <star...@comcastNOSPAM.net> wrote:
> "Linda" wrote:
> > I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
>
> It's the crux of the meaning of the film. Rosebud allegedly was the word
> Charles Kane uttered before he died, according to his personal valet who was
> by his side when he expired. When he said the word, his hand opened and a
> glass ball he was holding that has one of those winter scenes in it that
> makes snow when you shake it fell from his hand and shattered on the floor.
>
> The story goes that there was a private joke behind the choice of the name
> Rosebud picked by screenwriters Mankowiscz
Actually Mankiewicz (might have an extra consonant there) -- his son
Frank Mankewicz went on to work with RFK (with him the night he died) &
McGovern, in Democratic politics!
> and Welles. The story goes that
> Mank. had it through a reliable source that William Randolph Hearst -- for
> whom the Kane character was modeled after -- used "rosebud" as a code name
> for the clitoris of his mistress, whose name eludes for the moment.
Marion Davies, I think...
> She was
> a Hollywood starlet. No one knows how true the story is, but supposedly it
> was a dig at Hearst. It was pretty obvious in the scene on The Sopranos that
> Janice used "rosebud" to refer to that same part of her anatomy to which
> Hearst allegedly referred concerning his mistress.
Wasn't Hearst a great crusader for Family Values back then, too, all the
while shtupping the mistress in his baroque mansion? ;-)
>
> As to the use of it on The Sopranos, I found it unmistakably meaningful and
> poignant. One of the wives even says, after viewing the film, "He had all
> that money and power, yet he died with nothing." What better description
> could you have for Tony Soprano? He's ammassed this tremendous base of power
> and a huge illegal fortune, yet he's quickly losing the things that hold
> most meaning for him (family, home) or they lie just out of reach to him.
> He's alone and full of sadness and self-loathing, never free from his own
> demons. He is a man whose innocence and childhood was cut short and
> corrupted by his exposure to his parents' mob life and his eventual
> induction into that life, and he's someone who was very literally betrayed
> by his own mother, and forever denied a mother's unconditional love and
> acceptance.
>
> I thought the Citizen Kane reference in the ep. was a powerful -- if
> somewhat too obvious -- metaphor.
>
Yeah, I saw this coming when Carmela announced her pick. Funny about
that #3 film in the AFI 100...;-)
JD
Jim Heckman
On 17-Mar-2004, le...@hotmail.com (red leaf)
wrote in message <40597a4e...@news.east.earthlink.net>:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:10:27 -0500, "Linda" <jazz...@yahoo.com>
> claimed:
>
> >I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> > Thanks
>
> Rhymes with Doris.
Mulva?
--
Jim Heckman
PROMETHEUS
"Jeff George" <geor...@comcast.net.munged> wrote in message
> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 05:05:34 GMT, "KimStar"
> <star...@comcastNOSPAM.net> added the following words of wisdom:
>
> >
now
> >because of coming up in The Sopranos, and maybe after reading some
> >discussions on its connection. Everyone really should see this film. I
think
> >it earns its reputation as possibly the best film ever made. It truly is
an
> >amazing work.
Audiences don't care for CK. They find it dull. Critics rave about it. You
are merely apeing the critics. We all know that you prefer the POLICE
ACADEMY series!
Pollux
comment?
She's the only one I didn't recognize. There was Janice, Carm, Ro, Gabby
Dante (I think), Adriana and the mystery woman.
Jim Mauro
> poignant. One of the wives even says, after viewing the film, "He had all
> that money and power, yet he died with nothing." What better description
> could you have for Tony Soprano? He's ammassed this tremendous base of power
> and a huge illegal fortune, yet he's quickly losing the things that hold
> most meaning for him (family, home) or they lie just out of reach to him.
> He's alone and full of sadness and self-loathing, never free from his own
> demons.
Just like Michael Corleone, at the end of Godfather II.
Remember the scene in Godfather II, when Michael goes to
see his Mother (Al Pacino walking through the snow in his
Neveda Estate), and he asks his Mother if his father,
in trying to provide for and protect his family, ever
"lost it" (the family that is).
A powerful theme when done well, as it was in CK, and G-II.
Unfortunately, The Soprano's is getting so schmaltzy (sp?)
that it's getting more and more difficult to weed out the
strong moments from the lame cruft.
/jim
poldy
le...@hotmail.com (red leaf) wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:10:27 -0500, "Linda" <jazz...@yahoo.com>
> claimed:
>
> >I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> > Thanks
>
> Rhymes with Doris.
Actually rhymes with Delores.
Mulva?
poldy
le...@hotmail.com (red leaf) wrote:
> >> Rhymes with Doris.
> >
> >Actually rhymes with Delores.
>
> I like Doris better. Hell, I'll take 'em both.
>
> >Mulva?
The reference is from a Seinfeld ep. The chick's name rhymed with a
part of a woman's body. Jerry guessed Mulva. Turned out to be Delores.
Geekly
"KimStar" <star...@comcastNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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> "Linda" wrote:
> > I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
>
> It's the crux of the meaning of the film. Rosebud allegedly was the word
> somewhat too obvious -- metaphor.
>
> Kim
> (remove NOSPAM to email)
Day-amm. That post kicked ass.
G.
Geekly
"Jeff George" <geor...@comcast.net.munged> wrote in message
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:01:34 +0900, "PROMETHEUS"
> <du...@alpha.ocn.ne.jp> added the following words of wisdom:
> all. Any audience that finds Citizen Kane dull would have to be full
> of mouth-breathing, bottom feeding, white trash.
Or Japanese trolls.
G.
KimStar
> "KimStar" wrote:
> > "Linda" wrote:
> > > I never saw Citizen Kane. What is rosebud?
> > It's the crux of the meaning of the film. Rosebud allegedly was the word
> > I thought the Citizen Kane reference in the ep. was a powerful -- if
> > somewhat too obvious -- metaphor.
> Day-amm. That post kicked ass.
Hey, thanks, Geek! : )
Poetic Badgers
> Wasn't Hearst a great crusader for Family Values back then, too, all
> the while shtupping the mistress in his baroque mansion? ;-)
Hearst had been with Davies for over a decade while living separate lives
with both her and his wife: with Davies in a suite at his studio and in a
mansion he later bought for her in Beverly Hills; and with his wife
Millicent and his children in hotels (the Clarendon, IIRC) and at San
Simeon. That is until Millicent gave him the it's-her-or-me ultimatum in
1925, which she promptly lost.
Interestingly enough, the W.R. Hearsts stayed married and went through
all the public social motions of marriage (anniversary parties, birthday
parties for the children, hosting parties togehter, etc., although they
never lived together again) until his death in '51 I think it was.
Clearly he loved both cake and frosting.
--
Poetic Badgers
more than arm candy
Smeeter #32
"Thank G*d I took off my heels, and put on my... HIMALAYAN WALKING
SHOES!!!" -Elaine Benes, writing copy for JPeterman's
wildearth
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> On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:30:06 -0500, "wildearth" <wild...@vathek.com>
> wrote:
>
> >A healer, Melfi, could not dissuade Tony from killing, but an institution
of
> >killers transformed Tony B. into a healer.
>
> philosophy-spouting ("one door opens, another closes") New Age guy.
Actually, it transformed Richie into a man engaged to a psychobabbling,
self-actualizing New Age gal, who just happens to be the big boss's little
sister......
> It's too soon to tell about Tony B.,
Definitely too soon. It's the paradox seen from Tony's perspective, within
the context of the first two episodes.
>though I tend to think he does
> want to go straight, because the tension of that versus what his old
> buds are doing could be good for the story line.
Makes sense, particularly because it seems the moral members of the
family--Carm and Meadow, i.e. the feminine side of the family--have been all
but phased out. The Tony B character would integrate the Good vs. Evil
theme into the family dynamic.
WildE