Mafia Questions?
rik
mafia and how they relate to the show.
First up, the concept of being "made". I heard the explanation of the
term from watching Goodfella's, but in relation to the Soprano's, who is
made and who isn't? Is it just captains and higher? I heard them say
Ritchie was made. Is or was he a "capo"? Paulie, Pussy, and Sylvio-are
any of them made and are they all considered soldiers? Can a soldier be
made?
Next up, what exactly does the term "shylock" mean. I tried looking it
up but found nothing so I assume I must be spelling it wrong.
Finally, and this may be stupid, but when they refer to points do they
mean percentage points? For example, when Junior taxed the lawyer
guy(Tesh?) 2 points on his "shy" business.
thanx in advance
mickey....@alaskaair.com
think I'm correct with my answers. If anyone feels differently, speak
up.
First off, my understanding is that the only rule with regard to being
made is that you have to be 100% Italian. And your roots must be
traced back to the "old country". I believe that Silvio and Paulie are
made and Pussy was too. I know Jimmy Altieri was, because Tony
mentioned before he had him whacked. I don't think there's a certain
level you have to attain in order to be made.
A "shylock" is another word for "loan shark". Or as Websters says, a
"heard hearted lender".
I assume the same thing you do on the points.
Mickey
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Avb
just means you're officially mafia, you've taken an oath or some bullshit
too, and most importantly you can fuck with anyone who isn't made wehnever
you feel like it and nobody can touch you (even other made guys) without the
permission of a boss. That's how I understand it anyway. I think shylock
is some derogatory term that has to do with lawyers - maybe specifically
jewish lawyers but i'm not for sure. I think pionts means percent per week.
Like if a mafia guy gives you a loan and quotes a percentage or a number of
points they usually collect WEEKLY as opposed to if yougot a loan from a
bank the percentage would be yearly.
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it, "organized crime" the made men are of course the Boss or Don, the
second-in-command or under boss and the Consiglieri (Italian for
Counselor.)
The Capo Regime, a group of men who serve under the boss run their own
crews of made men, these made men are Soldiers.
In the Sopranos Pussy, Paulie and Sylvio are all soldiers. Although now
Pussy is dead so he is nothing... Paulie has risen to Capo Regime of the
Tony Soprano crew and Sylvio while still a soldier is considered the
Consglieri to Tony the Acting Boss or Underboss to his Uncle Junior.
Tony wanted it that way, as long as the FEDS think they have the boss of
the Family in jail Tony gets to run things on the street.
Christopher is not a made man, not yet. Tony told him he would proposed
for membership, he'll be getting his button, he'll be a made guy which
means he cant be touched..
I was wondering.. who does Tony have to talk to about getting Chris
made, it's not like he has to ask Junior. I think he may have to talk to
some people in New York about it, maybe Johnny Sac or some one higher.
Even though New Jersey is it's own Family, they are still kind of under
the thumb of some one in New York, one of the 5 Families probably.
dry-heat
It's not part of the NYC families.
Sam DeCavalcante was the boss of NJ for a long time.
This was when the Genovese, Bonanno, Luchese, Colombo and Gambino families
were in NY. Not sure if Gambino and Genovese are the same family or not
though.
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don...@concentric.net
I just wanted to add a note to this question. Yes, it is true that you have to
be 100% Italian and have roots back to the old country to be in the "Mafia". A
further note is you NEED to be Sicilian!
This is why Al Capone was NEVER in the Mafia!! Its one thing to be a member of
organized crime or a ethnic gang, but its another to be a member of the Mafia!
Chicago Don
Big Red Shark
"Avb" <lat...@mnamd.com> wrote in message
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: As far as I know being made and being a capo are totally unrelated. Made
: just means you're officially mafia, you've taken an oath or some bullshit
: too, and most importantly you can fuck with anyone who isn't made wehnever
: you feel like it and nobody can touch you (even other made guys) without
the
: permission of a boss. That's how I understand it anyway. I think shylock
: is some derogatory term that has to do with lawyers - maybe specifically
: jewish lawyers but i'm not for sure. I think pionts means percent per
week.
: Like if a mafia guy gives you a loan and quotes a percentage or a number
of
: points they usually collect WEEKLY as opposed to if yougot a loan from a
: bank the percentage would be yearly.
you should read more shakespeare. strike that. you should just read more.
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B.A.
<don...@concentric.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> Hi,
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> I just wanted to add a note to this question. Yes, it is true that you
have to
> be 100% Italian and have roots back to the old country to be in the
"Mafia". A
> further note is you NEED to be Sicilian!
Actually not true. John Gotti for instance was of Neapolitan heritage. Gotti
jr. has jewish blood.
gr.
B.A.
Avb
Big Red Shark
: Fuck you! Shakespeare? Gimme a fucking break.
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Spud Hawk
a leverage thing, you are less likely to screw up knowing that they can get
your familiy as well as your extended family. There is also a concept known as
"making your bones" which means you must kill someone. One must "make their
bones" before you can get made. Getting made is rese
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Big Red Shark
: Fuck you! Shakespeare? Gimme a fucking break.
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: > you should read more shakespeare. strike that. you should just read
more.
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How did you rearrange my reply and put it at the top of the post? what sort
of malishus computer hacker are you?
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Robert Lee
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>Fuck you! Shakespeare? Gimme a fucking break.
He was trying to. It's where the term "Shylock" comes from.
--Robert
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"Also, it pixelates the genitals of a dead native, which is
totally unacceptable."
BlackJet76
it, "organized crime" the made men are of course the Boss or Don, the
second-in-command or under boss and the Consiglieri (Italian for
Counselor.) >>
So the Consiglieri is like the #3 man? Then why did Mikey Palmicey tell his
woman that he was going to be moving up in the world to captain, maybe higher?
I though Mikey was Junior's consiglieri?
BlackJet76
Even though New Jersey is it's own Family, they are still kind of under
the thumb of some one in New York, one of the 5 Families probably.
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Maybe Junior's boss, the old man in jail
consigliere
extensively and without a doubt Al Capone was in the Mafia. Capone
hosted the first national meeting of the COMMISSION in Chicago in May of
1931. This meeting was attended by all the bosses of the 5 NYC Families,
Salvatore Maranzano, Charlie Luciano, Joe Profaci, Vincent Mangano, and
Gaetano Gagliano along with Stefano Magonza Maggadino, the boss of
Buffalo among other bosses from different parts of the country.
Al Capone was Italian and he was in the Mafia.
consigliere
Northen Italians are also in La Cosa Nostra... the Mafia.
Did you know that Capone is tanslated in Sicilian as "a castrated cat" ?
consigliere
to New York that many people believe that they are often under the thumb
of one if not more of the five families. I know that several of the NYC
Families did business in Jersey and even had their own crews operating
in Jersey.
Willie Moretti who Chris talked about with Jon Favreau and the D Girl
was the #2 to nyc boss Frank Costello, Moretti also worked out of New
Jersey, I think he ended up klling himself.
Gambino Family, formerly headed by Vincent Mangano and then Albert
Anastasia had crews in Jersey as well.
From what I have been reading it seems that New Jersey was all on its
own, it appears that people could go set up shop in Jersey without
worry.
And Sam DeCalvacante was an arron by for Lucchese, Gambino, Colombo,
which ever Liberal/Americanized bosses were dominating the Commission.
DeCalvacante was a squirrel.
Just when I thought I was out.
They pulled me back in.
Donnie Falcone
(consigliere) wrote:
>What do you mean Al Capone wasnt in the Mafia... i have researched it
snip
> and he was in the Mafia.
No he wasn't.
Donnie.
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Donnie Falcone
You're probably right here. (There goes the neighbourhood! :-) ) Since
the 70's memberships has become looser, but originally you had to be
Sicilian. I take your point howeveer that that is probably not the
case today.
Donnie.
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>gr.
>B.A.
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Scrollkey1
to have an Italian father. The Italian name is important.
For example, John "Junior" Gotti, son of the imprisoned Dapper Don, was made
yet he is part Jewish through his mother's family.
Cheers,
Russ McDermott
(delete "nospam" from address to send e-mail)
Scrollkey1
1920s. Frank Costello, Willie Moretti and Albert Anastasia, for example, were
not Sicilian.
To be made you must have an Italian father. Almost all have Italian mothers as
well, but that is not set in stone anymore.
The families don't make guys every month or even year. It may be five years
between ceremonies. From the late 1950s through the early 1970s virtually no
new members were made.
In New York, for example, when they "open the books" as it is called, each
capo will be told how many men he can sponsor. He will choose who he wants to
sponsore and then a list is sent around to the other families, just to make
sure no other family has a claim on, or major problem with, any of the proposed
men.
If all goes well, the proposed man will go through the ceremony and become a
made man.
At one time, an associate had to participate in a hit to be made. That doesn't
mean he had to kill, but that he had to be a part of the hit. He may be backup
or the driver, but he had to be implicated. That hasn't been the case for
years. Being a good earner is all that is required today.
The general structure of a family is as follows, from bottom up:
Civilian: Anyone not connected with the mob. In other words, prey.
Associate: (also called a connected guy) An associate is on record as being
"with" a made man, either a soldier or capo. He must share his earnings with
the guy he is "with." He won't win a dispute with a wiseguy, but he does have
protection through the made man he is with.
Soldier: (or soldato, a rarely used term) A man who has taken the oath in a
Cosa Nostra family. He is under a capo, with whom he must share his profits,
and usually has a crew of associates of his own. He gets a share of their
earnings.
Capo: also known as Caporegime or Capo decina (though in fact no one uses those
terms today) is a boss in his own right--everyone capo or above is usually
referred to as a "boss." He commands a crew of soldiers and gets a percentage
of their earnings. It may be half, it may be less. But the capo will set the
figure and the soldiers will cheat here and there. The capo reports to and
share his earnings with ...
Underboss (sottocapo): He is the second in command to the boss and oversees the
capos. He gets a part of each capo's take and usually has his own crew as well.
Consigliere: Depending on the family, the consigliere is equal to the
underboss or he isn't. In some families the title is virtually meaningless, but
in the New York families it is important. He is a counselor to the boss and, in
theory at least, someone the capos can go to if they have a problem with the
underboss. The consigliere will usually have a crew that just reports to him.
Boss: ("the" capo as opposed to "a" capo): The boss of the family. He gets a
share of what the underboss gets from all the capos and also is gifted with
Christmas presents, birthdays presenst --well, you get the idea--from capos and
ambitious soldiers. Some bosses have crews of their own who don't report to any
capo, but some don't.
BTW, La Cosa Nostra is never used by the mob in the U.S. They do say Cosa
Nostra sometimes, which means "our thing" or "this thing of ours." However,
"La" Cosa Nosta would mean The Our Thing or The This Thing Of Ours! It is
basically an FBI mistake.
Foresight
Shakespeare's plays?
Frayed
Scrollkey1 <scrol...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> BTW, La Cosa Nostra is never used by the mob in the U.S.
They do say Cosa
> Nostra sometimes, which means "our thing" or "this thing of
ours." However,
> "La" Cosa Nosta would mean The Our Thing or The This Thing
Of Ours! It is
> basically an FBI mistake
No, in Italy/Italian they use la/il or *the* a lot more and
in different ways, e.g. the
Mrs.. so and so instead of Mrs.. so and so. It does translate
a little strangely
in English.
Scrollkey1
>in different ways, e.g. the
>Mrs.. so and so instead of Mrs.. so and so. It does translate
>a little strangely
>in English.
Not in this case. If you look at transcripts of mob conversations taped by the
FBI and the police, you never see La Cosa Nostra, only Cosa Nostra (although
that term is used rarely.) Usually they will call it the mob, this thing or our
thing, occasionally borgata or brugad (this seems to be mostly a Genovese
tradition), or sometimes by a nickname. For example, New England used "the
office," Buffalo used "the arm" and Chicago, of course, is "the outfit."
La Cosa Nostra stems from the testimony of Joe Valachi, who never used the
term. He only said Cosa Nostra. The FBI, looking for name for the organization,
corrupted it to La Cosa Nostra. Some speculate that because that J. Edgar
Hoover had so long denied the mafia's existence, the name was coined so the FBI
could say there is no mafia in the U.S., but we knew about LCN all the time.
Scrollkey1
>Shakespeare's plays?
Yes, "The Merchant of Venice." Shylock, or shy, means loanshark. In Chicago a
shy is sometimes called a juice man, because of the juice, another word for
interest.
Juice is also called vigorish or vig. Both terms can mean interest on a shy
loan or can mean the percentage a bookie charges on a losing bet (for example,
if you bet $100 on a football game and lose you owe $110. If you win you get
$100. So the book makes 5 percent on all the money bet as long as he had a
equal amount in bets on both teams. Of course, a book can get overloaded on one
side so he will have to lay off the excess action and that cuts into his
profits.)
Vigorish can also mean the house percentage in any gambling game, whether it is
the house percentage in a crap game or 5 percent cut from a pot in poker.
Points simply mean the amount of interest. A loan where you pay 3 points is 3
percent a week.
Points can also mean ownership. For example, if I have 5 points in a casino, I
have 5 percent ownership of the casino.
ctakim
character in the Merchant of Venice. The immortal bard slipped a bit
and catered to the stereotype of Jews as being tight fisted money
lenders (remember the pound of flesh and all that). But in the end, he
made the poor guy into a sympathetic character. Now the term has been
applied to anyone who is miserly and tight with his money, or can be
applied more generally to the money lending and high interest
business.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:00:11 -0500 (EST), spa...@webtv.net (rik)
wrote:
> I was hoping someone could answer a few general questions about the
>mafia and how they relate to the show.
> First up, the concept of being "made". I heard the explanation of the
>term from watching Goodfella's, but in relation to the Soprano's, who is
>made and who isn't? Is it just captains and higher? I heard them say
>Ritchie was made. Is or was he a "capo"? Paulie, Pussy, and Sylvio-are
>any of them made and are they all considered soldiers? Can a soldier be
>made?
> Next up, what exactly does the term "shylock" mean. I tried looking it
>up but found nothing so I assume I must be spelling it wrong.
> Finally, and this may be stupid, but when they refer to points do they
>mean percentage points? For example, when Junior taxed the lawyer
>guy(Tesh?) 2 points on his "shy" business.
>
>thanx in advance
>
Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace
ctakim
100% Italian? Although in the old days it was more strict. Remember
Henry Hill was 50% Sicilian, but could never be made. Also, no police
or FBI undercover agents has ever been made, although Donny Brasco
(aka Joe Pistone (another alias) came close.
Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace
ctakim
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:53:46 +0100, "B.A."
<boudewijn_ed.btgm.demon.nl> wrote:
Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace
ctakim
this when Tony said the books are closed.
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:37:44 -0900 (AKST), JMS...@webtv.net wrote:
>In the Mafia... Mob, La Cosa Nostra, Our Thing, or what ever you call
>it, "organized crime" the made men are of course the Boss or Don, the
>second-in-command or under boss and the Consiglieri (Italian for
>Counselor.)
>The Capo Regime, a group of men who serve under the boss run their own
>crews of made men, these made men are Soldiers.
>In the Sopranos Pussy, Paulie and Sylvio are all soldiers. Although now
>Pussy is dead so he is nothing... Paulie has risen to Capo Regime of the
>Tony Soprano crew and Sylvio while still a soldier is considered the
>Consglieri to Tony the Acting Boss or Underboss to his Uncle Junior.
>Tony wanted it that way, as long as the FEDS think they have the boss of
>the Family in jail Tony gets to run things on the street.
>Christopher is not a made man, not yet. Tony told him he would proposed
>for membership, he'll be getting his button, he'll be a made guy which
>means he cant be touched..
>
>I was wondering.. who does Tony have to talk to about getting Chris
>made, it's not like he has to ask Junior. I think he may have to talk to
>some people in New York about it, maybe Johnny Sac or some one higher.
>Even though New Jersey is it's own Family, they are still kind of under
>the thumb of some one in New York, one of the 5 Families probably.
>
Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace
ctakim
Capi or something like that? Livia used the term in season one.
On 27 Jan 2001 15:15:32 GMT, scrol...@aol.comnospam (Scrollkey1)
wrote:
>It hasn't been required that one be of Sicilian ancestry since before the
>1920s. Frank Costello, Willie Moretti and Albert Anastasia, for example, were
>not Sicilian.
>
>
Crackin' toast, Grommit! --Wallace
Theresa Nelson
for membership, he'll be getting his button, he'll be a made guy which
means he cant be touched..<<<
Just a slight correction if I may. Getting his button and being
made does not mean he cannot be touched, it means he cannot be touched
(or whacked) without permission.
Theresa Nelson
as I can tell from both seasons of the Sopranos, no one is actually designated to
this position but Tony has consulted with Silvio from time to time.
consigliere
Salvatore Maranzano was the Boss of Bosses or Capo de tutti Capi after
the death of Joe "the Boss" Masseria at the end of the Castellemarese
War. Maranzano would be the founding father of the Commision, he was
shot and stabbed to death by men posing as IRS agents in 1931.
The Murphys
Murph
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Family not the under boss so he is also a #2 man. The under boss is in
charge when ever the Boss is away or in jail. The Capo Regime report to
the under boss and pay the under boss, who then pays the Boss.
The Consiglierr is a very important man in the Family. He settles
disputes between soldiers, Capo's, and other Families. He is usually the
person in the Family who the Boss trusts the most.
In the Sopranos Book it says that Sylvio is the consiglieri to Tony
while he is the Acting Boss.
It makes sense, Tony and Sylvio have been friends for a long time.